LSB Community Prospect Project: #3
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 1:20 PM CST
Email
Print2 down, a lot more to go.
After 271 votes, Neftali Feliz has won the right to be called the LSB Community #2 prospect!
That was about as one sided as I think I've ever seen one of these.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland.
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
Time to move on to the next vote.
This one should be a little more tightly contested.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
122 comments
|
9 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Smoak
i’ll figure this site out eventually, promise.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Nov 20, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Smoak
then Andrus, Main, Max and Beltre for me. Still a big believer in Beltre.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Smoak, Main, Max, TT, Perez, Andrus
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 20, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like fourth for Main...
which is fine by me because our system is the shit. I don’t know if y’all know this, but we got a decent farm club.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
+Rec
Smoak ’em if you got ’em, gents & ladies.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
yay
I get to be one of the popular kids now! I knew if I waited long enough the world would catch up to me and Smoak would be #1 (in the poll for #3)
Smoak
I think this guy is can’t miss.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Yup
Weird, how we vote for two pitchers that could be great but might just be OK yet Smoak, who is pretty much a given to succeed, falls to #3. Don’t get me wrong, I too voted for Nefti and Holland at 1 and 2, but why? I know the answer – our pitching sucks – but still, a baseball player’s a baseball player. Guy might not be in the lineup except for 1 in 5 games.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
Why
Because great hitters are relatively common compared to great pitchers. Its far more likely Smoak realizes his potential than Main, Feliz, and Holland combined. But any of those three hitting their potential will be far more valuable than Smoak hitting his. You really only get about one pitcher a year in MLB gaining the “Ace” label. There are always a half dozen or so hitters who get that.
I don’t think this is just because our team can’t pitch – I think its just that great pitching is a rare thing. Of course that rarity means that the odds that any of these kids gains that level are very small. But unlike any Rangers prospects who I can remember (other than maybe Volquez), these guys all have the potential to get to that level. Just having guys at this point is a rare thing, having hitters like Smoak in the minors isn’t.
I think it is very hard to compare hitters and pitchers for this reason. But I value “great pitcher potential” very highly, especially once they have shown it at multiple levels in the system.
third time's a charm
A vote for Smoak is a vote for a really good first base prospect within our organization.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
Obviousville called
They want to know what time you’ll be home…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 20, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
it was...
intentionally obvious.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
OK. I give up.
Why?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 20, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
for the sole purpose
of entertaining you BT.
Mission Accomplished!
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Cyber high five?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
indeed!
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Joining the Smoak bandwagon
Despite the small sample size, Smoak’s AFL performance has eliminated the one small concern that I had about the guy – namely, can he hit with a wooden bat against very good pitching?
If he had a few more at-bats, then he would rank 4th in the AFL in OBP, 11th in BA, and 13th in OPS. His offensive numbers are superior to the AFL numbers of Wieters, Austin Jackson, Blanks, Halman, Arencibia, Valaika, Mills, Doolittle, Wallace, Reddick, Arencibia, Cardenas, Trumbo, Triunfal, and de Jesus. The “prospect” with AFL numbers that are most similar to Smoak’s 370/482/565/1047 is Daniel Murphy (397/487/619/1106) who played 49 games for the Mets last year and batted 313/397/473/871 in the majors.
I like Main, but Smoak has perennial all-star written all over him.
Those numbers,
after a whole 56 freakin’ ABs in low A…Stunning!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I never doubted
that he would hit with a wooden bat. All you have to do is look at this swing. He really creates a whipping motion with the barrel. Loose wrists, until they stiffen up at contact. I just never imagined he would make THIS kind of splash.
by Michael Cave on Nov 20, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
The Smoak bandwagon =
the Smoakwagon.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Listen, mister,
I-I’m gettin’ awful tired of your—
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
im a fan of smoak
and voted for him as well
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
this is going to get interesting
smoak, andrus, main, max, perez….
then I’ll have to really start thinking about it.
Tough one...
but with the depth we have now in pitching- and of course you can’t have enough right? ;)- I think it’s more of a lock that Smoak is the all-star and it’s not like Smoak is lacking a ceiling either so that’s why I went with him.
by slimshadty12 on Nov 20, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I was so close to voting Main...
…but I’m a little more sold on Smoak.
My insticts all along have wanted me to tap the brakes on Smoak due to his inexperience in pro ball but I can’t fight it any longer. I’m a big believer in this guy.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
Smoak
Just the potential to be an All-Star first baseman who could win a GG or two in his career.
Just hope to see him in Frisco this year
In Smoak We Trust
I wouldn't have thought you would go Smoak here.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Upset of the year I'd say.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Harvey Dent's coin.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Smoak
Smoak and Main are both about scouting reports more than numbers.
That said, a polished college hitter has a better chance of impacting the bigs than a full-season A starter does at his position.
I might have to put Max ahead of Main too, actually.
Go Strangers.
I'm leaning towards Max at #4 too...
…just so much offensive goodness there.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
no you're not
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Smoak for me, too.
I’m a bit surprised Main isn’t making this closer given all the love he’s gotten of late.
But Main is not even in my top 5, so I can’t complain that he’s not getting enough votes here or anything.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
Yes.
Almost put Borbon ahead of him too. Felt like I should but then I kept thinking back to the Parks/MJH and the love train they ran on the guy after fall instructs.
Plus I figured that just because I hate Brian Thomas so so much still doesn’t mean that I should go out of my way to make his head explode or anything.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Borbon over Main?
Pfft.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 20, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Reallllyy?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Holland-Feliz-Smoak-Max-Andrus-Main-Borbon-Teagarden-Perez-Beavan
My top 10.
Not that any would/should care.
And I reserve the right to change that 5 minutes from now. The guy who’s really giving me the most trouble is Teagarden. Don’t know where the hell to rank him. He’s got pros and cons coming out of his butt hole and weighing them all gives me a headache. Putting him above Martin Perez seems silly, but so does putting him below Martin Perez. Bah! I’m gonna go lie down now…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Borbon ahead of
Main, Tea, Perez, yeah that’s head-bursting stuff. I don’t hate every letter in the word Borbon like Brian does, but I would shake my fist angrily if he was voted ahead of any of those.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I love where you have Borbon.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I wouldn't rank him there
but I’d sure love it if Borbon eventually justified that ranking.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Austin Jackson will be playin
college basketball in 3 years.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Nope.
You either grow up shopping at Golden Triangle, or you don’t.
Simple as that.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
That's right
I’m a better comp for Austin than Julio.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Dude
I feel bad you were raised in this stinkhole.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Denton isn't really a shit hole.
It’s just kind of… Meh.
It should be much better than it is, what with all the college kids around.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
I guess
I can share part of the blame then.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
No, it's not the college kids' fault.
It’s the city planners/officials.
I meant that any city with that many college students that isn’t really fun has had something go horribly wrong somewhere along the way.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely agree
Of course these are the same artards who didn’t plan for the 288 explosion. It’s pathetic that the new road won’t be finished until 2009. I moved here in 04 and that was my first reaction. “Why is this road one lane…”
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Yep
There was some type of water/sewer line they didn’t account for when the project started, set the road expansion back about 4 years.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
How much is supposed to be done in 2009?
Is it going to be completely done then?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
It's pretty close to being finished
Based on my untrained eye. The portion I’m referring to is the part that used to be one lane just past the mall, that leads to Best Buy/Target/Wal-Mart/Lowe/Home Depot
Freaking morons.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
I like the Borbon love
I don’t start voting for him until after the catchers and a few more of the pitchers go, but I think that he’s the best non-catcher position prospect in our system right now not named Smoak.
All those who were angry at JD for drafting him at thirty-freakin-five hold your heads in shame…
He might not be in mine, either.
I accidentally put him 4th yesterday but I meant 5th. And when it comes to then I might go Andrus, instead.
Smoakin in the boys room
Yes I went there.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Michael Main
however this choice is like steak or lobster. Neither choice is wrong, neither is necessarily right. Either way it seems like both of these guys (smoak and main) were born to play baseball.
Smoak
Knocked a AZFL homah today in honor of you voting for him.
Borbon hasn’t played since being removed in the 1st inning a few days ago.
If Jordan Danks tears up the high minors next season, will we be speculating
about the miniscule amount of extra money it woulda taken to sign him outta HS?
BTW, today’s the last day of the AZFL season. Pheonix and Mesa will play the
champeenship game Saturday.
jparks, you got Julio’s cell?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
shroomer is not jparks, silly.
JP’s horsehead is much preetier-ish than shroomer’s little fairy thingamajingle…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Context
I’m asking jparks via a reply to shroomer.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
shroom
jordan danks sent a letter to everyone saying he wouldnt sign out of HS and even then the white sox(?) took him
jordan danks is a guy that i think will do well in the minor leagues
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
So far...
88 people sitting in the Smoaking Section and 48 are out in the Main Lobby. Most of the others had to go TT.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 4:59 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Are we gonna go that long?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
He should be in the top 30
The guy is on the 40 man roster. I imagine JMJ would have gone in the low 20s; so GG should as well.
Don’t need to put him on the vote list for a while though
I'm up for making this a big one
Deepest and best farm system in baseball means the fans have to step up their games in a community prospect.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Ceiling
Depends if you’re voting for ceiling. Golson’s ceiling is higher than Vallejo’s and arguably higher than Borbon since he has some pop. It’s just the plate discipline that absolute dooms him.
Golson
Just updated my prospect rankings, and he sits at #25. That’s 7 slots higher than JMJ was, so it’s not that significant either way. The overall tools are just better.
Tron...
You are such a rec whore this time of year with these polls. There is nothing worse than looking up at the rec diaries and seeing nothing other than your ugly mug.
Smoak.
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Um, I think you mean, "Handsome Visage", but point taken.
Maybe at this time of year I should change my profile pick to something more prospecty.
I’ll see what I can do.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I kinda like your current one
You look like a crazy Josh Hamilton. What are you walking your dog there?
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Yes. Dog walking. Drunken.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
"Handsome Visage"...
That was my second choice of words to describe you. FWIW “Sexy Bitch” was a distant third.
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Took care of it, boss.
With awesome results.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 4:24 AM CST up reply actions
wow
so, I guess you’re still in NYC then right?
You must be the guy to go to for my wife’s x-mas present then. Cuz all I see are ugly totes with letters on the side but my wife tells me they are splendid.
I can send you a link to buy one of my handmade Derek Jeter bags.
They’re less than $1,000 each and each one is guaranteed to be as awesome as one-and-a-half jump throws.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well played...
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Oh yeah
This deserves a replay or two.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
I remember at the end of last season
everyone gave AJM crap for ranking Smoak so high….look who’s the man now!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
What are you talking about?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
Come on…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Yes, I'm totally serious.
What are you talking about?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 AM CST up reply actions
AJM
had him real high, like 3. And people gave him crap cause Smoak hadn’t played a game yet for the Rangers…looks like AJM was dead on.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
There were many here
who ranked him that high, not just Adam. I don’t recall anyone saying he wouldn’t rank near that high, just that they refused to vote for him until he signed.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Exactly...
I had him ranked 3rd as well. I do remember a couple LSBers that refused to put him that high only because he wasn’t signed. I don’t think anyone here ever doubted the talent Smoak has.
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
It wasn't because
he hadn’t played a game with the Rangers.
It’s that he wasn’t signed, and wasn’t even a Ranger.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
yeah
and all of it happened.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Link?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, awesome then.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 22, 2008 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
the only crap
I remember about ranking smoak was because he was unsigned and not a Ranger. Nothing to do with his tools.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Lone Star Ball
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
