Mayberry traded for Golson
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 5:23 PM CST
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PrintThe Rangers have trade John Mayberry, Jr., to the Phillies for Greg Golson.
This is a swap of disappointing first round picks who play the outfield.
Sickels gave Golson a C+ a couple of weeks ago. Lots of tools, no one knows if he'll ever hit.
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Feel sorry for him?
Why? Because he decided to behave like a spoiled teenager when he got drafted instead of taking professional baseball seriously?
He gets a massive fail.
Thats exactly why i feel sorry for him
He probably made some wrong decisions and now he’s paying for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
I don't feel sorry for anyone who makes bad decisions
after getting a $3 million check as an 18 year old. If I were going to feel sorry for anyone, it’d be the Padres, but then they should have known better, or their fans, but Padre fans are generally too dumb to know what happened.
But then again, I’m just a mean, cold-hearted person.
Is he a Nelson Cruz type?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Maybe
They feel that Rudy J can work wonders with him. Dont know. I’m just taking shots in the dark
well
that makes me very very sad.
:(
i don’t get this…even at the very worst, JMJ mashes lefties, bring up and let him platoon in the OF, get rid of the other dead weight out there…
this is effing ridiculous.
Jindal '12
What was JD thinking!?
Tom Hicks is so gonna fire his ass for trading away a former first rounder.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
Maybe
Boston simply didn’t want Mayberry or Boggs. Or maybe that has nothing to do with it, since the Philadelphia SBN blogger writes that Amaro preferred the power potential of Mayberry to the tools of Golson.
Giving it some thought, this trade probably isn’t done in isolation. It either enables something else, or is a backfill for something else. Least curious, it could just be filling the system with an AA outfielder so Frisco has a flycatcher.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 20, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
oh yeh that's right...
Big Daddy said no trading first rounders.
Everyone else is available..
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He was J-O-K-I-N-G
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 20, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
Sarcasm Fever
Catch a little…
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
What an odd little man you are...
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by Brian Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
okay
after the initial shock from reading about this, looking at some stats, etc….I’ve come to a more reasoned conclusion….
This trade sucks.
.357/.398/.696 against left-handed pitchers this year. And here, i thought we might need a righty masher in our lineup. silly me.
Jindal '12
very strange trade
are there 40 man implications here? otherwise, why bother?
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thought
Evidence of Daniels putting more organizational emphasis on defense?
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
CF?
Don’t know much about Golson, but a speedy, defensive CFer with no bat seems to have a lot of value to some teams. Maybe (with a little work) we can turn this guy into a Coco Crisp clone and flip him.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Nov 20, 2008 6:06 PM CST reply actions
could this be
a prelude to trading a Byrd/Cruz/Boggs/Murphy + Salty to BoSox who just made an outfield trade of their own?
BA's 2008 profile
"Golson’s5-tool package makes him the system’s top athlete. His plus plus speed stands out the most…and he can get to first in 4.0 seconds. He has above average: raw power, CF defense and arm strength. Pitch recognition and breaking balls are his weakness as a hitter. Led the minors with 173 SO in 2007. Reminds of a young Ron Gant but needs to make consistent hard contact and take pitches to progress past AA. The phillies think he can play a ML CF right now…
Sickels has him as 12th rigt now for the Phils for next years book
12) Greg Golson, OF, Grade C+: Most people will think this ranking is too low, but I still have serious doubts about his bat. Has made some progress but discipline remains dreadful.
Think he makes the top 20 for Texas?
he sounds
like a Nelson Cruz carbon copy
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by Walter Sobchak on Nov 21, 2008 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
I like the deal
Sounds like a guy that could benefit from working with Rudy. He’s younger, faster, plays better defense and has a plus arm.
Maybe he’ll be more comfortable playing closer to home?? I think the deal sounds pretty good.
As long as Cruz
doesn’t go bust I like the deal and he is 2-3 yrs younger. If cruz goes bust then there is no other RF in the wings…
Hamilton
Hamilton can play RF and we have several others who can play CF (maybe even Golson if the BA profile you posted is correct).
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Nov 20, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yep you are right
and Borbon could be ready mid-seaso if his improved plate discipline continues…
Boggs and (ugh) Murphy can both play RF
And, like someone else said above me, Hambone will need to move to a corner once Julio “The King of Awesome” Borbon is ready.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
So between Borbon and Golson
Who ends up in AA in AA? Could a Borbon trade be in the works?
Borbon
I don’t think Borbon is going anywhere at the moment. I think Golson will be in Frisco on opening day, just to get him more ABs against advanced pitching without the pressure of the AAA adjustment. Borbon is still higher on the depth chart and has nothing left to prove at AA.
I dig it
Take out June and July, when he seemed to have some wrist problems, and his year is very comparable to Borbon’s.
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So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Though his K rate is well above Borbon.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Walk Rate
Golson’s walk rate was better, though it’s probably not due to better plate discipline. This also doesn’t include the AFL.
wow
good observation. if you take out june and july, in which he only had about 100 ABs total, his numbers were pretty damn good. he started off on fire, perhaps the league learned how to feed him breaking balls, but he seemed to rebound well in August.
This is one of those minor deals that tend to make me nervous, but I like this one.
Dirkahuntatron has a new favorite shortie
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
ha ha, yeah.
Is 22 too young for the Dirk’s Black Outfielder Reclamation Project?
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
lol
I hadn’t that of that.
Can guys be BORPs before they get to the big leagues?
I dunno.
But it’s pretty awesome if they can.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
can someone explain me
why people are thinking golson starts in AA and not AAA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
and he is 23
so there is time to see if he can improve these areas. He bettered his career MiLg averages in most areas in AA last yr so there is reason to be optimistic.
Golson
Austin area guy, remember him from his high school days over at Conally. Also, my father is his mothers OBGYN and she knows my dad’s a huge baseball fan so he signed a baseball card for us. Freak athlete, don’t think he will ever hit at the major league level. That is all.
by rhp on Nov 20, 2008 6:56 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
too much information
but I appreciate the effort
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by Walter Sobchak on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome.
We need more genitalia-related scouting reports.
Anybody know Golson’s Dad’s penis doctor?
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by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
farm system CF
Impressive CF talent up and down the farm system.
Boggs
Borbon
Golson
Beltre
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I don't
I DO like Boggs in left, Byrd in center and Hamilton in right.
I would consider trading Byrd and putting Murphy in CF until Borbon is ready…
or trade Murphy or Byrd now and trade the other one later when Borbon is ready.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
DO NOT INSULT DAVID MURPHY!!! HE IS A GOD!!! HE HUSTLES AND HE LOOKS LIKE FORMER RANGER GREAT KAM LOE!!!
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by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
lololol
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
Very true.
He makes for the fact that he makes a lot of outs by hustling down the line.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 6:42 AM CST up reply actions
okay
this is my guess.
A few years ago JD realized that catchers were going to be the valuable commodity in the near future, and now, that is going to pay off big for him. And well, he’s collecting him some centerfielders now, and soon enough he will be able to use that wealth for trades.
Yep. JD’s superpower is to see the future trade market for certain positions.
That’s it.
Jindal '12
Positions up the middle are always more valuable.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
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- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
i like it
you get a guy who is 2-3 yrs younger than JMJ with the same type of label… A 1st rounder with alot of talent who hasnt figured it out. Why not have a guy who’s younger?
I really, really doubt a guy like JMJ was going to get any time whatsoever in our OF. Id like to see someone point out how the heck he was gonna get anytime out there with 4 team controlled OFs already ahead of him and Byrd and Borbon also likely ahead of him. Give this guy another year to see if he cant figure out in AA and he’s still a year or two younger than JMJ.
I really dont know anything that JMJ has done in the minors to point to him ever really being a big league player
i think JMJ will turn out to be an average ML OF'er
and Golson will be a 5th OF’er at best. Would the trade still be worth the risk at that point?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Well
If JMJ is an average ML OF’er, and Golson is a 5th outfielder, then it will end up as a loss for Texas.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 20, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Why in the world
do you see Mayberry as an average outfielder (I assume that average means average starter quality?)?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 20, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Wooooo the hot stove is heating up!
either that or J D was bored today.
I have a feeling something big is in the works!
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I think
some people are overthinking this with the trade spinning, master plans, etc. This team has Hamilton in one corner and a slew of decent players in the other spots, but no pure defensive CF outside of Borbon anywhere on the radar (Beltre just turned 19 and is still capable of single digit walk seasons). These two are very similar in that they are on the cusp of the majors and have a good deal of physical talent, but are still pretty raw and both stand a good chance of never making it because they are not gifted hitters. The Rangers need the CF, Philly likes the corner guy for their situation.
There is presumably some scouting preference involved, but this is just a depth chart move for equivalent, fringy players, imo. Maybe one of them will make it, but no one has any idea which one, including us and all of major league baseball.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 20, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions
I think Maybery is a pretty safe bet to be a lefty-mashing okay-defensive COF in the bigs.
But those are dime a dozen. You can literally get right handed sluggers who can’t hit RHP but slug LHP off the waiver wire.
Golson is much less likely to be an effective big leaguer, imo. But there’s actual ceiling with Golson. I could see Golson maturing into an effective big league starter. It’s just not very bloody likely is all.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
JD's comments via DMN
He said that the trade of Mayberry for Golson was about a change of scenery for both players. The knock on Golson is a bunch of strikeouts in the minor leagues. Daniels said he’s a five-tool player and if they can get his bat in order and make him a smarter hitter, he could reach his potential. I say it’s worth the try. This could work out for both teams.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/
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Trade
I like it. JMJ has zero chance of ever becoming a above average ML player. We picked up a younger player with better tools that can play CF. He might never pan out, but if he does, his upside is much higher.
--Brian
I was never a fan of Mayberry
I kept hearing about his raw talent, and there is no way a player with a major league father, and a Stanford Cardinal ought to be raw. Raw means incapable of learning baseball with the access to coaching that he has had.
I don’t want to hear about College players raw talent. That will work for High Schoolers, or Latin American players, not for first round draft pick College students.
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Yep
Just can’t understand why anyone picks a major college player who doesn’t have developed hitting skill. That’s the whole beauty of drafting a college player to begin with, that you have a better idea that he’ll hit than you can a HS guy.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, a college prospect
might be fine in the 30th round, but it was insane to hear the Rangers drafted a college project who needed to retool his swing as a first round pick. When I heard that nonsense I was wondering whose brilliant idea that was. Whoever brought that up should have been fired on the spot.
How does a major league franchise think thats a good idea, especially a couple years after the Drew Meyer fiasco.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
Yeah, meant to say “in the first round” at the end of my first sentence.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Kevin Goldstein said in a chat session a month or two back
That the “Stanford swing” is notorious among scouts.
I am bummed
I was looking forward to Mayberry hitting a game winning home run at Safeco and causing a certain Mariner fan’s head to explode.
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