Thursday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 8:26 AM CST
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BTB says that the D-Rays should trade Scott Kazmir, and goes through a few possible trade partners, with the Rangers (who, the author suggests, could part with Josh Hamilton to land Kazmir) mentioned.
John Dewan looks at Michael Young's gold glove award, and concludes it wasn't a good selection. Dewan notes that the stats reveal that Young has problems on balls to his left (which isn't surprising to anyone who has watched the number of 17 hoppers that have gone through the hole between SS and the second base bag the past few years), but also says his throwing, which is usually the thing that Young defenders point to as a strength, was a problem last year.
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I think you mean
The Rays. I still do it too.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
MY has problems going to his left?
Do tell.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
Dewan
All due respect to John — and of course my feelings on the subject are probably going to be discounted because I’m biased — think maybe he should have considered Young’s broken finger when taking a shot at his throwing in 2008?
I’m not here to suggest MY should be the league’s Gold Glove shortstop, but to criticize his throwing in 2008 is suggestive of someone who doesn’t watch him play, and either wasn’t aware of his injury or ignored it for some reason.
Well...
1. So was Tony Romo, but are you complaining about the couple balls that floated out on him Sunday night?
2. Are you concerned about Young’s throwing?
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 20, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
I believe
That if someone suits up, his performance should be judged without respect to any mitigating circumstances. It’s just not fair to the player.
Yes, I was complaining about the flutter balls by Romo on Sunday. If he keeps doing that, I wouldn’t be in favor of honoring him with a Pro Bowl appearance or any other award.
And I’m not terribly concerned about Young’s throwing, but I certainly wouldn’t say that he’s among the best in the league.
by brettgardner on Nov 20, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
To evaluate someone's performance
without taking mitigating circumstances into consideration is to have an incomplete and/or inaccurate evaluation.
Let’s say a pitcher throws poorly for an entire season because of an undiagnosed injury, illness or mechanical problem. The Rangers then decide he sucks, trade him for next to nothing. His new team fixes the problem (or treats illness or injury) and the player becomes a solid contributor. You take everything into consideration when evaluating a player.
Obviously, you are talking mostly about an award scenario, but Jamey did not say that Young should get the award because he had a broken finger, just that it should be considered when evaluating the players’ skills related to that injury.
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We’re not really talking about the same issue. You’re talking about a player evaluation and I’m talking about a performance evaluation. They’re not mutually inclusive.
by brettgardner on Nov 20, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
that Young’s performance in 2008 does not deserve an award. But it would certainly be dangerous to assume he has throwing problems but not take his broken finger into consideration. Obviously, performance evaluation is a big part of player evaluation. And I realize you were speaking primarily about the GG issue, but it’s a slippery slope and I’m playing the alarmist here because I’m bored and procrastinating work.
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???
I have watched/read all the performance and player evaluations of my the ss for awhile_i regret I have not had the opportunity to actually watch him play the position—based on when I DID see him play(at 2nd base) the idea he does not make plays to his left seems a little strange. We all get old, i guess, but is this the true perception of my the ss in today’s world? And I have some difficulty understanding why performance and player evaluation are not mutually inclusive
Because
Performance evaluation occurs in a vacuum. Player evaluation, by which I assume t ball meant evaluation with regards to future decisions, exists in a world of context.
by brettgardner on Nov 20, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
You don't think
in reviewing MY as the 2008 Gold Glove winner, it was appropriate to point out he didn’t throw the ball well in 2008? Even if the broken finger caused it, it still points out the idiocy of voting him as the Gold Glove winner for 2008.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
Of course it is.
And it’s disingenuous to point that out without noting why.
If Mat McBriar were rushed back in December to punt for the season’s final month, and his average dipped to five yards short of where it was in 2007, I suspect the stories noting his dropoff would probably mention he was returning from a broken foot.
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 20, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
And if he wins the Golden Foot award (which I made up).
It won’t matter whether or not it’s because of an injury, it will still be stupid. The injury may be the reason but the reason is unimportant in that case.
Your point about the broken finger reminda me...
…of one of the most frustrating things about him this season. He should have rested it (and possibly even gone on the DL) and let it heal rather than subject his team to below average (even by his standards) play for much of the year.
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
RemindS me... RemindS me...
…this stupid cut on my stupid finger is making my stupid typing more stupid than usual.
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
You should go on the DL
and rest that finger so you can come back at 100%.
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-The Outlaw
LOL! I wish I could...
…I’ve been sick all week with some sort of flu-like bug I can’t shake.
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
heh
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
That's sarcasm, right?
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
not at all
if you watched the games, it was obvious Young and Kinsler had no business playing baseball. They both looked sick as a dog.
So were they the only infielders...
…who got sick this year? I mean, are you really saying we should handpick certain poor performances and throw them out because they were feeling a little ill or had a slight injury? I would think that over a six month season just about every player played a few days (or more) at less than 100% health.
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
the author
made a statement about the 15 misplays due to throwing, but doesn’t mention any of the mitigating circumstances. I did. Make of it as you will.
Since you're letting me "make of it as [I] will"...
…I’ll make it into another MY apologist justifying the inordinate amount of love he receives from the Ranger fandom at large.
At the risk of repeating myself I would just like to say that every defender’s stats would look better if they could throw out the days they didn’t feel 100%.
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You must not go to many games...
…because the stands are full of #10 jerseys and assorted other sheep who leap to their feet with every MY single that gets stroked at RBiA.
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And you also
must not visit any other fan forums besides this one, and you’ve certainly never been over at the DMN blog.
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And I also
MUST be a MY apologist because I don’t believe he has a throwing issue and don’t jump on the dog pile.
Actually I think the tide has turned
Young was underrated, then overrated, and the fan love was a little behind the curve in both instances. Now the fan curve has caught up a bit. But the bloggers at any of these sites are hardcore fans, the casual people in the majority still think he’s great.
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it was a weird situation
we didn’t have enough backup infielders and people had to play hurt/sick.
it doesnt’ happen a lot
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Also, I think
he he broke a nail one game in July before he made an error.
That might have been significant.
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"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
D-Rays?
Don’t let Joe Maddon fool you, the oganziation as a whole is actually pretty smart.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Oh to think,
we could have had Kazmir, but we took Drew Meyer instead.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
Heh
Just a little. I’m a huge Kaz fan, but he’s not worth The Ham. If they wanted Ham back, I’d want Shields or Price in return if I was even going to consider it.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Not Kaz, but Shields?
You’ll have to explain that one.
Price, sure.
Bring up Matt West '09
by inactive lsb user on Nov 20, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Shields is pretty damn good
At least he was this year. 18th in the MLB in tRA+ – better than Cole Hamels, Johan Santana, Chad Billingsly, and John Lester to name a few. Kaz was way down at # 67.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Er, make that tRA* actually
This damn scoreboard is so frigging confusing.
He’s 23rd in tRA+ (still ahead of Santana and Lester). Kazmir was… too further down on the list for me to feel like counting that far, but he was still a good ways behind.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Fair enough
just be wary of depending on a single metric for a single year.
I know Shields is good, but I don’t know if he will match Kazmir going forward. Bill James has Shields showing a FIP improvement and a K/9 improvement over last year, which is awesome.
Kazmir had a weird year, though. His BABIP was a career low .275, but he had his worst year according to FIP (4.37).
Bill James and Marcel both project a correction for Kazmir. HR rate spike should be an aberration, imo. Career HR/9: .90, but 2008 HR/9: 1.36.
Bring up Matt West '09
by inactive lsb user on Nov 20, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
From what I heard
Kaz’s problem was his elbow injury preventing him from snapping his lider of like he used to. Or at least that’s what Ken Rosenthal wouldn’t shut up about during the world series anyway. Hopefully he’ll be back to normal this year, but with his history you really have to wonder.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Makes you wonder
if snapping that slider caused or will continue to cause elbow problems.
Bring up Matt West '09
by inactive lsb user on Nov 20, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Kazmir's increased HR rate
was because he allowed a lot more flyballs. the three years prior to last year he allowed 38, 39, and 41% flyballs. Last year that percentage was 49. More balls left the yard, because he allowed more balls to be hit in the air.
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Because of the elbow injury
he couldn’t snap his slider off, which is why he was pitching up in the zone more often because his flyball percentage suggests that because why the F else would Scott Kazmir pitch up in the zone, god dammit?
Bring up Matt West '09
by inactive lsb user on Nov 20, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Just a little
Thumbnail analysis is Kaz has one 200 IP season, and his age suggests the best is yet to come ability-wise.
He get knocked for his health.
But a young, lefthanded strikeout pitcher who’s never been challenged. I mean he’s not even 25.
Hamilton’s probably a corner outfielder, albeit a solid one defensively, in the next few months for the rest of his career. He’s injury-prone himself.
I wouldn’t burn down the ballpark if that one-for-one happened.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be pissed
Why trade a cheaper, under control for longer Volquez for Hammy and then move Hammy for Kaz. Eff that
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
Interesting perspective
You wouldn’t move Volquez, the older pitcher, for Kazmir?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
how about we trade hamilton for kaz.
and sign dunn, move MY to 3rd, promote Andrus and Borbon, trade 2 of our catchers.
Beastly!!!
Jindal '12
If we trade Hamilton...
To the Rays I would want Price + a couple A or AA prospects.
I don't want Dunn, and I think Andrus and Borbon could both use some AAA seasoning.
If you got Dunn, LH, would you DH him or play him the field?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
No
Kaz has more injury questions and is more expensive. Gimme Volq
I’d rather have Hammy than either, I love what he does every day in that lineup and on the basepaths… plus I think there’s still room for improvement from him
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
$
The money is what keeps it from being an even trade. I love me some Kazmir, but I have no interest in flipping Pre-Arb Hamilton for Scott’s escalating contract ($6MM, $8MM, $12MM, $13.5MM Club option).
Even if they had similar contracts I doubt I would do it.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
Yup.
No way am I trading Hambone for Kazmir.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
What are your reasons, though? I don’t really know where I fall on this.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I've never been a real big fan of Kaz, for one.
He’s always been a cliff dweller to me. A guy who lives very high up, but who’s perch is rather precarious. He lets a ton of guy on base and relies on the strikeout to get out of jams. That’s worked for him up to this point in his career, but what about when he starts getting into his upper 20’s and the wear and tear on his arm causes his stuff to slip just a little? I think he’s a good candidate to fall completely off the table one of these years. Was this year the beginning of that? I don’t know.
And, two, if you’re gonna trade Hambone for Kazmir now, why the hell did we trade Volquez for Hambone last winter?
The third reason is Hamilton himself. The guy is an everyday player at a premium position who is an absolute beast, and he’s a great story who generates real honest to goodness fan interest. Plus he’s cheap.
There are very few players I would trade Hambone straight up for, and Kazmir ain’t on that list. OTTOMH: Lincecum, Poo Holes, Hanley, Sizemore, and… that might be it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Grady, not Tom.
And, yah.
The defense and the much greater track record of health make the difference, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Kazmir
Career WHIP in 723 IP: 1.37.
Hamilton’s probably a left-fielder in 2009, y’know. Borbon’s D seems to be enough to displace him whether he’s healthy enough to stick in center.
I’m pretty much devil’s advocate, but Kaz’s numbers taken alone suggest he’s got plenty left.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Kaz's BB/9 has been steadily rising.
He’s wild but survives cause his stuff is butt nasty and gets a lot of dumb swings on stuff outside the zone. When his stuff ticked down a bit this season (because of injury, supposedly) he had a ton of problems. His HR increased. His BB rate went up. His k rate went down. Bottom line, I just don’t trust him. I don’t think he’s the kind of guy who can succeed with a k/9 below 9 and I think that’s where he’s heading pretty soon. I know there’s a good possibility I’m wrong and he’ll continue to dominate for a long long time, but I’m not willing to bet our best player on it.
And I realize Hambone will prolly move for Borbon, but that’s okay. He’ll be a true plus as a COF, imo. An OF of (from L-R) Hambone-Borbon-Cruz would be the best OF in the bigs I would think. Certainly it’d be up there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
4 more years of hammy?
I thought it was still 5 since he missed so much time last year.
the preceding post was a great success.
No
He’s got exactly 2 years of major league service time…all of last year and all of 2007.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
woops
thinking about it I guess it was all DL time and never a day of it in the minor leagues (rule V and all) and that doesnt detract so…… yeah. got it.
Well.. still a long itme =)
the preceding post was a great success.
although..
i dont suppose it would go over real well if we left him in the minors for the first couple days of the season, eh?
the preceding post was a great success.
There might be a grievance filed...
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
You can't do that
If a player is in the minors for less than 2 weeks at the beginning of the season (or something like that amount of time), and then is called up and spends all season on the roster, he is credited with a full season of service time.
That’s done to prevent that sort of monkeying with the roster.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Overkill, Adam.
Pretty please, with freakin’ sugar on top, can you just let the MY Gold Glove issue die?
I mean, whether you agree with the award or not, the guy is still on the team that you root for. So can’t we here at a Rangers blog, at least, let it go at some point?
Personally
I felt that MY winning the gold glove was a slap in the face to Rangers fans myself, because now anyone who actually knows anything about gold gloves and defense is laughing at us. So I for one, will not really ever let that travesty go. I don’t really want to talk about it, but I’m not going to let it go anytime soon either.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
So you personify
According to the Rangers’ reputation? Sorry to hear that, and don’t understand it. Does ragging on a player who gets accolates in spite of his calculated failings make you feel better? Smarter? More worthwhile? Grief, let baseball be what it is … a venue for entertainment, and acknowledge your team’s shortfalls but never take fan or analyst disregard personally. People who have issues with MY receiving honors need to check their own level of contribution to society.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 20, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
whoooahhh sorry Jonny you've just been....
Coffined. I’m with you Ed, is Mike Young perfect? No?
Should he have won the gold glove? Probably not.
Is he a Ranger who’s paid his dues for 8 long hellish years and deserves respect? Yes
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by LAMuscleFag on Nov 20, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Ouch
Ripped by the Coff himself. That hurts.
All I’ll say is, perhaps I do take my entertainment a bit seriously – but I just don’t like seeing players like Jeter and Young get accolades that inflate their reputation and therefore ensure their prolonged presence at a position they really have no business playing. It hurts the team in the long run, and I don’t like seeing my team hurt. It also makes my team no better than the stinking Yankees in the respect that we’ll run a “franchise face” out at shortstop for no other reason than the fact that he’s said “franchise face”. I don’t like that feeling either.
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Fair enough
It was overly personal, and wasn’t meant to be personal. It was more on the order of a general observation, for all detractors, and you aren’t by far the biggest detractor. As previously and clearly said, I endorse Adam’s suggestion that MY should be moved to 3B, where his skill at playing what’s hit to him and his normally good arm should play well. I wouldn’t insist that he be a fixture at SS, a defensively critical position. And even that disregards the fact that he makes exceptional plays (occasionally) and has few peers at turning double plays. Those occasions are lost in the overal aggregation of his numbers. Of course “all” shortstops can and do make exceptional plays in MLB, so that’s not praising him or setting him apart.
His winning a golf glove is just another accomplishment, merit or not, much like his AllStar MVP and perinnial selection to the AL AllStar team. Acute analysis would deprive him and the Rangers those notices and honors, but to my way of thinking the add to the Rangers’ being noticed, contribute toward their being respected (by many if not most fans), and add something to the appeal of seeing them play.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 20, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I won a golf glove once...
…at a charity golf tournament raffle.
Just kidding. See above for my contributions to society’s typos today.
I’m just glad to see we can all be friends while we disagree.
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Heh
Good catch. Gold is better than golf (and I love golf). If you run short, I’ve got four or five MasterGrip samples and a couple of Titleist (all white), give me a yell. Yes, we can have different opinions without totall disagreement … that’s a good “thang”.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 20, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree...
…It’s a Ranger-related piece on a pretty well respected website. It’s exactly the kind of link we should be expecting from a blog like this one.
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
On a slow news day...
…when I see an article written by one of the more respected analysts vis-a-vis fielding about a Ranger player, I should ignore it?
Or I should ignore it if it is about Michael Young, but link it if it is about someone else?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
fire away
but I will repeat that I am puzzled about “to his left”——I perceived-yes-perceived—that when he was at 2nd base moving to his left was a strength, not a weakness. Again, to repeat, I have not watched him play the ss position. Again, part 26, older age could have something to do with this perceived “lack of”, but has he “cheated” to the left? No one seems to talk about position prior to whomever is pitching—how does this work?
You haven't seen MY play defense
since he was playing 2B? Where have you been?
You have definitely missed MY not having enough range to get alot of balls hit up the middle…..
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 20, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
since you asked
I live 8 time zones and a few thousand miles away, and your answer is not quite why I was puzzled—if his range to his left his diminished, why doesn’t he cheat? Or if he DOES cheat, why is this not noted? If you want want to answer the questions without emtion, please do so.
Well that's certainly a valid reason
I’m not sure I can answer your question about the cheating…with or without emotion (such a strange reply btw).
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 20, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
The reason I can't really answer that question
is unless you are at the game, you don’t always see where he lines up since they don’t show the defensive alignment prior to each pitch.
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 20, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
you've identified the weakness
in using the stat in his argument. It doesn’t account for where he is positioned.
I can tell you...
…from watching him, it doesn’t look like he can go to his left to save his life.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
old age?
save his life? position? he DID go to his left well when he was a second baseman. Position, I assume , changes with each batter-or should-and age, of course. And measurement becomes …difficult
I'm just saying that the issue has been covered to death at this point.
Do we really need to see yet another article on the same tired issue?
I understand linking any Rangers related news on a slow day, it’s just that this subject has been covered and covered and covered again. At some point it ceases to be a discussion and just turns into piling on. I think we’ve passed that point. Obviously, this is your blog and you should run it however you’d like. As a loyal reader and friend for many years now, I’m just suggesting that the coverage of this particular topic has gone far enough. Just my opinion.
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There's not a whole lot of Rangers news these days.
I support AJM linking to all of them.
If it’s about MY’s Gold Glove, whatever. If you don’t care, ignore it.
I second that emotion...
…not sure why, just seems like the snarky thing to do.
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by Chad Crudup on Nov 20, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
in that case
I don’t want no part. (I do believe that) that would only break my heart.
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by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
cheating plus pitchers plus batters
He would likely “cheat” depending on the batter(lh or rh-we’ll assume rh since you are talking about ground balls hit up the middle)—the degree of cheating would depend on the ranger pitcher—lh/rh/type of pitch—and yes, you are correct, you do NOT see the defensive alignment prior to each pitch and perhaps(I honestly don’t know) if this alignment is measured in some way.
from the Rays' article...
with the glut of outfielders in Texas (Byrd, Cruz, Boggs, Murphy), they can certainly give one up for a pitcher, right?
Am I to understand that Cruz+ or Murphy+ could land Kazmir? If so, sign me up as long as the plus isn’t a member of (dare I say it?) “the Strike Team”.
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a glut of averageness
I really don’t think you could get Kaz for Cruz/Murphy+
It’d have to be Hamilton and that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the Rangers IMO.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 20, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
didn't think so...
just clarifying. Count me out on Hambone.
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by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
No.
But I’m sure the Rangers could get some other lesser quality pitching for Nelson Cruz. He’s pretty much exactly what the Rays need: right field power bat with defensive talent and cheap. Of course, there’s no guarantee he turns into a good MLB hitter, but I like his chances based on MLEs.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Lesser like my personal man crush, Andy Sonnanstine???
Cause’ I’d sell my mother into slavery to get my grubby little mitts on that guy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
If the Rangers...
are dealing Hamilton to the Rays I want Price. No dice on Hamilton for Kazmir.
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Am I the only one who'd seriously consider Big Hammy for Kazmir?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
Maybe
I’m with dirkie on this, I think Kazmir is a candidate for injury and may have already peaked. I don’t want to give up Hamilton for anyone I’m less than 100% confident will be an ace.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Hammy's future is far from wart-free itself...
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 24, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefuly you are.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
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