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Yep
Meanwhile…Hank Williams Jr. is out campaigning, and says that Obama isn’t a fan of the national anthem…
I’m shocked — SHOCKED — that a guy who had a hit song called “If the South Woulda Won We’d of Had it Made,” about how much better life would be if the South had won the Civil War, is out there campaigning against the black presidential candidate…
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 3, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well
We can’t all have the well thought out “I’m voting for the black guy just so we can have a black President” or the “Vote for the opposite party of who controls the Congress” strategies adopted by the Morris boys..
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 3, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going with the
I’ll vote for anyone who is not of the same party as that epic disaster of a president, GWB.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
I like that one better
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 3, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, Clinton was a disaster
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
Yeah,
it was terrible having peace, prosperity, and budget surpluses.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
I've always thought
what makes a perfect president is getting in a war by mistake, nearly doubling the national debt, and being on watch during the biggest financial disaster in almost 80 years. That Bush, he’s so dreamy.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
We...
Sir, we are a hard-working nation of problem solvers. It follows that we need problems to solve…thank God Bush had the foresight and leadership to keep us busy for a while. He’s a Great Murican.
by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Dare I say...
He put his “County First”
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
new rule
if your party completely fucks up the country by every objective measure – you kindly step aside, don’t say squat, and let the the other party take over. Country did it for Carter/Reagan.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
"McCain Palin Tradition" by Hank Williams Jr
http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/McCain-Palin-Tradition-Lyrics-by-Hank-Williams
Giddy up!
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
?
Are you predicting a landslide Obama victory or a McCain win?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Sorry I couldn't be more controversial
I know a lot of fervent McCain supporters (several of whom I’m related to) and it’s not going to be pretty tomorrow night.
Predicting an Obama blowout.
by Joey Matschulat on Nov 3, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
i was shocked the other day
when i found out my dad supports obama over mccain.
if a 52 year old redneck white guy can support a black candidate for president, anything can happen.
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
Shocking
My dad still voted for McCain, but I was shocked to hear him say he didn’t like Palin. My dad has NEVER voted Democrat, even though he’s pro-choice. He was going on and on about Pelosi supposedly wanting to nationalize everyone’s 401K, anyone hear anything about that? Sounded like a rumor to me…
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
The nationalizing 401k
is the same old Republican fearmongering I recall from before the Clinton victory. Those of us who recall the 92 election remember all the terrible things the Clintons were said to be going to do to turn this country into Russia. Honestly, the great Republican lie machine loses its force over time.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
yep
exit polls will probably favor mccain since obama had tons of his supporters vote early.
i’d imagine DAY OF voters will be close to a tie or even a mccain lead, but obama will be up pretty big with early vote
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
it's awesome
how fox news and drudge are REALLY pushing this bogus coal story. trying REAL HARD to make sure mccain wins ohio eh?
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
actually
looks like drudge has pulled the coal story, but it’s still been on fox.
anyway, via dailykos
On Sunday, John McCain launched the final attack of his campaign, a fraudulent assault on Barack Obama that serves as a fitting reminder of the fundamental dishonesty not only of his own campaign, but also of the dishonesty of his allies in the right-wing propaganda establishment: Matt Drudge and FOX News.
All you need to know to understand the video is that the Drudge, FOX, and the McCain campaign joined forces with Newsbusters to push a story that the San Francisco Chronicle had concealed an eleven month old recording that supposedly contained devastating audio of Barack Obama proposing to bankrupt the entire coal industry.
Not only was that story false (more detail below), but it turns out that Barack Obama and John McCain have the same position on clean coal technology (update: for more on why clean coal is kind of like a healthy cigarette, see Brad Johnson’s excellent post on the topic), and Ohio’s Republican senator said McCain’s plan to fight global warming would “put coal out of business.” Here’s the video:
for more, click the link to read the rest of the story.
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
i love how i would get blasted for posting links to free republic but no one blasts daily kos?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
so blast dailykos
i’ve never posted a link from there. if you have a problem with it, spell it out.
and why don’t you try posting something from free republic to see what happens instead of bitching before hand
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
i did before
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/8/20/597450/ot-mccain-is-going-to-win#8222897
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
yes
clean coal is a crock of shit.
that is all
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
The coal story
The people pushing that lack basic reading comprehension skills.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
Which is why
Palin was pushing it.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Can we at least all agree
That “Raising McCain” is the worst song ever?
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
Offered without comment
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FgEGtYWonds
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 3, 2008 8:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So many problems with that song....
I mean sure, “You can have whatever you like” at Dollar General!
(Apologies, I’ve been listening to too much Norm)
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
After the Election
Who will lead the Republican Party since they look like they are going to lose. I believe they can form in to two wings the know-nothing wing= Sarah Palin or a moderate Rockefeller type wing consisting of Christine Todd Whittman and Colin Powell. Bobbye Jindal is a joke and all the Republicans believe Bobbye is their form of Obama (young dynamic politican). Truth is Bobbye is boring and not a great speaker. Jindal is just like Bush a religious nut and a very far right politican.
I'm not a Republican...
…or a Democrat for that matter…
…but I think Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is a good guy to get better exposure. He seems awful bright and he’s not very divisive.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Yeah
He was on that show that comes on right after countdown tonight. Seemed like a reasonable enough guy. But that’s the land of Wellstone and they typically don’t vote for the types of Republicans who would make the base of the party happy, so I’m not sure. I’m just not familiar enough with him.
Don’t know if he’d take it, but since the RNC chair is about to get the axe I have to wonder if Gingrich will get an offer for that.
by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
talk about a username that perfectly describes the user.
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
Longhorn, what do you think of Pawlenty?
I’d be interested to hear from a conservative.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
are you Indian?
is that why you hate Jindal?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Jindal
Jindal is book smart but he’s not dynamic. His speeches can put you to sleep. His ideology is just like GWB though (also a religious nut) the Republican party will just be embracing the same thing. At least after an Obama victory we can get a lot of federally funded stem-cell research that we should of gotten 8 years ago.
is that a yes?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
ok
because i’ve seen irrational hatred of him from that group.
because to call him not dynamic is pretty irrational. and there’s no evidence he’s a religious nut either.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Jindal the exorcist
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/bobby_jindals_dance_with_the_d.php
Also, he believes in teaching intelligent design.
by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
and thats a problem because you disagree with it?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Teaching
Yes, I believe you shouldn’t teach children fairytales over real science.
by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
lol
but then again you also think “bobbye jindal” is the gov of LA lol
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
I added an extra e
A lot of people spell bobby with an extra e big deal and a lousy put down from a guy that believes in creationism
by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
so i am an idiot for believing in creationism?
what if i happen to think your an idiot for thinking “bobbye jindal” is a “just like Bush a religious nut and a very far right politican.”?
lets see you back this up…
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Is this the best you can do?
I’m sorry that you believe in fairytales. I’m sorry for insulting you. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy? I’m just curious. For facts I posted an article about bobby earlier you can read. Bobby oposes abortion without exception. He votes against stem cell research. Supports teaching intelligent design. 100% pro-life voting record.
There you go…. Have a nice day…..
by Monkey Brain on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
and again
because i too am opposd to abortion, i am against a lot of stem cell research, i want ID and evolution both in schools and i am pro-life am i an idiot?
not at all
it is possible to believe in things different than what you believe in and not be an idiot.
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
He was
Showing the similarities between Bush and Jindal. You have a serious persecution complex.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
and?
im sure i can find similarities between carter and obama?
hell between bush and obama
between any two people in politics they are somewhat similiar
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Great
I’m hoping the Republican Party keeps embracing those views of yours so that they will be out power for the next 50 years.
If men had babbies they would be getting abortions at 7-Eleven.
by Monkey Brain on Nov 4, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
You do
Have a serious spelling problem.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
We're aware.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
If men had babbies they would be getting abortions at 7-Eleven.
My god… the avenues this could go.
I’m still laughing.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 4, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, it is
a problem. Intelligent Design is a poorly disguised attempt to teach the creation story in public schools. That is religion, not science, and belongs in church and home, not school. Why on earth would anyone want their school science teacher teaching kids the creation story?
If your kid isn’t getting enough religious education in church and at home that’s your problem.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
i wont get in this arguement with you because we will both get nowhere
sry i brought it up, that was my point
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
haha thx
im not gonna change your mind/your not gonna change mine
thx
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
You won't because you'll lose
You can’t make a rational argument for teaching that stuff in a public school.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
again
not going to change my mind/im not gonna change yours
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
i don't think anything should be federally funded
should all be based on the states. I am very comfortable with anarchy really. I hate gov’t.
If
If you had Parkinsons you would have a different view.
by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Thats
because you are not suffering from Parkinsons right now but if you did you would change just like everyone else.
by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
In all seriousness,
you are right in that I am not suffering at this moment, and do not know EXACTLY what I would want in those circumstances. I try my best not to allow my own circumstances to inform what I hold to be true, but I don’t know what I would do in that situation. Hope this clarifies.
just as a small note
jindal = catholic
GWB = methodist
…just saying
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
im not sure i know any bobbye jindal’s
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what
you’re watching, but I am most certainly part of the Republican base and I can most certainly tell you that Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, and Bobby Jindal are all viewed favorably and are looked upon as the future.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
I'm sorry.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
Is it worth it
to drive about an hour or so from UNT back to my precinct to vote tomorrow?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
I drove 45 mins from here on Thurs
but on election day, good luck with those lines.
depends
McCain will win TX but if you care about some down ballot races then its worth it. Senate District 10 is a good race I bet that Kim Brimer will win. In district HD-97 I bet Mark Shelton will win. In HD-96 I bet that Chris Turner will win. Those are some pretty close down ballot races
I think I'll go ahead and do it.
Just checked and gas is $1.97 at Exxon. I honestly never thought I would see sub 2.00 gas in my lifetime. Although it’s pretty much guaranteed to skyrocket back up after the election…
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
1.89 in tulsa sucka!!!
that 8 cents goes a long way
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
I've been thinking it will slowly rise (as to not raise eyebrows)
But you’d have to be on the short bus to think there’s not a correlation with the election… same thing happened 2 years ago.
Uhh
It could have something to do with oil futures being around $60 right now.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
+1
lol
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
How is the election...
…making prices go down?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 3, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
I've tried to think about that
…and cannot see even a weird, crazy correlation. Oil was in a speculation-driven bubble that burst. Now the worldwide economic slowdown is curbing demand, which is obviously why prices are falling. OPEC and Saudi Arabia will soon announce cuts in production, I would imagine, and prices may or may not go up a little bit before stabilizing.
Nothing to do with the election. Everything to do with the economy.
by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Conspiracy theory
Although even when oil futures were extremely high I thought this would happen. Maybe I’m just sleep deprived.
Maybe there's some bias, but interesting
No doubt that incumbents like to see gas prices falling ahead of an election. But having any real power to influence price is a different matter. Since gas prices are once again falling as we head toward an election, I thought I would try to put this myth to rest. So, I decided to tabulate the price behavior of gasoline stretching back over the past three presidential elections. I chose to track the price from the beginning of summer driving season – Memorial Day – until the first part of November when the elections take place.
The results are shown below:
Year Memorial Day November 1 % Change Comments
1996 $1.32 $1.27 -3.8 Presidential election (PE)
1997 $1.26 $1.22 -3.2 No elections (NE)
1998 $1.11 $1.05 -5.4 Congressional elections (CE)
1999 $1.15 $1.27 10.4 NE
2000 $1.58 $1.57 -0.6 PE
2001 $1.74 $1.25 -28.2 NE; 9/11
2002 $1.43 $1.49 4.2 CE
2003 $1.53 $1.58 3.3 NE
2004 $2.09 $2.08 -0.5 PE
2005 $2.14 $2.42 13.1 NE; Hurricane Katrina
2006 $2.94 $2.25 -23.5 CE; refining capacity recovers
2007 $3.25 $3.06 -5.9 NE; gas prices set records
2008 $3.99 ? -? PE; gas prices set records
Personally, I think one would be hard-pressed to find a pattern there. The biggest price drop happened in a non-election year, albeit it was an anomaly caused by 9/11. Of the thirteen years recorded, gasoline prices fell between Memorial Day and November during nine of the years. This is what I generally tell people: Prices fall for seasonal reasons, and do so even when there are no elections. The reason prices fall is that demand for gasoline falls after the summer. The price generally peaks in early summer, and following Labor Day in early September the price falls. (The details of why this generally occurs was explained in The Transition to Winter Gasoline).
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 3, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously, so people can afford to go to the polls.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Well, then.
The Democrats must have it rigged. Damn socialists.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
Is anyone here on LSB...
still undecided?
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 3, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply actions
I am
Boy, I’m just having a lot of trouble deciding. Maybe it’s because my shoes are on the wrong feet again.
by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
i know we're supposed to be nice
so please don’t answer this question in the affirmative.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I'm not...
I already voted here in California.
I’m just curious to see if anyone really waits to this, the last minute, to decide.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 3, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
If I were going strictly on personality, McCain has certainly charmed me more than Obama recently.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Because of SNL?
If Obama was that far behind you’d better believe he’d do all he could to charm. He doesn’t need to risk it now.
The interview with Chris Berman and the "We-will-go-all-the-way" comment...
It may be cheesy… but, at least the guy is trying.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I would think if I were going strictly on personality.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Obama
It really seems like he has mailed it in lately. Probably something to do with his ridiculous lead.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
redic lead?
five thirty eight predicts 6 pts
wait, you meant lead in the EC?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
346>191 is a pretty good lead. Probably should have clarified in what though.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
si si
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
6 points
is a pretty big lead going on the last few elections. certainly big enough to be sitting on it
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
its a big lead but not redic. by any standards
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
The thing I can't figure out...
Is why all of the polls have such a heavy weighting of dems.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
is this a joke?
might it have something to do with the fact that nobody wants to be a republican right now?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
i do?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
but you believe creationism needs to be taught in schools.
You are part of the tiny base that would vote for Hitler if the Republicans nominated him.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
seriously?
HITLER?
no i dont vote for people simply because they have a R next to their names (nor do i vote against them if they have a D)
i choose not to vote for obama because i oppose his viewpoints on nearly all major issues and most of the minor ones
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
The polls...
apparently oversampled dems in 2004, too. And the polling numbers were sometimes wildly inaccurate in the Dem. primaries, as well.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I didn't say that...
but I think the results aren’t going to be as lopsided as the polls suggest.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
It all depends on who's giving you these figures.
I’m sure FOX has McCain leading in some kind of poll.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 4, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
no they didn't
the polls had the race pegged pretty well in 2004.
but as RangersOCD said, live out your fantasy one more night.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Man...
I don’t know why the election season has turned you into such a sourpuss.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
you beat me by a few seconds
you are raining on my parade, politics is emotionally charged, you’re arguing stats, lots of other reasons.
but i feel like you aren’t ocmpletely reasonable either
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
also
it’s not like i’m looking at one pollster. I’m reading hundreds of polls over the last month or two with a ton of analysis done about these polls and it seems like you refuse to look deeper than just numbers.
maybe i am to slavish to fivethirtyeight but it answers pretty much any question you have on the polls and even if you have problems with the assumptions, you can adjust the numbers ot reflect it.
anyway, to look at all these numbers and to insist that the numbers aren’t as lopsided as the polls make them out to be borders on being contrarian. like you’ve turned off the logic part of your brain
but you did have a legitimate complaint about the polls and i was too dismissive.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
...
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGI2ODFmM2VmMGJlZjUwYWQzZGFkZjIzN2YwZTg5Mjc=
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
perhaps a bit harsh
point is, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Dems outnumber Repubs this cycle. There are plenty of reasons why that is the case now more than in 2004.
What is interesting is that when polls weight Dems and Repubs. the same, it’s usually not because they think that is the actual distribution – they just neglect this issue altogether.
It’s probably safe to say that Dems won’t outnumber Repubs 40-30 but I don’t think the polls that have Obama ahead by 7-8 points are weighting that much. Even if they are, it seems like there is enough justification for it
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
The polls...
are weighting Dems anywhere from +6 to +12, depending on the poll.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I think that is a reasonble range
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
even if he was losing by a lot according to his internal polls
why would he say that?
why WOULDNT he say that it was “closer than he thought”?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
duh
Even you won’t admit you are a Republican anymore.
In 2004 the polls were pretty right outside of zogby. The exit polls were complete shit, and will be even more worthless this year with all the early voting.
"Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor"
I seem to recall this argument from 2006
when the talking heads said it would be closer in the legislative races.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Because...
…of new voter registrations and other polls asking about party ID.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
also stop saying redic
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Wow...
Palin is in Reno right now.
The night before the election and the city they choose to put the VP nominee in was Reno, fucking NV? Was Billings, MT booked?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Speaking of lodges, does anybody know what's going on with all these lodges they're building in Grapevine?
The Gaylord, The Great Wolf…
I thought resorts were places you went to get away from it all.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Wyoming
That would the safest place for McCain and Palin. McCain will probably win the state by 30 points (more than Arizona or Alaska). But, as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, at least we get to shoot pistols in the air when we leave the voting booth.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
Too late to try to win
but never too late for gamblin’ and whorin’ I always say.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
you would do both
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
ZIIIINNNNNGGGGGG!!!
Boy, he really got you there, Cahill. Ouch!
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 3, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Fund raiser
at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
well
For a McCain Miracle Nevada is a must….. You need to spend more time with the Magic Map.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
She should be in...
FL, OH, VA, NC, PA, or even MO.
The race is over by the time the polls hit NV tomorrow.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
making her way back to Alaska
to vote tomorrow…….. Probably last stop before heading North.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
although
according to the link below you can absentee vote in Alaska by FAX!!
I’m pretty sure all candidates go to their hometown to vote. Tradition? PR?
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/palin_campaigns_across_country.html
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
So..
My uneducated self is thinking an Obama win. Swing state predictions: NC to Obama, Florida to McCain and Ohio to McCain.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
OT: Sure wish the Cowboys had a backup QB like Byron Leftwich
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 3, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions
but we have brad johnson
even better!
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Saw this comment on a Citi story
Thought it was funny I know a lot of us on here fit in this dem.
Of all the stupid s*** the Baby Boomers ever foisted upon an unwilling and unappreciative world—and mind you there has been a h*** of a lot of it—I have to say that siring and raising the so-called “Millennials” (or Echo Boomers or Generation Y) to ersatz maturity is turning out to be one of their biggest doozies.
While these erstwhile Deciders-in-Chief sail happily off to Boca to enjoy their swollen retirement packages, golden parachutes, and depreciated vacation homes, the rest of us are expected to clean up the messes they have left behind: an economy spiraling into deep recession, a financial system shorn of all credibility and held together with paper clips and baling wire, and a country that no-one else in the world even fears anymore, much less respects.
Of course, most of this is not the Millennials’ fault. It’s the fault of their dastardly parents, many of whom saddled these kids with this baggage largely in pursuit of their own social status and entitlement. But the kids are the ones who will have to adjust, and learn to deal with what will soon seem a much colder and less friendly world than Sesame Street and Barney led them to believe it would be.
Interestingly enough, investment banking has traditionally been an industry which has been particularly good at taking in lots of talented but jejune youngsters and hammering them into more or less useful corporate citizens. Up until the recent dislocations, investment banking could dangle the three carrots of supersized pay, undeserved social prestige, and premature involvement in the headline-making events of our time, so it tended to attract ambitious, intelligent, and driven college and business school grads who burned to become the next Lloyd Blankfein before the age of 30.
Once they entered the door, however, they found that glamour, prestige, and responsibility were not just lying on the floor waiting to be picked up. They had to be earned with grinding, unrelenting, and mostly unpleasant hard work. No-one coddled the junior investment banker or cocooned him or her in a warm, fuzzy blanket of uncritical esteem and praise. Instead, they beat the s*** out of you, and they were nasty about it, too.
Many wannabe Masters of the Universe found they could not carry the freight. Eighty- to 100-hour work weeks, all-night and all-weekend fire drills, and senior bankers who would as soon spit on you as thank you for a job well done convinced many that they did not have either the aptitude or the desire for a life in investment banking. But for those who survived and even thrived under these conditions, the winnowing took the form of—dare I say it in these inhospitable times?—a defining test of character. They went through the crucible, and they were changed.
Now I will not claim that all those who passed this test and became full-fledged investment bankers were or became good or even pleasant people. Far from it. (How many Green Berets or Navy Seals would you welcome to your cocktail party or nominate for your local PTA? None, I posit.) Instead, they became competent and self-reliant, which at least in ages past signified a level of social maturity devoutly to be wished for.
This, as I see it, is exactly the sort of trial by fire that so many of today’s Millennials desperately need, if only to help them cut the parental apron strings and learn to achieve something admirable which is wholly their own. Unfortunately, investment banking is no longer the sort of industry with the draw and demand to deliver this to more than a select few of them.
So I guess we can expect a lot of twenty-somethings to slosh over into the entrepreneurial bucket, while they’re waiting for the economy to turn and Goldman Sachs to come begging at their doorstep again. We’ll see how well that works out for them. I, for one, am less than sanguine that 70 million of them can earn a living from marketing Web 2.0 freeware, but what do I know? Maybe there is an Incrediboy in the bunch who can invent a way to make everyone rank in the 99th percentile. Let’s just hope he doesn’t have to cut us all off at the knees to make us giants.
My guess is that most of these Millennials will have to sponge off Mom and Dad for several years until the recession ends and they can find a real job. This will have the simultaneously salutary effect of reminding Junior that Mom and Dad do not have all the answers and forcing Mom and Dad to burn through more of their ill-gotten wealth transfer gains to support their indigent progeny. One can hang a tenuous hope that there is justice in this world on much flimsier nails.
In the meantime, let me offer a piece of advice to any Millennials who might be looking to interview at Dealmaker LLC. If you “want to be treated like colleagues rather than subordinates and expect ready access to senior executives,” take a job at the local Starbucks. We do command and control here, buddy, and you’re at the bottom of the food chain.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Woah
Should have previewed that. Feel free to delete.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
My parents taught me to be frugal with my expenses.
I don’t have an HDTV, an iPhone or even a laptop.
If I could afford those things, sure, I’d like to have them.
A colleague of mine has all of those… He’s also mired in $11,000 worth of credit-card debt.
Some of that is his fault, but, who the hell raised his credit limit that high in the first place?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
I can understand the first two, but you got to get a laptop.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
speaking of laptops
anyone use any specific sites to get a reputable battery? (dell comp fwiw)
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
The majority of my friends have graduated college and gotten the typical 40K a year job. So many were never told no by their parents growing up that they now expect everything that they went without in college to come to them with little repercussions. I don’t know if they are trying to life the same lifestyle as their parents but I they seem to think it is necessary to have a $1500 rent payment and $600 car payment along with the latest technology. It just never seizes to amaze me how young people can be so irresponsible with money.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
The same banks
who were pushing mortgages not too long ago.
I sometimes thing we need to go back to the old, easier bankruptcy laws, so companies will be a little more leary about offering easy credit.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Hmm
I have all those and no debt
But then again Cahill is my best customer in the whorin’ and gamblin’ lodges I run.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
millenials
A friend of mine used to work as the Greek life administrator at a local University. He said parents would call up and complain when their kids didn’t get into their preferred sorority or fraternity, instead of the students coming to him personally. He then told me about a study that said millennials that graduate will sometimes have their parents call their bosses to complain about something at work instead of doing it themselves. All of this is anecdotal of course, but it makes me glad I’m a gen-xer.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
Damn kids these days
Not only are they soft, but they need to get the hell off of my lawn.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I saw a story on the news one time
About these kids showing up to JOB INTERVIEWS with their fucking parents.
Spoiled little shits. This is the future of our country, ladies and gentlemen. MOMMA!!!!
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
yep
As a college student I know way too many people like this. “Wahhh mommy, it’s too hard to work, party and go to school. I know you already pay my rent but can you start sending me beer money too?”
I’ve worked all the way through college. I paid my rent, bought my food, and bought a shit load of alcohol. And you know what? I still managed to finish my undergrad Cum Laude. So eat a dick frat boys.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
The delicious irony of this
is all of the older, likely uneducated professionals taking out loans, living above their means and completely neglecting basic finance in general. Thirty thousand-aires who got a little carried away … we can’t lay that one on the “millenials.”
But surely we’ll have plenty of time to screw it up worse. I mean, the bar has been set oh so insurmountably high.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t blame the "millenials" I blame the parents for not teaching these kids to think and act for themselves. I’m pretty pissed at my parent’s generation for leaving the country in such a bad state.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
Ok
That’s a slightly more valid position.
And you should make sure to blame your grandparents for allowing your parents to enter such a state.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
The way I see it (and I admit that it is very likely that I am talking out of my ass) my parent’s generation did a lot more experimenting in many areas like drug use, sexual freedom, anti-establishment. Some worked out well like the civil rights movement. Others meant years of unresolved issues like sexual culture wars and the drug war. One of the ways they experimented was in child rearing which was drastically different then the way they were raised (i.e. no spankings, entitlement of the children). That hasn’t worked out well as far as I can tell, but what do I know. I’m just a schmuk on a message board.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Early returns are in
Obama winning the popular vote 15-6.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/dixville.notch/index.html
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Thats like the first time
I remember them going Democratic. Dixville Notch is normally slam dunk Republican.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
I just voted.
The 12th person to vote in my precinct. I feel so damn patriotic.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
I heard that in Harris county
that as much as half the vote is already in, depending on turnout.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
No traffic this morning
to speak of in Murphy. I remember the primaries when it was an absolute zoo. I think more people voted early in Murphy then will vote today.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
This is encouraging
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/11/04/1104dunbar.html
State Board of Education Member Cynthia Dunbar isn’t backing down from her claim that Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama is sympathetic to terrorists plotting to attack the U.S.
…
“I don’t have anything in there that would be retractable,” said Dunbar, R-Richmond. “Those are my personal opinions, and I don’t think the language is questionable.”
In a column posted on the Christian Worldview Network Web site, Dunbar wrote that a terrorist attack on America during the first six months of an Obama administration “will be a planned effort by those with whom Obama truly sympathizes to take down the America that is threat to tyranny.”
She also suggests Obama would seek to expand his power by declaring martial law throughout the country.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 4, 2008 7:57 AM CST reply actions
Senate Races
Figured I’d post this for anyone who doesn’t visit FiveThirtyEight.
Looks like MN will be the state to keep an eye on today. Nate also says Dems holding 60 seats in the Senate looks like a longshot (15% chance).

I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
Didn't Dole recently
snatch defeat from the jaws of victory recently? I thought she used to have a better chance.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Yeah
She had a lead up until the past few weeks but eventually lost it. Last week she started running an attack ad (putting it kindly) claiming her opposition was an atheist. Let’s just say that didn’t go over too well with NC voters. Now she’s getting sued.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/dole-sued-for-g.html
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
I am tired
of seeing people on here saying that those who want Intelligent Design taught in public schools “believe in fairytales”.
I think these atheists believe in fairytales even more if they think the world came from nothing. good luck with that.
"God doesn’t step in and give us immunity from bad things. Otherwise, there would be no reason to cultivate faith." -TedFord
TAKE THAT BILL MAHER
you jerk
"God doesn’t step in and give us immunity from bad things. Otherwise, there would be no reason to cultivate faith." -TedFord
Sigh
/Richard Dawkins
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
?
i don’t follow
"God doesn’t step in and give us immunity from bad things. Otherwise, there would be no reason to cultivate faith." -TedFord
Google him and catch up.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think it was all intelligent design
by the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his Noodly Appendage.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
I think 4Him needs to look into it.
1. I’d really rather you didn’t act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don’t believe in me, that’s okay. Really, I’m not that vain.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
so
nobody has said anything about who how obvious it is that Atheists believe in fairytales too…
all y’all can do is joke around
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
Stop
Or I’ll be forced to ridicule you.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
you stop
none of you guys can be taken seriously. y’all are masters of double talk who love to feel Elite.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
Read below
You’re getting in way over your head, kiddo.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
I love how
Not believing in something is proof of belief in something.
The mental gymnastics of this kid are amazing.
It's not?
Why do you say that? Do you have anything at all to back that rather broad assertion up?
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh.
Nobody disputes that biological life has a starting point. That’s not in dispute. The “dispute” is whether life started with man (nope) or simple-celled organisms (yep).
I’m afraid you’re not quite sure what you’re arguing here.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing is obvious
and nothing is provable either way, everyone is going on faith. Even if you believe in nothing you’re going on faith that you’re right about that. Now shut up about it and stick to politics.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Fair enough
So why shouldn’t the view that Jesus was not the Christ be taught in public schools? That seems like a legitimate disagreement, after all.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be fine with that
so long as the belief that Jesus is Christ is taught as well. Each viewpoint must be taught from a master of that viewpoint. Probably in a video series.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
So why not
The view that God doesn’t exist at all?
My biggest question: why are you so unsure of your religion that you need outside help to indoctrinate children?
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I never said
that evolution/atheism shouldn’t be taught.
2nd off: I’m not very good at putting things into words.
allow me to direct you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NbPdm6-Hc&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=summit+worldview+ministries&search=Search
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
Try harder to put it into words
Because I’m not going to watch any videos.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
+1
And if you can’t put anything into words, your thoughts are probably irrelevant anyway.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
evolution/atheism
You realize that for many those two things are not synonymous. Many scientists have no problem reconciling faith and science.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
and
I can’t reconcile faith and evolution, it can’t be done. The Bible is absolute truth.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
ding ding ding....
…we have a winner!!!!
brett tell him what he’s won…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
i've gotta say...
only the dark side believes in absolutes…
you have faith and congratulations on that, but faith isn’t fact, no matter how much you believe in it…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Dude
Cut it out. You even have Christians disagreeing with you. It’s the absolute truth to you. And that’s great. But that doesn’t mean it’s truth to everyone.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
Doesn't any religion think that?
Jewish people will say the Torah is absolute truth and Muslims will say the same about the Quran.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
your not going to convince them
no matter what you say
and you will probably get blasted for having personal viewpoints
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Personally, I go to church for my religious training.
The wonderful thing about that is that I can go to the church of my choosing and not be forced to listen to religious interpretations with which I don’t agree. And frankly, I don’t want my kids getting their religious training in public schools either. Their religion, or lack thereof, is none of the government’s business and it is certainly not the government’s business to push any religion on anybody.
Have my fellow Christians really become so lazy that they have to use the government and public schools to spread their beliefs to others?
by this thinking
should evolution be taught in public schools? should the Big Bang Theory be taught?
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
Neither of those
Have anything to do with religion.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
it is
a religion in itself. it is a belief, not a fact, no matter how much you believe it is a fact.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
That's simply untrue.
And I know you really have no background to prove what you’re asserting, so I’ll just gently chide you on this matter.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
negative.
logic and evidence, things used in science, are what make it the polar opposite of religion.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Whose logic
and which rationality, though? If you use logic and rationality as the legtimizing factor in a totalizing metanarrative, as you are obviously doing, then you are making the same tired mistake that has been made since Descartes. All of reality is interpreted reality and it never appears to us as mere brute facts. This is even doubly so in science in which the phenomena must be interpreted, the philosophical discipline of phenomenology, and then placed into categories of the mind, somewhat of a Kantian synthetic a priori.
To be so presumptuous to say that “religion” never uses logic is quite the leep, as well. I take it you have never read a single work of say a St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas? Or if you prefer Islam, Avicenna and Al-Ghazali? They all used both Platonic, Neo-Platonic and Aristotelian sources. Aquinas refers to Aristotle as the Philosopher, and his entire dialectic is centered around Aristotelian logic.
The problem with modern science is the denial of both the formal and the final causes. Only the material and efficient causes are looked at. What is the end for which we were created/evolved? Again I say, whose logic?
religion and science
both attempt to explain what we cannot understand and our greatest fears, they just do it in very different ways. Both are “logical” in that way, and I don’t need to quote philosophers or religious thinkers to say it.
What is completely illogical to me is to think that out of all the cultures that have existed since humans came onto the planet, that somehow, some way, one little group managed to figure it all out and get everything just right in their explanation of creation, what happens after death, etc.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
read thomas and augustine.
aquinas believed in supernatural revelation… which is yet still, not logical or testable.
augustine, thought his stance on vice was interesting and that people tend towards “evil”… but i still find a lack of scientificly testable logic.
don’t confuse logic based on rhetoric and testable logic. and to your other question, why does there need to be a reason we were created? why can’t we have merely evolved? i don’t believe there has to be a higher purpose to existence or evolution. existence and evolution merely are.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Scientific theory
And religion are very different.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
Big Bang Theory
Not that bad of a show…
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
good episode last nite.
the chick from simple rules, who lives across the hall from them is way way hot.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
They're going too heavy on Sheldon-centric shows
But regardless, still a decent half hour of TV
by vfn on Nov 4, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
good show lol
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
big bang theory
remind me which scientist invented that. happy?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
We need to carve out some time
for Satan Worship then. Its a point of view.
Maybe some Wiccan theology.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
So
In your ideal world, the public school system would be so busy pandering to various loud groups that nothing of substance would actually be taught. What a world.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Schools don’t have enough time to teach to the test as it is. Throw in all this other stuff and, well, you know.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
teach to the test
thats whats happening in tx
teachers are teaching the TAKS (and teh TAAS before that) because thats what they will get fired for – TAKS (or TAAS back then) results.
((and yes i know its off topic/not what ppl are talking about but its pretty damn sad))
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Don't they pretty much have to
with “No Child Left Untested”?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
eh this was happening back when i was in 5-6-7-8th grade
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Yep
some states were ahead of the curve in thinking that everything about education can be measured by some test.
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There was a time
they spent the majority of Education on works of faith.
It was called the Dark Ages. I really think there are those in the Fundie Christian and Fundie Islamic groups who think of them as the good old days.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Actually, during the European dark ages, the Islamic empire was a bastion of learning and a cultured civilization. This included treating women far better then they do today. IMO, the European dark ages were the good old days for Islam.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
heh
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 4, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Proof!
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
one person.
one person said it was a fairytale. The rest of us believe it’s not science and therefore shouldn’t be taught in schools.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Shouldn't you be at recess or something?
Dodgeball hint: aim for the fat kid…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 4, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Can everyone please stop talking about religion
No one will be able to convince anyone of anything. At least in politics you have a way to keep score. I look forward to Ben being proved wrong after an Obama landslide. :)
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no
I have plenty of people who have the same religion as me and the same values as me, but not the same politics as me. My parent for example are staunch republicans (although they say they are independents despite the fact that they haven’t voted for a democrat in decades). Even if you are right, it doesn’t mean you can’t talk about politics without talking about religion.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
i disagree
i think you’re stupid if you have the same exact beliefs as someone but vote differently. It makes zero sense.
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I didn’t say the same exact beliefs, I said the same religion and the same values. That is not the same thing.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I'll be generous.
I’ll give you a chance to amend that statement. Otherwise, you’re officially going to lose all credibility on essentially every topic.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
all I'm saying
is that if one has the exact same beliefs as another, that means they have the exact same stances on the issues of the election, meaning they would vote for the same candidate. To do likewise is stupid. If that makes me lose credibility with you guys, then I don’t care, because y’all are wrong and intolerant.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
how old are you?
it doesn’t matter. College doesn’t make you magically enlightened.
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no, but...
…you won’t know til you get there what it does do.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
He'll go
to some little Bible college where he can close his mind even more.
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Indeed
Some people are so far behind they start thinking they are ahead…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
not all churches are close minded
That’s a gross generalization on your part if you think so.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
The comment isn't about a church
it’s about the hypocrisy of being active in a church, yet claiming that Bible college closes people’s minds.
thats not exactly hypocritical...
bible colleges are definitly more close minded than most any liberal arts school. whilest church isn’t exactly where i should be learning about biology.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
That is most definitely not hypocrisy
There are certainly some schools that strongly discourage any but the most narrow interpretations of the Bible. How is it hpocrisy for me to say that?
Hypocrisy would be if I attended or taught at a Bible college and then said that.
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Yes
it is. It is closed minded to expect that all the questions have been answered or can be answered simply by believing hard enough and asserting that the Bible is true word for word.
My faith is strong enough that it can withstand the earth not being flat, evolution as a part of creation, and many other scientific. It is also strong enough to withstand no public prayer in schools, no ten commandments in courthouses, no creches on public property and other things many Christians waste their time worrying about. None of these things are crucial to faith or the health of the church.
Render unto Caesar and all that. Take care of your own faith and lead by example, not by loudly proclaiming on street corners.
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you work in a church?
good for you
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Experience does
Nice cop out though.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
I completely agree.
I don’t claim to be magically enlightened, or enlightened at all. I’m just curious.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
sex does
you have no crediiblity until you have sex.
which, by the way, is why ralph nader doesn’t have much
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Ding!
College doesn’t make you magically enlightened.
Says the person that hasn’t gone to college. That about sums it up for dstar.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
it doesnt
i have met some complete IDIOTS that graduated from a (farily) good school with me
these people are no smarter when they leave school than they were when they came in
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
I'm a Catholic.
I voted for Obama.
My dad’s a Catholic.
He voted for McCain.
Kindly explain that one.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
I'll take this one.
You’re not really Catholic, or American, and your dad is. Simple, really.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
you do understand that people can have different viewpoints but be of the same faith, correct?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
No explantion
needed. You’re just stupid. :)
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
You would be right.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
why
did you guys vote differently?
and I would argue that only one of you two are Catholic. You’re not just a Catholic if you say you are. There are absolute Catholic beliefs.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
again with the absolute thing...
absolutes are for fundamentalists… mainly because they take the thought out the situation and reduce the questioning that thought entails, curtailing any need for proof or explanations.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Absolute
Zero. The absence of movement.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
i was gonna be comical...
…but you’re boring me. scientific absolutes are based on testable facts. religious absolutes are based on non-testable beliefs that no maktter how strong are still just theories that cannot be tested and where only hypothesized because of one persons exogesis of a writing. if there were testable absolutes then there wouldn’t be so many different faiths, or so many different sects within religions. the silly part is, if you had grown up in china, you wouldn’t believe the “absolute” truths you’re trying to preach right now… faith isn’t a fact or it wouldn’t be faith.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
which is what i was saying...
absolutes in science, yes. absolutes in beliefs, no.
“you’re not catholic because you say you are…”
thats an absolution regarding a belief. and i bet if you asked the frickin Pope, he’d say who says they’re catholic is catholic.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Because the importance of issues matters.
We differ on Iraq, which has nothing to do with religion.
We differ on health care, which has nothing to do with religion.
We differ on taxes, which has nothing to do with religion.
We differ on whether or not the United States should police the world, which has nothing to do with religion.
I am a Catholic. Just because I’m voting for a Democrat doesn’t make me less desirable in the eyes of God.
My dad’s a Catholic. Just because he’s voting for a Republican doesn’t make him less desirable in the eyes of God.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
well I would say
that you don’t have the same beliefs then. Each of those stances on the issues are beliefs.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
heres a question
but are you smarter than he is for having different beliefs than him?
is he less smart than you are?
because on this board if you have different viewpoints than the majority of the people out there, you are painted as a faaaaaaaaar right winger who might as well be a neo-con who wnats to invade iran, n korea, russia and venezuela
thats the biggest problem i have with this board. if someone has a differing viewpoint they get blasted because they are idiots, wrong and should be kicked out of the country
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
actually... it begat us all...
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
I HOPE IT'S POTATO SOUP!!! I LOVE POTATO SOUP!
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
hahahahaha
That’s the best one yet.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
because u said?
great answer, pointed comeback. ever think of running for office in Alaska?
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Curious
dstar are you a Protestant? If so do you believe in the Priesthood of the Believer?
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
i do not believe
that one gets to Heaven through Baptism. I go to a Bible Church.
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haha
“let us now read from the psalm of the backhand flip.”…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
hah!
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
who decided what books would make up those "real bibles"
i’ll leave alone the easier question of real or not…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
so, how come the council...
…got to decide which books made it in? why not the book of sarah, or mary, or philip?
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
special revelation
and discrepancies…
plus, why would they have put the things that Jesus did in the New Testament in the Bible during this time period. He treated women well and other things. Why would the apostles believe in what Jesus was doing knowing that they would possibly be murdered?
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
when was the council of nicea?
without wikipedia. please.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Any particular reason then ...
that the votes were not all unanimous? Did God make those delegates that wanted other gospels included err in their thinking? If there was just one way to put the book together, and God chose that way and directed the delegates to do his bidding, why didn’t he make everything unanimous?
because
then it would be obvious that the Bible is real. God, I believe, doesn’t want it to be obvious. He wants people to go to heaven through overcoming.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
That seems like a real asshole thing to do.
If God really loves us unconditionally, why would He give us conditions?
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
wait
let’s not debate religion. i mean, you can, but i think that’s gettign away from the real arguments here.
1) there’s no absolute religion and at the very least, you shouldnt’ be so certain about it
2) you shouldn’t confuse a religiosu belief with scientific fact
arguing salvation beliefs of different religions can be enlightening but doens’t really deserve ridicule in teh same way as the other ideas.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
that
sounds like an absolute statement to me when you say there is no absolute religion.
ZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGG
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It really is like arguing with Seth.
The resemblances are frightening.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
His point was simple.
The only way to prove something is absolute is to test it.
How do you test religious beliefs? I’m very interested to hear.
That is the difference between faith and science: you can test science. You can’t test faith.
In fact, that’s the definition of faith:
belief that is not based on proof
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
but there
is still an absolute truth of the world. It can be tested. How can humans have thoughts, how can that come from anything other than God. Why is everything so orderly in the world. All science points straight to the fact that God is real.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
All thoughts
come from the flying spaghetti monster, duh.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
complexity isn't proof of god.
especially when all those complexities are being expplained on a daily basis with scientific discoveries.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Oh my science....
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
saying that there is no absolute religion
doesn’t disprove that there are other absolutes. there can be no absolute religion but I absolutely think you’re a jackass, for instance
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
everyone doesn't go to heaven
there are conditions. why is there evil in the world?
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
it was political...
…nicea chose the texts followed by most of the christian sects at the time. the canon was put together 300 years after christ and his disciples were alive, so that whole, why preach what they could see thing, is completely false. it obviously left out any text by a woman, though there are two very specific ones they could have chosen.
its comical that you would qestion something testable, but not something untestable. sounds like you have…. faith. which is a complete lack of facts. which is fine. its the definition of faith, to believe in something in the vacuum of facts. but don’t tell others who chose to question it they’re wrong.
i would love to see dstarr and 4Him debate which is actually right since i’m sure neither of them believes in the same interpretation of the text.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
the woman's
book didn’t match up with the rest of the Bible… it’s that simple. but don’t say that’s sexist… Jesus did things in the Bible that went against everything that was culturally normal… why would a king sacrifice himself?… why would they even right that?
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it didn't match up with a lot of...
…texts that were left out of the canon. so why was it wittled down to just the ones that fit together? jesus didn’t dictate what was in the bible. why not offer a variety of first hand views of jesus? why just the ones that fit together?
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Jesus
didn’t dictate it, he was human. God and the Holy Spirit did.
and you didn’t answer why they would even write about a king coming to die.
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i was pretty sure...
…jesus of nazareth was a carpenters son on earth. which is a pretty far reach from king.
oh, and the canon was placed together by the council of nicea in an attempt to unify the varying christian sects. and though you can argue they did it while filled with the holy spirit, i was always under the impression that people make their own decisions.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
would make sleeping in a single kinda crowded.
double talk. we’re getting to the bottom of the religious playbook.
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Council of Chalcedon
in 451 is what defined this, since you brought up Nicea earlier. It is part of the 7 ecumenical councils, in case you are wondering.
" Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; “like us in all things but sin.” He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.
We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation (in duabus naturis inconfuse, immutabiliter, indivise, inseparabilter). The distinction between natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis.
sounds a lot like
the nicean creed.
eitherway, as my rhetoric professor always said, “what does that have to do with the price of bread?”
if you’re going spend time typing something that long, it should do more than quote scripture or prayers. bring a new point, its how discussions happen.
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faith
based on facts. I have looked at the facts and considered which one world-view is right, ’cause one of them is. Biblical Christianity is!
faith is a belief in an absolute truth. there is no wishy-washiness like some of you guys have.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
what facts?
did you base this decision on????
oh, and faith is belief in an absolute truth?… you can have faith in it, but having faith in it, doesn’t mean that it is actually an absolute truth
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
look at the
orderly facts of science, they point straight to a Creator. Which of the religions with a Creator makes most sense? Biblical Christianity.
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i would love to...
know the facts behind god.
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It didn't come from God.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
How is complexity
proof? I would think that would be a mark against it, actually.
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evolution, or even just plain randomness
explains complexity much better than a designer/creator.
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so believing in something...
…makes it so?
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By definition
faith is a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
faith is a belief in an absolute truth.
No it is not. Faith is belief in that which cannot be proven.
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Yep.
So Muslims think the Qu’ran is real. Who are you to tell them that their reality is wrong?
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
i am most
certainly someone to tell them what is wrong, because I know what is right. However, they do have faith in an absolute truth of the world.
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Ever considered
Appreciating what you believe in and respecting what others believe in? You can get along a lot better with people if you do that instead of forcing your views on them.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
You don't find that...asshole-ish?
What if a Muslim came up to you and told you that you’re stupid for believing in Christ?
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Apocrypha
Nicea also picked which books were true and which were nice stories but not true, i.e. the Apocrypha. I am of the opinion that Genesis and Revelation should be considered Apocrypha like Peter’s Apocalypse. That doesn’t make Jesus’ sacrifice any less powerful or real. Jesus should be the focal point of the religion not the myths IMO.
For what it’s worth Thomas Jefferson created his own edited version of the Bible that removed most of the miracles from the text. During the 1800 election, Federalists tried to use this to paint him as an atheist during the first negative Presidential campaign.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
yes
Because I believe in the Priesthood of Believers. I was baptized which makes me a “priest” of God and can interpret the religious scripture for myself without the need for oversight by a governing body (spiritual or otherwise).
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
its about as accurate.
as the council deciding. who’s to say he’s not filled with the spirit of the holy ghost…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Yep
That’s what has always confused me about the Bible and Christianity- if both Catholics and Protestants are both Christian faiths, why is it that they don’t have the same Bible?
The Catholic Bible has several extra books that aren’t in the version that I grew up with in the Southern Baptist Church. If the Bible is truly divinely inspired, clearly one of the two denominations has the wrong Bible, and is leading its followers astray, right?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Doesn't it seem odd to you
That you base your entire belief system on the aspiration of self-fulfillment?
I understand people following tenets of different religions in order to have a more fulfilling existence and to serve others, but what you advocate seems, to me, like using God as a means to an end. The end? Your eternal happiness.
by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
does it seem odd
to you that you believe we are all randomly alive with no direction whatsoever?
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Not really.
That seems pretty logical, actually. But there is a direction: we’re dwindling down the days until the destruction of Earth. I just believe that the destruction will come from the sun or another celestial body.
I’m disappointed that you can’t separate your faith from the context of your background or your cognizance.
does it feel odd to you
that this is all just a test?
(I stole that from House who I’m sure stole it from somewhere else)
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
dstar442005
You’ve done a good job here with your comments and questions. What you have shared will challenge and help those who are teachable. For those who are unteachable, it will be rejected and their gaps will remain. They remain, not because the knowledge or the perspective is unavailable, but because, like the hard-hearted Pharaoh, they deliberately will not hear it, consider it, or accept it.
Some people on here are closed-minded bigots. Some people will be more interested in attacking you than in dealing with what you present. Just remain steadfast in sharing the truth.
In the Bible God has given us everything we need to know about Him, the world, and us. Of course He has not told us everything – He has also deliberately withheld some things from us so that we will be forced to trust Him. In that trust we can quietly and patiently wait for Him. Diligently search for the things that can be known, but don’t be troubled by the things that cannot. Grace to you.
Close-mindedville
I hereby nominate you for Mayor.
And if and when you decide to seek the Governorship of the Principality of the Ironically Oblivious, you’ll have my full and undivided support as well, you stereotype shatterer, you.
God Bless.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
So since
there was no such thing as Christians til at least the Lutheran Reformation in your opinion, since all christians prior to that were Catholics, that means no one was going into heaven til MArtin Luther?
Heaven must’ve been one lonely place.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
What about Mormons?
Do they go to heaven?
Do Jews?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
All dogs do
we can be sure of that, there’s a movie to prove it. Wait, maybe it’s only talking cartoon dogs.
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If there was an election for Heaven
I’d vote a straight dog ticket.
My little mutt Satchmo is a gooder creature than I’ll ever be.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
sigh...
Rangeressary
"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton
whoa whoa whoa
mitt romney has something to say about your “real bibles.”
how can you think about voting for the blasphemous mitt
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Fundamental Bible Church or Evangelical Bible Church?
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
It is my understanding that Evangelicals practice baptism and that all member of the church must be baptized before joining. Is this not correct?
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
ahh my mistake
I was going by Wikipedia.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
that's some different thing
a denomination if you will,
my church is non-denominational.
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
You're a real beating these days
FYI, fwiw.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
in dallas?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
i think you’re stupid if you have the same exact beliefs as someone but vote differently. It makes zero sense.
this makes some sense – because either one is right and one is wrong. or one is not telling the truth about what they believe (or how they vote)
no matter how you do it, 2+2 SHOULD = 4
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
the key word
exact
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
This entire thread is pretty good evidence of why you never debate religion ...
with any fundamentalist. Their answer to everything is essentially, “Because.”
You can’t argue with that. There is no persuading them to consider another point of view. If you want to work up a good case of frustration, you can accomplish that arguing with a fundamentalist. Other than that, there’s really no point to it.
I broke my own advice and started to debate religion and I regret it now. I’m to the point where I’ll treat dstar as a troll when it comes to religion and just ignore him. I hope everyone else does the same. No one’s opinion is going to change at all because of something they read on an internet forum.
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Agreed.
Adam’s really good about letting conversation flow freely, but if there’s one thing I’d like to see banned it would be religious talk. Even more than politics it is impossible to convince the other person, and we just wasted about 200 posts in the “political” thread discussing it.
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Perhaps.
But we all knew this thread wouldn’t survive election night, and in the end, it’s always fascinating to see how other people think, at least for me.
It’s all one big thought experiment here, anyway.
Agreed.
I’ve seen religious discussions get a lot more heated and just simply disintegrate into name calling. At least we haven’t quite stooped that low yet.
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Personally,
I enjoy some of the religious debates, especially when some of the ministers who know the history of religion jump in. I think religion is fascinating.
I think religions are impossible to prove or disprove, but they are fascinating to watch to see how ideas spread.
In the last 100 years or so we have seen the growth of Mormonism and Scientology and the Seventh Day Adventists from pure nonsense to growing organizations. I find all of that fascinating.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Next up
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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We can only hope!
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Well...
I think it would be interesting if you, Brooks, me and another minister or two had a discussion in person some time, but I think this thread is the perfect example of why I never get into these discussions. The thread was emotional and overflowing with ignorance.
I was particularly amused by all of the ridiculous claims about Nicea (which had much more to do with Christology than Scripture), but I’m going to resist because I know that even if I did argue the small effect of Nicea on canon that it would go on deaf ears who would rather believe what some 16 year old kid wrote at Wikipedia. Threads like this are very deflating.
Rangeressary
"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton
I like how there are probably a lot of Republicans around here that aren't Christian
(I know of at least one), but these two work so hard to alienate them.
Secular Country, freedom of religion, separation of church and state, get it?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Discussion requires the prior agreement of a common medium for it to take place
The only one valid for man as we know is reason. Unfortunately discussions with fundamentalists (and their kins in spirit, not purpose) ultimately resorts to a desire to shift the medium of discussion from logic to faith.
Is she talkin'
about how Obama is gonna Bankrupt the Coal industry?
Oh, never mind, that was yesterday’s lie.
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I just had one of
our church choir members spout that to me while she was visiting the office. Confirmation bias at work. She’s also gone on about “hyphenated Americans” in the past as if her ancestors hunted mastadons here or something.
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eh “hyphenated Americans” do frusterate me – why cant everyone be Americans? i dont call my self a “European-American” or a “Texan-American” – i am an AMERICAN
now its one thing if your actually a mexican living in america – or an indian living in america…
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Try to remain calm.
In less than 12 hours, she will be totally irrelevant to the next four years.
Just for four years?
I’ve said it before, I think she’s toast.
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My official election prediction
Electoral:
Obama = 291
McCain = 247
McCain takes FL, OH, MO, NC, IN
Obama takes PA, VA, CO, NM, NV
Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!
Sharky watch
When does he show up? Will he pay ab03 the $200 he will owe him?
I think this will be a more interesting development than the election results.
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Sharky would have to work
5 years to make $200.
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by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
atleast he works.
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
Speaking of working
I gotta get to work. It’s a convoluted week.
Take care, everyone, and I hope none of you have to wait in line for hours to vote.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
i didn't really peg cahill as a trust fund baby
and if he’s retired, you think that’s a bad thing?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Don't try to be logical!
Longhorn’s new routine is the best thing I’ve heard since Carlos Mencia’s last special.
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I'm running a electoral vote pool
and needless to say, amongst California scientists, Obama is projected to win big (338 – 200 right now, with all but one picking an Obama win). This is projection of who will win, though I’d imagine 90% of participants voted for Obama.
Rove predicting a landslide
Similar to my map, except I’ll give Obama NC as well
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Question
do they check ID at Texas polling places? I’ve always been mildly amused that they don’t in California
Also, how do you all vote? (paper/punchcard/computer?)
Since being in California, I’ve used butterfly/punchcard, paper, and computer voting.
By far my favorite was the computer voting. Fast and simple, obviously removes most, if not all, human error from calculations. Of course, we don’t have that anymore, the last few elections have been on paper ballots. I don’t understand the fear of computer voting – the whole “Republicans are rigging the machines” is just as crazy as the whole “Democrats are voting ten times each” fear-mongering.
I voted on computer in Arlington
But a colleague at work voted paper, so I’m sure it depends on the location.
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Computer at school.
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Paper ballot
I still don’t trust those damned machines. The fact I love both the Terminator and Matrix franchises probably has a lot to do with that…
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
The problem with computer voting is that it isn't transparent
How do you do a recount if necessary?
Also, they have been proven to be easily hackable.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 4, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
hacking democracy.
its either hbo or showtime, can’t remember which. its an eye opener. basically the people working the systems don’t know how they work. they can be hacked through the memory cards, not just the machines, and the boards that get to pick the machines to be used are partisans and receive campaign funding from the voting system manufactuarers.
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HBO
Note – that memory card hack was only for the Diebol machines, but I’m sure other machines are just as hackable. I saw that documentary and it really pissed me off. I work in software and security is a big thing for my company. I just wanted to reach through the tv and strangle some of these guys. I’d really like to see a completely open source voting machine. You would have a whole lot of people checking the code to make sure it couldn’t be hacked.
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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that it may not be perfect yet
And certainly partisan forces should be removed from all aspects of the process. But I don’t get why computer voting is singled out for being corruptable. Its just as easy for a precinct worker to steal a bunch of ballots, get them filled out and mix them into the stack later on.
But I agree with BT about transparency. And I think this is in no small part due to your good point about manufactures. These companies want to make the machines needlessly complicated so that they aren’t easy to build so they can charge more with less competition.
To me, an ideal computer voting machine will print you a receipt with a bar code/randomly generated number, etc that is both untraceable to you individually but also points to your particular vote – in theory you could then go home, type in/scan that bar code and see who you voted for. Votes could be immediately logged in multiple locations via different channels – memory cards on site, network communication to a centralized source on site and a centralized district/state source. It’d be pretty difficult to hack all three simultaneously, and targeting a single avenue would be obvious.
from what i read recently...
there is a 1.7% chance for error(or as they call it failure) with the touch screens, and soemthing like .7% with optical scan cards. plus the paper ballots provide a reliable backup vs the computer systems which have none.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
I guess I'm guilty of being an idealistic realist
I think that computer voting has the potential to shatter that 0.7% scan card error rate. You quite simply should never get any errors with a computerized system – the worries about “how do you recount” should go away. There is a maximum level of efficiency with scans or punchcards – you’ll never get above 99.5% accuracy so anything within 0.5% probably requires a recount.
Now, I guess the bigger question is why aren’t computers better? Computers can fly planes, park cars, do any number of automated tasks that . Voting is about as simple a task as possible. Which means that either bureaucracy is keeping it from happening, or these companies are (buy our 2% error machine this year, and next year we’ll sell you a 1% and the year after that a 0.5% error).
Or the more conspiracy-esque idea is that the companies want things complicated because the more complicated they are the easier it is for them to control who wins (or sells that ability to the highest bidder). But I think Derek’s point above can quash that worry.
US Congressman from FL
A Republican — I don’t remember his name — was caught hiring somebody to code what the news called a “hack” or “patch” to the voting machines there.
During the midterms and this election I voted on electronic machines with no paper trail. I don’t like that.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Me too on both counts this year
One cool thing though: I haven’t not voted absentee in 10 years. Forgot what an invigorating feeling actually voting in person is.
Plus, last 10 years, I’ve voted in either TX or CA, 2 places where my vote didn’t really matter. Woohoo for swing states voting!
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where are you?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
VA?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Yes, we've had this discussion a couple of times before
You went to school at Athos’s Alma Mater, and now work and possibly go to school in suburban DC.
I live in Fredericksburg, work at Dahlgren Naval Base, and am involved in new and improved ways to put warheads on foreheads.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
thats what i regarding VA (making sure i was right lol)
the line by where i work (at bill clinton’s church here in DC evidetnly? on 15th) was insane – around the block a couple of times early this AM
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
I was at the polls around 4, no line
What was weird was I only had 3 votes: P, Sen, and Rep.
Never had to not wade through myriad comissioner and treasurer ballots that I had no idea about, and a dozen referendums to boot…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
BBC live bloggin
For those interested, the BBC is doing a live blog of the election here.
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i voted, yay
let’s hope i can break my losing streak (i’m 0-2 in prez elections)
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
i never voted for nader
just buchanon and then badnerik!!!!
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
looking forward
to mccain’s concession speech (i hope)
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."
-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters
Had a good time calling people today
Who knows, if you live in OH or NC, I might’ve at least left a message on your answering machine. :)
Onion article
Made me laugh
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once pops is dead
i hope he writes a true tell all. I don’t believe he’s the Oliver Stone character at all but I also don’t think he had last say in his administration. I’d like to understand the nuance of that presidency better.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I think history
destroys his presidency, and Jimmy Carter becomes very happy that he moves one more spot away from the worst president of all time.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
carter?
we let harding, hayes, and andrew johnson off the hook that easily?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I'm not saying Carter
was at the bottom, but he is probably about as far down as any recent (post WW2) president as we’ve seen. I think Bush will fight it out for bottom 5, but he may have strong competition from Harding, Buchanen, Pierce, Grant, Hayes, etc.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Earlier Onion that proved to be dead on.
Previous Bush Press Conference
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
I would have sworn
You wrote this 5 minutes ago and back-dated it. Kind of creepy….
I did love this:
An overwhelming 49.9 percent of Americans responded enthusiastically to the Bush speech.
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FiveThirtyEight's final projection
Electoral College: Obama 349, McCain 189
Popular Vote: Obama 52.3, McCain 46.2
Notable Obama wins: All Kerry states, Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Florida, North Carolina.
Notable McCain wins: Missouri, Indiana
Chance of winning electoral college: Obama 98.9, McCain 1.1
Senate: Democrats overtake 7 to 8 seats
NC: Hagan over Dole
OR: Merkley over Smith
NH: Shaheen over Sununu
CO: Mark Udall over Schaffer
NM: Tom Udall over Pearce
VA: Warner over Gilmore
MN: Franken vs. Coleman (vs. Barkley) is a tossup, leaning very, very slightly toward Franken
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
I sure hope
Minnesotans wise up at the polls and don’t vote for Franken.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
Whats wrong with Franken?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
He's actually a pretty smart guy
The fact that he was a writer for SNL probably makes RangerMad think he’s a goof.
I can’t think of any celebrities the Democrats have put into office. The Republicans have Reagan, Schwartzenneger, and Sonny Bono. Would Franken be the first?
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Republicans
also have/had (not sure) Gopher from “The Love Boat”.
Can’t forget him :)
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Democrats
I forgot that Cooter from the Dukes of Hazard served a couple of house terms as a Democrat.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
also have fred thompson
and a boat load of athletes
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Gopher
My best friend from HS was a page for Jim Wright (circa 1987), when Fred Grandy was in office.
He said there was this awesome old curmudgeonly smartass of an elevator operator at the Congress, been doing the same job for 30 years or so, who used to love to clown Gopher when he got on for a ride up:
Hey Isaac called. He’s getting dangerously low on umbrella straws….
I thought captain Stubing wanted everybody in cabana wear this evening…
Where to, the Ledo deck??
Good times…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
why don't you tell me something wrong with franken
or something good about coleman (bonus points if you can tell me his first name without looking it up)
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
The End of Journalism
By Victor Davis Hanson
"The media has succeeded in shielding Barack Obama from journalistic scrutiny. It thereby irrevocably destroyed its own reputation and forfeited the trust that generations of others had so carefully acquired. And it will never again be trusted to offer candid and nonpartisan coverage of presidential candidates.
Worse still, the suicide of both print and electronic journalism has ensured that, should Barack Obama be elected president, the public will only then learn what they should have known far earlier about their commander-in-chief — but in circumstances and from sources they may well regret."
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGFhOWY3YTZkMzliYjFjYTlkMjNjMGNhMTc3ZjYyMWM
Ah, the National Review.
Hold on, let me link to something from Daily Kos and claim it is unbiased.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Pfft
in this day and age, any one can get as little or as much info on any public figure that they want. Between the Internet, radio, TV, and newspaper, voters were able to get all the info they needed on all the candidates.
As William Kristol said on the John Stewart show, if Barack Obama wins, he’ll be another normal Democratic President.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
what may be more important about this race is this:
In contrast, Barack Obama, remember, promised that he would accept both public funding and the limitations that went along with it, and would "aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." Then in June 2008, Obama abruptly reneged, bowing out entirely from government financing, the first presidential nominee in the general election to do that since the system was created in 1976.
Obama has now raised over $600 million, by far the largest campaign chest in American political history. In many states he enjoys a four-to-one advantage in campaign funding — most telling in his scheduled eleventh-hour, 30-minute specials that will not be answered by the publicly financed and poorer McCain campaign.
The story that the media chose to ignore was not merely the Obama about-face on public financing, or even the enormous amounts of money that he has raised — some of it under dubious circumstances involving foreign donors, prepaid credit cards, and false names. Instead, they were absolutely quiet about a historic end to liberal support for public financing.
For all practical purposes, public financing of the presidential general election is now dead. No Republican will ever agree to it again. No Democrat can ever again dare to defend a system destroyed by Obama. All future worries about the dangers of big money and big politics will fall on deaf ears.
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
I never understood
the value of public financing. Even back when I used to vote Republican.
I never did check the box on my tax return, since I figured public money for elections was one of the dumber uses of my money.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
basically it evens the playing field
from derek’s post below:
the whole idea behind it was to level the playing field so that the best candidates would emerge instead of the best funded candidates
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
It really doesn't though
Because you can run advertisements or propaganda without using public election funds. How much is Hannity and Limbaugh worth to McCain in terms of basebuilding? How much is Daily Kos worth to Democrats?
Its essentially speech, and you will never be able to police “fair public financing”.
For the same reasons I don’t support the fairness doctrine, I don’t care about public financing. You can’t level the field, you can’t enforce it, so you might as well let the market handle it.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
I think the internet and cable news that you suggest has changed the dynamic somewhat. I still feel that it’s in everyone interests to make the campaigning as cheap as possible for all, without regulating how much money everyone has.
That’s the idea behind regional primaries. Get a bus and about 20 or so volunteers and run everything on a shoe string budget (gas and food for everyone). Then just go around the region talking to everyone in sight and do as many interviews as possible. If you knock a few balls out of the ballpark in a debate then you got a chance to start a grass roots movement and win some delegates early. Once you win some delegates, then you can start to get the donations and move up a bit.
The one thing missing is advertising money. TV advertising is so expensive and reaches so many people that it can change elections just by itself. Since that dynamic seems to be changing, you might be able to get by with web site and viral videos to get your message out. If so, then a low funded candidate has a chance. I don’t know if we’re there yet but we might be in four years. And remember, campaign finance is not just about Presidential races, it’s also about congressional races too.
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correction
It is not also about the congressional races actually.
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the GOAL is to even the playing field
sorry
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
and the goal of socialism
is to even the economic playing field.
Not sure either works very well.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
nto to be rude (which I say a lot to you)
but you are so off the mark on so many of your posts and you post sooo much. something’s gotta give here
there’s nothing wrong with the best funded candidate if the money doesn’t come from a small minority that happens to have more money.
that was not the case with Obama
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
you missed my point
the idea is to even the playing field
the reason i posted it is not to blast obamas money or anything else – just to say that
For all practical purposes, public financing of the presidential general election is now dead.
how is that “off the mark”?
did i say it was bad? no
the first presidential nominee in the general election to do that since the system was created in 1976.
this would be the case no matter what, it would be historical news because it hasnt happened since 1976 and it will (probably) never happen again
also, am i wrong on what the “goal” of the public financing in this case is?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
the goal isn't to even the playing field per se
it’s better understood as decreasing the influence of special interests that have a disproportionate amount of money
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
In sum
One candidate outspending another 5 to 1 b/c of massive contributions from a few special interests = really bad.
One candidate outspending another 5 to 1 b/c of massive contributions from tens or hundreds of thousands of small donors = fair/free speech.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
right?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
finance
It is a bit ironic that McCain got screwed by his own campaign finance reform bill. The whole idea behind it was to level the playing field so that the best candidates would emerge instead of the best funded candidates. I would rather we see public funding go away and move to regional Presidential primaries where it cost less to bus around an area to meet people. As much as I dislike Huckabee’s policies (nice guy just don’t like his policies) I would rather he get a fairer shot at selling his ideas to the American public instead of being shouted down by a better funded candidate.
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Just like the mortgage crisis,
Obama’s fundraising will never be investigated by the press of Congress.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
come on
both campaigns have had problem with their click and donate this year, not just Obama. And you can’t say it’s not a good thing that so many people donated to his campaign. The sheer number of donations caused problems, but jealous, bitter Republicans will somehow try to paint all those small donations by common people as a bad thing.
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Except
the Mortgage crisis has and is being investigated by the press. It’s fairly clear what caused it, and the list of folks who contributed to it is pretty long. About the only one who didn’t have anything to do with it was Warren Buffett, who backed his companies out of mortgage derivatives a long while ago.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
It's a long shot
But I wish Obama would appoint him to Treasury. He’s all about the philanthropy these days but something tells me he wouldn’t accept it.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
why woudl he want that job?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
To give back, presumably
But I did say I thought he wouldn’t accept it.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
i think he thinks berkshire hathaway is the best way he can give back
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
heh
and sadly, it probably is
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Cuban for Treasury?
public financing
meh, I say let anyone donate any amount, but have full disclosure. Only individuals can donate, but there is no limit and they must be fully disclosed for transparency.
McCain’s campaign finance reform bill was/is an infringement on free speech.
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Excellent article by the National Review
The eleventh-hour McCain allegations of Obama’s advocacy for a share-the-wealth socialism were generally ignored by the media
Couldn’t agree more. Really, we should have heard about his tax policies. For shame, media, for shame.
Yet the American public knows almost nothing of what it should about . . . Joe Biden
Joe who? Never heard of the guy. And if I did want to know something about him, how would I go about finding stuff out?
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
Time for a new thread, this one
is getting unwieldy to refresh.
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Both sides agree that exit polls are absolutely freakin’ worthless.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Believe me I did.
There’s some interesting data that comes out of them, but I think all of the Nets have decided not to use them to call states this year, thank God.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Devin Harris?
he was the future
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
nets line in your comment i think?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
networks?
I don’t know what you’re talking about still. Am I being dense or something?
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
New Jersey Nets
this is a sports blog, I should be able to make a sports joke :)
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I don't foller basketball
Pretty much a baseball-only guy. Was a basketball fan for a long, long time but I can’t keep up with it anymore.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
will you link to ad?
couldnt find it w/ a quick google search
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
Just turn on a TV
It’s everywhere. I haven’t looked for it on Youtube or anything like that.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
why can't you do this
and don’t you always ask what’s in a youtube without actually watching it?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
i watch youtubes
at work and didnt really want to look into it too much while im here
ill look it up later tonite when i get home
Try harder to put it into words
Because I’m not going to watch any videos.
by brettgardner
it wsa BG that said he didnt watch it, not me
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong
what i dont understand
is how people can vote for ombamabinaladin when the pastor of the church he went to 20 years said all those things?
Because some folks realize
most churches are run by delusional nutjobs.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
that was for the
obamabinladen comment you piece of shit.
by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
When everything you post is ridiculous
jokes tend to land flat.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 4, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
oooooooo ZING
when you see that in 2 years we’ll still need pitching and i was right you can all go screw yourselves
Ha ha
Yes, THAT is clearly the sum and total of what you don’t understand.
This is me, venturing to guess some other things you might not have a double-fisted handle on:
80% of the world prolly doesn’t look like you.
Community organizer is a hardass, noble job.
One of this country’s bedrock principles is religous tolerance, or rather tolerance, period.
That people who spout asanine pejoratives like “ombamabinaladin,” and, in the same breath, imply he obviously must deserve that moniker, because his CHRISTIAN pastor bloviated stupid, hateful, self-serving, self-aggrandiziements, might just, just maybe, need to crack the books a wee bit more.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
Who's seth?
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
You must have bumped elbows at a thinktank or toastmasters or whatnot
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

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