LSB Community Prospect Project: #4

So is there anyone I'm missing in these polls?

I’m thinking of adding some more guys soon. Lemon, Moreland, Golson, West, Whittleman, Santana, Font, Castillo, Gomez, Diamond, Weiland, Clark Murphy, etc.

Who am I missing?

Who needs to go on soon?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

MVP votes are the new OBP.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 4:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Probably a little soon to start adding those guys

Aside from Font, I don’t think it’s very likely any of the above would actually get any votes until after the top 10 is determined.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 6:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yah, come to think of it Font should be on right now, judging by the other guys that are on here.

I type these polls out from memory each time so I’m trying to make sure I’m not simply brain-farting on a guy who should obviously be on here right now or something.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 6:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You always did have it out for Wilmer

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

by Brian Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't need to worry about Lemon

for 15 more picks, at least.

Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.

"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 21, 2008 6:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Blasphemy!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 6:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

25

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

by Brian Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

i think we need to add derek jeter.
he’s so awesome that he’s still a top 10 prospect in every system

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 21, 2008 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:01 AM PST

up early or down late?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thedirkatron

is a machine, he doesn’t need to sleep. Instead he takes brief periods of rest to chart the awesomeness of Andy Sonnastine vs Tim Lincecum. Then back to crushing cars with his bare hands.

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where does Marcus Lemon fit in?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bathroom breaks

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Machines have bathroom breaks?

by JimBonnick84 on Nov 21, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well c'mon

Don’t tell me you’ve never driven your car through the side of your house to drain the oil into the toilet?

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes you missed someone

Greg Golson ( G- Gol ). The years at class A have left him underappreciated. Is it too late to vote him for no. 1?

by BEW on Nov 21, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I prefer

Greg-Go
1) he’s fast.
2) I need a new Greggo in my life.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MM, TT, KK, BB, RR, and now GG

Did I miss anyone there? I’m sure I did…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 21, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there are two MMs

Moreland and Main

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Their are two KK's

Kea Komantani and Kasey Kiker

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 21, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this is fun

We’ve got another TT, as well: Tyler Tufts.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and

tomas telis

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ZZ...

Check out catcher Zach Zaneski.

I used to believe that violence never solved any problem. That was unitl I got acquitted of murdering my pregnant mistress.

by YourNameHere on Nov 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and apparently

we already had a GG. Without cheating, anyone know it?

(Hint, He was in Bakersfield this year)

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For a second there I thought you meant Michael Young...

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Grant Gerrard

but don’t forget about Geuris Grullon.

Michael Main Interview

by jparks77 on Nov 21, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hunter Harrigan

played a few games at Frisco last year, but I don’t think he’s still around…

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Hunter-Harrigan.shtml

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where's Ryan Roberts?

and his sweet neck tattoo?

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha Ha!

I knew I missed some…The Rangers must lead MiLB in first/last name initial matching.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 21, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Poveda

he’s 14 on my list…the others can wait an another week…

by Goyogringo on Nov 21, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whittleman shouldn't be on this list till after 20

But you should probably add Font, Bilier, Gomez, Moreland, Weiland, Jones, and Castillo.

by Hull Fan on Nov 21, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and my vote...

is for Max.

“.300/.400/.500 from a catcher.”

Say it out loud, wait 2 to 3 seconds, then look down and see if you aren’t suddenly packing some serious veiny dog sausage in your name brand boxer-briefs.

I bet you are.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

MVP votes are the new OBP.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 4:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Max come on Dirky Dirk,

Main is the player to go with. In all honesty he should have been #3. Isn’t he dreamy Dirk.

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by NYTXFAN on Nov 21, 2008 5:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly I feel like I'm overranking putting him at #6 on my list.

I want him to be our next ace in waiting, and I think there’s a decent possibility he can be a guy like that.

I just haven’t seen enough to feel comfortable putting hi ahead of guys like Max and Andrus.

Lemme ask you this, where did you have him before Jason Parks and M.J. Hindman ran a dirty man-love train on him after fall instructs?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 6:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Personally

I’d probably have had him at #6 if it weren’t for the MJH/BBTiA love. But for me, the 4-5-6 slots is a pretty tight grouping between Max, Elvis and Main – not much difference there IMO, just a matter of personal preference in how you rank them.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 6:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Looking back to midseason

I had him at #7. Right behind Eric Hurley for some reason.

http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/8/7/588639/lsb-community-prospect-pro#7938500

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 6:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What did he do in the meantime to jump Max and Andrus, iyo?

Just curious.

He jumped a few guys imo too.

Wondering as to your thought process.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 6:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, he did have a pretty good time in Clinton

I always have liked him a lot, so I guess seeing him move up to Low-A for the first time and actually add to his K/BB ratio (even though the FIP jumped just a bit) kind of justified my love a bit. And then the reviews of him this offseason got me even more pumped.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 7:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would add

the way he goes about his business gives strong insight into his character and desire to excel. IIRC, he was the anti-Cwun after the draft. He did little dancing with JD and signed his contract. IMO from way out in the peanut gallery, he lacks douchiness and prima donnaship which is a ginourmous plus.

Also, Main was pitching by late summer moving himself up the org. chart in front of Cwun and others. Consider also, he had an injury and bounced back to form this year. From here in Charlotte, it appears Main made a big jump this year (prolly not to #1, but top 3 for sure.)

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by Parman on Nov 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"I just haven’t seen enough to feel comfortable putting hi ahead of guys like Max and Andrus."

No glove Catcher who may have to have a position switch and a 700 OPS SS who led the league in errors?

Main is a crapshoot just due to his young age, and minimal pro innings, but its not like Andrus and Max don’t have their issues. I don’t see putting Main ahead of those 2 to be that shocking.

Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.

"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 21, 2008 7:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see it as shocking either.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

top 4-5 in my book

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by NYTXFAN on Nov 21, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going with Main

I love Max, really I do. But I’m frankly more smitten with Main right now – I’m a sucker for ceiling and hype, and Main has an abundance of that right now. I might even put Elvis above Max as well, seeing as how we’ve got a ton of depth at catcher and we’ve only got one Elvis. But we’ll see how big my Max-boner is on Saturday.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 6:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Andrus

then Main for me. Andrus was the opposite of Mayberry last year, improving through the season as one of the youngest in AA.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 21, 2008 7:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1

" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.

by Kinslerhomer on Nov 21, 2008 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+3

by coolaid on Nov 21, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes

an elite defensive shortstop who could debut next yr gets the nod…

by Goyogringo on Nov 21, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes, yes, yes

+4

by Hull Fan on Nov 21, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

-above

Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's time for the main event!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 21, 2008 7:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

voting for main

because he is awesom

by cashman on Nov 21, 2008 7:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm goin with TT here

by Save us on Nov 21, 2008 7:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

staying home from school today?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

im SHOCKED

voted teagarden over a pitcher

clearly steal home is off his game!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he knows that his votes

Technically count negatively.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Concur...

Total bullshit.

His entire list should be pitchers. He’s not allowed to vote for any position player imo.

Beat those Cougs.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 21, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody knows I love me some Max

But when I look at the minor league records of the elite SS like HanRam, Rollins, Furcal, etc they look a lot like Andrus.

I think Andrus ceiling is something like the premier guys listed above. It’s certainly no lock that he reaches that ceiling, but if you want to know what those guys looked like in the minors, they looked a lot like Andrus currently does.

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by tricer on Nov 21, 2008 7:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Andrus

I’m as big of an andrus fan as anyone, but i just can’t ignore main. To me they are 4a and 4b.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 21, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 21, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So when it came down to our boy's time of need you left him for some slinky little younger piece, huh?

I learned a lot about you today, Toddler.

And so did Max.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maximum Force!

Bill James projects max to go 308/390/548 this year. A 938 OPS out of a catcher?! Andrus looks like he will be a pretty decent shortstop at some point but Max looks like he’s ready to be a force now. Time value of money sort of thing.

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 8:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Don't you mean

Max Power?

(I got it off a hairdryer)

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Main for me

Going with the herd again.

by JimBonnick84 on Nov 21, 2008 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Elvis

I have trouble voting against him. He did an outstanding job at AA while still in teens. He still needs to lower the errors, but I love his comps. I’m really hoping the power comes around next season.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Nov 21, 2008 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Elvis

He’s ceiling is two-way impact player, and he could play ML baseball in 2009.

His numbers improved so much after the thumb injury, you have to believe in that bat. And this is a huge AA sample.

I think I’m putting Max and Tea in before Main.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 21, 2008 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I see alot of people saying Elvis

But it’s not reflective of the results.

Vote Elvis.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's between Main and Andrus for me.

And I’m open to being convinced either way.

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by ghtd36 on Nov 21, 2008 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

for one

they are about the same age and Andrus had a pretty successful run over a full season at AA, while Main had a pretty successful run over a couple months at low A.

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by tricer on Nov 21, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Elvis for me

for those reasons right there.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 21, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Done and done.

Elvis it is.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Nov 21, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Main

Texas Rangers Analyst - Taylor Teagarden Profile,
Mike Grouse Interview,
TRA Newsletter

by Andy Seiler on Nov 21, 2008 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Michael Main?

I’m assuming many of you have not seen him pitch. I will leave it at that. He should not be the number 4 ranked LSB prospect.

by nutsonthetable on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

You voted for Hurley...

which is fine, but what’s the knock on Main?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually,

I voted for Elvis.

by nutsonthetable on Nov 21, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's not what your profile page says

http://www.sbnation.com/users/nutsonthetable

Lone Star Ball Voted for RHP, Eric Hurley on Lone Star Ball – 11/21/08 9:27 AM CST

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i want to know why anyone would vote for hurley over main

because if its “close to majors” or “likely to reach ceiling” – that should go to teagarden, who is probably the most known commodity in our system.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would

Main is #8 in my personal list right below Hurley but you and I have had that discussion already. Main has not pitched a full season yet and that is a pretty significant hurdle to overcome.

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

right

but your not gonna put him at 4…

btw whose btwn 2-7 for yoU?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

me

Smoak
Holland
Ramirez
Feliz
Teagarden
Andrus
Hurley
Main

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

interesting ranking of feliz

why do you like holland over feliz (secondary stuff?)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Feliz

He has some pretty glaring gaps in his game. I only saw him once but it seemed like he was a do one thing really well guy instead of a complete player. Really I am ~~>| |<~~ this close to going Max over Holland too for similar reasons.

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

interesting

and i can see the arguement to be made for both holland>feliz and max>holland

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My apologies Dirk,

I’m not sure what happend. For what it’s worth, my top ten were:

Holland, Feliz, Smoak, Andrus, Teagarden, Hurley, Perez, Main, Max, and Vallejo.

by nutsonthetable on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So you just selected the wrong player?

That seems hard to do since they’re not next to each other on the list…

Can you elaborate on why you have Hurley over Main? I’m just curious…

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They are

for me.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

strange…LSB 2.0 strikes again apparently

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Keep at it

There is hope, yet.

When in doubt, blame it on the mouse.

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I may have rolled the thing in the middle of the mouse,

I got up to answer the door before I submitted, for all I know my little boy hit something. I don’t know. But above were my top 10. Again, I do apologize for the mixup.

As far as your question goes, I find it very hard to put a player high up in the top 10 without ever throwing at least a AA pitch. That’s my honest answer. I saw Main throw once and it just didn’t impress me. This is all matter of opinion. I liked what Hurley did last year at the major league level. Him beating the eventual World Series Champions, to me, is impressive. Like I said, it’s just opinion.

by nutsonthetable on Nov 21, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

Thanks

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 21, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

your nuts were in the way.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

Heh

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Nov 21, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I knew....

It had to be something…..

by nutsonthetable on Nov 21, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

rec

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 21, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is an outrage!

I demand a recount on the last vote – Main vs Smoak. I think without a paper trail we cannot fully know who won. Obviously, many Main supporters voted Smoak or Teagarden due to mouse wheel slips, random interference, or just plain ballot manipulation by dirkatron’s sockpuppets.

The prospect rankings risk significant voter disenfranchisement.

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Just wait until Lemon "sneaks" his way into the back end of the top ten here in a couple of days.

Bwa, ha, ha!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sock puppets!

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 21, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Voted for RHP, Eric Hurley on Lone Star Ball – 11/21/08 9:27 AM CST

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
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by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

main

really, all ive heard from writers is how good he is and his fall performance was excellent

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 21, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

teh main man.

"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...

by ivysafety39 on Nov 21, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

for what its worth

i voted main, simply because i want do see elvis do it again, continue to get better

ive thought a lot of main for a long time (started after seeing he would have been #1 on 2 BA league top 20s had he qualified) and hopefully, he keeps it up

thats what we need to see from the top players in our minor leagues though, continued improvement (ie, main, andrus, vallejo, etc) – we have some guys who are what they are and are probably not gonna change tool wise (tea

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

huh?

you voted for Main(1/2 year of A) because the guy who played well in AA needs to prove himself? Wha…?

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

andrus has always been a guy the scouts loved (oozes tools) but that the stats-based people were unimpressed with (fwiw, PECOTA loves the guy, or did a couple of yrs ago)

andrus was unimpressive at A and A+ in the braves system (andrus baseball cube)

but he was quite young for his league and had the tools (even now, had how many errors but has a plus glove)
- this is the first time he has actually done “well” in a league.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Teagarden

Why no Teagarden love? Why do people hate on catchers so much…I think Teagarden has the best chance on this list to be a long-term major league player. His injury concerns are really all that make me believe he can’t be at worst a serviceable catcher for a number of big league clubs. More than likely he’ll be a superb defensive catcher with a decent bat. How does a guy like Main, with a long ways to go, get so much more love than Teagarden?

"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."

by Prognosis Negative on Nov 21, 2008 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think

Anyone is hating on catcher. Some are voting for Max’s bat and I intend on voting for TT very soon.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

TT.....

Is a hell of a ball player. I look forward to this upcoming season to see if he can perform at the same level he left off with last year.

by nutsonthetable on Nov 21, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

stick over glove

so max over tea. I didn’t see anything on the defense to justify the possible 200 OPS drop from Max to Tea.

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

With the way this team butchers the ball

I think you have to go glove over stick right now.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 21, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus...

Teagarden’s bat isn’t that good…now we are going with sample sizes but…

Teagarden and Ramirez’s OPS’s were with 50 points in 2007. In 2008, Teagarden played 89 games behind the plate to Ramirez’ 65. Teagarden had a rough year at the plate in 2008. This could be attributed to his recovery from an injury (if I remember correctly). He had an excellent season in 2007 and in, small sample size alert, 16 games with the club this September. OPS 1.205. Teagarden has a lot of potential with the stick.

If Ramirez were considered a DH/1B right now I don’t see how he could possibly be more valuable or a better prospect than TT. It already looks like Ramirez could be headed off of the plate.

"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."

by Prognosis Negative on Nov 21, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a 900+ OPS

is valuable from any spot on the field and that is what Max is ready to produce.

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

teagarden is a known commodity

main has a much higher ceiling

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Teagarden is my #3

After Main and Feliz. But people keep rejecting my Main Man, so I’ll keep voting for him.

FWIW, I think that Tea is the most valuable position player in our organization – above Smoak, MaxRam, Andrus, and Borbon. And definitely above Saltalacan’thitanything

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I endorse your second paragraph

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

by Brian Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoah, you have T-Tea as the top position prospect in our system?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Affirmatory

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

by Brian Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Tea has shown that he has plus skills that perform at the major league level right now. He’s gold glove caliber right now.

Smoak is just not quite there for me yet. He’s too new – I’m giddy we got him at #11, but I’m not writing him into All-star lineups just yet. Yeah, he could be Teixeira; well, Tea could be Pudge (remember, Pudge’s bat wasn’t heralded when he came up either). It seems like people are judging Smoak only by what he could be. If we used the same standard for Tea, he’d be higher than Smoak on everyone’s lists.

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Boy, I just don't see it

Sure he’s a great defensive player. So are about ten major league catchers who you’d say “yuck” if I suggested they could be one of the most important players in our organization. What I never hear anyone reconcile for me (and I wish that they could, because I love Teagarden) is how they are confident in his bat based on 59 major league at bats – FIFTY NINE – and are undeterred by his scary bad season. .211/.319/.374? That’s over 246 at bats. I just have no clue how that doesn’t weigh as heavily as a late season cameo where dudes threw him enough fastballs for him to hit 6 HR and 5 2B, which COMPLETELY drove his success, as they were 11 of his 16 hits, and he put up an ugly 5/19 BB/SO.

I suspect that I want Teagarden to be a really good player just about as bad as anyone, but I just don’t see the evidence, based on his entire year last year, that he’s likely to overcome scouting questions about his bat. I mean for goodness sakes, Travis Metcalf had the same sort of over his head start in the majors himself.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Excuse me

11 of his 15 hits

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I'm a sucker for catching defense

and you’re right about the bat – I’m certainly concerned.

I think a great glove is capped in its utility to a player in all but 3 positions – SS, C, and CF. A player can be a league-average hitter and make such an impact fielding at those positions that they are among the most valuable in the game. The difference between Tea and the other generic “yuck” great-fielding catchers is that when I have seen Tea play (which admittedly is not tons), I see a guy who has already figured it out. Its not that he has the potential to be great. He’s very nearly there. I think he can make our pitching better by throwing to him and I think he can own the running game.

Its really an apples and oranges comparison – who would your rather have – a guy who might be Teixeira part II, but hasn’t had but a handful of pro at bats, or a guy who will very likely win a shelf full of gold gloves behind the plate but may have a 700 OPS. Since we are rating by value, I’ll go with the catcher. I just think Tea is the most valuable position player on that list right now. But that is based on the fact I am more confident in what Tea will become than Smoak. I can understand if you’re more confident about Smoak or less about Tea.

Put another way – which guy is Boston most likely to think about trading your white whale Buchholz for – Tea or Smoak? I’m thinking Tea…

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your last question is more geared toward individual orginizational need.

The Sawx have Youk, Ortiz and Lars Anderson at 1b/DH and a big gaping hole at C so of course they need a catcher more. (They’re not trading Buchh for either of those guys, though.)

But I’d argue vehemently that Smoak would have more trade value that T-Tea, and that his BITA+ is higher too.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

See, I just don't get the Smoak infatuation

I know he’s good, and I’m excited that we got him. But he was at most the 3rd best hitter in the draft last year (Alvarez and Posey were ahead), and at least some people (i.e., Cincy) thought Alonso was better. Not to mention that there are other guys already the minors who are also really good as well. Until he gets some serious time in pro ball, I can’t just assume he’s near the top of this very strong organization.

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So?

The third best hitter in a draft can’t be an incredible hitter?

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for what its worth

alvarez was head and shoulders above everyone else going into the year + had hamate bone probs

and posey wasnt a lock to be the better hitter going into the draft

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Alvarez

is also probably going to be #3 on BA’s top 100, at least according to Jim Callis. The third best hitter in a draft is often a top 20 or so prospect immediately. The notion that you’re either Pedro Alvarez or you’re not enough of a hitter to be worth more than a Teagarden is too much of a jump.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 22, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yuuup

alvarez is a guy who is VERY good

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For what it's worth

you once more (once more being someone who has a huge zest for Teagarden and who I ask to try to explain how they can take his awesome little cameo as gospel and completely ignore what he did for the majority of the year, not necessarily you doing it repeatedly yourself) completely avoided addressing his full season.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

teagarden for buchholtz

in a heartbeast

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and by heartbeast i meant heartbeat

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heartbeast

That must be another term for David Eckstein.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 22, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MEfnLRHro4

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 22, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, thank you.

I love the defense and think he has some serious TTO potential, but I’m just not sure I trust him to OPS over .750 in the big leagues as a regular.

Don’t get me wrong, his defense and a .250/.350/.400 line makes him a very good player, but the non-special bat coupled with the “scary bad” minor league numbers from last year and his annual bout with injury woes make it hard for me to think he’s our top positional prospect or really anywhere close to it.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for what its worth, teagarden is the most known commodity of any player in our minors

we know hes going to play HIGH level defense
we know hes gonna walk a lot
we know he has some power

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We don’t know, though, if he can make much contact in the majors. That’s a pretty central skill for any position player.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 22, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yup

which is why hes not higher for me – hes behind andrus here, and its gonna be tough to rank teagarden/maxram/perez for me

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would deal

TT for Bucholz before Salty for Bucholz.

I love T T and the defense he brings, but I am concerned with his injury history.

The thing about Salty is that he is younger, yet will probably walk as much or more than TT and have as much or more power.

The real choice for me boils down to youth and better offense vs. premier defense and injury history.

by laxtonto on Nov 22, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Derek Holland

isn’t in your top 7?

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 21, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He is.

The last paragraph is just position players.

I’d probably go:
Main
Feliz
Tea
Holland
Smoak
MaxRam
Borbon or Andrus, depending on which tools I like the most
Perez

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Derek Holland as #4

… wow.

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 21, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its not a knock on Holland

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

It’s crazy Teagarden talk.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 22, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's hardly

outrageous in this minor league system.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 21, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also

why is it that people are so quick to assume that disagreement over how catchers should be ranked means they hate their guy? I’ve been classified as a “Salty Hater” several times. I don’t hate anyone currently in our organization (though Millwood is approaching “not a fan of” territory…)

People aren’t like this with the young pitchers. Why are the catcher lovers so insecure in their opinions that they accuse everyone else of hating their guy?

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just laughed

because I said “hate on” not “hate”. The Salty Hater topic is a different story as I have no part on that. However me saying “Why do people hate on catchers so much” just meant “Why do people have such a lack of respect for catchers” not “why do people personally dislike catchers”. I merely meant that people seem to lack respect for catchers because they typically don’t hit as well when compared to big fatties like Ramirez.

While I’m just joking about this size, I feel people don’t give catchers enough benefit of the doubt because their offensive stat lines don’t accurately match up to guys who play COF or DH/1B. However, when I rank a prospect I compare their value relative to their peers at their position. That is really all I meant.

Ramirez might OPS .900+ in the majors. That would be excellent. However, Joe Mauer only OPSed .779 last year. It isn’t that I’m comparing TT to Mauer, I’m not. I’m just saying Ramirez is better because he can OPS .900 sounds shortsighted to me.

"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."

by Prognosis Negative on Nov 21, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As a side note

I do realize Max Ram is a catcher, I just personally don’t see him sticking their long term or OPSing .900 from that position at the major league level.

"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."

by Prognosis Negative on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

People aren't like "this" on the young pitchers

because people just don’t trash them the way you (if you’re one of the ones who thinks he sucks and needs to go pronto, etc) do Salty. The combination of love for Teagarden and distaste for Salty is way, way overboard.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Salty sucks

though I’ve been labeled as that. And I did call him Saltalacan’thitanything- that was just trying to be funny.

I just think that his trade value is higher than his potential value to the Rangers, so I’d pick him as the guy who should be dealt of the 3 (assuming Laird is dealt also…)

by JBImaknee on Nov 21, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And to be clear, I don’t know what you personally think. I haven’t really paid much attention to who is more in what corner as far as catchers (other than that dirkatron and tricer have unhealthy love for MaxRam). Just speaking to the sentiment that is obviously popular here, and that I think is way too premature and impatient.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I voted for him.

That said, I don’t think anyone is hating on him. If Andrus, Main and MaxRam all finish ahead of him I find that acceptable.

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Andrus is great

but Main just sounds to be more polished. Its really close, but I’m listening to Jason on this one. For him to stop talking about Matt Harrison for this guy, Main must be the awesomest of the awesome.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 21, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I went with Elvis

Because he is closer to the bigs, but I got no problem with Main as it looks like he is going to win

by BEW on Nov 21, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I do not like the closer to the bigs thinking...

Kea Komantani(sp) is closer than Main to the bigs but does that make him a better prospect? I voted for Main but I could have just as well voted for Elvis but it is based on talent not who is at a higher level.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Valid point

I probably give weight to the closer to the bigs because I dont have the in depth knowledge that some on here have about the system and it is easier for me to judge the guys that are closer to the bigs.

by BEW on Nov 21, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Couch it differently, then

A player who has reached a higher level has fewer unknowns, more of a track record and is playing against better competition.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 21, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Closer to the bigs

To me, means more likely to play in the bigs. Everything after that is relative to position and opportunity within the team. It’s possible Main turns out to be a great choice, but I voted Andrus because there is little doubt he’ll progress to MLB.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I agree. You said it far better than I did

by BEW on Nov 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok I can go with that

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 21, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Guess which one of us...

is your 4th best prospect?

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That chick needs some tits

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 21, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Really.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

interesting that

Perez has 10 votes already. I can understand it, but its still pretty interesting. I guess some love the upside projectability factor, of course, even if i loved projection more than level so much id still vote Main over Perez.

by blalock84 on Nov 21, 2008 2:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I can't believe Max only has 11 votes.

I hate all but 10 of you.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

signed!

the magnificent 11 will decide the rest of the list!

by bushe on Nov 21, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DHs

don’t get as much love.

Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.

"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lies

u voted atleast with 5 different usernames.

Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 21, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Things I can do without...

in these polls are people bitching about LSBers “hating on” or the “why don’t you like” certain players. Come on guys, this system is stacked and it’s just someones opinion. Try not to get your feelings hurt just because someone doesn’t vote for who you would vote for. I’m sure they still like that player, they just happen to think someone else could be a little better.

That said, anyone who didn’t vote for Main is just stupid.

Beat those Cougs.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 21, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I concur.

As I said above, I voted for Tea, but I don’t think anyone’s hating on him. Even if I didn’t think the current winner was defensible (I do), I wouldn’t think it’s hating. That’s silly, but I’m also not sure anyone was serious about it.

Beat those Huskies.

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Opinion

It IS a statement of opinion has nothing to do with feelings. My feelings aren’t hurt that TT isn’t being picked now. I have no real attachment to him at all. My point, and the point of this should be, is to generate discussion. When getting this far in the vote I found it surprising that TT was getting as few votes as he has been and I decided to mention it. As well, I mentioned my reason for it. I find this a logical and constructive thing to do.

I find this to be a good forum to ask questions like these as there are many knowledgeable individuals that regularily post here. I feel I can trust this discussion and therefore feel like it is appropriate to ask those questions.

I feel very strongly that people typically disregard catchers because of their offensive numbers. I think they devalue them in rankings and fail to accurately rank them as relative to other catching prospectives.

I can understand people seeing Main’s upside and being excited about it. He’s a much sexier pick than TT. However the risk and bust factor for pitchers like Main is a lot greater and I feel the chance that Main contributes at the major league level is much smaller compared to the chance that TT contributes at the major league level. That is why and how I am choosing to defend my choice. It has nothing to do with feelings. It has all to do with opinions. And go Longhorns!

I could also really care less how anybody personally feels about these players.

"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."

by Prognosis Negative on Nov 21, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this is probably going to be one of the bigger blowouts we're going to have

imo

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 21, 2008 5:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ummm

See prospect #2. That one makes this one look like a photo finish

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 21, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Does TT still not deserve top 10

in bigsteve-o’s book?

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 21, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hes back end of the top 10

His cameo in the bigs last year probably put him in the top 10 for me

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 22, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

notice i said "one of the bigger"

but yes, you are correct that #2 was a bigger blowout

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 21, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Main

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 21, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

OT: 1992 NFC Championship

game is on NFL Network tonight. Listening to HS football, watching old school Cowboys, dreaming about the Rangers. What a way to start the weekend.
-Wes

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 8:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't make up my mind.

So I asked myself, “Who would Blake Beavan vote for?”

by shroomer on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

So I take it you're the one?

by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he is

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dude, as an aside ...

IMO, you shat on Chris Davis all the way up thru the system. You’ve shat on Taylor Teagarden all the way up thru the system. Lots of people are seeing those two as THE 2009 Ranger mostly-likely-to’s. You’re kinda like Kiker next season, eh? A lot riding on it? heh

by shroomer on Nov 21, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I shat on Davis?

by Brett Perryman on Nov 22, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I will say this

I am shocked how fast he moved and how well he adjusted to major league pitching, considering his plate control or lack thereof at lower levels. Definitely was wrong about that. I do think that I always maintained that his upside was enormous, though.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 22, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also

so if Teagarden doesn’t hit .270/.360/.500 like these people who think he’s a likely to seem to think, am I no longer a fool? Or does it just not matter what he ever hits because his intangibles just make up for all that? Also, I’ve always been uncomfortable being critical of Teagarden in any regard, because I think I’ve always maintained that he’s one of my favorite baseball players, even back to Longhorn days. But some of you guys, you’re really over the top.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 22, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Since this post is partially referring to me

from my “crazy Teagarden talk” from above, I’ll just point out that I am not assuming he’s going to have a .500 slugging percentage. I’m well aware that he’ll likely land closer to a 700 OPS than an 800 OPS. If he figures out how to hit, that’s a bonus. I don’t think most Teagarden fans here think he’ll hit like that, though I could be wrong.

I think the debate on Tea is a more basic baseball philosophy argument – how valuable is defense in a catcher? Since the value of catcher defense is probably the most difficult position to quantify (we know it isn’t just arm strength and PB%), it lends itself to subjective opinions.

So I can understand your approach to him. Its often better to look at what we can quantify – his bat – and we see that it isn’t worth getting too excited over. But I think there is plenty of room for people to have wildly differing opinions about him, as opposed to other players.

by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2008 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

did i read somewhere

that ppl thought teagarden would be more of a .240 hitter who walks and has some power or was i wrong?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

that’s the concern that scouts have had. There was also a question early in his career about whether he’d hit for much power, but I think he’s at least shown that he’s physically able to hit for power if he can find pitches that he can hit with authority.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 22, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs