Wes Littleton traded to Boston

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 28, 2008 5:21 PM CST Comment 73 comments

Wes Littleton has been traded to Boston for cash considerations or a PTBNL.

Jon Daniels is saying the PTBNL may not be named until sometime in the spring. My guess is there is a list of guys the Rangers will get to choose from, and they'll spend the winter and some of the spring scouting them.

UPDATE -- Some reports say a PTBNL. Some reports say two PTBNLs. I shall seek clarification.

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Rather disappointing

I really have always liked Wes Littleton.

Oh well, hope JD and that PTBNL is good

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I guess it's not that big of a deal

but I did really like Wes Littleton

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my goodness

the next thing you know they well be trading Eric Hurley

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you have a multiple personality disorder?

Or is it just the alcohol kicking in?

by hiafex on Nov 28, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You know what I find funny

Boston has one of the best bullpens in baseball but they have a spot for Littleton and we have one of the worst but we can trade him and use others as a replacement.

by Coolbean04 on Nov 28, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

coolbeans

they want Salty. Lets give them Salty and Main for Buchholz.

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is a pre cursor

To a bigger trade. I say Salty and C Wun for Buchholz.

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Cross them fingers…

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by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Boston would never do that.

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by thedirkatron on Nov 28, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure they wouldn't

but I sure wouldn’t offer Salty and Main.

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay.

Then why do we (and I don’t mean to single you out here, just happened this way) keep talking about trying get Buccholz?

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by thedirkatron on Nov 28, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because there isn't much else to talk about, I guess

But I agree with you, the Buchholz thing is overdiscussed. Or maybe I just read this site too much.

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by tricer on Nov 28, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh, +1 to all three of those points.

I think I’m going stir crazy from the tedium of the off season.

I kind of wish I cared even a little about the NBA or the NFL or was crazy about a NCCAF or BB team.

I need baseball, dammit!!!

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by thedirkatron on Nov 28, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

+1

And a wreck.

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by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the guy I'd like to get for Salty

is Jonathan Sanchez. I know the Giants probably wouldn’t have much use for Salty, but if we could get Bowden from the BoSox, then give SF Bowden + one of Blalock/Byrd/Murphy, I’d think that would be a deal that they would consider.

Sanchez is a guy that both the statheads and scouts seem to like a lot.

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by tricer on Nov 29, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Sanchez, too. One of my faves.

If we are to be believe rumored values, then I think he’s a better deal than his teammate Cain who I think is overvalued right now.

Boy, if JD could use our OF/C depth to snag two guys like a Sanchez and a Sonnanstine, dump Padzilla to a team willing to take on his contract and then do something about 3b… I could really start to get super jazzed up

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by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

better yet

trade Salty + for Sanchez, sign Sheets and Wood, and bada boom bada bing, this thing could get real interesting.

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by tricer on Nov 29, 2008 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yah, that'd do it too.

But that’d be expensive as fuck.

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by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because it's in the media

And Adam keeps posting trade ideas about this subject as well so we all keep talking about it. Boston needs or wants a young catcher and JD is asking for Buchholz so that is another big reason. There probably is a combination out there for a trade but is one team willing to go that far?

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't want to

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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't want to... (?)

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by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

I don’t like that trade.

by Coolbean04 on Nov 28, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't give up Main straight up for him...

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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for once...

i just want the rangers to actually develop the young pitchers they have

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by rentz on Nov 28, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they have

just got to keep them now.

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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I’m glad you’re not the Rangers GM.

by Schrute Farms on Nov 28, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate this.

by Mike E on Nov 28, 2008 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Mike it's okay

just relax buddy

I’m thinging it’s simple..

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Return

If we’re getting two players in return (like the Boston press release says), then you have to wonder what level they’ll be. Probably someone along the lines of a David Paisano when we got him in the Danks deal.

Some decent Boston players worth considering (but might not be on the list):
  -Felix Doubront (LHSP): 12-8, 3.67 ERA, 115.1 IP, 115 HA, 24 BB, 118 K, 9 HRA (Single-A Greenville)
  -Zach Daeges (OF): .307/.412/.454 in 394 ABs, 72 BB/72 K (AA Portland)
  -Bubba Bell (OF): .285/.363/.478 in 312 ABs, 39 BB/61 K (AA Portland)
  -Jose Alvarez (LHSP): 8-9, 5.70 ERA, 107.1 IP, 118 HA, 37 BB, 86 K, 15 HRA (Single-A Greenville)
  -Travis Beazley (RHSP): 7-10, 4.68 ERA, 140.1 IP, 164 HA, 31 BB, 121 K, 9 HRA (High-A Lancaster)
  -Cesar Cabral (LHSP): 2-5, 5.55 ERA, 48.2 IP, 55 HA, 16 BB, 51 K, 3 HRA (Rookie GCL Red Sox)
  -Jose Capellan (LHSP): 3-6, 4.65 ERA, 69.2 IP, 96 HA, 15 BB, 54 K, 7 HRA (Single-A Greenville)
  -Yeiper Castillo (RHSP): 3-6, 4.19 ERA, 58.0 IP, 46 HA, 29 BB, 62 K, 6 HRA (Short-Season Lowell)
  -Caleb Clay (RHSP): TJ Recovery in 2008; 2.2 IP in GCL
  -Wang-Yi Lin (RHSP): 0-2, 4.63 ERA, 44.2 IP, 50 HA, 11 BB, 36 K, 4 HRA (GCL Red Sox)
  -Eammon Portice (RHSP): 4-4, 3.64 ERA, 71.2 IP, 62 HA, 26 BB, 80 K, 8 HRA (Single-A Greenville)
  -Chad Povich (RHSP): 8-7, 3.92 ERA, 126.1. IP, 115 HA, 34 BB, 110 K, 11 HRA (Single-A Greenville)
  -Manny Rivera (RHSP): 4-3, 2.24 ERA, 52.1 IP, 40 HA, 19 BB, 58 K, 1 HRA (DSL Red Sox)

There are tons more, and the Red Sox are loaded with low-level pitching to choose from. Not a bad return if you get to choose a couple guys.

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by Andy Seiler on Nov 28, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wes Littleton traded for cash

Damn.. I thought Littleton was worth more than just the cash Boston offered.

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Doubront

Forgot to mention that Felix Doubront is on their 40-man, so it’s not likely he’ll be listed.

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by Andy Seiler on Nov 28, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

good point..

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the only bad is that Felix Doubront

his fastball is 80s and come close to tops out at 90 mph

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

his fastball is not that good

and he really doesn’t have the command on his fastball

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you talking to yourself?

Have another drink

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm saying, Boomer

that, I think trading Salty and Main for Clay Buchholz is a even deal

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

I think that is a little much IMO. I would try Salty + CWun to see where that got me.

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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Salty

and they keep their 2 players to be named later =) for Buchholz

by Mike E on Nov 28, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe, Mike

but we’re are talking pitching. I think it’s a fair deal… we trade Salty and Main.

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mike...

Boston wouldnt’ bite…

We need to get Boston to at least take a bite and nibble.

That why a Salty and Main combo would get the stinking ass to give of some serious thought

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how bat shit crazy are you?

by slash on Nov 29, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was just going to say...

that one of these things is not like the other. Doubront is still fairly well thought of, I doubt he’d be a PTBNL for Littleton. This looks like it could be a move to free up roster space for the Rule 5 draft.

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by OCD SS on Nov 28, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah...

Littleton was already DFAd to make room for 40 man additions for the Rule 5. Our 40 man is still full.

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by rangers85 on Nov 28, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don;t think

it was a wise idea to get rid of Wes Littleton. But, maybe this is a prep trade in order to trade Salty and Main for Clay Buchholz.

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This thread has 23 comments so far

and I think half of them are hurlerhurley talking to himself.

Its good to see JD at least get something for Littleton. Something is better than nothing.

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by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 6:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i wish we could have kept wes

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/28/674922/transactions-worth-mention

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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe this thread needs more

damn, Gdawg are you so insecure that you have to call me out. I’m just trying to make it all fun.

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by hurlerhurley on Nov 28, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just something funny I noticed

Especially since the first 3 posts in here was you replying to yourself every few minutes

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by Gdawg on Nov 28, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah lol

by Mike E on Nov 28, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It just seemed like....

…..Littleton was never given a chance to succeed here. He came up in ‘06 and was amazing (yes I know, small sample size), and then was constantly being shipped back and forth between Texas and OKC. To me, it just felt like a poorly handled situation all the way around. I would’ve much rather had him around then the Jamey Wright’s and Willie Eyre’s of the world.

by Schrute Farms on Nov 28, 2008 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Littleton

He had a bad spring training in 2007. That was Washington’s first exposure to him. I think Wash decided right off the bat he couldn’t pitch, and that was pretty much that.

He didn’t get many opportunities thereafter, and he didn’t do a ton with those opportunities when they arose.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 28, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's the way I see it also

He had a bad first impression with Worsh and it devolved from there.

Of course, The Electrician was handed the ball, regardless.

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by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 for warsh over-rating veteran savy

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by ivysafety39 on Nov 28, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No kidding

I think if a 6’ LHP showed up at ST who could throw 102-105 with armside bite, had a 100mph slider he could command on both sides, a splitter he could thow accurately in the mid-80’s, and a scroogie change that God couldn’t hit with a lightning bolt, but had no professional, college, or high school experience, Wash would suggest leaving him in extended ST because he might not “know how to pitch”.

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by Ed Coffin on Nov 28, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

haha

that was great

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by hinduplaya on Nov 29, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think Wash has much of a say

on personnel decisions. If JD wanted Wes pitching here, he would be pitching here…

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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Indirectly

affects the evaluation by who he chooses to use. If the manager doesn’t trust you, why would the GM? (Assuming JD trusts Worsh, which is debatable, imo.)

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by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Castro

Didn’t something similar happen to Fabio Castro? I thought Buck would not play him at all, so Castro was just wasting a roster spot (had to remain on the 25-man roster as a Rule V draftee). As such, JD got rid of him. I am remembering this correctly?

by Excel Hearts Choi on Nov 28, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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Last sentence should read, “Am I ….”.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Nov 28, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're remembering it correctly

That’s pretty much what happened, but the difference was that Castro was a Rule V draftee in JD’s first year as GM while working with a power hungry douchebag of a manager. While Wash may not prefer a pitcher, he would still play him if JD put him on the roster. It might not be in high leverage situations, but he would play, especially if JD told him to play him more.

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