LSB Community Prospect Project: #9
by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 1:08 AM CST
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8 down, a lot more to go.
After 260 votes, Martin Perez has won the right to be called the LSB Community #8 prospect!
Over 50% again, but this next one is shaping up to be a real battle.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland.
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
Time to move on to the vote for #9.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 listt from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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Borbon again for me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 1:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, after reading the last thread
I’ve got to agree. #10 is going to give me real trouble as well though… right this moment I’m thinking about putting Boscan there over Hurley or Beltre.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 26, 2008 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Borbon for me this time
Next I’m going Beltre, Hurley, Boscan.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 26, 2008 7:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Irish Coffee here
too early for a double shot…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 26, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I went with Beltre.
TOOLS!!!!
A player with this much talent can’t be left out of the top 10.
by Butters on Nov 26, 2008 2:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
after Beltre, I have...
10. Hurley
11. Borbon
12. Boscan
13. Beavan
14. Poveda
15. Vallejo
by Butters on Nov 26, 2008 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should be happy it's not easy to rank these guys
but this is going to drive me crazy.
Borbon
Boscan
Hurley
Beaven
Beltre
And dirk can you add Gomez? Some people have been put off by his injury last year but every time he took the ball he pitched well and deserves to have his name mentioned. Even if most of these people won’t vote for him out of fear of his arm fatigue last year.
by Hull Fan on Nov 26, 2008 3:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One order of Kennil Gomez, coming right up.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 4:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about some Joe Wieland on the side?
Seems about the right time to add him as well.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 26, 2008 7:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Name...
Since you’re going by the Baseball America Formula (130 AB/50 IP) instead of Rookie status, how about adding Warner Madrigal? He only reached 36 IP this year for the Big League Club.
Here's to players whenever they hit into double plays. It's the only time in professional sports where I can definitively say, "yes, I could have done better."
by YourNameHere on Nov 26, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, meant to add him this time. He's going on next along with Kennil.
Might wait a time or two on Weiland just cause, frankly, it’s annoying typing like 25 names into the poll everytime when nobody votes for most of the last guys on anyways.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
laziness is not accepted
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 26, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh crap!
I suppose I’d better leave now…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 26, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Heh.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 26, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good call
i thought he was ineligible…
Dirk, I would add o’campo and Strop when we get to the late teens…
by Goyogringo on Nov 26, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems
a popular consensus is Borbon, but I’m just too tempted by Beltre’s tools and his potential.
Afterwards:
Borbon
Boscan
Hurley
Poveda
Beavan
by jonthefon on Nov 26, 2008 4:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah first beeatch.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Nov 26, 2008 6:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
or maybe not......
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Nov 26, 2008 6:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 26, 2008 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I finally voted Hurley...
…after much agonizing over Borbon and Beltre.
I tend to lean towards ceiling over proximity to the majors but I felt it was finally the right time to vote for Hurley.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Nov 26, 2008 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I votet Hurley for the first time also
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 26, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
I voted for Hurley as well. He looks to me like a solid case of flunking out of the Rangers system, winding up with the (insert random trade partner here) and having relative sustainable success. With that, I have to vote for him as a top prospect.
Borbon = Oddibe McDowell.
"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."
by Heebs on Nov 26, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
relative sustainable succes
when you walk over 3 players/9 (almost 3.5 at AAA) and give up 1.16 hr/9 (~1.7 in AAA) its tough to have sustinable success
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unless your in petco
or some place like that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta go Borbon
A very very solid first professional season followed by a great little AFL stint where he was adament about working on an area of weakness gets my vote. Will go Beltre next (assuming Borbon wins) followed by Boscan, Kiker, Beavan, NeRa, and Hurley
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 26, 2008 8:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Beltre -- Tools, Tools, Tools
A quick check of the prospects with the worst K/BB ratios in the organization yields these 2 players: Engel Beltre and Christian Santana. That’s the opposite of tools for me.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
by rodcarew on Nov 26, 2008 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Borbon then Hurley for me
Borbon’s winter league stats are just so nice to see that he gets the edge over Hurley IMO.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 26, 2008 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm undecided
Someone sell me on what prospect they think should go here
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 26, 2008 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
too many choices
i cant decide between borbon,beltre and boscon. The 3 B’s
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Nov 26, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just another in the long line of great Julios.
Cesar Chavez
Iglesias
Jones – Roll Tide Roll
Borbon
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 26, 2008 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have an idea!
Let’s name a street after him…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 26, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would there be any "Don't Walk" signs on this street??
some jokes write themselves…
by bking on Nov 26, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They really do...
Still a good one is a good one.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 26, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This guy was pretty good too.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
by txranger7 on Nov 26, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes he was
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 26, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope
Eric Hurley does not win the next poll.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 26, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because of his flyball tendencies
And his not-so-overwhelming performance in AAA last year.
by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fly ball pitchers can't be good pitchers?
by Telegraph on Nov 26, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When those flyballs go out of the park, no
I just don’t think he’s a right fit for our ballpark. He doesn’t really have overpowering stuff and his command is a little iffy. I’d pick Boscan over him because of his groundball tendencies.
by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He does sometime have the Benoit syndrome
of outrageously missing locations to the worst part of the plate possible, but he has some good pitches in the arsenal and his command is good when he is not channeling Joaquin. If he can refine the changeup a bit more, I think we will be more than happy.
by Telegraph on Nov 26, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like him to not leave the fastball up in the zone like he does
Which is why I like Boscan over Hurley.
by hiafex on Nov 26, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because our organization
has better prospects. but he continues to get a lot of love b/c at one time he was our top pitching prospect.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 26, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
the Rangers have better prospects. They are listed as #’s 1-8. I voted for Hurley not because he used to be our top pitching prospect, but because I think he will be better than many are giving him credit for.
I believe someone else mentioned how funny it is that when someone gets close to the bigs then their prospect status does down. It’s easy to make an argument for Hurley in the top 10 imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 26, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
feel free to make your argument...
others will too. Nonetheless:
I really hope Eric Hurley does not win the next poll.
And I’ll vote to prevent it.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 26, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+10000000000
hes not a better prospect than a lot of guys wo will be behind him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't Youtube, dammit!
My goal is to get to 1 TB uploaded this long weekend…I can’t afford the bandwidth.
You just stop teasing my, mister.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 26, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat significant talent dropoff after #8
Tough call.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 26, 2008 8:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah sure
Our next 5-7 would be top 3-5 on most systems and top 2 in others
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 26, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uncertain
Are you mocking me or agreeing with me?
I’m guessing it is the former, and if so, you missed my point entirely.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 28, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is where
their lower level pitching starts to kick in. I agree with your comment, and I’m not very comfortable ranking guys like Neil Ramirez and Wilfredo Boscan at this point, but the fact that they have so many who are really intriguing is one of the key positive features of this system.
It’s a bit of a trap, as you’ll usually see homer fans of clubs with mediocre-poor systems say that their system may not look great now, but because it’s really young, a lot of that talent will move up, and the system will really improve in the eyes of others soon. It usually doesn’t happen for obvious reasons.
But even with trying to be self aware on that, I would maintain that after this first group of players, the most exciting thing that they have working is that so many of these arms are legitimate prospects. When you hear respected national commentators say things like “it’s just remarkable how much pitching they have” you know that it’s not homerism.
Anyway, I just thought that it was time to point that out, as I had the same sort of thought that you did when I looked at the candidates here. I went with Hurley, fwiw, as he’s still a promising guy if he can regain his FB and stay healthy. Borbon is a good candidate, though, and I don’t see any problem with ranking him here, personally (I know you may disagree on that).
by Brett Perryman on Nov 27, 2008 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto all that
I woulda gone with Hurley had he not gotten injured. Borbon’s cuspy obviousness isn’t edgey enough for me. Too tough to choose from Beltre and the 2nd tier arm swarm. So I went hardcore BITA+ and took the guy with the 98 mph cheese. I’ll probably be able to decide better once Borbon is off the board.
by shroomer on Nov 27, 2008 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do YOU see with hurley?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see a guy
whose one can’t-miss trait [Hossness] deserted him at the most crucial moment of his baseball career to date. He sorta lost me there. He can get me back if he answers the bell every 5th day next season and continues grinding his axe into a serviceable rotation piece. I know you totally disagree, so keep your powder dry for somebody more on the fence than me.
by shroomer on Nov 27, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hossness
that really is the most attractive thing about him, and what makes me think of Helling’s no fear attitude with less than astonishing stuff.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 27, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but is having the hossness
or the bulldog mentality worth a spot in the top 10? hell no.
what makes hurley that much better than hunter?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh,
I have Hurley at #11. His stuff is better than Hunter, IMHO.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 27, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where do results matter though
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could say the same about Kiker
Hopefully he turns a corner and busts out next year…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 28, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of that
No need to thank me for validating you…:)
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 28, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
voted for Hurley
Out of guys closest to the majors that are still on the list, I would be most afraid of losing Hurley. He’s a guy who, if traded, could bite us in the ass like Chris Young or John Danks—talented, fly-ball prone, and just perhaps a tweak or a confidence boost away from being a good #2/3 starter. Borbon is good, don’t get me wrong. But if we trade him and he goes off and becomes Juan Pierre with a few more home runs it just wouldn’t irk me as much.
Obviously Boscan can be pretty good in a couple years as well, but I haven’t heard anyone saying he’s in line to be any more than a mid-rotation starter. Hurley pitched fairly well for a rookie in Arlington his first few starts, while Boscan pitched in the Northwest League. And for me Boscan’s distance from the majors knocks him a tick behind Hurley’s fly-ball tendencies. Remember—Helling was a fly-ball pitcher.
by naropean on Nov 26, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He’s a guy who, if traded, could bite us in the ass like Chris Young or John Danks—talented, fly-ball prone, and just perhaps a tweak or a confidence boost away from being a good #2/3 starter.
eric hurley hr/9: 1.16
dont even bring danks into the convo because he was flat out horrible 2 yrs ago and until he learned the cutter he wasnt worth anything
chris young isnt a bad comp but he is helped more from the ballpark and the defense than probably any pitcher in BASEBALL
young and hurley arent bad comparisons, but chris young wasnt that good in texas either folks…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man
you are on a anti-hurley crusade this morning
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 27, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
have been for weeks lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
comps weren't my point
Both Danks and Young went on to be successful pitchers elsewhere after people were worried about their profiles as pitchers in our ballpark. In the case of Danks he learned the cutter, and Young was finally trusted by his manager to go out and pitch well (in Petco). People are saying the same stuff about Hurley’s pitching profile, and it’s legit. But I’d rather trust him to figure it out, because he is a talented pitcher.
My point was only that I voted for Hurley because he’s the guy I would least like to see in another uniform between him and Borbon, the other guy I had been considering.
by naropean on Nov 27, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
danks is like gallaraga – no one saw it coming
danks doesnt learn the cutter and you can see where he was last year and where most ppl wnet into this year
young is helped as much by his park/that defense than anyone else
My point was only that I voted for Hurley because he’s the guy I would least like to see in another uniform between him and Borbon, the other guy I had been considering.
fair enough
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of people saw Danks coming.
The “Oh well he learned the cutter” is a nice and simple explanation for his sudden success, but he was a top10 draft pick turned highly regarded minor league prospect who flew through the minors averaging 9+ k/9 along the way and got a full year of major league experience to learn on the job in ’07. There was plenty of reason to be high on the guy coming into this season.
I don’t know that many saw him being this good this fast, but plenty of people saw this sort of thing coming for the guy. I don’t see how he’s analogous to Galarraga at all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 27, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the thing people didn't see with Danks
is him becoming a top of the rotation guy (number 1 or 2 starter). I think as he was closer to the Majors, it started looking like he would become more of a number 3 type of pitcher.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
That’s where I’d say the cutter came in.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 27, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well at the time we traded him BA had just come out with their Danks comments
and basically said if he got a little better control of his curveball he’d have a good chance of reaching his ceiling as #2 starter. If you look at his numbers he kept his k-rate high and seemed to be able to make adjustments as he moved up level-by-level. Plus he was always very young for where he was pitching, which counts for a lot.
I think a lot of this is more indicative of the fact that we tend to sour on guys if they struggle even a little in their early exposure to AAA/MLB. The fact of the matter is that, apart from a tiny number of special cases, every pitcher struggles at some point in their ascent to the bigs. Stuff that worked for them at the lower levels because they were “Just that good” no longer flies and they struggle a bit. The good ones, though, find a way to adapt. But it seems like we don’t want o hear about stuff like that. As soon as a Danks or a Hurley gets hit around a little and no longer looks like the second coming of Denton T. Young, we roll our collective eyes and move on down the trough to some bug-eyed 19 year old who’s still all shiny and unblemished.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 27, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt his age played in his favor
I’m just saying that it was more likely he would be a number 3 before he was traded. Top of the rotation guys are rare and he might have ended up as a decent number 2, but I think his slight struggles in Frisco and Oklahoma made him much more likely to be a good number 3. Even the BA article didn’t say it was a guarantee he would reach his number 2 starter ceiling.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course nothing is guaranteed.
And as for the rest of it, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I thought his ratios were strong and that there were a lot of reasons to be high on him going into ’07.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 27, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
saying he would be a good number 3 isn’t really a knock on him. To throw out a Major League example, I’ve debated with some people about how James Shields is a good number 2 starter. That’s not saying he’s a bad pitcher, he just isn’t quite good enough to reach that next level. That’s how I feel Danks was at that time. He went on to learn a cutter which helped him take it to the next level and then some, but its hard to project a pitcher learning a new pitcher.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt about that.
Paragraph 2, I mean.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 27, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
saw danks coming
re chedk his stats from 2 years ago
to say that he was going to be very good after he was horrible then is saying a LOT
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
He was not horrible in ’06.
That’s dumb.
In AA:
10.64 k/9
2.86 bb/9
3.73 k/bb
Then in AAA
9.17 k/9
4.33 k/bb
2.12 k/bb
He did have some gopher troubles, but his ratio’s were strong. He obviously struggled a bit adjusting to the more professional approaches used by AAA hitters and the walks came up a bit, but he was a 21 in AAA with a history of battling through early struggles at each level.
How the fuck can you classify that season as horrible?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 27, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait
i meant 07 with the whitesox
10.36 hits/9
1.81 hr/9
3.5 bb/9
7 k/9
1.54 whip
my bad
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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