Momentus OT Development: I Followed Sharky's Advice
Sort of. Well, I actually did take him seriously. And while he's a scoundrel for not paying off his debt to ab03, I have to hand it to him on this one.
In a thread not too long ago he (as well as others) advised me to go with Vista and just buy the computer instead of building my own. That's exactly what I ended up doing and so far I'm annoyed but fairly pleased.
At 5am I was there at Best Buy not just to pick up the computer I ordered last night, but also to take advantage of a monitor deal they had going on. Got the second to last one of those...a nice Samsung widescreen. Also got a video card so I could run dual monitors. Haven't set that up yet.
So I get home and install the video card. Hook up the new monitor. connect the mouse and keyboard. Then, fearful of the horrors of Microsoft VIsta, I booted her up. Of course it had nine billion updates to download, but really it's been working great ever since. My mom's crashes ALL the time. In fact I had a lot of trouble with it yesterday while I was there for thanksgiving.
It's going to take some getting used to, but for several reasons I think I'm going to like Vista. And I'm writing this for two reasons. To give Sharky his fair due, and to say that those of you who said photoshop and stuff wouldn't benefit from a 64 bit system were dead wrong.
The computer I bought is a quad core Intel. Six megs of RAM installed, and I can get up to eight in there. Vista, as large as it is, boots up in a 1/4 of the time that XP does on my old desktop (to be fair it is messed up). Photoshop, Photomatrix, and Neatimage are only 32-bit apps but boy do they fly. Photoshop itself will open in three seconds. THREE seconds. 1 gig files are easy and fast to work with even though I also had a browser, e-mail client, anti-virus, and whatever else running in the background. Compared to what I had (Pentium 4) and my laptop (dual core Intel), this thing is a super computer.
And, finally, I have a question. The box came with a 300w power supply. The graphics card I bought isn't exactly state of the art, but its "requirement" was a 300w PSu. So the question is, worst case...what would happen? Would it screw up other components? The graphics card? Or would the power supply simply die? Would windows give me some kind of warning? The case has loads of space in general, but the power supply looks like a pain in the ass to change out.
Final questions: I've never worked with dual monitors and I haven't set them up, either. Is it difficult? With the wide monitor I got today there's less of a need for it, but it would still be nice when I'm working on my actual job. Anyway, I don't think I'll get into that until tomorrow...just wondering what kind of time I need to set aside.
PS -- Sharky isn't going to like this but either I'm going to partition the drive or buy a separate one and dual boot XP pro. Just in case.
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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 5:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
quesiton
how big is your tower?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ahmm...
6", unless of course I’m really excited.
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by slc ranger on Nov 28, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would consider having your OS on one disk and your pictures on another
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same idea
lol good ot hear
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dont i remember you said you use an online backup system as well?
if so which one?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Well, now and then I’ll burn DVDs of RAWs.
by Black Francis on Nov 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There shouldn't be a problem with the dual monitor
It should just be an option under the graphics properties where you would adjust the screen resolution and such. Installing the video card would be a bit more complicated, but once you get everything going and connected, it should be easy to deal with.
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by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well there is
I installed the video card before right after I took the tower out of the box. Just now I decided I’d go ahead and try dual displays, but it’s not working.
On my left (secondary monitor I have the same wallpaper as I have on my right. And that’s all there is. No icons, no nothing. I can’t drag anything over.
by Black Francis on Nov 28, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha...
I didn’t realize you could drag the little pictures of the monitors around. Easy fix.
by Black Francis on Nov 28, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wattage issues.
Your computer would likely freeze awkwardly if your video card ever zapped all 300W. That isn’t likely to happen unless you’re using it for video games or doing lots of video rendering.
For regular Photoshop-type stuff, you might never run into this, but a dual-monitor set up could push it. I’d recommend a power supply upgrade.
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by NoNameOnCard on Nov 28, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this makes me very happy for the organization
that you know this
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by ab03 on Nov 28, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He’s good with technology and all that shit.
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
its also possible that drawing more power via the motherboard than the psu can put out can damage components, though mostly likely case is things just simply wont work correctly.
With video cards not having a proper powersupply will often cause corrupted graphics.
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by rentz on Nov 28, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
can never hurt to have a better power supply
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will look into it
…although for now everything is running quite smoothly. Maybe next weekend…I’m computer weary after moving so much data and re-installing so much software. The only trouble I’ve had with software is my GPS stuff, but I had more trouble with it on XP if I recall. Switching computers is never fun but this has been pretty painless.
by Black Francis on Nov 28, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd be surprised
I’d also suggest a PSU upgrade. Whatever the cost is, it will likely be much less than the alternative. I’ve had blown PSU’s cost me a lot of money in computer parts.
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad
You are having a positive experience with it so far. I held onto Windows 2000 Pro until it was clear Micro$oft had stopped support for it. Went to XP, it’s been rock solid and not consumptive (I do nightly disk cleanups and weekly registry repair). When there is no more XP support, I’ll be missing for about three days, going to a pure Linux environment. Have already transitioned to only open systems office, have no surprises or issues using “whatever” browser. I guess being a person who janitors his system as much as he uses the applications on it, I just don’t want to ever have to go beyond 1 Gig of memory or an 80 gig HD. But then I don’t game, don’t download or use streaming media, am not a photographer, and no longer have to keep auditable archives.
Good to hear somebody has gone to Vista without emotional scars and bodily injury.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 28, 2008 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey ed
have you looked at windows 7 yet?
thats my plan for next weekend/this week
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 28, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not an expert
But the guy I talked to at Microsoft said they’re still pretty deep in development. There’s a beta out which I guess is what you’re referring to. He anticipated complaints about the beta and said there was a lot of work left to be done. 2010 at the earliest.
I don’t know why they’d bother a release if that’s the case…I guess they’re trying to find something out about it.
by Black Francis on Nov 28, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Windows 7
No, haven’t yet. I used to be on one of the beta lists (NT 5x or rather Windows 2000) but don’t get any more notices or offers to load up a beta since I turned down everything after 2000 (5.12). My nephew says get back on the list, he thinks it will be good (after a couple of betas get exhaustively used and reported back). I guess my affinity for Linux is from corporate back office decision support integrating real time and back office systems. Every machine a little server, and working in concert with other OS or online UNIX is no problem. I like systems that do everything you instruct, and only what you instruct.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 29, 2008 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never understood...
the problem people have with Vista. I don’t mind it at all. My machine isn’t top of the line or anything, and the gaming I do isn’t real hardware intensive, but I haven’t had any negative experiences with it.
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by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have.
Like I said my mom’s laptop crashes about every ten minutes.
Plus there were the leaked recordings of the Microsoft VP complaining about Vista: “I now have a $2000 e-mail machine”, referring to his laptop when VIsta first came out. It shipped on a lot of computers that had no business running it. I still think if someone were buying a low end machine they’d be better off sticking with XP. But I’m a believer in Vista now as long as you have the hardware to run it. The good thing about the 64 bit Vista is you can tap into a lot more resources than you can with 32 bits, and so you end up way ahead of the curve. My computer was less than $700, too. Add another $100 for the video card.
And laptops do have a hard time with Vista because most of them don’t have good graphics. My mom’s is a dual core Intel with 2 gigs of RAM and not only is it slower than hell, it’s unstable. I wouldn’t even try to run Aero mode with it. So I definitely see the problem that some have with it, and Microsoft does too. That’s why they’re rushing to get Windows 7 out.
by Black Francis on Nov 28, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got Vista on my laptop...
with 2 gigs of RAM and it’s not bad at all. I’m planning to put 4 gigs in though in January when I get my signing bonus with my new job and all.
Overall I agree though, Vista has gotten n extremely unfair rap. It’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. I find it to be a lot more stable than XP when run correctly. I think in the 21 months I’ve had this laptop that I could count the crashes I’ve had on it on one hand, and most of those were due to my pushing the limits mroe than the system itself.
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by rangers85 on Nov 29, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe its just because I don't care to learn
but I’ve had a lot of problems with Vista and connecting to the internet while never having these problems with XP. I tried to help a friend fix his internet for a few days and we got nowhere (even after calling customer support). In the end, his computer magically got fixed (we have no idea what happened), but there was something wrong with it that wasn’t happening when we connected XP to it. That’s just one of the many problems I’ve had with Vista and connecting to the internet.
Plus, Vista just sucks.
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by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 2:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VIsta
my problem with it is that it’s windows first of all and second that its an even more bloated version of windows.
Though I’m biased I only use windows at work where I have no choice.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you do realize you can turn off a *lot* of the bloat right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes i realize that
i still dont like it, i dont think it’s any worse than xp honestly i just dont like either of them. Though at least xp requires fewer resources
it’s particularly bad when you have to use a locked down vista pc at work and cant turn off the eye candy, etc.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh yea that sucks
missed that you probably dont have access to that stuff @ work
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh, thanks I guess
RE Vista: Yeah of course it gets a bad rap due to all the unnecessary MS hate floating around out there. Like any reasonable person thinks a huge company like MS that is the OS on how many hundreds of millions of computers out there, and has how many OS’s under it’s belt to iterate on, is just going to push some turd OS with huge gaping problems out? Yeah right.
I like it better than XP because I think it has a lot of under the hood security improvements too. Everything is just battened down a lot tighter. If you read about some of the stuff about how the Vista kernel is locked down from the rest of the system and stuff, while in XP it isnt.
It has it’s annoyances, just takes getting used to. I dont like the admin prompts, you can turn those off with these instructions though
But just generally I like being on the newest most supported OS, yeah.
All that said, the aero stuff I hardly use, and I think OS is becoming less important, as the point of a PC is pretty much to get to the internet now. I mean Vista’s nice and all, but after a short time it’s kinda just “eh”. It does what it’s supposed to.
They make a version less demanding version without Aero called Vista Basic, which would make it look 2D like XP I guess, that ships in a lot of low end stuff.
As for the 64-bit stuff, AFAIK the performance improvements of 64-bit arent a big deal. Talking like 10% or something in certain cases. The big thing is the 4GB RAm cap in 32 bit. With applications taking more and more RAM, I just think it’s stupid to buy a new PC with an OS that caps your RAM.
It also makes it inevitable that 64-bit becomes “the standard”. I see even cheapo Best Buy desktops shipping with 6GB these days. Those all have to be on 64-bit, so obviously every PC will be 64 bit eventually.
As for building it yourself well..you just didn’t seem tech savvy enough. If you like doing that, it’s a nice way to go.
by Sharky on Nov 29, 2008 2:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's hate..
…in most cases. A lot of people have had legitimate problems with it. What’s “VIsta Capable” often isn’t at all. What’s “Vista Ready” is just barely. That’s changing but Vista has been out for a couple of years now.
I don’t know how you can say something like the OS is getting less important. That’s what controls everything on the damn computer.
The performance improvements ARE a big deal. Having literally just been moved to 64 bits from 32, there’s a huge difference in performance with the SAME software. I think that’s because I now have so much RAM that even VIsta’s not in the way. And some 32 bit apps, like photoshop cs3, will take advantage of the extra RAM…you can set it up to use RAM as a scratch disk. But the Quad Core processor is making a huge difference. Programs come up instantly with no load time at all. They shut down without hanging.
Oh, and I think I could build one myself. Tech Savvy? No I’m not the most tech savvy if you gave me a month I’d know as much as anyone else. And like I said before I’ve screwed around on the insides of computers before. I’m learning. After asking the power supply question last night I learned more about that from the kind folks here and reading afterward. There’s no doubt in my mind I could’ve built my own if I had time to mess with it. Would’ve taken me longer than someone who’d done it before, but I would have gotten it done. I’m not stupid or anything.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that was a problem w/ marketing
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much hate
it just doesn’t do much more than Windows XP, and requires more resources.
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by DJCahill on Nov 29, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
It’s a new OS for the sake of having a new OS instead of filling some crying need.
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by t ball on Nov 29, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no that was windows ME
worst.shit.ever.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ME
from what ive heard Vista is very ME like, that it was made for the sake of making an OS (not quite to the same extent) and the replacement is already going to be out within 1-2 yrs. XP hung in there a long time.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ive had a lot of experience w/ ME and with VISTA
vista >>>>>>>>>> better
ME would restart daily, sometimes multiple times a day for no reason.
explorer would crash repeatidly for no reason…
i havent had any problems with vista. do i like XP better? if i was still in IT i would – its not the same to find stuff
vista is a LOT better
but it may have been made tomake an OS
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember ME
that thing was just about useless.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
o hell yea
thats what got me into computers, troubleshooting my shitty ME box
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vista works a lot better than ME
but that isn’t saying much. ME would freeze constantly. Vista doesn’t quite have the freezing problem (if you have a good enough processor and RAM), but it does have its own share of problems.
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by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem i have had with vista
with a lot of use over the last few months is a trojan (thast what i get for letting my brother on it…) and the fact that now windows explorer crashes explorer.exe every time i use it (due to the fact that one stick of my ram died, so now its running on 1 gig of ram – and explorer is crashing because of a ram error due to the fact that my second stick of ram is also in the process of dieing.
whats worse about vista than XP?
yes, it uses more ram, its not like rAM is cheap.
yes its different to use if your a power user (or if you like to tweak settins) but if your someone who uses it for email, internet and to listen to music whats the problems it has?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its about using the RAM you have
Why do I want to turn 2 GB of RAM into 1 when if I use XP, I get a good OS that allows me to actually use that 2nd gig. What does Vista offer that XP doesn’t have? And more importantly, what does Vista have that XP doesn’t have a tested and working version of. There are many programs that Vista has that work better on XP, at least that I have seen.
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by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
64 bit XP
Will allow you to use a whole, whole lot more RAM than the OS does and RAM is indeed cheap.
But I’m going to dual boot XP because for some things I imagine it will be good to have around.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you answered your own question.
if your someone who uses it for email, internet and to listen to music whats the problems it has?
it uses more ram, its not like rAM is cheap.
If you aren’t a power user, and it does basically the same thing that XP does, but requires more resources, then it isn’t a good product.
I’m not a Vista user since I don’t run it at work, but if this is your own personal assessment of the operating system, then it seems like it’s crap.
by jwiscarson on Nov 30, 2008 2:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops i meant *isnt* cheap
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have Vista on my laptop,
but I can’t fathom why anyone would put Vista on a computer that was already running XP. I have 2 desktops that happily run XP, and I doubt I’ll ever see a reason to change that.
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by DJCahill on Dec 2, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on what you want to do with it.
As has been said, 64-bits allows you to take advantage of lots and lots of RAM and a quad-core processor. Most people don’t need that power and should stick with XP. It took them a few years to straighten it out, but it’s a good operating system. I was reluctant to change. Any program will run on it. It’s secure as long as the user has enough sense to run things like AdAware and an anti-virus program. It’s stable.
And Sharky was right about 64-bit XP, as far as I can tell. I read and found a lot of hardware compatibility issues with it.
Anyway I don’t know why anyone would want 32-bit Vista. That just seems like a waste. But 64 definitely isn’t. I’ve gone from extreme skeptic to believer. All of my old hardware works and all my software does, too, except that my printer will no longer scan directly to PDF. That’s an HP problem, though…they admitted it. So that and the hibernation issue are the only problems I’ve had with it (knock on wood).
by Black Francis on Dec 2, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive run 64 bit XP
its not bad. Most compatibility issues were worked through. I run technical software that just eats memory, and XP64 did a good job with it.
I have 32 bit Vista on my laptop, because its pretty much constrained to 4GB.
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"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Dec 3, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely a good point
You’re using a gig of ram just to run the OS.
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by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT but still computer related
Has anybody here had to deal with a trojan before? I spent half my thanksgiving trying to kill one (well, 10 different files technically) and I’m still only half certain all the infected files are gone.
I’ve got AVG antivirus (the free version), which detected it, and supposedly blasted it… but looking back on the archived scan report it only says three of the 10 files where actually moved to the virus vault while the other 7 still “require a reboot to finish the action”. I’ve scanned it repeatedly since, and come up clean (outside of a few tracking cookies anyway) but I noticed that it’s scanning about 200,000 fewer files than on the scan in which it came up with the trojan.
I’ve also tried to run spybot to get a second opinion, but the spybot scan taking forever to run – I can set it, forget it for two+ hours, come back and the scan is only about 5% underway.
So bottom line: I’m not %100 sure AVG got the trojan, and spybot basically won’t run. My computer seems to be working fine again, but I think I need some peace of mind… I’m thinking about finding some kind of IT service to take it to, but that’s a last resort as that costs money. So… thoughts? Suggestions? Condom jokes related to the first line of this comment?
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by lonestarJon on Nov 29, 2008 7:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trojan
boot into safemode and run the virus scan. lots of times these things arent able to be killed in normal mode.
But really theres only 1 way to be 100% sure a virus/trojan is gone and you wont like the answer. reformat/reinstall.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also
try another brand of av software, many companies provide online virus scans for free. the only av software i put on peoples computers is kaspersky and i believe they have a free online scanner, worth a shot.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
K, thanks rentz
I’ll give both ideas a shot later today.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 29, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Start > All Programs > Accessories > System Tools > System Restore
This is the easiest way, imo. If you are certain about the date you contracted the trojan, restore your computer to a date a couple of days prior to that. Everything will be reset automatically to how you had it at that time. If you’ve done a lot of downloading or changes recently, then those will not be saved, IIRC. Worst come to worst, pick a date from a month or two ago.
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
system restore
often stuff hides in it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dealing with Trojans
Rip open one end of the package.
Take the Trojan out of the package.
Slide the Trojan on.
Do your business.
Pretty simple really.
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by DaheelzCM on Nov 29, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in a long time
But if AVG can’t get rid of it, you might try to download another free scanner or use an online one. Also, if you know the name of the trojan you can usually dig through the internet to find out how to get rid of it. Most often you’re going to have to clean up the registry. Try some of Glary’s tools.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, ShamWOW
Ever been to the old parts of Sherman/Denison? Or Greenville? IIRC, there might be some good hunting in those towns if you’re Plano-based like I assume you are. I was in Sulphur, OK the other day and thought it was also a ripe town to pic thru.
by shroomer on Nov 29, 2008 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where on Earth could you be getting that name?
You must’ve been the one with the Neftali Feliz photo.
I travel to Sherman/Denison now and then on business. Greenville is a little more frequent. I’ve gotten shots from all of the above but I don’t think any of them are on my site yet. One may be.
Any town that used to be bigger than it is now is generally going to be good for my style. Greenville certainly doesn’t fit that but I’ve found shots there none the less. Sherman and Denison do to a certain extent. I haven’t been to Mineral Wells or Jacksboro since my film days, but those were perfect. And there are some little towns on the Oklahoma side of the border that have shrunk too.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greenville
I put up a shot from Greenville today.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just looking at that.
The “look” of that sign reminded me of the old Tri Zone and Laserball pinball machines.
Gorgar!! Good times.
I’ll put up a pic tomorrow that reminds me of your style. I’ll call it “Sham’s Box.”
by shroomer on Nov 29, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Photography
I’ve really gotten the itch lately to buy a nice d-slr and start venturing out again, just tough to justify 650-850 for a camera these days.
Looked at the canon xsi and the nikon d60, really couldnt tell much difference and the nikon is 200 bucks cheaper for a kit, both come with 50-250 is/vr lenses too
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't overlook Sony
They acquired Konica-Minolta, and have a lot of bodies to choose from. The good thing about them is that Minolta invented in-camera image stabilization and Sony has continued to refine it, so you don’t have to buy all those IS and VR lenses. Every lens you put on there will be stabilized. Sony bodies do tend to be a bit on the expensive side, but you have to consider the lens issue. And you can get Maxxum lenses from way back in the eighties that are great and cheap. On the other hand, if you’re a professional portrait photographer or shoot a lot of architecture, Minolta never really produced the range of lenses that Nikon and Canon did. Just in the last two years has Sony made them a viable option for a pro, and they’re still behind on glass. It’ll take a few years to catch up but they do have a partnership with Zeiss. But there are plenty of great Minolta and Sony lenses around, just not a lot of specialty glass like soft focus portrait lenses, tilt-shift, and really long fast lenses for sports photography. They all exist, but not in the numbers that Canon and Nikon produced them.
A few years ago I was still shooting manual focus film cameras, and when I got ready to move to digital a lot of people were saying to stay away from Nikon for various reasons. I don’t know if that remains true, but Canon and Sony are clearly driving the technology.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sony
i just refuse to buy a sony camera. i’ve never owed a sony product i’ve liked and i’m stubborn about buying a camera from a camera company. i come from an old pentax 100% manual 35mm background, and some hasselblads thrown in.
though i will admit my mom owns a sony and loves it. we won a sony p&s in a contest and i just dont like the interface.
I have read that the sony dslr reviews quite well.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bro
bought a Sony A300 a few weeks ago. Got 2 zoom lenses, a 4 gig card, 2 batteries and a nice shoulder bag for about $700/750 total – nice package from Circuit City. Seems like a nice camera to me.
by shroomer on Nov 29, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
prices
id been looking at costco.
d60 with 2 lenses both vr is 650
xsi with the same mm lenses is 850
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my former co-workers
updates this Excel spreadsheet on a regular basis. His prices may be off, but his calculations are 100% accurate. Based on his recommendations, I bought a Pentax K10D a few years ago, and love it.
Sadly, I don’t have as much time to shoot as I used to, but I still try to get out when I can.
by jwiscarson on Nov 30, 2008 2:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never, Ever
…buy a camera without holding it in your hands first. Not saying that’s what you did. But if someone were to just read specs and buy blindly online they may find out they don’t like it. Just a warning for others.
I made the mistake a couple years ago when I wanted a shirt pocket PS camera to carry around everywhere.
by Black Francis on Nov 30, 2008 7:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, I totally agree.
You’re right — I should’ve specified that as well. Grip and control placement are supremely important.
by jwiscarson on Nov 30, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sony IS a camera company
First of all, just about anything you see on television is shot on a Panasonic or a Sony if it’s not shot on film. It’s been that way for years. And Sony’s been making still cameras for as long as digital photography has been around. Lastly, a couple years ago they acquired Minolta. They didn’t get rid of anyone for the camera division, and Minolta has always been a progressive camera company. They invented wireless flash and auto-focus. Further back from that, they invented aperture-priority and other autoexposure modes in the late 1970’s. That was the xd-11, which was co-developed with Leica. They’ve always had a cooperative relation ship with Zeiss, as has Sony. You will not find a more real camera company than that.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by camera company
i mean one of the older ones, a company like nikon that its largest business is cameras.
I’m glad to hear they bought a company like minolta, they made decent lenses but i never cared much for their cameras personally.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's a personal thing
I absolutely dislike the “feel” of the cheaper Sony bodies. Before you buy at least check out the Alpha 700 and 900…they’re a different story entirely.
I don’t know what difference it makes how much Sony makes from its camera business. GE makes most of its money selling refrigerators and shit like that, but they make a hell of a nuclear reactor from what I hear. Big companies can do several things well. Sony wouldn’t have introduced the Alpha 900 if they weren’t going to be in the game to stay. They spent a LOT of money developing a body that combined a full frame sensor with the in-body stabilization (not an easy task). It’s a pro body through and through. Minolta hadn’t produced a pro body since the early 1970’s, so this signals that they want to break in on Canon and NIkon’s dominance. And they do make a lot of their money in the camera business. Not only to they sell a lot of them themselves, they also manufacture a lot of sensors for other “camera only” companies like, uh, Nikon.
I’m not a big equipment guy, but you just learn this stuff when you do a lot of photography.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
its all preference. i saw some reviews and the a700 ranked right behind the xsi.
i knew that nikon didnt make their own sensor, but they also have a strong history with pro grade equipment.
to me anything sony ive seen or bought tends to be overpriced for what it is.
looking at pictures of the a700 it does look much simpler and less cluttered than the xsi
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do
You typically shoot with?
I’m a poor college student so I picked up at D40 at t he beginning of the year before my trip to New York. Tremendous bang for the buck. I think I got the camera/lens for $350 online. I later picked up a 70-300 IS lens for $170.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Nov 29, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you put up your pics anywhere?
you had some amazing one of the ballparks
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Not at the moment, I need to get much more organized when it comes to that. If you check my fanposts/fanshots you’ll see my pictures from RBiA and my NYC baseball tour.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Nov 29, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The M.O.B. swing was ballin'
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 30, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minolta 7D and a Sony A700. I have a Pentax 67 but haven’t used it in two years.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sony
has a pretty sweet handheld thta has about 8 gigs of on-board memory
huge touchscreen on the back – a nice camera
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you should've
gone with Mojave.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Nov 29, 2008 8:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha
Well if they were shown “Mojave” on a system that was already debugged and had the hardware to run it, yeah, I’m sure they did like it.
My mother’s problem is the bloatware that came with her dell laptop. Some of that shit is so stubborn to get off. I think I finally got it stable.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BF
look at PC decrapifier (used to be dell decrapifier but got a cease and desist a while back)
and look at cleanup which clears temp files
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PC Decrapifier
That’s pretty funny, and it sounds useful. I e-mailed the link to my mom to save and will try it out during Christmas. I didn’t have time to get all that crap off there.
I was able to remove most of the crap off my new system relatively quickly and easily.
by Black Francis on Nov 29, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea its pretty good
when it first came out was effing AMAZING with new dells
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dell
i remember when you could buy a dell and all it had was the os and some built in dellness like the dell version of ie and that was it.
now they cram on so much freaking trialware its ridiculous.
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by rentz on Nov 29, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I love my Dell laptop
the Vostro comes without any of that crap. Just the OS with the basic programs and the Dell media player. No 30 day trial of Norton or crap like that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone has the choice
almost always go through the small business site – much better support, and usually better prices
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3PP
Vista was also screwed over by 3rd Party hardware providers. They would disable features in Vista that worked in XP. Creative was perhaps the most blatant about it. They actually forced a user to stop writing drivers that fixed their bugs for Vista. This led to a very bad reputation for Vista that was no fault of MS.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Nov 29, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
BF
question, how much did you spend on the components?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 29, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn't build it.
$697 for the tower,
$110 for the graphics card (may have been lower…I already filed the receipt in my tax file), 512mb
$129 for the monitor…Samsung 923nw
Not bad, really, I don’t think.
I’ve run into one Vista problem…it won’t hibernate. I feel asleep thinking it would and when I woke up the monitors were still on.
by Black Francis on Nov 30, 2008 7:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me know if you have a prob w/ it after this
ill tell ya how to fix it from tehere
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to work
I set the monitors to turn off in one minute after doing that command prompt thing and it happened.
I will say that HP scanner software doesn’t get along with 64 bit Vista. It will not scan to PDF. I spent TWO hours with a tech trying to get it to work and it wouldn’t. So I guess I’ll use photoshop to make pdf files until I can find some third party software. I would prefer not to use photoshop for that.
by Black Francis on Nov 30, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HIbernation
…well, it worked once. Now it won’t hibernated (or sleep…whatever you want to call it) anymore.
by Black Francis on Dec 1, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you get the 64 bit Vista
or 2 of those gigs are gonna be fairly worthless.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
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by DJCahill on Dec 1, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I’ve run into a few programs that won’t run on it, but not many and they were all freeware utility type things that I probably don’t need anyway. Defraggers, stuff like that.
by Black Francis on Dec 1, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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