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LSB Community Prospect Project: #10

9 down, a lot more to go.

After 214 votes, Julio Borbon has won the right to be called the LSB Community #9 prospect!

A pretty close bout, actually. Borbon won with 38% of the votes versus Eric Hurley's 29%.

The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland.  
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon

Time to move on to the vote for #10.

The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.

And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.

NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.

 

Resources:

  • MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
  1. 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
  2. RH Starters 1-5
  3. RH Starters 6-10
  4. RH Starters 11-15
  5. LH Starters 1-5
  6. LH Starters 6-10
  7. Relievers 1-5
  8. Catchers 

 

Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.

Poll
Who is currently the #10 prospect in the Rangers' system?
1b/OF, Mitch Moreland
0 votes
2b, Jose Vallejo
1 votes
SS, Joaquin Arias
2 votes
SS, Marcus Lemon
0 votes
OF, Engel Beltre
66 votes
OF, Greg Golson
0 votes
RHP, Warner Madrigal
2 votes
RHP, Eric Hurley
103 votes
RHP, Kennil Gomez
0 votes
RHP, Tommy Hunter
1 votes
RHP, Neil Ramirez
7 votes
RHP, Blake Beavan
26 votes
RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
17 votes
RHP, Wilmer Font
0 votes
RHP, Thomas Diamond
1 votes
RHP, Omar Poveda
0 votes
LHP, Kasey Kiker
0 votes
LHP, Robbie Ross
0 votes
LHP, Tim Murphy
1 votes

227 votes | Poll has closed

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Yay, Borbon is finally off! I get to vote for someone new!!!

And the new guy…

Blake Beavan. Captain Wonderful. C-Wun. C1.

BITW, bitches. Believe. In. The. Wonderful.

Even if the velocity doesn’t return and the K’s stay relatively low I still think he can thrive as an Andy Sonnanstine/Derek Lowe/Hideki Kuroda/Chien Ming-Wang-type who succeed by inducing lots of weak contact and groundballs, keeping the ball out of the air and never walking a gosh darn soul.

And if the velocity does come back up even just a tick or two… forget about it. If that happens it’d put him on the fast track to becoming the best darn #2-quality big league starter he’s ever seen.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 27, 2008 4:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Im very surprised he has dropped this far

Oh how the wonderful have fallen!

How bout a Smoak and a pancake?

by rchawk12 on Nov 27, 2008 11:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AFL videos

Sharp videos, nice list. Includes Jones, Smoak and Tracy
Matt Wieters – looks like a player from the 1920’s or 1930’s to me.

by shroomer on Nov 27, 2008 4:52 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enie menie minie moe...

I think I’ll go with Boscan. I’ve pretty much gone with ceiling over most other factors so far in these polls, so I might as well continue to do so. I still like Hurley too and I don’t want to overlook him, but every time I go back over things in preparation for one of these polls, I seem to find someone else to put in front of him. Whatever that means.

Engel Beltre is also tempting, with all the reports of his raw tools – but frankly I just don’t see any results yet, and that horrid BB/K rate bugs me. Looking at his numbers collectively, I see that his walk rate has been cut almost in half each time he’s moved up a level, and reached a new low this year – I find that disconcerting, especially considering we had him on plate discipline programs this year as well. Anybody have any thoughts to offer on him and his discipline?

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 27, 2008 4:55 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He led the MWL in hits last year

Walks can be learned. Basic contact is something you either can or can’t do. Beltre has it already and should not only develop power as his body fills out and matures but also getting that mentality to take walks. The old saying “you don’t walk your way off the island” I think does carry some weight with him.
Also I think people are viewing him as a leadoff hitter because thats what he was for Clinton last year when i think he will end up as a middle of the order guy. Walks aren’t as important for those guys.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 27, 2008 11:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurley

I voted boscan last time, but i’ve changed my mind and gone hurley this time

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 27, 2008 7:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's weak

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 27, 2008 10:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats weak?

b/c he’s not the sexy young guy?

im sorry im not into young sexy guys. Im way more into older proven sex commodities

by blalock84 on Nov 28, 2008 1:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this disturbs me on many levels

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 28, 2008 5:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was gonna ask

for German Duran to be added soon, but I see he barely missed the cutoff with 143 at bats. It sure didn’t seem like he got that much playing time last year, did it?

Anyway, I know several here (including myself), saw Duran as a ML starting caliber 2B last year, and know it seems like he may not even be able to hold onto the utility job for long if Vallejo is being groomed for that role. Does anybody still see him as ML starter quality? That beautiful 300/346/525 line he posted at Frisco as a 22 year old seems like so long ago.

In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.

by tricer on Nov 27, 2008 7:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beltre

but I almost voted Hurley and I can certainly see Beavan votes as justified here. Boscan is coming soon for me, as is Ramirez, but I’m not quite comfy with either of them at #10 in this stackededest of systems.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 27, 2008 7:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurley

yet again.

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 27, 2008 8:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's time

to add Pimentel to the list.

"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer

by rodcarew on Nov 27, 2008 8:48 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurley

The 3rd time

I don’t know why Hurley is being so underrated here…

by chase1971 on Nov 27, 2008 9:26 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurley

I don’t understand that either. He’s being put behind pitchers who haven’t even smelled AA yet. That doesn’t make sense.

by Darrell McKown on Nov 27, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hurley

he fell in my opinion because he didnt really dominate AAA , but looked good in his limited time in the bigs last season. Being hurt so much last year didnt help when people have a what have you done for me lately mentality.

Also, the guys who have barely sniffed AA just have so much more upside than Hurley ever had.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 27, 2008 9:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

because hes not that good

is he likely to make it to the majors? yes, hes been there

is he likely to make an large IMPACT at the major league level? not unless he suddenly learns that the gopher ball is not a viable major league quality pitch

will he probably be a #4/5? yes
will be be more than than? no

in my eyes his k/9 is too high, he gives up way too many HR (he would be good in petco, but not TBIA), and he has been pretty fucking horrible at AAA.

his last good portion of a season was at AA, and he clearly failed to make the jump to AAA successfully.

…and dont use his four starts in the majors. his k/9 was 4.74 and his bb/9 was 3.28

o yea, and 24 IP screams small sample size

(((you had to know this was coming from me lol)))

o yea, and its a damn shame that hes in the best system in baseball’s top ten

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurley

The poor AAA performance is what caused him to slide to me. I still think he has the talent to be a #3-4 pitcher.
He’s still top 10 for sure, but not top 5 in this stacked system.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 27, 2008 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has the talent

if he can stop giving up HR all the damn time

or if hes in a park that maximizes his weaknesses (good defense + big park, ie chris young)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unfortunalty

rangers = not so good defense + good HR park

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

hasnt been “good” from a stats viewpoint since then

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its been so much worse than guys like Boscan

You know guys that haven’t even pitched in full season ball yet.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 11:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you would take proven mediocrity over potential excellence?

If Hurley had been acquired via trade, and put up the last two seasons here, as opposed to being drafted and being considered our top pitching prospect as a youngster, he wouldn’t TOUCH the top 10 on these rankings.

by venturafearsnolan on Nov 27, 2008 2:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait...

Hurley is proven mediocrity?

by chase1971 on Nov 27, 2008 2:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

the only thing I see is that a top draft pick who has done great through AA while being one of the younger guys at each level and has spent a year struggling in AAA.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 2:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more than struggling

he was flat out gawd aweful

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 8:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the difference between

gawd awful and struggling? This past year in AAA, he struggled with allowing hits and has had the problem with the HRs, but otherwise, nothing in his peripherals shows him to be that terrible.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 9:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you

are way, way over exaggerating a half of a season of below avg pitching. If you say he was gawd awful in AAA and put alot of weight on that, then why not put any weight on his strong string of good starts in the ML until his injury?

by blalock84 on Nov 27, 2008 10:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6 ip – 4 er, 2 hr, 0 bb, 3 k
5 ip – 2 er, 1 hr2 bb, 5 k
6 ip – 2 er, 0 hr, 3 bb, 1 k
5.2 ip – 1 er, 0 hr, 2 bb, 3 k

4.74 k/9
3.28 bb/9
1.81 hr/9

say it with me, SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

stats at AAA (13 starts):
5.3 era
10.37 hits/9
1.81 hr/9
3.5 bb/9
8.68 k/9

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 11:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

13 starts

I don’t know how someone can go from one of the Rangers best pitching prospects of all time to being passed up by a 17 year old and a CFer who can’t draw a walk because of 13 starts.

If Holland struggles in AAA this year, does he go from #1 to #12? And does this mean he’s a proven mediocrity?

I agree with Hurley dropping some, but not out of the top 10 from 13 starts. Give him a chance to actually prove he’s overmatched first… which I don’t think he is.

by chase1971 on Nov 27, 2008 11:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

13 starts previously at AAA
7.24 k/9
3.44 bb/9
1.60 hr/9
8 hits/9
1.27 whip

essentially hurley hasnt been good since the first half of 2007 when he was at frisco.

the jump from AA to AAA is very difficult, and clearly hurley has not yet made that jump

AAA stats:
6-12, 26 starts
148 ip
28! hr allowed
131 k, 57 bb
1.41 whip
5.11 era

if holland struggles this year and main, perez, feliz, etc all take a huge step forward, yes he should drop.

hurely drops because of the fact he hasnt shown ANYTHING at AAA in 26 starts (essentially a full year)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 12:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

look at the stats if you put hurley in the top 10 there is a good arguement to put kiker in the top 10

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 8:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except

that Hurley has a longer track record and was pitching at higher levels of competition.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 27, 2008 8:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and was sucking at higher levels of competition

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has Kiker pitched above high A?

The jump from high A to AA is huge and pitchers that are able to successfully make that jump are much more likely to do something in the Majors.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2008 9:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the jump from AA to AAA is huge as well and hurley has yet to make the jump

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 10:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That jump is hard too

but not as big as the high A to AA one. I still don’t understand how you can drop Hurley out of the top 10 when he has already shown he can handle the Majors and then honestly try to compare him with Kiker, who has yet to pitch above high A. Kiker has as many starts as Hurley has just in AA.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 9:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yah the two biggest jumps in pro baseball are the jump from A+ to AA and the jump from AAA to the bigs.

Not that the jump from AA to AAA isn’t big, it’s just that I think those other two are much tougher.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Nov 28, 2008 9:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For me

it was that jump from Little League to Babe Ruth.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 28, 2008 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has FOUR STARTS and he can "handle the bigs"

the guy hasnt handled shit since AA

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 6:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what would you call his starts in the Majors?

4 starts (excluding the injury one)
22.2 IP
.253/.316/.464 line against
3.57 ERA
Between his AA outings and his Major League outings, Hurley has shown that he has a great shot of at least being a good bottom of the rotation starter.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 7:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would call it small sample size

and if you call it anything else your delusional.

FOUR STARTS

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 9:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay

so all his starts in the lower levels, his starts in AA, and his starts in the Majors all suggest small sample size and he will be a huge bust. His one season’s worth of starts in AAA clearly show he can’t make it in a ML rotation because he didn’t succeed right away at the age of 21 and 22.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 2:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what has he done since AA to say he should be good?/

jack shit

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 6:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well lets see

Since he was in AA in the middle of 2007, you’re being pretty harsh on a prospect for not dominating in AAA in the one year he was there. You act as if his stint in AA was 3 or 4 years ago when in reality, it was just a year and a half ago.

And you continue to ignore that he looked pretty solid when he was up in the Majors. If he was as terrible as you suggest, he would have gotten shelled when he was in the Majors.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 7:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i went with neil ramirez

but it was a toss up btwn neilram/boscan (who i really really like) and beltre (with beavan right behind them)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:46 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think boscan could end up at the #10/11 spots in some ppls top 10s

of the major publications

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boscan

he’s the one thats so hard for me to rank. Initially i went boscan last round, but i’ve changed that to hurley. If hurley goes here then boscan is certainly #11.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 27, 2008 9:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why did you change your mind?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no real rational reason

I just decided that hurley was a top 10 player, sure he didnt do much at aaa and there wasnt a big sample size last season but i still think he’s top 10 talent even in this stacked system.

Boscan has huge upside and is certainly #11 for me (based on the list we are working with here)

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 27, 2008 10:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurley for me.

And kok can just suck it!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 27, 2008 11:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 6:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey rodney

moved to opera 100%

any other computer suggestions olol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 27, 2008 6:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ever clean, defrag,

or compress your registry? That can make a huge performance dif…since you asked.

:)

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 28, 2008 12:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

o yea i do that lol

i meant program wise though haha

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 12:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's this one great program called

I Love Eric Hurley.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 9:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eric hurley is like firefox.

some think its the best program out there
some are on the fence
some think it is an inferior browser to opera, IE and iron/chrome because of its memory suck.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 6:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

memory

small price to pay for the great performance. Opera would be good if it actually was compatible with sites.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 7:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i havent had any problems with opera

and i use a LOT of internet sites. only one i have had any kind of issue with is my local banks site which is screwy with anything but IE (firefox/chrome) but once i log into the database its in there is no prob

and i use a LOT of sites

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 9:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and hurley hadnt had great performance since AA

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 9:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you park the KOK - EH Crusade for just a few minutes, please?

You’ve beaten this horse from every which direction.

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 10:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's starting to resemble

My first-half Salty crusade.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 10:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and you know what

we were both probably right.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 6:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beltre

I went with the toolsy OFer here. I know all about his walks, or lack thereof, but hes just so damn talented I had to put him here. Hopefully this year the Bakersfield coaches will move him out of the leadoff spot and into a more power, run producing spot. Ultimately I think thats where hes gonna end up in the majors. While his walk rate still isn’t impressive no matter where he is in the lineup I think it was viewed even more harsher by people due to the fact he was the leadoff hitter last year. He led the WL in hits as an 18 year old which tells you he can put the bat on the ball. Unfortunately out of the two skills, hitting and walking, hitting isn’t something you can teach. You can refine it and maybe get a little better but if you have trouble putting wood to leather you aren’t gonna make it. Plate discipline however is something you can work on. As Borbon showed in AFL this year if you go in making it a focus you can make it better. It may lead to more Ks but as the old saying goes “you can’t walk off the island” I think that holds true in Beltres case. Let his body develop and fill out and put him in the 5 hole this next year and tell him to work the counts more. His strikeout numbers may increase but so may his walks. I envision an OF in 4 years of Beltre, Borbon, Hamilton from left to right. Beastly

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 27, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Went Beltre as well

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 27, 2008 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

well put, Grande Esteban.

by Butters on Nov 27, 2008 8:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

Can’t teach consistent, solid contact, but you can teach him the strike zone.

Great point re: 1 hole vs. 5 hole…..

I rolled w/ Le Beltre as well.

Freddie King rules faces.

by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2008 9:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 27, 2008 10:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very good pts

I agree however i did go with Beavan. Beltre was tough to pass up. He is a guy that could easily vault to the top 3-5 in our system by the end of next year.

by Michael Cave on Nov 27, 2008 10:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake Beavan

His velocity will return and his k/9 rate will increase. I cant wait to see him dominate in Frisco.

by Michael Cave on Nov 27, 2008 4:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're gonna have to wait awhile

I don’t see anyway possible he sees Frisco before August. More than likely not until 2010

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by bigsteve on Nov 27, 2008 4:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He will be a roughrider

next year (you are right most likely not until the end of the year) . His velocity will return because he changed a few things mechanically thus a whole offseason of long tossing and repeating those mechanics will strengthen those throwing specific muscles.

by Michael Cave on Nov 27, 2008 5:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not trying

to stir shit up, but what did he change mechanically, I’m interested in knowing.

I’m all about this kid, need info to fluff him up to the BB haters in my life.

Freddie King rules faces.

by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2008 9:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

His arm had a big time jerking motion previously. His follow through had a really bad recoil. Now (and ive only seen video) his motion is much smoother. To me he always seemed like he was pitching like a kid who was just told when he was 6 to throw as hard as he could anyway he could.

He seems much more relaxed now. Much smoother and has more of the fundamentals down (equal and opposite, relaxed finish, etc). I think as he learns to get quicker through the release (like he was in HS) while still keeping the relaxation in his motion his velo will increase. Also, his arm motion seems a touch longer which can cause different muscles to be used that arent as strong as the other muscles he was using but in the long run have more capability of being stronger and more durable.

by Michael Cave on Nov 27, 2008 10:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope.

Unlike some, I am very excited about what BB did this year. To dominate as he did, without the velo he once had, and walk freakin’ nobody at all, bodes very well for his future, IMO.

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Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Nov 28, 2008 12:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

im a glass half full guy like you… lets hope he does b/c damn we got a guy who’s a freaking stud if we do.

by blalock84 on Nov 28, 2008 1:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes we do

and Ill be more than happy to eat my words if he doesnt. I definitely think that he will be a part of the “next” wave after feliz, holland, hunter and with kiker and main.

by Michael Cave on Nov 28, 2008 2:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, I thought

you were saying he’s made mechanical changes since the end of this season..

Yeah, I saw that video of him before the draft, it made my arm hurt.

I agree, his arm just needs to get used to new arm motion….you are referring to the slow-twitch muscles right? Atleast that’s what they were called back in the day.

Have a good one.

Freddie King rules faces.

by Ryin A on Nov 28, 2008 8:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when do you see Main getting to Frisco then??

Around the same time, or earlier?

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by hinduplaya on Nov 27, 2008 10:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If his Fall League

performance is any indication then I would think slightly earlier. It seems the Rangers arent afraid to push pitchers who have success (i.e Feliz, Holland, Hunter, Harrison).

by Michael Cave on Nov 27, 2008 10:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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