Rangers after Tazawa
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 24, 2008 11:04 AM CST
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Jeff Wilson says the Rangers may have made a strong offer for 22 year old RHP Junichi Tazawa, who is a free agent over in Japan:
The coach for Japanese amateur pitcher Junichi Tazawa said the Rangers have offered the 22-year-old right-hander a multiyear contract that is more financially lucrative than any other team has offered, according to this story.
Jon Daniels, though, denied yesterday that the Rangers were going to meet with him.
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Why on earth would JD deny that?
Any team negotiating with him is going to find out the rangers talked to him…
Anyway the scouting reports have some skeptics but overpaying a couple mil to add another nice prospect is a good use of a couple mil if we do it.
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by DSheppard on Nov 24, 2008 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eh
This isn’t the posting process per se, but we saw how secretive bidding for Japanese players can be with Daisuke Matsuzaka’s posting.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 24, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unique situation can ruffle some feathers
The Japanese league and MLB have a handshake agreement that MLB teams will not go after amateur Japanese players. If I’m JD I’d give no comment on the situation either. You don’t want to piss them off by making a bid for Tazawa and then losing out to Boston, because then they’ll be pissed at you AND you lose out on the player.
by naropean on Nov 24, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what is the other side of that handshake?
that Japanese teams won’t sign amateur US players?
Sounds like MLB is being complicit in screwing young Japanese players. Why should they be forced to stay in Japan until they are 30 whereas a kid in South Korea, Taiwan, or any latin american country can have a go at it in the US?
by JBImaknee on Nov 24, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's that
they cooperate on guys who want to leave via the posting system. It obviously eventually leads to MLB just being friendly in hopes of growing their product in Japan, though.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strange
Usually JD is pretty up front on these kinds of things or at least one of those open ended answers.
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by Gdawg on Nov 24, 2008 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aki's probably on the phone with right now trying to talk him out of Texas.
“It’s hot and CJ Wilson will go on the internet and tell everyone what a douchebag you are and….”
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
Aki saved our asses by talking Fukudome into playing elsewhere. God what an albatross that contract would be on our poor little small market payroll.
Most Japanese starters have been big busts, and I’m hopeful that we don’t blow a bunch of money on a soft-tossing righthander with no stamina.
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by tricer on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems so long ago
that people were bitching about not getting that great OF that is playing like an MVP for the Cubs.
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by Gdawg on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but we also complained about not getting carlos quentin.
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by DSheppard on Nov 24, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
different case
I don’t think people understand how unlikely it is for even the best Japanese players to have success in the Majors.
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by Gdawg on Nov 24, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone heard anything on aki?
didnt he say he would try to come back this year?
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by DSheppard on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For all the talk about this dude hitting mid-90s...
Per Jim Allen, he struggles to throw 90. He also lacks stamina and the ability to keep the ball down.
Sounds great.
by LiamP on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i don't know, man...
150 km per hour sounds fast.
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by willamos2 on Nov 24, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*snigger*
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by lonestarJon on Nov 24, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
150 is good
Unfortunately he’s in the 143-145 range.
by LiamP on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In school zones
he slows down to 80 or so.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 24, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Allen's report wasn't very high on Tazawa
Tazawa, who stands 5 feet, 10 inches — “5-11 if you really like him,” Wilson said — will get a major league deal this winter but is unlikely to make it to the majors during that first season.
He has good command of his fastball and slurve, but he lacks velocity, stamina and the ability to keep the ball down.
by BHill on Nov 24, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for players
who played for teams named “Japan Oil” Good old Industrial League guys. And I don’t know about all these snide reports about the guy’s height. He’s short – so?
Honestly, I don’t know what to think. Most Japanese players are a crap shoot – I’d probably should be wary of him. But so long as we’re not hearing “We can’t sign X because of the money we wasted on Tazawa,” I don’t see a problem in it.
by JBImaknee on Nov 24, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Short, but built well
Looking at the video on the DMN blog he’s got a strong looking lower half with some movement on his pitches. I think he’s a very reasonable risk as long as the dollars aren’t too high. Stick him in Frisco and see what happens.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 24, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
greater risk?
Viciedo or Tazawa?
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by chrisR on Nov 24, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
viciedo
is he the cuban 3b or the dominican SS
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cuban 3b
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by DSheppard on Nov 24, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
negatives for tazawa:
not tall
not a lot of velo
not a lot of stamina
negatives for viciedo:
lazy/no good work ethic
cost more money than tazawa wants
not very good defensively at 3b
stats dont back up talent (back to lazy/no work ethic)
id rather have tazawa than vicideo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuban 3B
he is “19” and signed a ML deal with the White Sox for 4 yr/ $11 M.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
by chrisR on Nov 24, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more info regarding viciedo:
Q: Burke from Columbus, OH asks:
If the White Sox were to sign Dayan Vicideo, thanks to their connections made while signing other Cuban players who share Vicideo’s agent, where would he fit on this list?
A: Phil Rogers: Viciedo is a high ceiling guy, as everyone knows. I wouldn’t put him ahead of Beckham but maybe everyone else. At least 3, maybe 2.
from BA chat
meh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
keep in mind
that the White Sox have a bottom five farm. It gets pretty ugly after Beckham. They do have a CF named Danks who I liked before the draft, and they got him to sign late. If only we had an inside angle…
by clark on Nov 24, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea thats what i was thinking
weak system
danks is good, but he was also drafted (by the white sox?) after HS even though he sent a letter to all the teams saying he was going ot Texas
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
they have been on him a long time. I am just in an especially snarky mood today…
by clark on Nov 24, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda
is next, and while he’s kind of a FB only guy, he’s a very nice prospect.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
who is the guy from the same school who had a redic velo jump this year and was drafted (lefty?)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope Boston Signs Tazawa
Then they can possilbly sign one of their other targets and we can get Bucholz from them for Salty. I’m all for that.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Nov 24, 2008 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey did anyone hear that Jim Allen says
he can’t throw 90? Jim Allen wrote an article about him. Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen Jim Allen
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well he's no Tim Allen
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by Maximilian on Nov 24, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF the Rangers sign him
Where does he go? Bakersfield?
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by RangerMad on Nov 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would guess
Frisco, maybe Oklahoma.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 40
If he gets a ML contract then someone has to go from the 40. Any ideas about who that might be?
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Nov 24, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bannister?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to ask again
but what are the benefits of receiving a major league deal to the player? if the Rangers offered more money over more years but it wasn’t a major league deal, would that be a huge blow to the value of the offer?
by clark on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
major league deal
ensures that the player hits FA market after six years.
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by tricer on Nov 24, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but what about the report
that the Red Sox offered a three year deal at 1 million per year? I guess I am confused as to whether this is an amatuer signing, like a draft pick, or a free agent signing…
by clark on Nov 24, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's an international FA signing, just like the CWS and Viciedo a day or two ago.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so at the end of the deal
ML service time doesn’t really matter. For Viciedo, he signed a 4 yr, 11M deal, and he will get that money and be a FA after four years no matter if he spends three months or three years in the minors during that contract, correct?
by clark on Nov 24, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
there’s still arbitration on those contracts IIRC
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 24, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
FA is all about MLB service time. They’re basically just saying that they’re going to be paying him 11mm over 4 years. If after those four years expire he’s only had two full years of service time then the CWS would still control him for 4 more years.
The only exception is if a player has it specifically written into his contract that he will be declared a FA after his contract ends. Hideki Matsui did this, iirc. But other than that, you always have to accrue at least 6 full years of MLB service time before you’re a FA.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
as stated below service time trumps all. Typically, Japanese players that come over get clauses that promise they won’t be offered arbitration. Ending their contracts at three instead of six years.
by BHill on Nov 24, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I know Matsui had it but I thought he was the only one. Is it really that typical?
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by bigsteve on Nov 24, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll dig around
for examples, but I thought it was common. This is where I read it recently:
Scott (Seattle): Hey Klaw. I was wondering why Japanese players aren’t subjected to the same service time requirements (i.e. 6 years for free agency) as other players? Or pretty much why the Mariner’s were scared to lose Johjima after only 3 years.
SportsNation Keith Law: I assume you mean once they come here. Most of those players have insisted on a no-arbitration clause – when the player’s initial contract is up, he would be eligible for salary arbitration, but the club agrees in that initial contract not to offer it. It’s a forced non-tender. And it’s perfectly fair because otherwise those players wouldn’t get to be true free agents until they were in their mid- to late 30s.
by BHill on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe thats just for the older ones
Guys like Tazawa and Dice-K who come over in their early 20s probably don’t have those same clauses. But you could be right.
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by bigsteve on Nov 24, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but Tazawa and Dice-K are rare. The Japanese players are usually older so it would make sense that “most” have that clause.
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 24, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I found
that Kuroda and Okajima have similiar clauses to Matsui’s.
Matsui:
contract included clause requiring Yankees to sign Matsui to an extension by Nov. 11, 2005, or release him (effectively granting Matsui free agency after 3 years)
Okajima:
club must exercise option by 11/20/08 or allow Okajima to become a free agent
Kuroda:
Kuroda may become a free agent after contract expires
Both Okajima and Kuroda’s contracts are three year deals.
by BHill on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dice-k had it i am fairly sure
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He signed
a six Major league contract. He wouldn’t need the no-arbitration clause, but he did get a full no-trade clause.
by BHill on Nov 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cancel that then
thx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would if he had gotten optioned at any point.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it ensures he goes on the 40 right away, meaning we have to call him up within a certain amount of time or risk losing him to the rule 5.
FA market is still all about service time.
For instance: Borbon got a major league contract and his FA clock isn’t ticking yet.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Service time trumps all…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can something trump something else that trumps all? The only mathematical answer to this is:
The 40 = Service time
My universe is imploding.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 40 = service time?
Is my sarcasm meter broken?
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by bigsteve on Nov 24, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
It was a dumb, nerdy infinity joke.
“The 40” is like infinity, and “Service time” is like infinity raised to some high power. Mathematically, infinity, say, squared is equal to infinity. It’s the only way to work out how something can trump something that trumps all.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
wreck it
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by tricer on Nov 24, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, if you say so.
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by chrisR on Nov 24, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn't lose him to rule 5?
Getting a ML deal means his options start and that basically assures him he will either be in the majors within 3 years or a free agent lost due to being out of options.
The rule 5 is for guys who don’t have ML deals and don’t get added to the 40 within a certain timeframe.
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by bigsteve on Nov 24, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, you're right. Don't know why I said Rule 5. I think I've just got it on the brain today.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 24, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tazawa to Beantown...
No way Texas pulls this deal off, I don’t care how much $$$ they throw at him! Pitching & the Texas Rangers don’t go hand in hand….I’m more intrested in which one of the four catchers we’d have to part w/ in order to pry some pitching away from Boston????
by Pitching or bust on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
steal home?
save us?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
right on both counts ha. That last sentence of his made so sense. Im Ron Burgundy?
by Michael Cave on Nov 24, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no way
grammar is too good
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 24, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Joined 11/20, 1st post today. Seth doesn’t have that degree of advanced planning, or patience.
;)
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by Rodney on Nov 24, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw it
Lets go get us the Japanese version of Tim Wakefield
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 24, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
…but shes a WOMAN! — always sunny
my fav episode – the gang gets invincible – its less than 5 min in
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did you see the finale?
ridic. and oh so quotable.
by clark on Nov 24, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
but still didnt top invincible for me lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast, Max...
From EG:
I’ve talked with somebody familiar with Tazawa and the general thinking inside the baseball industry is that he’s signing with the Red Sox and everything else is just for show. There is some thought, in fact, that he already has a deal in place with the Red Sox. This is just me thinking, but the talk of the Rangers and other offers may be just chatter to get the Red Sox to sweeten their official offer.
And Timmy! said:
The Japan Times cites sources close to Junichi Tazawa saying that the Red Sox are front-runners for the 22-year-old pitcher’s services. However, the manager of Tazawa’s Japanese team said the Rangers made the most attractive contract offer.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 24, 2008 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So, the thinking is... if the Red Sox sign this guy, Buchholz becomes expendable.
Sorry, I’m not convinced.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 24, 2008 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
there are many that feel that way. A guy that would start the year at AA is not going to force a team to make a decision on a big time prospect that is ready to start the year in the bigs. Tazawa means nothing in regards to Buchholz being dealt.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 24, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess
he means something, just not a determining factor or anything. If there were a deal where they really were on the edge on including him, and one of their concerns was depth behind him, and assuming that they’re pretty high on this guy, I can see some sort of connection (unlike the Teixeira/Saltalamacchia thing the Boston media throws out there).
by Brett Perryman on Nov 24, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why would the Red Sox even be remotely interested in dealing a projected "ace" for a young catcher?
Because they need one?
Jason Varitek’s poor season at the plate wasn’t the difference in the Red Sox not making it to the World Series.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 24, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because the BoSox...
have a lot of starting pitching already.
My guess is they really value the catching position and their lack of depth there is their biggest concern. Although I agree with Z, I don’t think they are in as big of a corner as many here do, thinking that they HAVE to deal for a big time catcher.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 24, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they don't.
And, the Red Sox aren’t exactly teeming with starting pitchers. They have:
Daisuke
Beckett
Lester
Wakefield
Then you have Bowden, Buchholz and…
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 24, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those top 3...
along with any other 2 pitchers they have give them one of the best starting staffs in the league. Plus I figure they will sign someone like Burnett or Lowe. IMO that’s pretty good starting pitching.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 24, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's wait for that to happen first.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 24, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 24, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly, maybe
But if they sign Burnett or Lowe, yes Buchholz becomes more expendable.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 25, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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