Vacant Tuesday

Goldstein Q&A

Send me your questions!

http://www.bbtia.com/home/2008/11/25/kevin-goldstein-qa-send-in-your-questions.html

Kevin Goldstein Q&A

by jparks77 on Nov 25, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This just in...

The Rangers still have four major league catchers on their roster.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 25, 2008 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Lame

Max = DH?

by hiafex on Nov 25, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LF- Cruz (meaning he’s actually producing)
CF- Borbon (only if he learned to take a walk consistantly)
RF- Hamilton
1st- Davis
2nd- Kins
SS- Andrus (not happening yet but it makes me happy to see this instead of some jerk at 3rd base)
3rd- Young
Catcher- Tea (just makes too much sense to me to have tea and max as a combo- because of that it probably won’t happen)
DH- Max

Padilla (Don’t think his value is worth trading considering what little we’d prob get)
Hurley
Bucholz/insert whoever we traded for
Bmac (!!!)/ Harrison/ Feldman
Holland (only if ready)

Laird, Salty, Millwood (feel like he’s the opposite of Padilla- someone will value him more then we do) and Murphy (value is at a peak) traded. Not worth trading Byrd IMO…he’s got value to us while no one else really will give up much for him. Cat I don’t know…if we traded Murphy maybe he’d get an at bat or two.

I don’t know about anyone else, but that’s pretty much how I’d want to see a snapshot of our depth chart come July…and that’s a shit load of talent in that rotation there…so you never know what the ’09 season could hold if those guys were healthy and producing.

by slimshadty12 on Nov 25, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Blalock?

Injured by mid-season eh?

by hiafex on Nov 25, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I subconsciously put Blalock on the 60 day DL...

whoops. Anyway, if the dude could play a half way decent third it wouldn’t be a problem. I say try to find a buyer…package him with another player or two…maybe Laird, Murphy/Byrd or even Millwood.

by slimshadty12 on Nov 25, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've subconsciously put Brandon McCarthy on mine.

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by oc on Nov 25, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Positions

Although not the most important part of the wish list, wouldn’t you put Hamilton in LF and Cruz in RF? Hammy is a bit faster to the ball, and our LF is a speed field. Cruz has the better arm in terms of strength + accuracy, although Hamilton’s is possibly stronger (higher velocity). And each would have his glove on the foul line side of the field in play.

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by Ed Coffin on Nov 25, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True...

We’ll see how the plays out. I think without much thought that’s how it will play out unless Wash actually takes advantage of what you’re getting at.

by slimshadty12 on Nov 25, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Never thought about that

Is having a lefty in left and righty in right something teams think about?

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Nov 25, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

by Brett Perryman on Nov 25, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

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by oc on Nov 25, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know, Ed

thinking of Hamilton’s long term health and durability I might rather keep him in right and put Cruz in left. Cruz would still be a better LFer than many the Rangers have thrown out there.

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by t ball on Nov 25, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point

i do wonder if his cardio-pulmonary system is rebuilding, so the vascular system is a little better for durability. But grateful that he’s come as far back as he did.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 25, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As a Red Sox Fan...

… I’m trying to figure out what Texas fans think about the proposed trades with Boston in a “battery swap” of pitcher for catcher. Right now we’ve heard from JD that “he doesn’t have to trade a catcher” and Boston countering with leaks of other options at the position.

Which catcher would you rather deal, and why?

What do you see as a reasonable return and/or who would you like to get from the Sox, and how do you evaluate their talent?

I’ll add that it seems really, really unlikely that the Sox would deal Buchholz; I’m more interested in how Texas fans see the secondary and tertiary pitchers in the Sox’ system, but I guess I’d also be interested in knowing who you think Texas could add to Salty for Buchholz to even out that deal.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d be comfortable with either Salty or Tea going for Buchholz, and would rather deal Salty.

When JD asks for Buchholz he’s exploiting the Red Sox lack of good catching (system-wide), and the lack of it in the market. He’s believing the Red Sox need is urgent. I’d say he’s right…Boston wants to win for the next several years.

As for Boston pitching, what I’ve read is Masterson’s an excellent reliever who lacks a good CH to get LHH out the second and third time through. Underwhelming, even if the sinker plays great in Arlington.

Hagadone is of course hurt. That kind of ceiling makes him a good secondary addition.

I don’t know Bowden’s repertoire but I know his ceiling’s apparently #3. We’ve got some of those.

If Theo wants a throw-in for Clay, he can choose a starter outside of Feliz/Holland/Perez/Main, or a positional prospect outside Smoak/Andrus.

One iteration of this trade is Salty and Max for Clay and maybe a throw-in. That might address Ortiz’ decline along with the catching vacancy.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 26, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Addeundum

OK, having remembered Lars is there Max makes less sense. Max should also stay behind the plate to keep developing defensively.

Carry on…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 26, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Following up:

While I think you have a point regarding the lack of above average catching talent, I don’t think the Sox are willing to drastically overpay based on perceived need. Right now Texas’s catchers are at the height of their value. Given the fight for playing time they’re likely to encounter in ‘09 (and that Salty’s value goes way down if he’s a 1Bman) they both can’t increase in value, which means that this is JD’s best time to deal one of them.

Theo can easily see that the Rangers need starting pitching. I think part of the problem is that Salty isn’t a lock to stick behind the dish (if he was, I just don’t think he’d be available). Part of the deal is that both sides are going to have develop who they get: The Sox will have to work on Salty’s defense, and (in the version of the deal I think is most likely) Texas would have to help Masterson develop his changeup.

If Theo wants a throw-in for Clay, he can choose a starter outside of Feliz/Holland/Perez/Main, or a positional prospect outside Smoak/Andrus.

So basically no one above a B, or better than the Sox already have in their own system? That’s not much of a sweetener…

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The only reason Salty is available

is because of Laird, Tea, and Max’s presence. It doesn’t have anything to do with the possibility he doesn’t stick at C.

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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 26, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you could narrow this down to he’s only available because of Teagarden. Laird is a competent receiver, but he’s also a year away from FA and has only ever hit over 100 OPS+ once (and then only in 78 games).

Max is a DH, not a C.

I’ve been following Salty for years, and there do remain some questions about his defense (although I’m more positive about him than some others).

"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.

by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's still 3 starting catchers

And what makes you say that Max can’t be a solid C?

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because I have yet to see a report from anyone in the national media, especially Sickles, Neyer, or BA, say that they think he has a chance to catch.

Most of them think he’ll be really lucky to put on a glove and play 1B at the ML level.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably not as a full-time catcher, I agree

But he could be a decent back-up + DH. He wasn’t that bad in the games that he did play this year. He will not be a first basemen because he’s too short for the position.

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Max is a solid option

…at DH with a legit ability to step in and catch on a rare occasion to either spell your normal guy or to get in there in a pinch due to injury or otherwise. A DH that can step in to catch would be extremely valuable to any team. I think to say he has no chance to catch is sort of retarded, given that he has already caught many games at the MLB level.

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see that much wrong with Max's catching abilities

What does everyone have against them? Does he not have enough stamina or something? He seemed like a really tough and motivated guy after taking those shots at home plate last year.

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He’s big and doesn’t move well behind the plate. When he gets older and thicker he’s going to have almost no lateral range. HIs pop times are sub-par because of poor foot work despite an OK arm.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn't move well behind the plate??

What does he have to do besides stand up and throw to 2nd? I don’t get what he needs lateral range for, he’s not a SS.

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's gotta be able to slide side-to-side to block pitches.

And footwork super matters behind the plate. Pudge had a cannon for an arm, but perhaps the most impressive thing was how quick he was able to pop up and set himself to unleash those freaking lasers.

That said, I think people are too down on Max’s defense. Below average defense is fine if you’re slugging the crap out of the ball like a V-Mart or J-Pos.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand that footwork matters

I just don’t think a catcher has to move that much laterally to block pitches and I’m pretty sure Max can move somewhat. If Max lost a little bit of weight, do you think he could become an average defensive catcher? With average defense and an amazing offensive side, he would surely be an All Start, right?

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Max

doesn’t need to have the body of an Olympic diver to have ok footwork and block pitches. But that’s not why you like Max, if you like him. You like him because you think he’ll create more runs than his lack of defense will destroy.

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by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know he doesn't

But if he lost say… 15 pounds, that would increase his mobility and save his knees when he has to pop up to throw to 2nd. I don’t see how it could hurt.

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the buttiffs.

Yah, if he lost some weight and gained some mobility and pryability that would help.

But I’m not sure where you’re going with this.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know either

I just don’t want Max traded.

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ditto

on the footwork. Pudge had it in spades, in addition to a strong arm.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

gagree

I think people are way down on the defense also, but I think for a team like the Rangers with alot of young pitching coming — you might want a better defender back there.

But again, if you can have a .900+ OPS I’ll take VMart/Piazza like skills back there

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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 26, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's really only OCD who says he's not a catcher.

…citing “national media” as not mentioning he is a catcher.

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Um, no.

I think everyone agrees that he plays catcher now.

But if you can point me to someone who thinks he’ll stick behind the plate, by all means, I’d love to read a different opinion than pretty much every other writer covering the minor leagues.

Now, the context of my opinion is looking at Texas’s catchers is in terms of a potential deal with the Red Sox, and the Sox have been constructing their teams with an eye towards defense (I also understand that Texas seems to eschew this practice), so I’m pretty sure that they’re not interested in Ramirez to replace Varitek.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Addon

Those are all probably A or B+ prospects. I think Salty plus a B or B- prospect is enough to get Bucholz. Guys like Beavan, Kiker, Boscan, etc.

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by bigsteve on Nov 26, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that's enough, but then I really value Buchholz as a potential ace.

I mean, Salty + say, Beavan or Kiker is a nice package, but I don’t think it’s worth giving up a still-very-young potential ace who’s dominated in AAA and shown flashes of dominance in the bigs.

Hopefully I’m wrong, but I doubt it.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't do Salty + Beaven/Kiker for Buchholz

Plus, the value of Salty is “at the height of his value” right now. He is having a good run here in winterball, but to say his value is high after a disappointing show last summer is way off. This is not a proposal trade for someone at their height for someone at the low point in value. It’s a proposal for two pieces which would probably be more valuable to the other club than to their club. Sox getting Salty/Teagarden and Rangers getting Buchholz makes more sense for each team than for each one to retain that player.

That’s not to say that there won’t be a throw in piece, but it’s not going to be Beaven or Kiker. Is Beavan even available to be traded yet? Has he completed the minimum time since being drafted?

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Buccholz is a young potential ace. You have to pay through the nose for those. Always. And even then a lot of the time a team won't trade them just for fear they'll blossom.

I just don’t see him getting dealt for a package centered around Salty. Like I said, I hope I’m wrong. But how many guys like Buccholz have been dealt in recent memory? I can’t think of a good parallel off the top of my man-brain.

And to answer your question: Yes, C-Wun’s been in the org long enough to be dealt.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, those guys are super expensive.

And no, I don’t think Salty for Buchholz straight up gets done, ever. My point is that #1, Salty’s value is not as high as it can be (contrary to OCD SS). #2, with the Sox (potentially) adding even more pitching in Tazawa that probably knocks Buchholz farther down the depth chart where he doesn’t need to be, they can afford to trade him for something they need.

The deal with an add-on from the Rangers makes a lot of sense for both teams. Each team would value the player acquired more than the player given up, given the realities of each system. Because I’m not Josey Wales or something, I can appreciate that with the MLB pitching logjam that the Sox have and the MLB catching logjam that we have, it does make a lot of sense to see a Salty + for Buchholz.

I think the debate is what the plus could (or should be). Obviously not Feliz/Holland/Main, I say not Beavan, and I doubt Hicks lets JD trade his first round pick for anything.

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

2 things:

1. To be clear, the point you reference is accounting for both Salty and TT’s combined value. Salty’s can go higher (and so can TT’s) but if the other is not playing, he’s losing development time and thus is value goes down. But, I don’t think Bowden straight up would get Salty either.

2. Tazawa will start in AA if/when he signs; I don’t think he’s ahead of Bowden on the Sox pitching depth chart, let alone Buchholz.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I want no part of Bowden

For any catcher, period. Masterson would be ok, Buchholz should be the target.

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s a proposal for two pieces which would probably be more valuable to the other club than to their club. Sox getting Salty/Teagarden and Rangers getting Buchholz makes more sense for each team than for each one to retain that player.

Not really true. You need at least 5 starting pitchers. Your second catcher can contribute depth/ injury insurance, but he can’t add wins on the field if he’s not playing.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who are you referring to as your second catcher?

And the Rangers don’t need 5 starting pitchers, we just need another potential ace to make sure that one of them reaches their potential. :]

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, that was kind of confusing:

In regards to the post I quoted, if both teams keep their players and don’t deal; I don’t think it really affects the Sox since you really can’t “block” a pitcher. If Buchholz gets his act together the Sox could just put Wake in the pen.

The equation would be the Sox with Salty, but without Buchholz vs. with Buccholz and whomever they got somewhere else to catch for Bowden or Masterson (say Anderson from the Cards).

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is this Anderson a potential All-Star catcher?

Salty is only 23 and has an amazing offensive upside, don’t forget that he’s a switch-hitter as well. I think that if the Red Sox really want the best catcher for their team, then they’ll trade from a position of strength in their farm system and send Buchholz because the Rangers are not likely to take a pitcher with a ceiling of a 3rd starter since there are several of those already on the pitching staff.

by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s a recent report on Bryan Anderson.

I think the Sox would rather have Anderson + Buchholz over Salty + Masterson or Bowden.

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by OCD SS on Nov 26, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I too view

Buchholz as that type of pitcher however I still cringe at giving Beavan up. I think his velocity returns to working in the low 90s. I mean the biggest beef people seemed to have with him was his lack of velocity and K/9 rate however his WHIP was impeccable.

I havent seen his new mechanics in person (I know I will in Frisco this year at some point) but the biggest problem after seeing him pitch a few times in HS was his recoil on his arm which looked painful to me, a fellow pitcher. I realize this is hypothetical however where you rank him if simply two things changed from last year? His K’s went from 73 to 110 while working 90-93 like he did in HS.

by Michael Cave on Nov 26, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I heart Beavan too.

I have it at ten overall in the system right now, which is higher than most, I think.

He did a lot of things very well last year despite the velocity drop and lack of K’s.

He walked almost no one (1.49/per 9) and had a great gb/fb ratio.

But I’d still package him with Salty/Tea to get a guy like Buchholz.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i wonder if daniels is "allowed" to make that trade

it’s very similar to the bmac trade in a lot of ways.

The thing about buccholz – I think there is an excellent chance still that he becomes an ace but he is coming off a down season. I feel like trading him for Salty would be fine if buccholz became a bust. But anything significantly more…

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by ab03 on Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wake me

when the winter meetings start up, can’t stand this time of year !!!

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by Ryin A on Nov 25, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

No, I think I'll discuss how AJM left us high and dry today

And you know he’s not going to post much because it’s a “holiday.” God, this makes me so mad. What do you expect me to do? Talk with friends and family???

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Nov 25, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Evan Grant's rumor mill:

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/rumor-mill-moving-on-after-tazawa.html

" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.

by Kinslerhomer on Nov 25, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Vic to San Diego

So would Rojas head a deal for Peavy or just be a sweetener? If you throw Knoxie, does that get the deal done?

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 25, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

You may want to put a consumer poll into the San Diego Union-Tribune before inking Knoxie into the equation.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 25, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, here's some small news from Grant

1) Seattle might want to talk to Adair about joining Wakamatsu’s staff. Would be a huge blow to us if he went there

2) Victor Rojas is probably going to head to San Diego to work there.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/rumor-mill-moving-on-after-tazawa.html

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 25, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Did the RSS feed get updated?

You people are taking Rodney’s job…

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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 25, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LoL!

I have been working too much today.

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by Rodney on Nov 25, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x

The only one I hate is Jim Knox. He is irritating during baseball games and his sideline reporting on FSSW is just awful.

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by FuturePants on Nov 25, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just

change the channel whenever he appears on the TV screen.

Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.

by RangerMad on Nov 25, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x

I have refused to speak to him at a game for a segment in the Fox Box.

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by FuturePants on Nov 25, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tsk

Should the Beatles have refused to speak to Ed Sullivan?
Should John Lennon have refused to speak to Dick Cavett?
Should Muhammed Ali have refused to speak to Howard Cosell?

by shroomer on Nov 25, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cosell had chunks of Knoxie in his stool

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

by Brian Thomas on Nov 26, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's pretty low dude.

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by oc on Nov 25, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

huh... what?

that’s pretty simple good if you ask me.

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Low?

It’s not like I insulted Knoxie and told him to fuck off; I just said “no, thanks” when he was up there looking for an interview subject. He moved along and found someone else. I was still on TV and still on the jumbotron, but didn’t have to endure one of his retarded interviews.

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But Knox.

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by oc on Nov 26, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Teams eligible to participate in Rule 5 Draft

Teams with 40 players on their roster are ineligible to participate in the Rule 5 draft on December 11th. There is a note at cots (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2003/01/important-transaction-dates_03.html) that December 8, 2008 is the last date that teams can outright a player from the 40-man roster prior to the Rule 5 draft. I take that to mean that the Rangers can outright a player between now and December 8 if they decide that they are interested in one or more players who are eligible to be drafted. Is that correct?

by spurdynasty on Nov 25, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

They can

also make a trade with a team if they want to get a player via the Rule 5 draft, iirc.

by coolaid on Nov 25, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Texas Rangers Analyst - Michael Schlact Profile,
Mike Grouse Interview,
TRA Newsletter

by Andy Seiler on Nov 25, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's not

what was said last Thursday. but it’d be good news if it were true.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 25, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DOG-GON-IT

how do you link to a specific comment?

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 25, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You have to click on the commenter’s profile and link it from there…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 25, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or

you click on the timestamp (Nov X, 2008). That is also the link

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by ab03 on Nov 25, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

x2

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 26, 2008 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Team eligibility for participating in the Rule 5 draft

It seems logical that teams would have an opportunity to review players that are available for the Rule 5 draft before committing to clearing a spot on their 40 man roster.

by spurdynasty on Nov 25, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Catchers

The overall catching depth in the farm is getting some love over at BA.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/267236.html

by gtx on Nov 25, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Alright, WTH is Matt?

He’s gotta be a member here, right?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 25, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't say I'm shocked that Aaron Fitt

would exclude Santana because he played elsewhere this season or that he would rank the other guys based on level and defensive flash.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 25, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not that surprised either

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanksgiving

so what’s the main dish for Thanksgiving? A Turkey, a Ham? Or both?

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 8:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Turkey

Ham for Christmas

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 25, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The big gobbler for sure

we always do both for Thanksgiving and Christmas. My aunt actually brought a prime rib roast once.

My sister tried doing the Turducken last year and it was not that great. Of course most all thought it was good. But I didn’t really like it.

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not really big on ham

We do mostly turkey for both but have ham for those who like it.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 25, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not really that big on the Ham.

However, I do like the spiral sliced honey glazed ham.

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta have turkey and it has to be deep fried.

I did go to a Chicago Italian Thanksgiving one time and had all kinds pasta dishes. What the hell did they do for sandwiches the next two days?

The whole experience was like going on a trip to San Franciso … all very nice to visit but I couldn’t wait to get to my own place to eat Turkey.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 25, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

deep fried Turkey

noooooooooooo. To damn with that deep fried idea.

the Turkey needs to cook in the oven for hours so we can have the smell and aroma fill the house with Turkey Thanksgiving

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Turkey

Gonna try frying it this year. Been thawing for several days now. Let’s hope for no explosions!

by hiafex on Nov 25, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no... just bake that bird

baste it every hour.

I’m getting hungry

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fry it.

Fried turkeys (turkies?) are much more succulent and delicious than roasted birds.

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by FuturePants on Nov 26, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably chicken

But there’s only going to be 2 of us this year, so we’ll go light.

by venturafearsnolan on Nov 25, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This..

Fox Sports’ Jay Glazier reports Browns QB Brady Quinn is lost for the season after doctors determined that his broken finger has gotten worse since he tried to play through it.

Could have been this..

Fox Sports’ Jay Glazier reports Cowboys QB Tony Romo is lost for the season after doctors determined that his broken finger has gotten worse since he tried to play through it.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 25, 2008 9:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Mavs

Finding a way to win.

by brettgardner on Nov 25, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

to bad the Stars are not

damn I just hated to that Brenden Morrow will miss the rest of the season after tearing his ACL

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That does suck

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Nov 25, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully they'll be able to take someone good in the draft

Not sure why the defense/goal-tending has imploded this season.

by hiafex on Nov 25, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BaD Radio curse was delayed a season.

Morrow out with an ACL, Witten with bad ribs.

by LiamP on Nov 25, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jim O'Brien

overthinking sending Ford to the bench.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 25, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

At least

they’re fun to watch again right now.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 25, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where the hell did

Antoine Wright come from tonight? Also, Ive always liked Daniels as a player. Thought he got a raw deal from AJ.

by Michael Cave on Nov 25, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah me too

There was a lot of talk today about how he hasn’t really been healthy for a couple of years, and now that he finally is, he’s putting up a fairly solid 16-6 line. Avery didn’t like him, and he’s certainly not a complete player (no outside shot to speak of), but he is a pretty good player, and it was a total waste to give him away, just like all of the veterans that were brought in during Avery’s time were wastes. I wish we still had him. He’d be a nice guy to mix in, especially with Stackhouse potentially drifting off.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 25, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you are right on

every point. I always liked the idea of having howard and daniels on the floor together.

by Michael Cave on Nov 25, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not

Convinced. I agree that he’d be an excellent bench guy, considering the strengths of his game, but my god, he has the worst shot this side of Ronnie Brewer. Plus he’s maddeningly inconsistent.

While he’s worth more than Austin Croshere, I don’t think he’d be putting up monster numbers here.

by brettgardner on Nov 26, 2008 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i just think it is weird to talk about keeping daniels

he was so long ago, he would have had to survive through a ton of iterations. shawn bradley is the only guy i can think of that stuck around that long.

I’m glad he is producing now, but we basically would have had to sit him on the bench waiting for him to get better/stay healthy for 3 years and that wasn’t going to happen

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 26, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gagree.

by brettgardner on Nov 26, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I want Blake Griffin.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 26, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Nice player, but not a guy I’ve ever missed.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Nov 26, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wright

he’s a Aggie I think.

by thetudors on Nov 25, 2008 10:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I know where

he is from literally. I was just talking about how he scored 24 tonight after not showing much this season.

by Michael Cave on Nov 25, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sometimes you have to explain things for hurlerhurley to understand.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 26, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Adair to M's?

link

The Mariners are expected to name Texas Rangers minor-league pitching coordinator Rick Adair, an ex-Mariners minor-leaguer, as Charlton’s replacement.

Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 25, 2008 11:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Cock.

by LiamP on Nov 25, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

@#!^

#$
&#$%

by hiafex on Nov 25, 2008 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

darn

by Brett Perryman on Nov 26, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fuck the Mariners

And while we’re at it, Adair too. Dudes going to go from supervising one of the best minor league systems in baseball to coaching the M’s pitching staff. What a comedown.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 26, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

He’ll be a bullpen coach, and that’s a step up from minor league pitching coordinator. You can’t reasonably blame Adair for taking a better job.

Hopefully we replace him with someone half decent.

by LiamP on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

Yah, I know… this just kinda feels like I’m back in high school, and my girlfriend just dumped me for that stupid football player again. After all the high praise I’d seen on Adair, and seeing the results of his work in the farm system, I really, really hate to see him go, especially to a division rival. That stings.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 26, 2008 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The M's staff has some legit pieces in place.

Morrow and F-Her are very nice.

No idea what to expect outta Bedard, though.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 2:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

F-Her?

I don’t even know her.

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by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 7:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Shitty.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If players...

and the league view pitcher development in Texas as such a problem, is losing Adair and going with someone else that big of a deal?

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 26, 2008 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It is if the club felt like Adair was the guy to finally get us and keep us on the right track development-wise.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 2:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely

and if he really is as good to have in that position as I think he is, the chances for a replacement that equals him are small. A lot of arms took big steps forward and I hate to mess with that in any way.

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by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 7:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Crap

where will MJH get his info now?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 26, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MJH on Adair

Adair says no one in Seattle has contacted him.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/update-on-seattle-rick-adair.html

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 26, 2008 8:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I hope it stays that way.

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by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's not the key quote there though

This is:

If in fact the M’s are going with Chiti as pitching coach, it’s almost a lock that Adair will join him as the bullpen coach. The relationship between Chiti and Adair extends far beyond their time with the Rangers. Both broke into coaching with Cleveland in 1987 and, I believe, they are brothers in-law.

And then of course this:

In my opinion, the loss of Adair — at this moment in time especially — will be a significant blow to the Rangers development program.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 26, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

minorleagueball

Great Boston/Texas trade discussion…

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/11/24/669603/boston-red-sox-organizatio

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 26, 2008 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Great

might be a strong word. TX and Boston partisans each promoting their own favorite proposals.

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by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Between mlbtr commenters coming out and saying Buchholz is flawed, and mlb commenters saying there’s no way Boston trades him, I find the latter is more realistic.

I still think Buchholz can happen.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 26, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you're right.

But I really really really REALLY (really!) don’t think you are.

Really.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What if they get Burnett or Lowe?

This is another way of asking how strongly they need a catcher. And I’m being a little lazy with research here, but I still think Texas is where available catching is.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Nov 26, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i just don't think teams sacrifice a whole lot for need

can you think of trades where a team gave a better deal because they really needed a position?

throw in the fact that we are talking about pitchers for catchers, I just don’t see it happening. Catching is important, but I don’t think the red sox would mind a whole whole lot if they just had to stick varitek in there for a little bit – or just some other catcher for a package that didnt’ include buccholz

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 26, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Keith Law's take

"Shane (Boston): If the Dodgers were to offer Russell Martin to the Red Sox, what would it take? And would you do it?

Keith Law: I’d deal Buchholz for him. And I still really, really like Buchholz. I think the scarcity at the position makes Martin’s value more than Buchholz’."

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=23438

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

by Brian Thomas on Nov 26, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

another way to think about it

if they can make it through may with varitek, and have buccholz pitch like a real up and coming mlb starter, then buccholz is out of any trade talk and texas would probably be happy with a masterson or a bowden, right?

i feel like boston can wait

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 26, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What if they get Burnett or Lowe?

So what, that wouldn’t change Buchholz’s value as a pitcher. If I’m running the Red Sox I might like signing one of those guys, but I’m still going to ask for a lot more than Salty or Teagarden in return for Buchholz. His value is not lowered just because they sign another pitcher or two.

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by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

His value won't lower but your need for him will

Right now he is what the 1st injury replacement and won’t break camp with the big club? You still need a catcher for your big league squad. If you signed a FA starter then Buch gets bumped down to your 2nd injury replacement and you would still need a ML catcher. Knowing you have a better 1st injury replacement would make it easier to deal Buch for Salty knowing you are getting a young ML starter back at a position of need. We would probably still have to add something to Salty but not much

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 26, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs