A question about Twilight
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 28, 2008 8:48 PM CST
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I realize that this will make me seem old and out of touch, but there's something I'm not sure about...
Who is the target audience for "Twilight"?
The Hannah Montana tween crowd?
The high school crowd?
College age people?
All of the above?
I'm confused...someone explain for me...
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Well...
you know that our father read Twilight, but I’m not sure that he’s the target audience. And our niece signs “Best of Both Worlds” by Hannah Montana.
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by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't helpful
And where are the rest of the community projections?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 28, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have fought you...
while you were still here.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife has read all 4
Shes 31. Her sister, age 24, and her friends read all 4. They loved them They went to opening night and it was mainly high school and younger girls. And then there is my wife’s best friend’s flamboyant husband. He’s 42 and loves them. So to answer your question. I have no idea.
by Chow Time on Nov 28, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My wife...
has also read them all and she’s 32.
Although by her own admission it’s more of a tweenie type age group the book is trying to reach.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 28, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paging thedirkatron ...
He who is most NOW should solve this pop-culture catastrophe.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Second the commotion
I’ve seen an online trailer, and had no impression whatsoever. Dirkatron, you are being paged.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 28, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twilight is what would happen if Harry Potter fell in love with The Notebook and then they decided to be true to themselves and never to give into their carnal lust because that would be wrong.
In other words…
Twilight: Where true love means never having to let that vampire put himself inside of you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 28, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
holy hell...
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Nov 29, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deep shit
I gather that this is a movie we are talking about?
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if your the lazy blogger type, he hem,
then no, this movie isn’t for you,
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Nov 28, 2008 9:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey, im a lazy blogger type...
but you probably need proof, ok if u insist: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com/
hooray cheap plugs
anyways i know this one girl in college who seems a tad obsessed with these books/movie, she’s saw the movie 2 times the 1st 2 days and i wouldnt be shocked the next time i see her to hear she saw it again
by studcrackers on Nov 28, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's basically wish fulfillment for 15 year old girls...
and 40 year old housewives who wish they were 15 year old girls.
by venturafearsnolan on Nov 28, 2008 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's rather simple, really.
“Young Adults”—i.e. 10-14 year-old girls were the target audience of the books. The movie appeals to them, but has stretched its claws out to ensnare slightly older girls who dig the guy in it. Girls think he’s good-looking, and he was apparently (I haven’t seen any of them) in the Harry Potter movies, where he stole their hearts years ago.
So, essentially, the target audience is bored 10-20 year old girls, which means every 10-20 year old girl.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Teenage girls
My wife has a friend with a 16 year old daughter. Apparently, the girl was balling her eyes out one day because she realized that her real life boyfriend will never measure up to the guy in the book.
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by DaheelzCM on Nov 28, 2008 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Poor bastard.
How is he supposed to stack up against a fucking vampire?
by LiamP on Nov 28, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the point of Twilight seems to be
that he’s a non-fucking vampire, eh?
by Snark on Nov 30, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell her to date a gay guy.
Gay guys and literary vampires have a lot in common.
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by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That almost got a rec
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
by rangers85 on Nov 28, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
I just gave it one. That was funny, Ben. And I say that as someone who generally likes vampire stories.
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by RCCook on Nov 28, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do u get that
green thing on your post?
by studcrackers on Nov 28, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
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by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im new here
really my only excuse, just curious
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Three people have to reccomend it
You can reccomend (or flag, if you come accross spam or something) comments by clicking the “actions” button at the bottom of a comment.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 29, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twilight's target audience
Is I think mainly teens and any other females who like romance/fantasy. And douchebag actors who (seemingly purposely) look like they just got out of bed a half hour ago when they appear in public.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 9:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OT : I'm sure many...
aren’t watching the UCLU/ASU game, but did anyone just see that play? QB was going to throw a pass but a ASU player hit the ball loose as his arm went forward. A UCLA lineman actually picked up the ball and then looked around to see what the call was. A ASU player then came by and swated the ball out of the UCLA linemans hand and ASU ran it in for a touchdown.
Here is the problem, the UCLA lineman was looking around to see what the call was because he’s deaf and can’t hear a whistle, even if there was one. Damn that is a shitty way for your team to score. Take advantage of the deaf guy!
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by slc ranger on Nov 28, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's awkward.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hannah Montana...
Target audience – guys all ages…
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
by miles on Nov 28, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let me help you out there
Target audience –guyspervs of all ages…
;)
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
she is hot, just admit it.
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
by miles on Nov 28, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I don't
She annoys me too much for me to consider her hot.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose if you consider
teenage girls that look like 40 year old women wearing 10 times more makeup than should be allowed than yes, she is attractive.
by Slaw on Nov 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arrgh!
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your answer...
Godless heathens.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2008 9:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And...
apparently my sister, as well. She’s 28.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU got it handed to them today
Man they look bad this year. But they graduated what 18?
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by boomer1 on Nov 28, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And they're not going to be starting this guy next year anyway
from what LSU fans have told me.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 28, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to talk about it...
Also, my boss is a huge LSU fan here the Bay Area as well. This season is making life tough for me.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw an ad
For Transporter 3. There’s no doubt who that movie’s target audience is.
Dumbshits.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of money to be made in that market
believe that.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no doubt
Or else Transporter 1 would never have seen the light of day.
On that note, has anybody seen Quantum of Solace? It and Casino Royale are infinitely better than all those other shitty movies, but fuck—is that Alicia Keyes/Jack White song not one of the shittiest songs out there? Makes me yearn for Madonna or Tina Turner.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the Jack White part
in that song. And Transporter 3 will suck a big one, but I’ll still watch it. It seems like one of those so bad its funny movies.
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by Gdawg on Nov 29, 2008 2:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god.
I randomly caught #2 on TV one night. Jesus Christ on a stick in the rain was that thing terrible. It was OTT in every single way possible.
But I was drinking and I reveled in the horrendousness and it actually wasn’t that bad of an experience. I mean the movie still sucked and was dumber than a 7 foot long Styrofoam dildo and I’d in no way shape or form recommend it to anyone anywhere ever, but enough stuff blew up and enough completely cheesedick one liners were uttered that I didn’t change the channel once I got into it. Definitely better than Ballistic: Ecks versus Sever or The Ringer or Million Dollar Baby or any of the true unredeemably bad crap out there that can’t even be watched in a so bad it’s funny kind of way.
No effing way would I ever watch it sober, though.
And there’s even less of an effing way that I’d see #3 in the theater. There’s a better chance of me being at the very first midnight showing of Three Fast, Three Furious rocking my “I’d like nothing more than to take Vin Diesel into my mouth” baby doll t-shirt.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 2:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, the song was drivel.
Alicia Keyes is terrible. Singers today are all looks no voice, thanks to pitch correction software.
"Never go with a hippie to a second location."
by jcAustin on Nov 29, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neko Case begs to differ.
Along with plenty of others I’m sure.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of...
the current vampire craps.
You should see the History channel programs about vampires. The douchenozzles they have on there claiming to be vampires are hilarious.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See
I hear faint whispers of some fo the stuff they’ve got in the States.
by jonthefon on Nov 28, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=psychic+vampire&search_type=&aq=f
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by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
You really took down that target. I’m glad somebody finally gave those winners a good thumping.
Keep on being awesome, ben.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Twighlight
was imo one of the most overrated movies ever.
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by hinduplaya on Nov 28, 2008 10:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How's that?
It’s only been out for a couple days.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
think the answer is "women of all ages"
I hadn’t heard of it at all two weeks ago, but in the interim I’ve learned that:
—my 17-year-old sister sat behind a row of 30somethings and in front of a row of 12-year-olds at the movie
—my 28-year-old colleague has read the books with her friends
—my 40-year-old (extremely successful) boss was a little bummed when her 12-year-old went to see it with friends instead of her
by HoustonOwl on Nov 28, 2008 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How could you be fucking confused about this?
It’s the tween girls. The Jonas Bros demographic.
That seems utterly obvious?
by Sharky on Nov 28, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That last Mavs sequence
Was enough to make me vomit. A 13-0 run and you’ve got fucking Barea shooting a shitty 3? Ridiculous.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 11:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
thought Barea could be a decent player, but he’s not…he sucks.
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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually
Had a really good game tonight.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ
17 straight points until that free throw. And Carlisle can’t be bothered to put a single scorer on the floor.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where's dirk?
foul trouble?
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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I assume he’s being rested for tomorrow night.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice on J Kidd
but he doesn’t like to play any d whatsoever.
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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the target
seems to be teen girls, but I know women of all ages who are rabid about it.
Myself, I couldn’t care less.
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by lisa w on Nov 28, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to post that the demographic for Twilight book and movie is “women,” except for that subset of women who are posting at LSB at ass-thirty about how all those other women are into that vampire stuff.
(I just popped in for the Wes Littleton thread and Twilight is here /too/. nooooo)
by morineko on Nov 29, 2008 2:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
I was going to say, “Well, I know Micah and Rachel really like Twilight”, but they’re also not posting here now, are they? :P
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Nov 29, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't speak for Rachel, but I lurk on here :)
And, yes, I loved “Twilight.” The books and the movie. I can’t explain why I like them. I like a lot of things that don’t make sense. Ha ha.
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by baseballismyboyfriend on Nov 29, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of weird actually
I loved the Interview with the Vampire series, and as a general rule vampires are a-ok with me.
However, by the time I really heard about Twilight, it already had a rabid fanbase, and it also had a huge number of people who just thought it was terrible. So, I decided not to read it, lest I get sucked into the rabid fanbase. At this point I doubt I’ll ever read it.
I don’t have anything against it, per se, I just… opted out, I guess.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Nov 30, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here I am, here I am!
3 12-hour shifts in a row this week, not much time to play around on here.
I love the Twilight books. I HATED the movie. It was terrible. I will not waver.
by RachelB on Nov 29, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'll be honest,
When I saw this post I came in and did a “find in this page” for my name to see if I’d been indicted yet.
by RachelB on Nov 29, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing about it is, there's a really good vampire movie out right now
Let the Right One In is one of the year’s best movies, a minimalistic Swedish film, an excellent coming of age story and romantic tale that just happens to involve one of the main characters being a vampire.
by venturafearsnolan on Nov 28, 2008 11:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That sounds terrible.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The concept behind...
Brokeback was ridiculous and sounded like something would make up as a parody, but it was decent, too, I guess, though I’m anti-infidelity and any movie that sort of says “infidelity is okay if it’s for love” bothers me. So, who knows, maybe it’s okay, but the concept sounds ridiculous.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Nov 28, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Let the Right One In is amazing
I just recently saw this movie. Apparently it’s only playing in art theatres right now, but theres a good DVD rip out on torrents and such hence how I watched it.
Anyways, it’s one of the best movies I’ve seen in a long time. It’s that simple. It’s a gem.
It’s just great.
I cant even describe why it’s so good..minimalistic describes it well. It’s also one of those extremely rare love stories done right in the movies.
It has a “twist” in the novel mind you, that I dont like at all. But I just pretend that doesnt exist lol.
It’s one of those movies thats so good I take note of the director so I can keep tabs on his future movies..
Heres a trailer, which doesnt really do it justice as it kind of portrays it as a slam bang thriller, which it isnt..
by Sharky on Nov 29, 2008 5:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you advocate
piracy?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 29, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just felt like saying it
after hearing the ‘mvp’ chants for kobe. LBJ should have won that last year and should have won it going away…
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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way
That LeBron is better than Kobe. Kobe is better at every facet of the game.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh??
LBJ is a better shooter, defender, passer, rebounder, blocker and is far better in ‘clutch’ situations.
Kobe has the better free throw shooting edge.
How is Kobe better than LBJ ‘at every facet of the game’?
It’s really not that close, LBJ is the superior player.
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by Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LBJ
is a better shooter?
Lebron is a below average jump shooter..
And clutch?
Kobe is Mr. Clutch
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by miles on Nov 28, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u really overrate lebron
and this is coming from someone who considers lebron to be slightly better
lebron is not a better shooter, he’s a better slasher but his main knock is his jumpshot
he’s a better rebounder and passer but he’s not a better defender. part of the reason bron is a better rebounder though is his position. not to mention his team is overreliant on him to do everything. im amazed at how his team competes year in and year out with that craptastic roster, part of it is the snails pace they play, they’re a boring team to watch
by studcrackers on Nov 28, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, when i talk about shooter, i look at their FG% respectively
if there is a stat of FG% of jumpshots, i will definitely consider that, but still…he’s the superior player.
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron
Plays closer to the basket. Look at the dropoff at the 3 point line.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you've had to have watched them play
you have to have noticed that bron’s shot is his weakness and as kobe’s getting older it’s an obvious strength as he drives less and less
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
O.K.
Well I guess when you have the complete opposite view of reality, it makes your position really sustainable.
I actually wrote out all the reasons you’re wrong, but when you say such ridiculous things, it’s not worthy of analysis.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
you wrote out absolutely nothing
i’ll help you out…stats really don’t lie.
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
You’re absolutely right. Kobe is actually the worst player in the league.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's exactly what i said
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Well you might as well have. You pulled everything else out of your ass.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
if you don’t want to try and read the stats, i can’t help you. Obviously your eye is better than numbers and nothing else matters. But, don’t be mad ‘cause you were obviously proven wrong on your ’every facet’ idea…
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering
Which stats are you referring to?
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LBJ is a better shooter, defender, passer, rebounder, blocker and is far better in ‘clutch’ situations.
so, ppg / apg / rpg / fg% / stealspg / blockspg…
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahaha
Wow. You know shit about basketball apparently. So now give me the sell on how Derek Jeter is the best player in baseball.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
enlighten me then
what stats matter? what you see with your obviously very trained eye?
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing
You have to put everything in context. Thus, while stats don’t “lie”, they don’t tell the whole story, and certainly not those stats.
It’s honestly like you telling me that BA/HR/RBI is the absolute measure of a baseball player.
There are a variety of concoctions that people have made to normalize basketball stats—many of them are on the pages you linked. Each has their flaws, but to suggest something silly like a higher FG % means somebody’s a better shooter is just laughable.
By that logic, Shaq is the greatest shooter of all time.
And if TRB is how you judge the best rebounder, then it’s as simple as putting Shawn Bradley on a team full of midgets.
You do have to watch the players occasionally, unfortunately, or at least use stats that attempt to normalize performance.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys do realize NBA basketball is totally fake
like 80’s von erick wrestling fake….
right?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Nov 29, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OKay
so, bascially you are saying Kobe is better than LBJ because you said so? There must be something else…
I know if you watch Lebron with the junk he plays with and see how he makes that team infinity better, that he should be considered one of the best players, if not the best in the game right now. The stats help show that he is the better all around player which in turn helps make his team that much better. Add that, with his superiority in clutch situations (i don’t care how he scores, as long as he scores), i think it’s pretty clear he’s the best player in the game and he certainly should have been the MVP last year….
Kobe is great, i’m not saying he isn’t, but he’s the 2nd best player in the game IMO.
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by Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
OK…I don’t care enough about this to argue with you anymore.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In any case
Yes, I was blowing a bit of smoke. LeBron is stronger, a better rebounder, and probably a better half-court passer.
He’s not a better shooter, not a better defender, and certainly not more clutch than Kobe, though.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
id say basketball
more then any other sport is one where you have to watch the games to get the players full effect on the game.
it’s what lets you know a player like zach randolph or stephon marbury suck in comparison to tim duncan and jason kidd
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mavs lose
and I am sick. Can’t beat any of the West’s elite.
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Houston doesn't count
because despite their “Big 3”, they’re also comfortably soft and injury-prone.
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy with the game.
The key is finishing. They never finish. Ever. Like never ever. And they may never learn how to, but if they do, they can hang with anybody. One thing I’d look into however is trading Howard. They look fine without him.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Nov 29, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But who would you give Howard for?
The good old Mike Miller deal?
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's is my ideal trade.
Howard to ATL for Marvin Williams/Acie Law/Randolph Morris.
Probably not realistic but, neither is the idea that Howard will be traded so…..
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Nov 29, 2008 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and who would you want for him?
this team cant rely on Jet’s hot hand forever, they need another scorer
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they look pretty good.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Nov 29, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
They don’t. They look good against the worst teams in the league. When they play somebody good, they look really bad. There are only two people on this team who can shoot.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers are darn good
nobody will step up in the clutch like they can. If Mavs can build a good lead, I’m confident that elsewhere, they can hold it. (unless maybe its the Celtics or Cavs).
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You
didn’t think they looked for the first 3 quarters today? I’m not talking about the Mavs as an elite team, I’m talking about how they look without Howard. They don’t look like they miss him that much.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Nov 29, 2008 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I didn’t think they looked good at all tonight. Ever. They got lucky that LA played shitty perimeter defense and they slopped in some points in the first half.
They need Howard badly. Really, really badly.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jesus
i didnt think they looked that bad
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree, I guess.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Nov 29, 2008 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they look good for the time being
i doubt it will last
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait for baseball season
With limited hope for both the Astros and Rangers, I don’t have to get pissed about dropping big games. Instead, I can get pissed at Hunter Pence flailing at sliders and Michael Bourn’s inability to reach base.
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You root for both the Astros and the Rangers?
by LiamP on Nov 29, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
What kind of bullshit is that?
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I’m an Astros fan, but managing to be a Dallas sports fan in every other facet, I feel obligated to at least casually onlook at the Rangers.
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LBJ.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, guess I shoulda said Dirk, huh?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Dirk’s always the right answer to anything.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on the Kobe / LBJ
I don’t know if LBJ will ever have the pure shooting touch of Kobe. With that said, I think he’s on a different overall trajectory than Kobe and will be better in the end.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
I just don’t see it. Kobe is, in many ways, better than Michael freakin’ Jordan. I just think he gets shit on because of Shaq and Denvergate.
When you’re talking the absolute best players of the last 25 years, you’ve got MJ, Magic, Bird and Kobe, with Shaq knocking on the door and Kareem only out because I include him in the generation before.
I think LeBron will definitely be a Hall of Famer, but I guess I see him as more Karl Malone than MJ (in terms of greatness, not playing style). We’ll see. Maybe I’m wrong.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 1:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kobe is 6th at best
below shaq and duncan for sure along w/mj magic and bird. if we only go back 25 years he’s ahead of kareem but his career was winding down
i personally think lebron will finish (at least in my book) higher in terms of career then kobe. of course it’d be nice if he can get a better 2nd fiddle (mo williams is ok but anyone other then lebron and he’s not) but it will be interesting to see lebron when his athleticism starts to fade, it’d be great if he can develop an awesome post game and start playing more PF or combo pf/sf
as for kobe’s all time ranking on another site we’re doing a top 100 project he finished i think top 15 which is about right for now. dirk finished 41st behind steve nash and sidney moncrief which both pissed me off
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 1:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash over Nowitzki?
Guess everyone’s overestimating what Nashy’s done playing D’Antoni and Nellie ball.
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 1:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Below Duncan?
Oofa. Can’t agree with you at all there. As for Shaq…I don’t know. He had 11 seasons of utter dominance. Since then, he’s been good at best. Kobe, on the other hand, has only gotten more refined with age.
Part of the comparison is unfair, I think. After all, I judge “greatness” in part by how a player carries his team and wills them to win. That’s a lot harder for a big man who can’t handle the ball coming down the floor to do. Guys like Duncan and Shaq, while overpowering, have to be in their spots to win a game. Kobe, MJ, Bird and Magic can be anywhere.
In any case, I put Kobe 3rd on that list ahead of Magic. That’s right.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jeez you're insane
over magic, wow i cant comprehend that, magic is my #3 of all time and prime shaq is probably a top 5 player ever too
you’re really overestimating kobe
and duncan can and has willed his team to victory, that 03 title team really didnt have much, a young ginobili and an aging on his last legs david robinson. stephen jackson was hish 2nd best player. duncan killed in the playoffs and took down the lakers. plus duncan has been the best defender of his generation
bball may be different today since it’s more guard dominated but give me the dominant big man every time and if im doing an all time draft im taking wilt #1, if i for some reason decide to go crazy and take a guard 1st im passing michael (crazy right!) and taking magic. love the mismatches
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I think you’re underestimating him.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
if i was i think more people would share your opinion that he is better then shaq or a duncan or a magic, facts are he’s not. plus he still needs to prove he can win w/o shaq, i think he will probably win at least 2 more titles but im still probabl not gonna change my stance on the duncan or shaq or magic thing
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
That whole “win without Shaq” thing is so ridiculous. Nobody talks about Shaq not winning without an All-Star guard. Fact is, most championship teams have really good players.
And I think many people would agree with me that Kobe is more valuable than Duncan. You can’t say that it’s a “fact” one way or the other. Just opinions.
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they might agree with that currently
b/c it’s probably true but for a career duncan has been more successful
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 1:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More successful?
What do you mean?
by brettgardner on Nov 29, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's won 4 titles
and has been the best player on his team since his rookie season. he’s always been 1st or 2nd team all nba and all defense
he’s anchored the best defense in the league his entire career and is the best defender of his generation, it’s a crime he doenst have a DPOY. he makes bruce bowen look better then he really is
he also is always able to raise his game in the playoffs, really the man’s only shortcoming is ft shooting and that only plagues him from time to time
kobe has won 3 rings but could probably only argue his was 1b to shaq’s 1a in the 3rd title and he was the big reason they lost against detroit and that the lakers lost last year vs. boston where he shot 40% and the reason it didnt look worse was because one game where he shot 60%
by studcrackers on Nov 30, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
So you’re not actually basing it on anything except speculation.
by brettgardner on Nov 30, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how is it speculation?
i think it’s a pretty good case for why duncan is better then kobe career wise
by studcrackers on Nov 30, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't see how stupid that sounds?
Kobe is in the prime of his career.
I couldn’t think of anything more short-sighted to say, really.
I’d put money down that Kobe wins at least 1 more title before he is done and he’ll likely win in the next 3 years, imo.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 30, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well i didnt know thats
what he was talking about
but he’s also saying kobe’s had a better career up to this point which i think is ludicrous
also i think duncan these days is pretty underrated right now, some people ive seen rank him below dwight howard
by studcrackers on Nov 30, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think
It’s ludicrous? Well I think that’s ludicrous. They’re both fantastic players. However, basing an individual career solely on rings makes Robert Horry a player for the ages.
Don’t be so prone to hyperbole and exaggeration. Reasonable people can disagree about these things.
by brettgardner on Dec 1, 2008 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just the rings though
they just help further cement the argument that thus far in there career duncan > kobe
by studcrackers on Dec 1, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u care to sell me on it then?
u havent really said why he’s better then duncan
by studcrackers on Dec 1, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why should I?
I think he’s a better player, that’s all.
by brettgardner on Dec 1, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you're just gonna leave it at that?
u dont care to argue it or back up your statement, you just go and say it’s your opinion and that’s that
i just want to know why you think that
by studcrackers on Dec 1, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
He’s better. There’s no real way to prove that.
by brettgardner on Dec 1, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alright
so much for debating
btw paul pierce > kobe bryant
by studcrackers on Dec 1, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damnit
thats not what i wanted, i want argument
b/c no sane person can say pierce > kobe
by studcrackers on Dec 1, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got me thinking, that's for sure
I definitely tend to forget the greatness of Kobe, which is probably due to Shaq / Denvergate subconsciously. When he lost his Sprite ads …
That’s pretty much the only reason I watch the NBA though, is to see what people like Kobe can do. Sure, I’ll root for Dallas and follow general NBA ebbs and flows.
At any NBA game, somebody is going to bring it. It boggles my mind how consistently and easily NBA players score. Now you could cue defense jokes, but I think with the way roles have specialized, you’ve got people whose sole purpose for being paid is to stop somebody else, often specifically. 70 or 80 points is a bad night, with 100 being topped regularly.
You also make a great point about the spacing. Duncan and Shaq’s games are inherently predictable. Perhaps that makes them that much more dominant.
But when I see Yao turning and dunking on a 7’ athletic dude on Washington and follows it up with a beastly roar, that shit has to make you chuckle. I hate the Rockets, but I can sit there and watch Tracy McGrady drain 3 after 3 when he gets going. There’s just nothing like it.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 1:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah the NBA would be a great, great league if it weren't David Stern and his merry band of Bavettas.
I love the sport of basketball, but the way the NBA game is refereed isn’t real basketball to me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should learn to love again
and consider it as unreal basketball.
It’s much more enjoyable that way and then Stern won’t steal your Christmas, like that bastard is wont to do.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna dance on that "man"'s grave.
Literally. I’ve sworn an oath. I will do this. I’ll video tape it and put it on youtube so y’all can watch. Probably I’m gonna do my funny cowboy dance, but I might do the Ickey Shuffle and/or the robot too. Depends on how well guarded his grave is. Wait… Damn.
You don’t think he’ll get cremated, do you?
That would suck.
I’ve got bitching hand-eye coordination but I’m not sure I could my funny cowboy dance on top of an urn. And what if the urn is kept in some safe or in a dungeon or something? I’m not good at breaking into safes or dungeons so that would present a real problem for me.
Now I’m getting all sad :(
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Nov 29, 2008 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope his remains are robbed prior to cremation
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 29, 2008 4:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I’ve broken a lot of stuff when the Mavs or the Cowboys lose, yet I have a feeling even when the Astros are terrible and the Rangers figure out how to win the AL West, I’d still care more of the Stros.
Guess that’s what happens when you spend most of your life outside Texas and develop different affiliations.
by jonthefon on Nov 29, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you want to see my nfl power rankings as of now
go to my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com/
not sure if this is allowed but id love some feeback if anyone wants to add any
by studcrackers on Nov 29, 2008 1:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is Twilight?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Nov 29, 2008 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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