You make your own luck
So after seeing Tricer and THE dirkatron go at it over Millwood and Padilla and hearing about how Millwood was actually decent this past year, I wanted to look up some numbers on them past just TRA, FIP, etc. Here is some interesting stats on both of these guys (stats are taken from FanGraphs and THT:
_______LD%_______BABIP____DER____K/9___BB/9
Millwood-25.3%_____.366______.645____6.67___2.61
Padilla-19.2%______.309______.697_____6.68___3.42
So from looking at that, its easy to see why Millwood has the better FIP, TRA+, xFIP, or whatever your defensive independent stat of choice is. But the LD rate makes things interesting. Millwood let a lot of line drives get hit against him which makes his BABIP and DER worse. His K rate also isn't greater than Padilla's which means that he simply can't be allowing that much contact to be made against him with a LD rate that high. When you look at Beckett or Santana, they're striking out enough guys to make up for the higher LD rate. Furthermore, the general rule with BABIP is that it should be about .120 higher than a LD rate. Padilla would then sit at around .312 while Millwood should be around .373. Here are some more stats to chew on:
_______Contact%_____O-Contact%______Z-Contact%
Millwood-85.6%_______74.4%__________89.7%
Padilla-81.6%________65.3%__________87%
This pretty much just shows that regardless of if the pitch was in the strike zone or out of the strike zone, hitters didn't have much trouble making contact with Millwood, holder of the 90mph fastball. High LD rate, high contact rates (16th highest overall contact rate out of all ML starters), and of course the unimpressive K/9 made Millwood have a poor ERA last year.
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Contact Percentage
Here is a rundown of the contact percentage for Millwood over the years.
1997 – 79%
1998 – 76%
1999 – 78%
2000 – 79%
2001 – 79%
2002 – 82%
2003 – 80%
2004 – 80%
2005 – 83%
2006 – 83%
2007 – 84%
2008 – 86%
That gives Millwood a career (excluding 2008 as it is not in B-Ref yet) contact rate of 80% and a career total of 80%.
Using ERA+ as a measure, Millwood three “best” seasons were 1999 (167), 2002 (128), and 2005 (146). Contact rates for those years were, respectively, 78, 82, and 83. Millwood was able to get 146 K’s swinging in 1999, 102 in 2002, and 83 in 2005. The Hardball Times does not have the line drive percentages that go back for 1999 and 2002, so it is hard to see if there is a correlation between LD and ERA+.
The contact rates for the three aforementioned years were pretty close to his career averages, so low contact rates were not responsible for the high ERA+’s. Millwood got a lot of swings and misses in 1999, but missed lots of bats in 2000 (133), but only had an ERA+ of 99.
As previously mentioned, I don’t have access to LD% for 1999 and 2002, so maybe a decrease in line drives is explains the high ERA+’s. Anybody have access to these stats? Is there a correlation between LD% and the ERA+’s in 1999 and 2002? Regardless, the contact rate needs to come down a bit. Of course, I am using ERA+ to define MIllwood’s best seasons, and this might be a mistake.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Nov 22, 2008 8:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i knew
there was something wrong with the ascertian that Milwood was only unlucky… after watching him pitch this year, he just never seemed to fool anyone and alot of the balls that were hit against him were pretty much ropes and not just lucky bloopers
LOL
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looks like I didn't make you angry enough
there’s no keyboard mashing.
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No, starting a new thread specifically to post your thoughts on a subject we were already discussing in a whole dedicated thread is more funny than infuriating.
Frankly I think all future arguments should be conducted this way.
Come to think of it I should’ve started a new fanpost for this comment.
Dang.
Too late now.
WHAT WAS I THINKING!!!
See, now mistakes like this frustrate me.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 23, 2008 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's a subject...
…that deserves it’s own topic.
Anybody who WATCHES the games would know that Millwood was not unlucky. He wasn’t completely god awful, but this is a guy the Rangers signed to front their rotation and he’d be at the back end of any decent team in baseball. Why? Because he gets hit hard. Doesn’t fool anybody.
Now you can come up with all the defensive metrics you want, but fielders are going to have a hell of a time handling a ball that’s hit 120 mph off the bat. Even ground ball singles are smoked against him.
by Black Francis on Nov 23, 2008 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
I watch the games.
Sorry that I don’t know what anybody in my position would know.
I still think he was better than Padilla last year and is a good bet to be better again next year.
But I should probably shut up about it before I get lynched and/or hobo-stabbed by the masses around here.
Jeez…
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by thedirkatron on Nov 23, 2008 3:41 AM CST up reply actions
well sorry, but I thought it was worth its own topic
seeing as how Millwood now gets his FIP constantly quotes anytime someone says something bad about him.
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Apology accepted.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 23, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
This whole argument is ridiculous
TDK is not saying any more than Millwood is not quite as bad as his ERA indicates. He’s probably also not quite as good as his FIP indicates, due to the line drive/contact issue.
It’s like dirkie is shouting MIllwood is worth $100 and others scream back No! he’s only worth $98! Or like local news broadcasts that report minor happenings as if they were major cataclysms.
Bottom line, as with the entire staff, injuries and defense made a bad rotation look even worse.
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The bottom line is that people really hate Millwood.
This shoddily researched fanpost breaks no new ground, reaches no firm conclusions, and really doesn’t give you any information you couldn’t get off Fangraphs, but it got rec’d to high hell in about 5 minutes cause people truly dislike Kevin Millwood and love anything that says “he sucks!!!”
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by thedirkatron on Nov 23, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
or because looking at his pitches
and the type of contact he allowed, its not really shocking why he had a subpar season. The defense behind him sucked, but Millwood did plenty to make sure he had another extremely overpaid, below average season.
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the shoddy research
belongs to those that kept parroting, “he was unlucky! look at his FIP!! he was unlucky!!! look at his FIP!!!!”.
In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.
He was unlucky, and you should look at his FIP.
So what’s your point?
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by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
did you bother to read the post?
Millwood was lucky this season. He allowed a BABIP .366, and his line drive rate would set the expected BABIP at .373.
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.007 constitutes lucky?
I would classify that as a statistical difference typically called “within the margin of error”, especially given the formula for expected BABIP.
Luck/Unlucky
How about we just call it what it is……he got what he deserved.
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by LSBUser on Nov 24, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It sure doesn't
make him unlucky and if he wasn’t that unlucky, he just flat out wasn’t good.
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by LAMuscleFag on Nov 24, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
right
but you might have missed the context of this argument, which was repeated claims that Millwood wasn’t bad last year, he was just unlucky. When you look at the league leading percentage of line drives that Millwood allowed, you see that he wasn’t unlucky at all.
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Well, in his defense...
check out his StatCorner sheet. According to them, he was pretty unlucky (recording 21 fewer outs than expected).
Without knowing a ton about the argument, I would say that looking at LD% might not give you the full picture here, especially given criticisms of our infield defense. Maybe his BABIP on ground balls would be a better indicator of luck/unluck or good/bad defense.
As a total aside here…I wonder if anyone has a ranking of pitchers with the highest BABIPs on ground balls. I think that would be an interesting experiment in determining value of infield defense.
My summation of all the points made
Millwood not only sucks, he sucks at being unlucky.
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That’s my point
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Should I live-blog it?
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by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
You ought to.
I’d read it.
What could be better than the Dirkatron giving live commentary on the Oscar award winning Picture Million Dollar Baby, directed by Oscar Award winning Clint Eastwood, Starring Oscar award winning Morgan Freeman and Oscar Award winning Hilary Swank. You know it must be greatness if it won 4 oscars and was nominated for 3 more!
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
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There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
pretty much.
Bring up Matt West '09
by inactive lsb user on Nov 24, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
I don't really see it
But the premise is pretty damn funny.
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The premise is esentially that they both suck and deserve none of the official award praise that they've received.
Also I really like that picture of Clint Eastwood. It’s so get off my damn lawn-y.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
"Get off my shortstop you damn kids!!"
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