Mayberry traded to Philadelphia
by coolaid on Nov 20, 2008 5:19 PM CST
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The Rangers traded John Mayberry Jr. to Philadelphia for outfielder Greg Golson. It's a swap of first-round picks. Mayberry was drafted in the first round in 2005 and Golson in 2004.
Golson spent last season in Double A and made his major league debut as a September call-up.
don't know anything about Golson. Anyone got a scouting report on him?
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[Note by coolaid, 11/20/08 5:19 PM CST ]
After looking at his stats, I am disappointed that we didn't get more for JMJ and maybe we should have given him one more year to develope, but this move really doesn't make much sense to me.
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He sucks
Like JMJ but younger and with less power.
I don’t like it.
Minors career: .265/.310/.406 716 OPS
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kinda sounds like
a younger Marlon Byrd. STATS
by shroomer on Nov 20, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was his home field pretty hitter friendly? Because his stats were considerably better at home.
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by tyd3311 on Nov 20, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You might not like it but...
…was JMJ going to do anything here? For every step foward he took he took 2 steps back it seemed like. JMO
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 20, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got that feeling too.
Though I’ll admit, I’m a little disappointed we didn’t give Mayberry one more year to straighten it out.
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by ghtd36 on Nov 20, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes he did
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by DJCahill on Nov 21, 2008 6:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#7 phillies prospect last year
7. Greg Golson, of Born: Sept. 17, 1985 • B-T: R-R • Ht: 6-0 • Wt: 190
Drafted: HS—Austin, 2004 (1st round) • Signed by: Steve Cohen
Greg GolsonBackground: The Phillies have preached patience with Golson since signing him for $1.475 million as the 21st overall pick in 2004. While he still has a long way to go before he’s a finished product, he took another step in the right direction in 2007. He finally reached Double-A in late July, and set career in hits, doubles, homers, RBIs and steals.
Strengths: Golson’s five-tool package makes him the system’s top athlete. His plus-plus speed stands out the most, as he can get from the right side of the plate to first base in less than 4.0 seconds. He also provides above-average raw power, center-field defense and arm strength.
Weaknesses: Golson’s ability to recognize pitches remains his biggest liability. He especially struggles with breaking balls, and tends to get tangled up thinking about what he should do at the plate rather than just seeing the ball and cutting loose. His 49-2 strikeout-walk ratio in Double-A is indicative of his problems, and he led the minors with 173 strikeouts.
The Future: Golson possesses the tools of a young Ron Gant, but he’ll need to show he can make consistent hard contact and take pitches if he’s going to move beyond Double-A. The Phillies think he can play a big league center field right now, and if everything clicks offensively, he could move extremely fast.
by laxtonto on Nov 20, 2008 5:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I went to high school with this guy
and played baseball with him. If he can put all his tools together, he could be a good major league player. Of course, you could say the same about JMJ.
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by HamiltontheBeast on Nov 20, 2008 5:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Then why aren't you
GolsontheBeast???
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I’ll get a second identity if he ever gets to Arlington.
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by HamiltontheBeast on Nov 20, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically
we traded JMJ for JMJ with less power but more speed? Weird.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 20, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He was born and went to High School in Austin
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Greg-Golson.shtml
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by Panorama on Nov 20, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Already on it
drank some MLB coffee in September
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by Lucas on Nov 20, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And THAT, ladies and gentlemen...
…is what makes Lucas awesome.
He pops in with turbo-efficiency, leaves you in awe of what he knows, then vanishes.
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by ghtd36 on Nov 20, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
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by tyd3311 on Nov 20, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What will the Frisco OF
be like next season? Considering Murphy, Gentry, Borbon and Golson will all be in OKC.
by shroomer on Nov 20, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Borbon will be in Arlington.
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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
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by tyd3311 on Nov 20, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unless an OF is traded
Boggs will probably also be in that okc mix.
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by tricer on Nov 20, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's just weird
Why trade JMJ for another outfielder who’s already on the 40? Maybe they just think this new feller is better.
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by trza on Nov 20, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to.
He was up in Sept for the Phils…unless he has been waived since then.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf
unexpected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
by mchang4 on Nov 20, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap!
rotoworld is FAST! Some notes:
Greg Golson-OF – Rangers Aug. 31 – 10:12 pm et
Phillies purchased the contract of outfielder Greg Golson from Double-A Reading.
The 22-year-old Golson had his most promising season since being drafted in the first round in 2004, but he still hit a rather mediocre .282/.333/.434 with 23 steals for Reading. The Phillies will use him primarily as a pinch-runner. It seems unlikely that he’ll get any starts.
Greg Golson-OF – Rangers Apr. 6 – 3:55 am et
Greg Golson had three hits, including a triple, and four stolen bases Saturday for Double-A Reading.
Golson still oozes tools, so the Phillies continue to keep their fingers crossed and hope that he’ll turn into a baseball player. The 2004 first-rounder hit .273/.305/.426 with a 173/23 K/BB ratio and 30 steals while spending most of last year at Single-A Clearwater
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any chance
Golson is “flippable?” Not by himself of course.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing.
Does he get packaged?
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by ghtd36 on Nov 20, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that was the plan...
why not package JMJ?
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Team looking for a CF?
Hmm….. Coco Crisp just got traded… I wonder if the Red Sox/Rangers can get together on anything :)
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 20, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...BT is
sooooo gonna hate this guy!
Move over, Borbon.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So
How fast is he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
by mchang4 on Nov 20, 2008 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He can turn out the lights and have his head on the pillow before it’s dark.
by shroomer on Nov 20, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Clap on, clap off...
The Clapper!
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Nov 20, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So can I
if I’m holding the pillow to my head when I hit the switch anyway.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 20, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re going to get hurt running around with the pillow against your head.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a big pillow
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 20, 2008 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hes no cool papa bell....
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU MEAN WE TRADED MAYBERRY FOR ANOTHER HITTER?!?
DOESN’T JD KNOW THAT THIS TEAM NEEDS PITCHING?!? WHAT AN IDIOT!!!! FIRE DANIELS! GET SOME PITCHING NOW! WHY AREN’T WE MAKING A PLAY FOR SABATHIA?!?
/steal home
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by ghtd36 on Nov 20, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hehehe
He’s soooooo fast …… he can run the ball from the mound to home plate, tease the batter with it, jerk it back, leave it with the catcher, and return to the mound before the umpire can see the batter seing. Will convert from OF to relief pitcher at some critical point in the pennant chase.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 20, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
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by LAMuscleFag on Nov 20, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Sickels
12) Greg Golson, OF, Grade C+: Most people will think this ranking is too low, but I still have serious doubts about his bat. Has made some progress but discipline remains dreadful.
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by nikpin on Nov 20, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hi
I’m Greg.
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by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 5:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gaah!
Rangers acquired outfielder Greg Golson from the Phillies for outfielder John Mayberry Jr.
We’re not all that surprised that the Rangers traded Mayberry when they’re facing a crunch for 40-man roster spots. However, Golson does nothing to alleviate it, as he’ll be placed on the roster after making his major league debut in September. Golson’s tools still impress and the Rangers are always looking for center field options, but there’s little reason to think he’d be able to handle more than a fifth outfielder’s role. He struck out 130 times in 106 games while hitting .281/.333/.434 in Double-A last season. He’s a far better athlete than he is a baseball player.
Rotoworld seems mighty impressed, eh?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good to me
a little challenge deal for both guys. I don’t think Mayberry was going anywhere in this organization, so why not flip him for the John Mayberry Jr. of the Phillies.
And JD really likes dealing with the Phils, doesn’t he?
by JBImaknee on Nov 20, 2008 5:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
True on both counts.
Change of scenery trade.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like its a deal for guys that might need a change of orginizations to get jump started
Texas gets the better defensive position at the lower lvl…
by laxtonto on Nov 20, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fast CFers are always
overvalued, remember? lol
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 20, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There goes our 19th best prospect...
(according LSB rankings from this past summer). I wonder where GG will fall.
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by Haeger Champ on Nov 20, 2008 5:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can I re-vote for No. 1?
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by ghtd36 on Nov 20, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So is this
Donald Harris take 2?
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by Ryin A on Nov 20, 2008 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Only
if he starts playing DB for the cowboys too ha
by Michael Cave on Nov 20, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rather him
than PacMan feevahhh
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Nov 20, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You take our scrub....
and we’ll take yours.
Everybody happy? Good!
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by LAMuscleFag on Nov 20, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Two prospects needing a change of scenary
In that case I’ll always go with the younger, more toolsy version, that can play a better defensive position. Daalmost aniels gets a solid B+ for this deal.
by TRanger on Nov 20, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
...crap what happened
The last sentence should have said… Daniels gets a solid B+ for this deal.
by TRanger on Nov 20, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
I like to get the guy who was voted “Most Exciting” (or w/e it was called) and has a cannon and can go get it over a mammoth 1b/dh/corner of
Let Rudy work his voodoo on the kid.
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by Ryin A on Nov 20, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just have to say
Rudy is the vodoo king… God i love that man. Just wish he could use his vodoo on the pitchers too.
by blalock84 on Nov 20, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold of on grading this one too soon.
But I agree that it is the type of move that JD does well at. I trust him with these types of deals.
I also like that he did something – it engenders confidence that he’s not gunshy. Making trades like this shows teams like Boston that JD is willing to make a deal if the deal is fair. And it continues to develop the Phillies – Rangers relationship. The Phils are a comparable NL team to the Rangers – similar size markets, similar style ballclubs. I like the fact that JD is developing relationships in the league like that.
by JBImaknee on Nov 20, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that helps to put to rest....
the not too wonderful 2005 1st round in which :
Mayberry was picked 19th
Matt Garza 25th
Buchholz 42nd
Sigh
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by LAMuscleFag on Nov 20, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He better not be
a Michael freaking Bourn.
by jonthefon on Nov 20, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the Phillies
turned Bourn into a very valuable player.
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by tricer on Nov 20, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something I experienced first-hand
in watching his 600ish OPS.
by jonthefon on Nov 20, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bourn
was a hoss on my fantasy team ;)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JMJ
was simply not getting it
meanwhile, golson took steps forward this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where did you decide that he was?
His Minor League numbers are just ugly. Especially his K numbers. I’ll take a guy who’s younger with more time to figure it out. JMJ is 25 and going nowhere near our ML OF.
by blalock84 on Nov 20, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he could be our righty platoon in a COF right now
u know how i know that? because he can hit lefties and is still young…
didn’t think 25 was old.
This all after just one year with his new overhauled swing.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 20, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
New overhauled swing?
He’s had like 1600 at bats in the minors and still he’s disappointing. He was good for two months in 2008, then slipped badly. Let him go. 25 is indeed old to be half assing your way through AAA.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 20, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I wrote this about him during his swoon: http://www.bbtia.com/home/2008/7/6/a-closer-look-at-junior-mayberry.html
by jparks77 on Nov 20, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you should now have a closer look at
Greg Golson.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 20, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's "half assing" now?
wow.
okay, no point in arguing now…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 20, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there were
some definite reports that he was “lazy” in the OF at times.
by blalock84 on Nov 20, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or
did you just make that up?
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 20, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
im way to lazy to go searching through every single thing written about JMJ from people that have seen him, but here’s what MJH has to say about JMJ and his effort…http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/breaking-down-the-mayberry-golson-trade.html
“His effort in right field (how do I say this?) often left a lot to be desired.”
and
“Perhaps someone in Philly will finally figure out how to fix Mayberry’s bat and get him to be a little more enthusiastic about baseball than he seemed to be when I saw him play”
i hope you’re satisfied
by blalock84 on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Half assing
I was referencing the results, not necessarily his attitude or work ethic. He’s too old to not be producing at a very high level in AAA. Golson is younger, more time to work things out. I fail to see any reason for Mayberry optimism at this point.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 20, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayberry was a big risk for a Jason Botts like experience
This organization has had far too many guys with flawed hitting approaches that do well in the minors and don’t do well in the majors. Botts. Cruz. I think JMJ was one of those (though to be fair, his hitting approach didn’t really do so well in the minors either).
Those guys are just headaches for an organization. You play them, they struggle. You bench them, you have crazy bloggers having fits because they’re not getting the opportunity they “deserve.” JD is smart to eliminate the aggravation before it sets in.
If you don’t think a player has the potential to be a major league contributor, you need to get rid of him for someone who has that potential. It isn’t surprising that the Rangers gave up hope on Mayberry – he just looked like a 4A player. I know you liked him, but keeping him around because he may be able to hit lefties in the bigs isn’t that strong an argument. Should have just kept Sosa then.
by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayberry not a AAAA
he wasn’t even a good AAA player yet, let’s not promote him to AAAA status yet.
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by tricer on Nov 21, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just trying to throw Longhorn a bone
I really agree with you. He’s the Drew Meyer of outfielders.
by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that settles it
Trade of the year!
by TRanger on Nov 20, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i also didn't like the mccarthy trade at the time
by Save us on Nov 20, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Did I
I guess we agree on something. That was a deal that really did seem dumb at the time with the whole lefty vs. righty issue. When everybody acts like both prospects are on a similar level of playing ability why trade the guy who throws from the left side when lefties historically play better at the Ballpark. Seemed goofy then and just flat out depressing now… but what you can’t get in your head is that Daniels has improved since then.
I just wonder how you can think something like this is dumb. I can understand not liking the deal but however you cut it the thinking behind the deal is solid. They both have similar problem issues but Golson is younger and more toolsy… so not only does he have a longer time to figure it out but he should have a much higher ceiling then Mayberry if they both do. Even if you think Mayberry is overall better of a prospect at least you should be able to understand the thinking behind the trade and why it’s not “dumb”.
by TRanger on Nov 21, 2008 6:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its "dumb"
because Mayberry was never given a shot to play in the majors and overall, Mayberry has much better stats than Golson even if he is only 2 years younger.
by Save us on Nov 21, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JMJ minor league stats:
.255 avg
.330 obp
.472 slg
802 ops
167 bb:420 k
1732 AB
golson:
.265 avg
.310 obp
.406 slg
716 ops
2102 ab
golson also plays better defense, plays CF, was named the “most exciting player” in his league – this was a swap of guys who needed a scenery change
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have our solution
teach mccarthy the cutter!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
I would rather have just kept JMJ and given him a full year at OKC. Not really impressed with this kid, but then JMJ wasn’t exactly tearing it up either. Oh well.
Beat those Cougs.
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by slc ranger on Nov 20, 2008 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who knew
the texasrangers.com was so damn quick at updating there rosters and even their pictures on theirs roster… Im guessing they did some photo shop work?
by blalock84 on Nov 20, 2008 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely photoshop
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 20, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A pretty bad job, too
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by lonestarJon on Nov 20, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CF defense
So.. how do our CFers stack up defensively?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Nov 20, 2008 10:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not that great
Borbon and Golson would both be better than our ML CF canidates
by blalock84 on Nov 21, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree there
but wasnt byrd quite good by +/- this year?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon, Golson
Borbon: pulled from game November 17th.
Golson: acquiring November 21st.
Is there a Borbon trade coming?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 20, 2008 11:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well Last regular season AFL game was played today
so most likely Borbon had a slight tweak of something….
But its more fun to speculate… Let me go get mu tinfoil hat and we can go look for aliens too….
by laxtonto on Nov 20, 2008 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
It looks like a 3 team deal is going down in the NBA:
Knicks get: Tim Thomas, Cuttino Mobley, and Al Harrington
Clippers get: Zach Randolph
Golden State gets: Jamal Crawford
Mardy Collins goes somewhere. Unclear at this point.
So NY gets some “meh” players who might help them win but, more importantly, all expire in time for LeBron.
Crawford will help GS. I guess Randolph will make Clips a little better.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd
Either trade him for a 2nd or buy him out.
If you’re looking for a player trade, I doubt you’d do much better than Malik Rose.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Maybe it’s crazy talk, but I wonder if we took Tinsley’s contract off their hands, would Indiana give us Rush for Stack?
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like it's just Crawford for Harrington.
But Ny newspaper says Knicks are working on a trade that would send Randolph to Dallas…
If you put everything together… Randolph to the Clips, Kaman to Dallas, but who to the Knicks?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Madonna Mia
How about a SG Cubes? Randolph will help, but now he’ll make Damp even more useless.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont believe there is anyway we end up with Randolph
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It does seem
Like a flip scenario, no? Randolph+ to be parlayed into Kaman and Mobley, perhaps?
Now THAT’d be something worth talking about.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im thinkin'
Randolph to the Clips, Kaman to Dallas, and Tim Thomas, Bass, and Stackhouse to the Knicks.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who
Takes over for Dirk, though? Are we ready to trust Singleton?
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Singleton and Williams.
May play Diop and Kaman together every now and then as well.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oofa.
That’s a lot of black holes on offense.
If we’re going to make a trade, we need to concentrate on a decent SG or at least a good backup PG.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That will come next
When we trade Dampier.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep dreaming.
I’d rather keep Damp and bail on Diop.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I want no part of Randolph. $17M cap hit in 2011? That kills my Lebron theory…..
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kaman also
has a big money contract for the next 4 years. I like the caveman’s game, but I’m not sure I like that for the future.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy
I sure do. He’s only 26 and very productive. Sign me up for that.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damp is tradeable
Im not sure Diop is right now.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
I like Damp at this point. He’s a very good rebounder, which is something we need if we’re going to be “running”.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
If we have Kaman, and can get something useful with Damp, we will be better off.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like they delt Randolph to the Clippers
for Thomas and Cuttino..
Which would have to make Kaman available, but means it would probably cost Josh Howard.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
It’s over, my friend. Donnie Walsh would blow LeBron if it brought him to New York.
It’s inevitable.
by brettgardner on Nov 21, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what these trades are all about.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From a salary perspective
This deal works:
Clips get: Randolph/Dampier
Knicks get: Thomas/Stackhouse
Mavs get: Kaman/Mobley
Leaves Knicks with just Jeffries $6M salary after 09-10 season.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 21, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ny daily news
says they delt Randolph to the Clips for Thomas and Mobley.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade him for picks
Do we even have ANY picks left after the Kidd trade and the Indiana trade in preseason?
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Nov 21, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Something in 09?
None in ’10, I think, and a second-rounder in ’11? GUessing here.
by jonthefon on Nov 21, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK going to get hammered for this
if Golson can hit the 280/330/ 440 like he did this year in AA it is almost a carbon copy of Carl Crawford for his career.
Crawford also average 100 K’s per year and bout 30 BB.
Teach this kid to have a little bit better approach of breaking pitches and he has all talent to be an amazing CF.
Not to say it will happen, but that is his ceiling if not better.
It falls back to take the younger talent that is the better defender at the harder to fill defensive position. I like this move even more….
by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2008 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw Mayberry with the South Bend Silverhawks against the
White Michigan Whitecaps a few years back. The umpires for the league were on strike and the umpiring for the game was horrible. Mayberry hit a first inning home run that was at least 40 feet fair and the umpire called it foul! LOL…. The whole home crowd booed even though it was in Grand Rapids… My friend and I just looked at each other in disbelief and joined in on the booing of the ump.
Well, late that game he hit one out in dead center and we gave him a standing ovation. Ubelieveably, the fill-in umpires got that call right!
Not sure what I think of the trade…… hopefully its not like that HR call.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.-Rogers Hornsby
by thegashousegang on Nov 23, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ooops, I just looked at my ticket stubs and it was the Clinton Lumber Kings he played for...
my mistake. Sorry.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.-Rogers Hornsby
by thegashousegang on Nov 23, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
funny story
and neat that he came back with another shot. Here’s hoping both camps are pleased with the results.
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by t ball on Nov 24, 2008 7:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hi t ball.... :)
Neither one was a cheap shot either, he knocked the stuffing out of the ball both times. While I was obviously rooting for West Michigan, I don’t like to see calls like this one. I do wish him success.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.-Rogers Hornsby
by thegashousegang on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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