Speculation on a Yanks/Rangers trade
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 2, 2008 10:06 AM CST
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WasWatching has a blog post up, contemplating the possibility of a Philip Hughes for Jarrod Saltalamacchia trade...
I'd be all about that, and WW would like to see the Yanks make that deal. I think it would make some sense, with each team swapping a guy for whom there have been high hopes but who have been somewhat disappointing so far, and each getting a player who fills a need.
Of course, the first user comment may be the highlight of the link, as some clown proclaims Salty a bust who is a backup catcher, while saying the Rangers lack pitching in the minors...
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wow theres some clueless guys, not much minor league depth? ian kennedy for hamilton??
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by rentz on Nov 2, 2008 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Was Ian Kennedy for Hambone floated last season before Cincy zeroed in on Volquez?
I don’t remember, but it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility.
Kennedy was the overrated prospect of the moment last winter.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get that done!
To bad the Yanks wouldn’t go for it.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 2, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
philip hughes for salty
I’d throw in CJ if that helped. He is a guy that might have pretty good value to them.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 2, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice..
if somehow the rangers could come out of this off season with hughes for Salty and somehow Bailey for Laird. Very nice!!
2010 Rangers = 2008 Rays?
by booyahcaveman on Nov 2, 2008 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or Tea for Buchholz
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 2, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden
See im in the camp where I wouldnt trade Teagarden unless someone just blew us away like David Price or Clayton Kershaw (not going to happen, just trying to make my point on how highly I value Teagarden). I think that Teagarden has mutliple gold glove level defensive abilities along with with the potential to hit 25 HRs playing his home games in Arlington. That being said Buchholz would be tough to turn down, but I would personally.
2010 Rangers = 2008 Rays?
by booyahcaveman on Nov 2, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have
Buchholz over Bailey because I think he will be the better pitcher. If Boston would do a Tea for Buchholz straight up I do it in a heart beat because the Rangers could get by with a marginal catcher but they long for a top of the rotation pitcher. See TB Navaro is nothing special but they have very good young pitching.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 2, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buchholz was right there with Kershaw and Price
before this past season as one of those guys that you couldn’t imagine ever getting in a trade. I wouldn’t let one struggling season turn me off on wanting him here.
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by Gdawg on Nov 2, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't see this going down.
Hughes has more value than this, I think.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dirk,
Who has more value in your opinion, Buch or Hughes?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 2, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're pretty close, imo.
But if I had to choose one I’d pick Hughes. Two years younger, better control, never broke into a middle school and stole a bunch of computers.
That said, I’d still love to get my grubby little hands on Buchh.
I just like Hughes a little better.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't Hughes
The one with the injury history already?
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by lonestarJon on Nov 3, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird injuries
not persistent arm problems.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 3, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buchholz
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 2, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No question.
Meaning of life? The aggregate collection of moments that you allow to enter into your consciousness, imo, fwiw, etc. (etc.)
by Chase Irwin on Nov 2, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’d lean toward Buch myself.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 2, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buch
easy, I’d still go Tea+for Buch
by groundingout on Nov 2, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
That first comment is saying that the Yankees have depth at catcher but not very much minor league pitching depth, not the Rangers.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that happening
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by t ball on Nov 2, 2008 10:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hughes
One scouts take of him this AFL
“He’s not an ace for me, more of a three/four guy,” another scout told me as we were discussing Hughes after his second start at the AFL. Based on what I saw, I had to concur; however, considering he made just 14 starts this season due to injury and is still just 22, I can give him a little benefit of the doubt. He’s been hitting 88-91 mph on the gun, touching 92 once, with good sink. His low-70s curve remains an out pitch, as it’s a plus offering with nice depth. However, he’s tucked his slider into his back pocket, and he’s not using his below-average change much down here, probably because he can get by with just fastball/curve and is working more on command and control. Hughes has touched 95-96 in the past with his four-seamer, and it’s possible there is some more velocity down the road, but I’m not counting on it. Given the durability questions that have overshadowed his career thus far, I could make a case for drafting any of the other pitchers I listed above before taking a chance on Hughes for next season. However, I will wait to make that judgment after seeing his progress for the rest of the AFL and how he looks in spring training.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 2, 2008 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And another Bucholz/Hughes nugget
Clay Buchholz continues to look outstanding, allowing just three baserunners over eight innings thus far, with seven strikeouts, while touching 96 mph with his fastball. I expect a nice rebound season out of him next year. Phil Hughes went in the opposite direction in his most recent outing, giving up seven runs and failing to get out of the third inning. He has had problems with fastball command, and, to a lesser extent, control of his curveball, issuing eight walks in 12 2/3 innings thus far.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 2, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok........
Assuming that all the other teams would do these deals (a stretch) and our options are:
Laird to CIN for Bailey
Teagarden to BOS for Bucholz
Salty to NYY for Hughes
Which of these do you do?
by CS3 on Nov 2, 2008 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't do T-Tea for C-Buc?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All
And roll with Max as the catcher.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 2, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I really like the thought of Teagarden as our catcher moving forward, but if Buchholz is on the table, you grab him and don’t think twice. In fact, I wouldn’t think twice on any of those deals, and I don’t think any of those deals would be available.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 2, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
think of a future rotation of: Bucholz, Feliz, Holland, Hughes, and Bailey.
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by hinduplaya on Nov 2, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Main?
I’d choose Main over Bailey.
I would do Bailey in a deal for Laird. I’d hope Bailey significantly increases is trade value and then trade him once Main is ready.
by Coolbean04 on Nov 2, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
Feliz would close and roll with a rotation of Buchholz, Holland, Main, Hughes, Bailey. For the record, I do think Feliz should be a starter though.
It all depends on how they perform. I doubt all 6 of those guys reach what we hope they would be.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 2, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why you would do that
Of those 6, Bailey probably is the bottom of the group. You’d want him in the pen, not Feliz.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 2, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, it depends...
on how they perform and how those secondary pitches come along for Feliz. There are some that already think he will end up in the ’pen.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 2, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's almost too much hope with that rotation.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 2, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HELL YEH
Can you imagine acquiring all that pitching talent and still having a reasonable catching alternative left?
Hello WIN column!!!
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by LAMuscleFag on Nov 2, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i was thinking...im fine with Max if it nets us three top 3 overall (pitching) prospects from 07 and 08
by slash on Nov 2, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
think about it didn't BA have hughes and bailey as the #1-2 prospects of '07(behind dice-k) and Buch was a top 3 prospect of '08
regardless of where they stand now, that’s 3 potential aces and chances are one of them is gonna hit…….and in doing all of this WE DIDNT GIVE UP FELIZ OR HOLLAND, or any of our big prospects besides TT…..and don’t forget MaxRam had the best year out of all our catchers and he proved he could catch in the big leagues…this would give us about 8 potential aces in our farm system, who all have a chance of making it to the show by ’10….if we get lucky, we could have 3-4 aces in our rotation come ’11
by slash on Nov 2, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
three slam dunks
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 2, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A better question
would be if you could only do one which would you do.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 2, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#3...
Buchholz is the best pitcher of the 3, but I keep TT if I can get Hughes for Salty.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 2, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aren't #1 and #3 no brainers?
I can see why someone may hesitate on #2 (though I’d bite). And going with all leaves us with one catcher who we aren’t sure can catch. But are there any arguments why you wouldn’t do #1 and/or #3
by JBImaknee on Nov 2, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1 and 2
Laird has to go and Bailey is a good risk/reward guy. Laird will either bring in a questionable guy with a great ceiling or a decent role player (think solid RP or a back of the rotation starter). I’d rather go with the upside.
You have to do deal number 2. Buchholz is amazing and doesn’t have Hughes’ injury problems.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 2, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even a little.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably homer of me
(no pun intended), but I could see each player being the principal part of their side of the deal, with some inferior extras to get it done…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 2, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for what it's worth
I think none are remotely realistic even under that premise. Would love to be proven wrong of course, but if they were realistic, why don’t we do any of them? I think we’d be crazy not to.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 2, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees wouldn't know a solid farm system if it bit them in the rear.
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by ghtd36 on Nov 2, 2008 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
uhh, what?
do some research before making a comment like that.
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
by Longhorn on Nov 2, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I did.
Now that Joba is out of their farm system, they have Kennedy and Hughes. I wouldn’t oppose someone throwing names like Humberto Sanchez and Austin Jackson in there, but I think it’s a stretch to say that the Yankees’ farm system is “solid.” Do they have some talent down there? Sure. But solid, to me, means that they have a good amount of legit talent throughout their farm system. I don’t see that.
Still mad about last night?
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Nov 2, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
their core of the team
their core during all the playoffs/WS runs came from their farm system.
So, again, i have no idea why you would say that they ’wouldn’t know a solid farm system’…
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
by Longhorn on Nov 2, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means more their current farm system isn't very strong...
whoopie, the Yanks farm system was strong 10+ years ago, what relevance does that have on the Yankees since they called all those players up 10+ years ago.
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by rangers85 on Nov 2, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
That is what I was getting at. Present/future, not past.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Nov 2, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you said
The Yankees wouldn’t know a solid farm system if it bit them in the rear.
that sure seems like you meant historically. But, even if you were talking about recently, you would be dead wrong.
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
by Longhorn on Nov 2, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter, Posada, Wang, Joba, Melky Cabrera, Cano, Rivera.
Those are the only homegrown players on the Yankees that have made a real impact that I can find. And you can make an argument that Posada, Jeter and Rivera are products of that past generation as opposed to this one.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Nov 2, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who said 10+ years?
they made the playoffs just last year.
And, what’s wrong with the current farm system or their current team…
Most of their roster is filled with pretty good homegrown talent. They have a great builpen, a few pretty good starters and some solid everyday players that came from their, well, i guess not so solid farm system…
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
by Longhorn on Nov 2, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you it ranks as one of the better farm systems again this spring.
I think it was 6th in Baseball Prospectus last year.
by philkid3 on Nov 2, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be upper half
but I’m not sure that it will be as high as six again. Joba promoting was big from a ranking standpoint, they traded a couple of guys (Tabata), and they didn’t get their first rounder signed.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 3, 2008 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd deal Salty for Hughes in a heartbeat.
Id actually do all three of the trades suggested above if they were on the table. While I’d hate to lose a native Texan in TT, all three of those deals would greatly improve the rotation. And I’m a big believer in MaxRam.
by .:The Prodigy:. on Nov 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a ridiculous suggestion
…but hey, if there really were Hughes blood in the water, go get him Daniels.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 2, 2008 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If this deal actually happens, then
1.5 years of Teixeira + .5 of Mahay = Andrus, Hughes, Jones, Feliz, Harrison.
by chrisR on Nov 2, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We aren't getting Hughes for Salty.
AJM, are you really believing this pipe-dream now?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Nov 2, 2008 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But it's a rumor on the interwebs!
That means it’s true!
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Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Just saw it and figured I’d link it. Not like there’s much else to talk about right now.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 3, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I imagine Teagarden is more coveted anyways?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Nov 3, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't those Yankees
kinda overvalue many of their better prospects?
by jonthefon on Nov 3, 2008 3:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not kinda,
they highly over value their prospects.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Nov 3, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Their GM might
but the owners sound like they’re pretty intent on doing what they have to to win next season. And Hank will probably be a little emboldened by the fact that Cashman whispered sweet nothings in his ear on Hughes and Kennedy, he bought in, and it didn’t exactly work out in the short term. It will be a very interesting offseason for them.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 3, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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