Four added, two dropped
Per T.R. Sullivan, John Bannister, Willie Eyre, Omar Poveda, and Jose Vallejo have been added to the 40 man roster.
Kam Loe and Wes Littleton have been designated for assignment.
Disappointing about Littleton, who seemingly fell out of favor with Ron Washington early on and never got back in his good graces.
Bannister seems a likely candidate to be dropped later this offseason.
Eyre? Eh. I guess they thought someone might grab him. If he's healthy, he's a near-lock to be in the pen this year.
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So Sad
I don’t see how John Bannister is more valuable than Wes Littleton. If Littleton does clear waivers and is outrighted, there’s a much better chance he’s taken than Bannister would have been. If the concern is that too many scouts have been exposed to Bannister in the AFL, then the club should have managed the situation better.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 7:42 PM CST
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not sarcastic... just curious...
how?
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on
Nov 20, 2008 7:44 PM CST
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Well
I meant they could have handled the Bannister situation better to begin with. Sent him to a different Winter League where there is less attention (Mexico perhaps). However, it’s too late. I think this one was bungled.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 7:46 PM CST
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I dunno
I guess I’m just pleased with Bannister’s performance. If it gets him noticed so much that we’ve got to add him to the 40, so be it.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Nov 20, 2008 8:09 PM CST
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Interesting.
You seem to think the Rangers added Bannister because he accidentally performed too well in the AFL? The Rangers knew what they had in Bannister when they sent him to the AFL. His performance against the top prospects of other teams helped them make this decision.
The decision shows that the Rangers value Bannister over Littleton. They could only protect one. They chose Bannister. You can question whether or not it’s wise to value Bannister more, but this certainly wasn’t “bungled” or an accident.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:16 PM CST
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Mistakes Happen
I think the Rangers only added Bannister, because they’re sensing extra interest in him. My point is that if they had sent Bannister to another Winter League, he might not have received as much interest. Striking out more than a batter an inning in the AFL gets you noticed. Not so much in other leagues. I think their hand might have been forced. Moves aren’t always made from a pure talent standpoint.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:21 PM CST
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You still think Bannister's assignment in the AFL was an accident?
Look at what he did when he went back to Frisco in the second half of the year. This was no mistake.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:23 PM CST
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Definitions
I’m not saying that Bannister wasn’t deserving of an AFL spot. I’m saying that exposing him to that highly-scouted environment invites some risk of being noticed.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:25 PM CST
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But I'm sure they wanted him
to be pitching against good hitters and top prospects as part of further eval. They were likely leaning towards him over LIttleton before the AFL or they would have handled it differently.
I liked LIttleton and I would have liked to see him get another chance, but I can’t say he’s a better bet than Bannister.
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 8:27 PM CST
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Wait...
Are you suggesting Bannister did well in Frisco last year? The dude walked more people than he struck out w/ a whip of 1.87. I’m not following your point.
by Schrute Farms on
Nov 20, 2008 8:37 PM CST
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That was April
Look at his August stats.
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 8:48 PM CST
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Yeah, they aren't impressive, but that are dramatically different.
He really settled in as a reliever down in Bakersfield and is now handling some serious prospects in Arizona.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:52 PM CST
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gotcha,
Just trying to figure out the thought process.
by Schrute Farms on
Nov 20, 2008 9:06 PM CST
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That includes August
Yes, he was improved in August, but he’s not going to carry a .250 BABIP against. He didn’t strike out anyone, and he still walked enough people for concern. He certainly didn’t earn a 40-man roster spot with his August play. As for his AFL season, he’s shown a tendency to implode every few appearances, so it’s not a huge step forward.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:54 PM CST
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You're right.
It was an accident. They are stupid, bungling morons in that front office of theirs.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:57 PM CST
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hehehe
You mess with the TRA+, you get the horns.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on
Nov 20, 2008 9:30 PM CST
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Look at April's BABIP
I am assuming there is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny chance that they’ve not only looked at his stats but have watched him pitch in games, side sessions, bullpens, etc. and have a pretty good idea why they like him. I have a hard time imagining they “accidentally” like him and want him on the 40 just because they’re afraid someone saw him in the AFL.
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 11:49 PM CST
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Littleton
He sin’t eligible for the rule 5 draft. he is simply DFAd and if he clears waivers he will be outrighted to OKC. Its actually a great time to do this with all teams essentially setting their 40 man rosters for the moment and most probably not having room on them for a guy like Littleton who has no options remaining. Now this will allow us to bring him to spring training and if he wins a spot them simply DFA Bannister and if he doesn’t then he can go down to OKC and work his way back.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Nov 21, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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Rule 5
If he’s outrighted, he’ll be eligible for Rule 5.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 21, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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Odd
I don’t see the rationale in adding Eyre or Bannister, unless it’s simply to add two players who are unlikely to be claimed if they’re dropped to make room for free-agent signings. Why not leave a spot or two open for a Rule 5 pick?
And agreed on Littleton- I still think he’s got a future in a major-league bullpen, even if it’s not with the Rangers.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on
Nov 20, 2008 7:45 PM CST
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strange
dropping littleton could hurt, but whats stranger is adding bannister and eyre? Guess they are exposing strop to the draft and hope no one takes him because of injury
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Nov 20, 2008 7:48 PM CST
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bannister and eyre will be gone soon enough
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on
Nov 20, 2008 7:48 PM CST
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No Strop...
This isn’t going to end well. Give me Strop anyday over Bannister and Eyre. What’s worse is another team can easily store Strop on the 60 day DL until they are confident he’s ready to still satisfy the Rule V rules.
by TRanger on
Nov 20, 2008 7:50 PM CST
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Of course...
…if another team wanted Strop that badly, they could have signed him to a major league deal this offseason, or claimed him on waivers in September, and not had to keep him on the 25 man roster all year.
by Adam J. Morris on
Nov 20, 2008 7:52 PM CST
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yea
im suprised no one has noted this yet
by blalock84 on
Nov 20, 2008 7:58 PM CST
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seriously?
you must have tuned out all my why strop, keep omar posts.
by bushe on
Nov 20, 2008 8:13 PM CST
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Timing
I think it had more to do with timing for the Strop signing. Most teams weren’t going to offer Major League deals when they were figuring out who they wanted on the 40 from their own organization. Strop’s agent could have taken the Rangers’ serious interest and others’ disinterest as a sign that this was the best he was going to get this offseason. However, now that teams are set and they would only have to have him on the 25-man roster for 90 days (if he’s on the DL the rest of the year), he’s much more appealing.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 7:58 PM CST
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bleh...
Bannister and Eyre over Littleton? I guess I’m in the minority when I think that Wes could still be a good 6th/7th inning guy.
And why no Strop?
by Schrute Farms on
Nov 20, 2008 7:50 PM CST
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if Nolan has his way...
we won’t need a 6th inning guy ;)
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Nov 20, 2008 7:58 PM CST
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Concur...
I don’t understand why some in the organization went sour on Wes so quickly. I would much rather have him over Eyre or Bannister.
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Nov 20, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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Man...
the Rangers dumped JMJ, Kam Loe, and Littleton all in the same day.
That’s a bunch of names that were favorites of a lot of folks around here. I for one think Littleton has the makings to be a solid bullpen arm.
But, John Bannister? Whatever.
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Nov 20, 2008 7:50 PM CST
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Bannister.
The guy throws 94-96 MPH out of the ‘pen and has a pretty filthy slider. This season, his control made huge strides. There’s a reason he was added.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:19 PM CST
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Control?
The John Bannister I know didn’t exactly hit his spots at AA.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:23 PM CST
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If you watched him in May, sure...
he couldn’t hit the catcher with his fastball. He walked over 11 per 9 IP.
When he came back in August, the number was down to about 3.3 per 9 IP. His velocity was up 3-4 MPH, and he was still throwing a filthy slider.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:30 PM CST
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Yet
He still wasn’t very successful.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:31 PM CST
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And that's why they wanted him to pitch in the AFL.
Would you look at that? They not only thought he might get chosen in the Rule V Draft, they also thought he could stick with the club that drafted him.
Don’t forget, this was Bannister’s first full season back from major surgery. He got better as the season progressed and is at his best right now. There’s no reason to think he won’t be better than Littleton as early as 2009.
Better fastball. Better breaking ball. Currently on the 40.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:44 PM CST
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Bannister
Look, I’m a Rangers fan, so I always pull for the guys to succeed. Bannister is no different. I want him to be successful. However, I don’t think he’s as good as you say he is. There’s always a tendency to overhype the guy that suddenly puts together something decent after a good amount of failure. He has to show that his control is legitimate before I think he deserves a spot over Wes Littleton.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:59 PM CST
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The whole discussion here is about you tabbing this as a fiasco.
I trust that you want these guys to succeed, that’s not under fire here.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:01 PM CST
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You don't know who NoName is huh?
He’s got alot more inside info than you do…I’d trust his stuff on guys that have gone through Frisco especially….
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:55 PM CST
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I don't know who NoName is.
Who is he?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 8:57 PM CST
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click
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/7/7/566487/the-official-neftail-feliz#7231107
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:00 PM CST
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Don't indulge Ben.
It can lead to strange feelings of light-headedness.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:02 PM CST
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If I beat you in a Slim-Jim and Vitamin Water...
eating contest, can I manage the Rough Riders?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:03 PM CST
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I don't make those decisions, but I'd have to say, "No."
You’d probably destroy me in that contest, too. My slender body would be stricken with hypervitaminitis half-way through the contests. Stupid livers.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:05 PM CST
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Well, nice to put a sort of name with your posts...
I’d seen people reference “do you know who he is” before, but didn’t know what they were talking about. I figured it was the “Miles – do you not know my status?” kind of talk.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:17 PM CST
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I don't have that kind of cred.
(Thank God.)
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:18 PM CST
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Does your username refer to...
an incident where you turned in the wrong lineup card to the ump, or some other incident for which you should be roundly mocked?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:22 PM CST
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Ah yes.
You wouldn’t want to have all that disgusting pigshit circulating throughout your body corrupted by just regular water. That’s not befitting a man of your corpulence. I understand completely.
by brettgardner on
Nov 20, 2008 9:10 PM CST
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dude
do not knock vitamin water or slim jims. the gods salivate as they watch me chow down on my bounty every saturday.
by the way – Tobasco Slim Jim – no contest, I take you down, ben
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:22 PM CST
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I think...
my wedding reception will feature nothing but salted, cured meats.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:23 PM CST
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Save me some pepperoni.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:24 PM CST
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see
i’m not the biggest salted meats guy. not even a huge beef jerky fan though it can be quite entertaining for long stretches.
But Tabasco Slim Jims – nothing like it
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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Any meat that can be readily consumed...
or stored with no refrigeration or cooking is okay in my book.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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Ben is truly wise.
But I have to ask… you’ve got a kidney donor lined up, right?
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:27 PM CST
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Getting married?
Sign me up as the organist. I can play Chopin’s Funeral March for the processional, Take Me Out to the Ballgame as the recessional.
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 11:52 PM CST
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I drink tap water
aka “Special Vitamin” water
by Telegraph on
Nov 20, 2008 9:27 PM CST
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Glad to hear it.
It seems like Littleton has really dropped in value since his real nice stretch in the summer of ‘06. But Bannister sounds interesting and if they think he’s worth more than Littleton at this point I’m anxious to see him pitch at some point.
Perhaps Littleton’s work ethic is an issue?
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 8:24 PM CST
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What was his FB velocity as a starter?
by Telegraph on
Nov 20, 2008 8:28 PM CST
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89-92 when I saw in Frisco early in the year.
In relief, he was more like 91-93. I think he only had a start or two with Frisco. One was absolute insanity when came to balls-strikes. Walked 7 in something like 1.2 IP
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:32 PM CST
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Meh
I still like littleton.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Nov 20, 2008 7:51 PM CST
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+1
Defintely like him more than Wille freaking Eyre.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Nov 20, 2008 10:10 PM CST
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Littleton
is the sort of right handed pitcher reliever who can squeak through waivers. this could very easily be an example of us overvaluing out own.
by clark on
Nov 20, 2008 7:58 PM CST
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But
He’s going to be one of the few relievers eligible for the Rule V (if he clears) that has a history that includes getting Major League hitters out. That’s pure risk on the Rangers’ part.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:00 PM CST
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why
would you have a guy clear waivers and draft him in rule 5 instead of just claiming him off waivers? That doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
by bushe on
Nov 20, 2008 8:16 PM CST
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Because
Things can happen to rosters due to trades between now and then. If someone trades away a bullpen piece between now and then and needs a replacement, Littleton would only cost them $50K over the minimum.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:24 PM CST
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... and they'd have to keep him on the active roster all year.
A waiver pick up doesn’t need to be on the 25.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:33 PM CST
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Options
He has no options remaining, so it’s the same effect in a way. You have to realize that he hasn’t even reached waivers yet, so nothing can be assumed. If he does clear with us, there’s still a decent chance things happen between now and the draft that clear up a spot for Littleton on someone else’s roster.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:36 PM CST
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Waivers involve moving someone off the 40.
Rule V means you have to keep him on the 25. There’s a gigantic, mega-huge difference.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:46 PM CST
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Roster Rules
I know roster rules perfectly well. If Littleton does in fact clear waivers, then there’s still a small chance someone picks him up in the Rule V, but probably only due to a trade opening up a spot in their ‘pen. If the same team picked him up on waivers, he’d still have to sit with the 25 until put on waivers if they wanted him to play in AAA again. In other words, whatever team ends up with him if he’s claimed or drafted has to keep him on the 25 if they don’t want to expose him to all 29 other teams again. In that way, it’s strikingly similar, don’t you think?
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:02 PM CST
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Except...
With the Rule V, he has to be offered back to his original team – sort of like a pre-waiver.
With waivers, I think the guy is more likely to clear, since teams typically only waive players they think have a good chance of sliding through.
It’s similar, but definitely different.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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Indeed
But sometimes teams waive players without knowing whether or not they’ll slip through. Teams make mistakes. Ranger fans should know. I’m not saying that I think the front office now makes a lot of mistakes. I’m saying that it can’t always be assumed that a player will clear. We’ve seen lesser relievers claimed left and right the last few weeks (Kelvin Jimenez, Les Walrond, Dan Meyer), so it’s not a sure thing. I agree with what you said before about a trade, though I think they lose leverage once the 10-day clock is counting.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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Again... you're back this "mistake" thing.
Warner Madrigal was a mistake. John Bannister was not.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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Bannister
I don’t think having Bannister on the 40 is a mistake. I think putting him over Littleton is a mistake, only because of the risk of Littleton getting claimed over Bannister being drafted in the Rule V. If you can keep both, I think you do so. Bannister’s first option will be burned next year, and we’re now left looking for alternatives since we lost both Loe and Littleton in the same day.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:19 PM CST
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I think...
that the Nipperts, Hurleys, Harrisons, etc. of the world can adequately fill Loe and Littleton’s shoes.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:20 PM CST
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Bullpen
The way the bullpen now shapes out, we’re counting on Nippert, Madrigal, Mendoza, and Gabbard all being healthy and effective. Otherwise, we have to go out and either sign a free agent or get a fringy reliever of our own.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:23 PM CST
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It just seems weird...
that you would be hanging your hat on Littleton and Loe. “looking for alternatives now that we lost them both on the same day.” I dunno, there’s lots of Littletons and Loes out there.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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just to clarify
did Andy want to keep Loe? Or is it more that if we were getting rid of Loe, we REALLY need to keep Littleton.
FWIW, my position is that I thought at most Littleton could have been a good reliever but inconsistent at best – meaning we could find another one
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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But...
I’m fine with Loe leaving, mainly because he’s arbitration-eligible. However, with Littleton we still had a league-minimum guy who we know. When you go out and get other guys, there’s a good chance they’re not as good as you think.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:27 PM CST
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We've got a bunch of league minimum guys...
that we know.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:27 PM CST
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Ok
Name some that have showed they can marginally succeed against ML hitters. And I’m talking about the guys that are going to be in contention for 6 and 7 spot in the bullpen, not the 5 that have spots.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:29 PM CST
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Yay.
Dustin Nippert. Doug Mathis. Luis Mendoza.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:30 PM CST
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Well
Nippert is one of the ones with a spot, Mathis is someone that should be starting in AAA, and Mendoza hasn’t learned to keep the ball down. Give me Littleton over Mendoza if we’re choosing Major League stuff next year.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:31 PM CST
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so, just as a point of argument
the rangers chose mendoza over littleton – consistently. must have been a reason, right?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:32 PM CST
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Nippert...
McCarthy, Hurley, Harrison, Hunter. I mean, how high are we setting the bar for marginally successful against ML hitters?
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by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:31 PM CST
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Starters
You just named starters and Nippert is virtually assured of a spot right now. I’m talking about replacements for the 6 and 7 guys in the ’pen.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:32 PM CST
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We have a shit-ton...
of back of the rotation guys, why can’t they function as injury replacements in the pen?
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by benmor78 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:33 PM CST
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Those people are not difficult to find off waivers or free agency
Sure, they cost more than league minimum, but that extra monetary cost is completely insignificant.
The better question is whether Littleton is capable of playing an “essential” role in the bullpen like he did a couple of years ago, not whether he has any role. This is like the Galarraga decision in some ways – the club made the evaluation that Littleton plays no role in the future of the team that cannot be easily replaced through other means.
by Telegraph on
Nov 20, 2008 9:37 PM CST
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I think you'd have a tougher time with your bullpen...
if you relied on Littleton to be effective.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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Injuries
We’re going to have a tough time replacing injuries next year, because we’re ridding ourselves of our experienced depth. We’ll have to either rush bullpen guys, use starters in the bullpen, or use guys like Joselo Diaz.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:30 PM CST
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This really isn't a big deal
I don’t get why you’re keeping on this subject
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by Dirk Diggler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:31 PM CST
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So... you want to win next season?
We have like 20 pitchers on the 40. Most of them are starters. At worst, you may have to move some guys into relief roles.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:32 PM CST
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But who?
Mathis should be in the rotation at AAA, Feldman proved he can start, Hunter should be starting, people won’t touch Hurley, so who are the replacements?
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:34 PM CST
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Any of the 5 of 6 you can't squeeze into a rotation.
The only guys guaranteed rotation spots are Millwood and Padilla… you need to cram Feldman, McCarthy, Harrison, Hunter, Diamond, Hurley, Mathis, Mendoza, Nippert, A.J. Murray, and (at least a guy or two that I’m forgetting) into 3 major league rotation spots, and 5 in AAA. Luckily, that leaves you two spots for the major league bullpen.
And this is just a list of starter candidates…
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:38 PM CST
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Ok
Here we go. Nippert is out of options and is best thought of as a swingman that will start in the bullpen. Murray will likely be a reliever and isn’t on the 40 anway. Mendoza is also a swing guy that probably fits best in the bullpen. So now you’re left with enough starting slots for all.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:41 PM CST
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You just put two guys in the bullpen... I'm confused.
And I forgot Gabbard and Eyre on my list. Try harder.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:44 PM CST
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And Bannister is clearly a relief candidate at this point.
So put him on the list. Arrange it however you like, but there are plenty of guys.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:45 PM CST
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Gabbard
Has an option left and has been mentioned as a possible relief candidate. Eyre is a marginal reliever that is already 30.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:46 PM CST
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So...
Now you’ve put 4 guys into 2 bullpen openings?
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:47 PM CST
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Do you think were not gonna add
anybody to the bullpen, after Jon Daniels has repeatedly said upgrading the bullpen is a priority..?
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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
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by tyd3311 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:34 PM CST
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We will
But who goes off the 40 next? And why spend money on a reliever now when he’ll be at the back end of a contract and performance levels when you think you’re going to start winning division titles?
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM CST
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Doesn't have to be a free agent...
Probably aquired through trade.
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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
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by tyd3311 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM CST
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It also doesn't have to be a multi-year deal
Weird logic in this particular part of the argument…
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:40 PM CST
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It's just funny at this point
who could leave us next?
This is the 40 we are talking about.
Just let it go.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on
Nov 20, 2008 9:42 PM CST
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Details
It’s details involving the 40 that can separate teams. If we want all of the talent to translate into winning, then we need to pay attention to the small stuff and doing it the right way so that it’s sustainable.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:44 PM CST
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And Loe and Littleton are a part of that?
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:45 PM CST
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Please, spare me
I was being sarcastic.
No 40-man accidents occurred here. You’ve hijacked the thread and been disturbingly repetitive.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on
Nov 20, 2008 9:46 PM CST
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Alternatives?
Loe and Littleton were what can loosely be called “longshots” for the major league bullpen. With Wilson, Francisco, Rupe, Madrigal, and Benoit pretty much guaranteed spots, you still get to sort through the rotation fodder like Mendoza, Feldman, and Nippert.
Littleton and Loe, if they’d had options remaining, were slated for another season on the OKC shuttle.
They can comfortably keep Bannister in OKC all season, where he can keep working his way back from TOMMY JOHN SURGERY.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:23 PM CST
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To me
their is a %99 chance that somebody outside of the Rangers organization right now, will be a big part of our bullpen next year.
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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM CST
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No one's biting on this one, eh?
So much for baiting. Ignore it.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:02 PM CST
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This also assumes that the Rangers won't trade him within those 7 days...
Don’t assume that since he wasn’t traded today that he won’t be traded tomorrow.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 8:34 PM CST
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Trading a fringe reliever
for a younger fringe reliever? Or another person carted off to Japan?
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by outofnace on
Nov 20, 2008 9:06 PM CST
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A random Low A reliever with potential?
A mediocre Low A starter? Someone else’s throw away 1B so we can have someone at AAA? I’m not saying it’ll be much, but it’s better than zero-value.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:11 PM CST
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Yeah
I have no right to speak on this subject. I thought Botts was going to get snatched up as soon as he was released him and that JD was an idiot for releasing him. Woops.
I like Littleton, mainly because I love watching that delivery of his. Hopefully it works out for the best.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on
Nov 20, 2008 8:04 PM CST
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If someone wants Littleton
couldn’t they just pick him up today and put him on their 40? He wouldn’t have to spend the season on their 25 man (though I guess he’s out of options, so he probably would anyway…)
by JBImaknee on
Nov 20, 2008 8:09 PM CST
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Yes
They could claim him on waivers whenever the Rangers put him on there in the next 7 days.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 8:13 PM CST
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No, Michael Schlact?
JD seemed to lean toward adding him when he spoke at the great UNT.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on
Nov 20, 2008 7:59 PM CST
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MAN!
I can’t believe this. Why leave Littleton off!? God I hope he isn’t taken.
And Strop as well.
by Mike E on
Nov 20, 2008 8:14 PM CST
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incidentally
that CJ video is becoming a death sentence to all who were in it. Josh Rupe better watch his back
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by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 8:27 PM CST
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Surprising
I’m not sure if I should be excited that they like Bannister that much, or disappointed that two guys I liked, Loe and Littleton, are apparently not all that.
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 8:31 PM CST
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What did you see in Loe?
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by AirJordan on
Nov 20, 2008 8:34 PM CST
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I said I liked him
I didn’t say I thought he should be on the ML roster in 2009. He had some chances and didn’t do enough. Littleton probably deserved another shot (not knowing what they thought of his work this year in OKC).
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 8:38 PM CST
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Random LSB assignment - extremely hazardous
Somebody brave watch the new Rosie O’Donnell show.
If you survive intact [God bless your soul] then tell us what it was like.
by shroomer on
Nov 20, 2008 9:06 PM CST
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There was once a Japanese (or was it Chinese?) fable
A bunch of people wanted to try Fugu – a delicious, yet poisonous fish – for the first time, but they were afraid that it would be their end, so they gave some to a beggar on a bridge in order to see if he would survive or not
Some time later, they saw the beggar standing on the bridge, strolling aimlessly as always. Relieved, they devoured the remaining fugu with great vigor; the fish was delicious. Perhaps in the spirit of brotherhood, they went back to the bridge and declare the thousand virtues of the fish to the beggar.
Before they could finish, the beggar started to walk away from them. “Where are you going?”, inquired the men – to which the beggar replied, “I have to go eat my fish!”
by Telegraph on
Nov 20, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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I basically understand Bannister
and I’m glad that they found room for Poveda.
But Willie Eyre? He sucks. What would make anyone think that he’s going to be appreciably better than he’s been? Bleh. Give me Littleton or Strop.
by Brett Perryman on
Nov 20, 2008 9:32 PM CST
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who says you can't have them all?
seriously.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:33 PM CST
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so you also don't think littleton is getting nabbed?
would it surprise you if he did though?
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by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 9:34 PM CST
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I'm not saying that will happen.
Neither situation will surprise me.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:46 PM CST
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Maybe you can
Strop and Littleton both look like guys who others might want, and Eyre looks like someone who will spare us to death for 3-4 months again and needlessly occupy a 40 spot while we make tough decisions on Armando Galarragas and Rob Tejedas. Doesn’t that sound a little familiar?
by Brett Perryman on
Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM CST
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I'm happy...
they added Poveda as well.
Beat those Cougs.
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by slc ranger on
Nov 20, 2008 9:34 PM CST
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To Avoid Confusion
Re-starting my point down here.
Starters (10 between Arlington and OKC): Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Feldman, Harrison, Hurley, Ballard (not on 40), Diamond, Hunter, Mathis. Mendoza could take the Ballard spot possibly if you just want to include guys on the 40.
Relievers (14 between Arlington and OKC): Francisco, Wilson, Benoit, Madrigal, Rupe, Nippert (0 options), Mendoza (possibly starter), Murray (not on 40, you mentioned him), Eyre, Bannister (probably not Arlington bullpen candidate), other MLCs.
There’s plenty of space here, yet no replacement parts for the bullpen if there are injuries.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:52 PM CST
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You're worried about 40-man space for relief help in the event of an injury.
Today, we added 3 pitchers to the 40-man roster. We’ve got more pitchers today than we had yesterday.
Final word.
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by NoNameOnCard on
Nov 20, 2008 9:56 PM CST
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Only 1
That will make an immediate impact at the ML level (Eyre), and likely at the same level as Littleton. My whole point is that if you want to get Littleton off the 40, do it at the end of Spring Training, because he didn’t make the team due to someone beating him out. Don’t do it so that he’s now going to be made available to every other team, possibly twice, before even seeing if he’s going to be better than an Eyre is come April.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 9:59 PM CST
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I would have kept Littleton over Eyre
but obviously they are willing to take that risk with Littleton and don’t like him much.
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by t ball on
Nov 20, 2008 11:59 PM CST
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Feldman
will probably be in the Rangers pen next year. Diamond, Hunter, Mendoza, Mathis can either be spot starters or in the Rangers pen if needed.
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by RangerMad on
Nov 20, 2008 10:15 PM CST
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no way
he’s the 4th starter
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by ab03 on
Nov 20, 2008 10:17 PM CST
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I agree
He and Harrison have the leg up on the back end.
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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
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by tyd3311 on
Nov 20, 2008 10:22 PM CST
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Feldman
Why would Feldman be in the ’pen after a good season transitioning to being a starter?
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 10:17 PM CST
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Because there are
5 other starters better than him: Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Harrison and Hurley. IMHO
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by RangerMad on
Nov 20, 2008 10:50 PM CST
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Ok
I understand the logic, but personally I want Hurley to prove he can succeed against AAA lineups before I choose him over Feldman.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 10:51 PM CST
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Andy,
I am very confused here. You want Hurley to prove he can succeed at the AAA level before you chose him over Feldman? Even though Hurley looked as good and as poised as he did at the big league level through four starts?
Quick question, how many AAA hitters did Feldman get out? NONE! He never even pitched at that level.
That logic is ridiculous. The five best starters on the Rangers staff RIGHT NOW are Millwood, Padilla, Harrison, Hurley, McCarthy. The only person on that entire stafff you could argue Feldman MIGHT should be in for is McCarthy. The Texas Rangers will go with Hurley in the starting rotation. Unless he falls on his ass during Spring Training, he is a kid that has had some major hype through the minors. He is a home grown pitching prospect (something Texas hasn’t had in a LONG time) that actually did rather well through 4 starts. (1-1, 3.57 ERA and beat the eventual World Series Champions)
by nutsonthetable on
Nov 21, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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Hurley
I think Hurley still showed the same tendencies in those four good starts that he showed in AAA. He wasn’t pitching above the level of Scott Feldman. Feldman has the track record of succeeding in the majors and Hurley doesn’t. Not to mention that Hurley also missed those months of development time and will be pitching competitively for the first time in 7 months when spring training games start up. So I think Feldman is a better starting option at this point. That doesn’t mean Hurley won’t become the better option at some point during the next year. I just think you don’t hand something to him, because he’s a former 1st rounder and we developed him. You pick who is better, and I think Scott Feldman is the better option.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 21, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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Fair enough....
I can see where you are coming from Andy. I realize that all players have their ups and downs. However, after four games, Hurley was 1-1 with a 3.57. That’s pretty impressive. Granted, it’s a very small sample size. However, he proved through 4 starts, before his injury, that he can get Major Leaguers out. Why would you put him in AAA when he has proven, though – again, small sample size – that he can get Major League batters out?
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Nov 21, 2008 10:32 AM CST
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If there are injuries...
With injuries, some are of the 60-Day variety, and that frees up space. Besides, I’ll bet there have been a few minor league starters over the years who have been called up to work out of the bullpen.
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by YourNameHere on
Nov 20, 2008 10:18 PM CST
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Planning
I just have to look at how the 2008 season turned out to know that it’s best to have plenty of pitching depth. That’s why I think jettisoning Littleton is bad at this point. If he couldn’t win a job in spring training, then so be it. I just don’t see how giving Willie Eyre a roster spot now over Wes Littleton accomplishes anything towards making the Rangers better in both the short- and long-term.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 10:20 PM CST
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What if Eyre is better than Littleton
right now in the eyes of the Rangers staff?
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by Dirk Diggler on
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Eyre
Well, he’s just started coming back from Tommy John surgery, so I don’t think you can even make that decision right now. In addition, the only thing that should theoretically matter is who is better at the end of spring training. Even if you were to think Eyre is better now (which I don’t think he is for a number of reasons), there’s still a good chance he’s not the better pitcher at the end of spring training. You want to give your players the chance to win or lose spots on the field. Possibly losing Littleton because of a decision you made in November rather than March or April would be disappointing to say the least.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 10:45 PM CST
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I'm still not seeing the problem...
Just thinking out loud:
Starting Rotation: (1) Kevin Millwood (2) Vicente Padilla, (3) Scott Feldman, (4) Brandon McCarthy and (5) Matt Harrison
Other candidates/replacements: Doug Mathis, Tommy Hunter, Eric Hurley, Josh Rupe, Thomas Diamond
Bullpen: (1) Rupe, (2) Warner Madrigal, (3) Frank Francisco, (4) C.J. Wilson, (5) Joaquin Benoit, (6) Bill “Not the Terrorist” Eyre, (7) Dustin Nippert
Other candidates/replacements: Luis Mendoza, Diamond, Hunter, Mathis, Hurley
The thing is if the Rangers are having to use some of these minor league starters for a prolonged period of time, it’s likely going to be the result of someone else going on the 60-Day DL. And if John Bannister isn’t playing at a level that makes him a viable option a short-term fill in at some point next year, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him getting designated for assignment at that point so Texas can add someone else who’s impressing on the farm, whoever that might be.
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Nov 20, 2008 10:44 PM CST
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Depth
All I’m saying is that we’re cutting our depth before we have to. Once people start hitting DLs, we’re going to be struggling, because we don’t have the fallback guys that we should. All the guys you mentioned as bullpen replacements haven’t had success in the Majors (starting or relieving). Littleton has gotten quality outs at the Major League level, yet we’re not even giving him a chance to win a job out of spring training quite yet. We’re allowing 29 other teams to have that option before ourselves. That’s what’s disappointing. It’s November and we’re cutting our options.
by Andy Seiler on
Nov 20, 2008 10:50 PM CST
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If none of those guys can come through...
If you’re suggesting that the Rangers should have kept Wes Littleton because he has had success in the Major Leagues before, I’m pretty sure there will be cheap free agent relievers who’ve had success at the Big Leagues as well. If you think that Littleton in particular has a lot of upside, then that’s a different story. I don’t necessarily think another spring training is going to be all that telling since the Rangers have seen quite a bit of him over the last few years.
Beyond that, if not one out of Doug Mathis, Tommy Hunter, Eric Hurley or Thomas Diamond takes a step forward and provides several solid innings for Texas, whatever Littleton could have done in 2009 will be a moot point. Unless they’re injured, it’s likely that all of them will be pitching for the Rangers at some point. If none of them can establish themselves with a spot on the 2010 team, then we’re going to have to move that target date further down the road.
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Nov 20, 2008 11:09 PM CST
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Have a feeling Littleton will slip through waivers
Just a hunch.
by Joey Matschulat on
Nov 20, 2008 11:28 PM CST
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i hope so
i just have a bad feeling about this. Littleton carried a K/inning and a sick G:F rate this past year in OKC, he just doesn’t seem like the sort of player a team like this should give up on, and he seems like exactly the sort of player other teams take a chance on. I can vaguely understand every move they made today except Eyre over Littleton. They must have seen something they liked in Eyre this winter, but besides his Ks , he has been utterly hittable in a league full of kids. It would be one thing if JD didn’t have such an atrocious track record of identifying ML quality pitching….but he does have an atrocious track record, which makes this move feel all the more dubious.
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Nov 21, 2008 12:31 AM CST
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Much ado about nothing
I look at each player on the 40 man and want to see one of two things
- a guy who I could see being part of a winning club
- a guy who may develop into a player who can contribute to a winning club.
Frankly, I don’t see Loe or Littleton as either category. They’re 4A pitchers. Sure a time will come next year when it’d be nice to have one of them, but really… their presence on the roster isn’t going to change the fate of this team one way or another.
Now, I don’t see Eyre as that either, but I guess someone in Texas likes him. Bannister and Poveda are definitely in the 2nd group – they probably won’t contribute in 2009, but if things work out, they can help in 2010 or later.
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Nov 20, 2008 11:54 PM CST
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Congrats Texas Rangers Analyst,
for making this thread a giant ass-whipping.
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+1
I can’t believe I actually read the entire thing. Train wreck effect, I guess.
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