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I'm guessing this will remain open about 24 hours, then we'll have to open another new one tomorrow night when the results start coming in...

Keep it civil...

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Yep

Meanwhile…Hank Williams Jr. is out campaigning, and says that Obama isn’t a fan of the national anthem…

I’m shocked — SHOCKED — that a guy who had a hit song called “If the South Woulda Won We’d of Had it Made,” about how much better life would be if the South had won the Civil War, is out there campaigning against the black presidential candidate…

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 3, 2008 8:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

We can’t all have the well thought out “I’m voting for the black guy just so we can have a black President” or the “Vote for the opposite party of who controls the Congress” strategies adopted by the Morris boys..

"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn

by DaheelzCM on Nov 3, 2008 8:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going with the

I’ll vote for anyone who is not of the same party as that epic disaster of a president, GWB.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 8:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like that one better

"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn

by DaheelzCM on Nov 3, 2008 8:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, Clinton was a disaster

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Nov 3, 2008 9:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

Such a bad economy on his watch

by RangersOCD on Nov 3, 2008 9:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

it was terrible having peace, prosperity, and budget surpluses.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 10:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sucked.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always thought

what makes a perfect president is getting in a war by mistake, nearly doubling the national debt, and being on watch during the biggest financial disaster in almost 80 years. That Bush, he’s so dreamy.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 10:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We...

Sir, we are a hard-working nation of problem solvers. It follows that we need problems to solve…thank God Bush had the foresight and leadership to keep us busy for a while. He’s a Great Murican.

by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 10:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dare I say...

He put his “County First”

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

new rule

if your party completely fucks up the country by every objective measure – you kindly step aside, don’t say squat, and let the the other party take over. Country did it for Carter/Reagan.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 9:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"McCain Palin Tradition" by Hank Williams Jr

http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/McCain-Palin-Tradition-Lyrics-by-Hank-Williams

Giddy up!

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's sad

All the cool in that family skipped over Jr.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Nov 3, 2008 8:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Supporters of whom?

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

?

Are you predicting a landslide Obama victory or a McCain win?

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry I couldn't be more controversial

I know a lot of fervent McCain supporters (several of whom I’m related to) and it’s not going to be pretty tomorrow night.

Predicting an Obama blowout.

Baseball Time in Arlington

by Joey Matschulat on Nov 3, 2008 8:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was shocked the other day

when i found out my dad supports obama over mccain.

if a 52 year old redneck white guy can support a black candidate for president, anything can happen.

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."

-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters

by gossamer on Nov 3, 2008 8:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shocking

My dad still voted for McCain, but I was shocked to hear him say he didn’t like Palin. My dad has NEVER voted Democrat, even though he’s pro-choice. He was going on and on about Pelosi supposedly wanting to nationalize everyone’s 401K, anyone hear anything about that? Sounded like a rumor to me…

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by t ball on Nov 3, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The nationalizing 401k

is the same old Republican fearmongering I recall from before the Clinton victory. Those of us who recall the 92 election remember all the terrible things the Clintons were said to be going to do to turn this country into Russia. Honestly, the great Republican lie machine loses its force over time.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 10:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exit Polls

Do you think the exit polls are going to be all wrong again?

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes.

I think exit polls are bogus.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 8:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

exit polls will probably favor mccain since obama had tons of his supporters vote early.

i’d imagine DAY OF voters will be close to a tie or even a mccain lead, but obama will be up pretty big with early vote

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."

-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters

by gossamer on Nov 3, 2008 8:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's awesome

how fox news and drudge are REALLY pushing this bogus coal story. trying REAL HARD to make sure mccain wins ohio eh?

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."

-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters

by gossamer on Nov 3, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haven't seen that, not near tv

what’s the gist?

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by t ball on Nov 3, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually

looks like drudge has pulled the coal story, but it’s still been on fox.

anyway, via dailykos

On Sunday, John McCain launched the final attack of his campaign, a fraudulent assault on Barack Obama that serves as a fitting reminder of the fundamental dishonesty not only of his own campaign, but also of the dishonesty of his allies in the right-wing propaganda establishment: Matt Drudge and FOX News.

All you need to know to understand the video is that the Drudge, FOX, and the McCain campaign joined forces with Newsbusters to push a story that the San Francisco Chronicle had concealed an eleven month old recording that supposedly contained devastating audio of Barack Obama proposing to bankrupt the entire coal industry.

Not only was that story false (more detail below), but it turns out that Barack Obama and John McCain have the same position on clean coal technology (update: for more on why clean coal is kind of like a healthy cigarette, see Brad Johnson’s excellent post on the topic), and Ohio’s Republican senator said McCain’s plan to fight global warming would “put coal out of business.” Here’s the video:

for more, click the link to read the rest of the story.

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."

-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters

by gossamer on Nov 3, 2008 8:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i love how i would get blasted for posting links to free republic but no one blasts daily kos?

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 10:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I thought something similar.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 3, 2008 10:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so blast dailykos

i’ve never posted a link from there. if you have a problem with it, spell it out.

and why don’t you try posting something from free republic to see what happens instead of bitching before hand

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 11:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i did before

http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/8/20/597450/ot-mccain-is-going-to-win#8222897

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

clean coal is a crock of shit.

that is all

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The coal story

The people pushing that lack basic reading comprehension skills.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Nov 3, 2008 8:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is why

Palin was pushing it.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 10:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ziiiiiing!

Nice one

Dreaming of 2009

by RangerMoto on Nov 3, 2008 11:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can we at least all agree

That “Raising McCain” is the worst song ever?

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Nov 3, 2008 8:51 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 8:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offered without comment

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FgEGtYWonds

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 3, 2008 8:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

That is outstanding.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Nov 3, 2008 9:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So many problems with that song....

I mean sure, “You can have whatever you like” at Dollar General!

(Apologies, I’ve been listening to too much Norm)

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!

by sprite on Nov 3, 2008 9:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After the Election

Who will lead the Republican Party since they look like they are going to lose. I believe they can form in to two wings the know-nothing wing= Sarah Palin or a moderate Rockefeller type wing consisting of Christine Todd Whittman and Colin Powell. Bobbye Jindal is a joke and all the Republicans believe Bobbye is their form of Obama (young dynamic politican). Truth is Bobbye is boring and not a great speaker. Jindal is just like Bush a religious nut and a very far right politican.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not a Republican...

…or a Democrat for that matter…

…but I think Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is a good guy to get better exposure. He seems awful bright and he’s not very divisive.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 8:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

He was on that show that comes on right after countdown tonight. Seemed like a reasonable enough guy. But that’s the land of Wellstone and they typically don’t vote for the types of Republicans who would make the base of the party happy, so I’m not sure. I’m just not familiar enough with him.

Don’t know if he’d take it, but since the RNC chair is about to get the axe I have to wonder if Gingrich will get an offer for that.

by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 10:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

talk about a username that perfectly describes the user.

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Nov 3, 2008 9:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Line

Coming from someone who supports GWB.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 9:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Longhorn, what do you think of Pawlenty?

I’d be interested to hear from a conservative.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 9:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So says the

Brainless Parrot.

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by t ball on Nov 3, 2008 11:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you Indian?

is that why you hate Jindal?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 9:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jindal

Jindal is book smart but he’s not dynamic. His speeches can put you to sleep. His ideology is just like GWB though (also a religious nut) the Republican party will just be embracing the same thing. At least after an Obama victory we can get a lot of federally funded stem-cell research that we should of gotten 8 years ago.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 9:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is that a yes?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 9:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

because i’ve seen irrational hatred of him from that group.

because to call him not dynamic is pretty irrational. and there’s no evidence he’s a religious nut either.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 10:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and thats a problem because you disagree with it?

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Teaching

Yes, I believe you shouldn’t teach children fairytales over real science.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 11:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

but then again you also think “bobbye jindal” is the gov of LA lol

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I added an extra e

A lot of people spell bobby with an extra e big deal and a lousy put down from a guy that believes in creationism

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 11:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so i am an idiot for believing in creationism?

what if i happen to think your an idiot for thinking “bobbye jindal” is a “just like Bush a religious nut and a very far right politican.”?

lets see you back this up…

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this the best you can do?

I’m sorry that you believe in fairytales. I’m sorry for insulting you. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy? I’m just curious. For facts I posted an article about bobby earlier you can read. Bobby oposes abortion without exception. He votes against stem cell research. Supports teaching intelligent design. 100% pro-life voting record.

There you go…. Have a nice day…..

by Monkey Brain on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and again

because i too am opposd to abortion, i am against a lot of stem cell research, i want ID and evolution both in schools and i am pro-life am i an idiot?

not at all

it is possible to believe in things different than what you believe in and not be an idiot.

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 12:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was

Showing the similarities between Bush and Jindal. You have a serious persecution complex.

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 12:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and?

im sure i can find similarities between carter and obama?

hell between bush and obama
between any two people in politics they are somewhat similiar

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great

I’m hoping the Republican Party keeps embracing those views of yours so that they will be out power for the next 50 years.

If men had babbies they would be getting abortions at 7-Eleven.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 4, 2008 12:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You do

Have a serious spelling problem.

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 12:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're aware.

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 12:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah...

the evangelical atheists, such convincing people.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 4, 2008 12:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If men had babbies they would be getting abortions at 7-Eleven.

My god… the avenues this could go.

I’m still laughing.

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Nov 4, 2008 12:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, it is

a problem. Intelligent Design is a poorly disguised attempt to teach the creation story in public schools. That is religion, not science, and belongs in church and home, not school. Why on earth would anyone want their school science teacher teaching kids the creation story?

If your kid isn’t getting enough religious education in church and at home that’s your problem.

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by t ball on Nov 3, 2008 11:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wont get in this arguement with you because we will both get nowhere

sry i brought it up, that was my point

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably good idea

we’ll just talk past each other.

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by t ball on Nov 3, 2008 11:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha thx

im not gonna change your mind/your not gonna change mine

thx

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You won't because you'll lose

You can’t make a rational argument for teaching that stuff in a public school.

by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 7:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

again

not going to change my mind/im not gonna change yours

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think anything should be federally funded

should all be based on the states. I am very comfortable with anarchy really. I hate gov’t.

by Triple347 on Nov 3, 2008 10:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If

If you had Parkinsons you would have a different view.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 10:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats

because you are not suffering from Parkinsons right now but if you did you would change just like everyone else.

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 10:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In all seriousness,

you are right in that I am not suffering at this moment, and do not know EXACTLY what I would want in those circumstances. I try my best not to allow my own circumstances to inform what I hold to be true, but I don’t know what I would do in that situation. Hope this clarifies.

by Triple347 on Nov 3, 2008 10:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So

50 state militias for you?

by brettgardner on Nov 3, 2008 11:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just as a small note

jindal = catholic
GWB = methodist

…just saying

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im not sure i know any bobbye jindal’s

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 10:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know what

you’re watching, but I am most certainly part of the Republican base and I can most certainly tell you that Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, and Bobby Jindal are all viewed favorably and are looked upon as the future.

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 9:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry.

I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.

by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 9:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it worth it

to drive about an hour or so from UNT back to my precinct to vote tomorrow?

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!

by sprite on Nov 3, 2008 9:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I drove 45 mins from here on Thurs

but on election day, good luck with those lines.

by groundingout on Nov 3, 2008 9:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

depends

McCain will win TX but if you care about some down ballot races then its worth it. Senate District 10 is a good race I bet that Kim Brimer will win. In district HD-97 I bet Mark Shelton will win. In HD-96 I bet that Chris Turner will win. Those are some pretty close down ballot races

by Monkey Brain on Nov 3, 2008 9:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I'll go ahead and do it.

Just checked and gas is $1.97 at Exxon. I honestly never thought I would see sub 2.00 gas in my lifetime. Although it’s pretty much guaranteed to skyrocket back up after the election…

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!

by sprite on Nov 3, 2008 9:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1.89 in tulsa sucka!!!

that 8 cents goes a long way

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."

-John McCain to his wife, in front of reporters

by gossamer on Nov 3, 2008 9:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been thinking it will slowly rise (as to not raise eyebrows)

But you’d have to be on the short bus to think there’s not a correlation with the election… same thing happened 2 years ago.

by RangersOCD on Nov 3, 2008 9:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhh

It could have something to do with oil futures being around $60 right now.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 10:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

lol

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've tried to think about that

…and cannot see even a weird, crazy correlation. Oil was in a speculation-driven bubble that burst. Now the worldwide economic slowdown is curbing demand, which is obviously why prices are falling. OPEC and Saudi Arabia will soon announce cuts in production, I would imagine, and prices may or may not go up a little bit before stabilizing.

Nothing to do with the election. Everything to do with the economy.

by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 10:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conspiracy theory

Although even when oil futures were extremely high I thought this would happen. Maybe I’m just sleep deprived.

by RangersOCD on Nov 3, 2008 10:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe there's some bias, but interesting
No doubt that incumbents like to see gas prices falling ahead of an election. But having any real power to influence price is a different matter. Since gas prices are once again falling as we head toward an election, I thought I would try to put this myth to rest. So, I decided to tabulate the price behavior of gasoline stretching back over the past three presidential elections. I chose to track the price from the beginning of summer driving season – Memorial Day – until the first part of November when the elections take place.

The results are shown below:

Year Memorial Day November 1 % Change Comments
1996 $1.32 $1.27 -3.8 Presidential election (PE)
1997 $1.26 $1.22 -3.2 No elections (NE)
1998 $1.11 $1.05 -5.4 Congressional elections (CE)
1999 $1.15 $1.27 10.4 NE
2000 $1.58 $1.57 -0.6 PE
2001 $1.74 $1.25 -28.2 NE; 9/11
2002 $1.43 $1.49 4.2 CE
2003 $1.53 $1.58 3.3 NE
2004 $2.09 $2.08 -0.5 PE
2005 $2.14 $2.42 13.1 NE; Hurricane Katrina
2006 $2.94 $2.25 -23.5 CE; refining capacity recovers
2007 $3.25 $3.06 -5.9 NE; gas prices set records
2008 $3.99 ? -? PE; gas prices set records

Personally, I think one would be hard-pressed to find a pattern there. The biggest price drop happened in a non-election year, albeit it was an anomaly caused by 9/11. Of the thirteen years recorded, gasoline prices fell between Memorial Day and November during nine of the years. This is what I generally tell people: Prices fall for seasonal reasons, and do so even when there are no elections. The reason prices fall is that demand for gasoline falls after the summer. The price generally peaks in early summer, and following Labor Day in early September the price falls. (The details of why this generally occurs was explained in The Transition to Winter Gasoline).

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4453

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 3, 2008 10:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

His short bus comment gave me a chuckle.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 10:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am

Boy, I’m just having a lot of trouble deciding. Maybe it’s because my shoes are on the wrong feet again.

by Black Francis on Nov 3, 2008 9:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know we're supposed to be nice

so please don’t answer this question in the affirmative.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 9:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not...

I already voted here in California.

I’m just curious to see if anyone really waits to this, the last minute, to decide.

by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 3, 2008 10:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obama

It really seems like he has mailed it in lately. Probably something to do with his ridiculous lead.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 11:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

redic lead?

five thirty eight predicts 6 pts

wait, you meant lead in the EC?

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

346>191 is a pretty good lead. Probably should have clarified in what though.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 11:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

si si

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6 points

is a pretty big lead going on the last few elections. certainly big enough to be sitting on it

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 11:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its a big lead but not redic. by any standards

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The thing I can't figure out...

Is why all of the polls have such a heavy weighting of dems.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 3, 2008 11:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is this a joke?

might it have something to do with the fact that nobody wants to be a republican right now?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 11:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do?

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

but you believe creationism needs to be taught in schools.

You are part of the tiny base that would vote for Hitler if the Republicans nominated him.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 5:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously?

HITLER?

no i dont vote for people simply because they have a R next to their names (nor do i vote against them if they have a D)

i choose not to vote for obama because i oppose his viewpoints on nearly all major issues and most of the minor ones

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The polls...

apparently oversampled dems in 2004, too. And the polling numbers were sometimes wildly inaccurate in the Dem. primaries, as well.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 4, 2008 12:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say that...

but I think the results aren’t going to be as lopsided as the polls suggest.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 4, 2008 12:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

kidding… you may be right though…. we shall see soon enough

by RangersOCD on Nov 4, 2008 12:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all depends on who's giving you these figures.

I’m sure FOX has McCain leading in some kind of poll.

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Nov 4, 2008 12:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no they didn't

the polls had the race pegged pretty well in 2004.

but as RangersOCD said, live out your fantasy one more night.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 4, 2008 12:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man...

I don’t know why the election season has turned you into such a sourpuss.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 4, 2008 12:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you beat me by a few seconds

you are raining on my parade, politics is emotionally charged, you’re arguing stats, lots of other reasons.

but i feel like you aren’t ocmpletely reasonable either

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 4, 2008 12:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

it’s not like i’m looking at one pollster. I’m reading hundreds of polls over the last month or two with a ton of analysis done about these polls and it seems like you refuse to look deeper than just numbers.

maybe i am to slavish to fivethirtyeight but it answers pretty much any question you have on the polls and even if you have problems with the assumptions, you can adjust the numbers ot reflect it.

anyway, to look at all these numbers and to insist that the numbers aren’t as lopsided as the polls make them out to be borders on being contrarian. like you’ve turned off the logic part of your brain

but you did have a legitimate complaint about the polls and i was too dismissive.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 4, 2008 12:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGI2ODFmM2VmMGJlZjUwYWQzZGFkZjIzN2YwZTg5Mjc=

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 4, 2008 1:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah

The National Review. Let’s just start quoting Daily Kos as scripture, too!

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 4, 2008 7:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps a bit harsh

point is, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Dems outnumber Repubs this cycle. There are plenty of reasons why that is the case now more than in 2004.

What is interesting is that when polls weight Dems and Repubs. the same, it’s usually not because they think that is the actual distribution – they just neglect this issue altogether.

It’s probably safe to say that Dems won’t outnumber Repubs 40-30 but I don’t think the polls that have Obama ahead by 7-8 points are weighting that much. Even if they are, it seems like there is enough justification for it

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 4, 2008 12:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The polls...

are weighting Dems anywhere from +6 to +12, depending on the poll.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Nov 4, 2008 12:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that is a reasonble range

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 4, 2008 12:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except for

McCain’s internal polls

by RangersOCD on Nov 4, 2008 12:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even if he was losing by a lot according to his internal polls

why would he say that?
why WOULDNT he say that it was “closer than he thought”?

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 9:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right

i serioulsy doubt that even he has a poll that shows him leading

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 2:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

duh

Even you won’t admit you are a Republican anymore.

In 2004 the polls were pretty right outside of zogby. The exit polls were complete shit, and will be even more worthless this year with all the early voting.

"Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor"

by enut21 on Nov 4, 2008 8:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I seem to recall this argument from 2006

when the talking heads said it would be closer in the legislative races.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 5:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All the polls? And you do mean polling more dems?

by RangersOCD on Nov 3, 2008 11:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because...

…of new voter registrations and other polls asking about party ID.

by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 8:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes it is

the standard is the last 2 elections.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 11:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also stop saying redic

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 11:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...

Palin is in Reno right now.

The night before the election and the city they choose to put the VP nominee in was Reno, fucking NV? Was Billings, MT booked?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly...

…the Elks Lodge in Casper, WY was booked.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 3, 2008 10:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of lodges, does anybody know what's going on with all these lodges they're building in Grapevine?

The Gaylord, The Great Wolf…

I thought resorts were places you went to get away from it all.

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wyoming

That would the safest place for McCain and Palin. McCain will probably win the state by 30 points (more than Arizona or Alaska). But, as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, at least we get to shoot pistols in the air when we leave the voting booth.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Nov 4, 2008 2:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec that

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 10:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you would do both

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Nov 3, 2008 11:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ZIIIINNNNNGGGGGG!!!

Boy, he really got you there, Cahill. Ouch!

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 3, 2008 11:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fund raiser

at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch?

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 3, 2008 10:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both replies...

well done.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

For a McCain Miracle Nevada is a must….. You need to spend more time with the Magic Map.

"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner

by red shoe ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

She should be in...

FL, OH, VA, NC, PA, or even MO.

The race is over by the time the polls hit NV tomorrow.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

making her way back to Alaska

to vote tomorrow…….. Probably last stop before heading North.

"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner

by red shoe ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

although

according to the link below you can absentee vote in Alaska by FAX!!

I’m pretty sure all candidates go to their hometown to vote. Tradition? PR?

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/palin_campaigns_across_country.html

"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner

by red shoe ranger on Nov 3, 2008 10:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heading to Alaska

hope that dogsled is fast.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 3, 2008 11:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So..

My uneducated self is thinking an Obama win. Swing state predictions: NC to Obama, Florida to McCain and Ohio to McCain.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!

by sprite on Nov 3, 2008 10:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but we have brad johnson

even better!

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 3, 2008 11:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Nov 3, 2008 11:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saw this comment on a Citi story

Thought it was funny I know a lot of us on here fit in this dem.

Of all the stupid s*** the Baby Boomers ever foisted upon an unwilling and unappreciative world—and mind you there has been a h*** of a lot of it—I have to say that siring and raising the so-called “Millennials” (or Echo Boomers or Generation Y) to ersatz maturity is turning out to be one of their biggest doozies.

While these erstwhile Deciders-in-Chief sail happily off to Boca to enjoy their swollen retirement packages, golden parachutes, and depreciated vacation homes, the rest of us are expected to clean up the messes they have left behind: an economy spiraling into deep recession, a financial system shorn of all credibility and held together with paper clips and baling wire, and a country that no-one else in the world even fears anymore, much less respects.

Of course, most of this is not the Millennials’ fault. It’s the fault of their dastardly parents, many of whom saddled these kids with this baggage largely in pursuit of their own social status and entitlement. But the kids are the ones who will have to adjust, and learn to deal with what will soon seem a much colder and less friendly world than Sesame Street and Barney led them to believe it would be.

Interestingly enough, investment banking has traditionally been an industry which has been particularly good at taking in lots of talented but jejune youngsters and hammering them into more or less useful corporate citizens. Up until the recent dislocations, investment banking could dangle the three carrots of supersized pay, undeserved social prestige, and premature involvement in the headline-making events of our time, so it tended to attract ambitious, intelligent, and driven college and business school grads who burned to become the next Lloyd Blankfein before the age of 30.

Once they entered the door, however, they found that glamour, prestige, and responsibility were not just lying on the floor waiting to be picked up. They had to be earned with grinding, unrelenting, and mostly unpleasant hard work. No-one coddled the junior investment banker or cocooned him or her in a warm, fuzzy blanket of uncritical esteem and praise. Instead, they beat the s*** out of you, and they were nasty about it, too.

Many wannabe Masters of the Universe found they could not carry the freight. Eighty- to 100-hour work weeks, all-night and all-weekend fire drills, and senior bankers who would as soon spit on you as thank you for a job well done convinced many that they did not have either the aptitude or the desire for a life in investment banking. But for those who survived and even thrived under these conditions, the winnowing took the form of—dare I say it in these inhospitable times?—a defining test of character. They went through the crucible, and they were changed.

Now I will not claim that all those who passed this test and became full-fledged investment bankers were or became good or even pleasant people. Far from it. (How many Green Berets or Navy Seals would you welcome to your cocktail party or nominate for your local PTA? None, I posit.) Instead, they became competent and self-reliant, which at least in ages past signified a level of social maturity devoutly to be wished for.

This, as I see it, is exactly the sort of trial by fire that so many of today’s Millennials desperately need, if only to help them cut the parental apron strings and learn to achieve something admirable which is wholly their own. Unfortunately, investment banking is no longer the sort of industry with the draw and demand to deliver this to more than a select few of them.

So I guess we can expect a lot of twenty-somethings to slosh over into the entrepreneurial bucket, while they’re waiting for the economy to turn and Goldman Sachs to come begging at their doorstep again. We’ll see how well that works out for them. I, for one, am less than sanguine that 70 million of them can earn a living from marketing Web 2.0 freeware, but what do I know? Maybe there is an Incrediboy in the bunch who can invent a way to make everyone rank in the 99th percentile. Let’s just hope he doesn’t have to cut us all off at the knees to make us giants.

My guess is that most of these Millennials will have to sponge off Mom and Dad for several years until the recession ends and they can find a real job. This will have the simultaneously salutary effect of reminding Junior that Mom and Dad do not have all the answers and forcing Mom and Dad to burn through more of their ill-gotten wealth transfer gains to support their indigent progeny. One can hang a tenuous hope that there is justice in this world on much flimsier nails.

In the meantime, let me offer a piece of advice to any Millennials who might be looking to interview at Dealmaker LLC. If you “want to be treated like colleagues rather than subordinates and expect ready access to senior executives,” take a job at the local Starbucks. We do command and control here, buddy, and you’re at the bottom of the food chain.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 11:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woah

Should have previewed that. Feel free to delete.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 3, 2008 11:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you just give us the gist?

by RangersOCD on Nov 3, 2008 11:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My parents taught me to be frugal with my expenses.

I don’t have an HDTV, an iPhone or even a laptop.

If I could afford those things, sure, I’d like to have them.

A colleague of mine has all of those… He’s also mired in $11,000 worth of credit-card debt.

Some of that is his fault, but, who the hell raised his credit limit that high in the first place?

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Nov 3, 2008 11:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

I can understand the first two, but you got to get a laptop.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!

by sprite on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speaking of laptops

anyone use any specific sites to get a reputable battery? (dell comp fwiw)

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"That wasn’t rain, that was a band of angels pissing on your awful city. Shut the hell up and play." - robert_d_wilfong

by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 12:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

The majority of my friends have graduated college and gotten the typical 40K a year job. So many were never told no by their parents growing up that they now expect everything that they went without in college to come to them with little repercussions. I don’t know if they are trying to life the same lifestyle as their parents but I they seem to think it is necessary to have a $1500 rent payment and $600 car payment along with the latest technology. It just never seizes to amaze me how young people can be so irresponsible with money.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 4, 2008 12:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The same banks

who were pushing mortgages not too long ago.

I sometimes thing we need to go back to the old, easier bankruptcy laws, so companies will be a little more leary about offering easy credit.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 5:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

I have all those and no debt

But then again Cahill is my best customer in the whorin’ and gamblin’ lodges I run.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 4, 2008 7:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

millenials

A friend of mine used to work as the Greek life administrator at a local University. He said parents would call up and complain when their kids didn’t get into their preferred sorority or fraternity, instead of the students coming to him personally. He then told me about a study that said millennials that graduate will sometimes have their parents call their bosses to complain about something at work instead of doing it themselves. All of this is anecdotal of course, but it makes me glad I’m a gen-xer.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 9:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn kids these days

Not only are they soft, but they need to get the hell off of my lawn.

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 9:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw a story on the news one time

About these kids showing up to JOB INTERVIEWS with their fucking parents.

Spoiled little shits. This is the future of our country, ladies and gentlemen. MOMMA!!!!

by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 9:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa

I simply cannot imagine that. I always ask my dad’s advice on important things, but, wow.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 9:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

As a college student I know way too many people like this. “Wahhh mommy, it’s too hard to work, party and go to school. I know you already pay my rent but can you start sending me beer money too?”

I’ve worked all the way through college. I paid my rent, bought my food, and bought a shit load of alcohol. And you know what? I still managed to finish my undergrad Cum Laude. So eat a dick frat boys.

I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.

by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 9:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The delicious irony of this

is all of the older, likely uneducated professionals taking out loans, living above their means and completely neglecting basic finance in general. Thirty thousand-aires who got a little carried away … we can’t lay that one on the “millenials.”

But surely we’ll have plenty of time to screw it up worse. I mean, the bar has been set oh so insurmountably high.

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 9:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t blame the "millenials" I blame the parents for not teaching these kids to think and act for themselves. I’m pretty pissed at my parent’s generation for leaving the country in such a bad state.

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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 9:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

That’s a slightly more valid position.

And you should make sure to blame your grandparents for allowing your parents to enter such a state.

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by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The way I see it (and I admit that it is very likely that I am talking out of my ass) my parent’s generation did a lot more experimenting in many areas like drug use, sexual freedom, anti-establishment. Some worked out well like the civil rights movement. Others meant years of unresolved issues like sexual culture wars and the drug war. One of the ways they experimented was in child rearing which was drastically different then the way they were raised (i.e. no spankings, entitlement of the children). That hasn’t worked out well as far as I can tell, but what do I know. I’m just a schmuk on a message board.

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by DerekSTheRed on Nov 4, 2008 10:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Early returns are in

Obama winning the popular vote 15-6.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/dixville.notch/index.html

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by ab03 on Nov 3, 2008 11:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure

that’s the best name they could come up with at the time

by RangersOCD on Nov 4, 2008 8:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats like the first time

I remember them going Democratic. Dixville Notch is normally slam dunk Republican.

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by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 7:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just voted.

The 12th person to vote in my precinct. I feel so damn patriotic.

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by ghtd36 on Nov 4, 2008 7:41 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No early voting

there?

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 8:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard that in Harris county

that as much as half the vote is already in, depending on turnout.

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by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 8:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No traffic this morning

to speak of in Murphy. I remember the primaries when it was an absolute zoo. I think more people voted early in Murphy then will vote today.

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 9:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is encouraging

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/11/04/1104dunbar.html

State Board of Education Member Cynthia Dunbar isn’t backing down from her claim that Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama is sympathetic to terrorists plotting to attack the U.S.
…

“I don’t have anything in there that would be retractable,” said Dunbar, R-Richmond. “Those are my personal opinions, and I don’t think the language is questionable.”

In a column posted on the Christian Worldview Network Web site, Dunbar wrote that a terrorist attack on America during the first six months of an Obama administration “will be a planned effort by those with whom Obama truly sympathizes to take down the America that is threat to tyranny.”

She also suggests Obama would seek to expand his power by declaring martial law throughout the country.

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 4, 2008 7:57 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet

anyone who thinks that McCain actually needed Palin to energize the base, doesn’t realize the insanity of the Right wing base.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 8:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Senate Races

Figured I’d post this for anyone who doesn’t visit FiveThirtyEight.

Looks like MN will be the state to keep an eye on today. Nate also says Dems holding 60 seats in the Senate looks like a longshot (15% chance).

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by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 8:40 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Dole recently

snatch defeat from the jaws of victory recently? I thought she used to have a better chance.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 8:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

She had a lead up until the past few weeks but eventually lost it. Last week she started running an attack ad (putting it kindly) claiming her opposition was an atheist. Let’s just say that didn’t go over too well with NC voters. Now she’s getting sued.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/dole-sued-for-g.html

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by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 9:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

That was a low, low blow.

by Black Francis on Nov 4, 2008 9:14 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

brilliant move by the Republican machine.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 9:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am tired

of seeing people on here saying that those who want Intelligent Design taught in public schools “believe in fairytales”.

I think these atheists believe in fairytales even more if they think the world came from nothing. good luck with that.

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by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TAKE THAT BILL MAHER

you jerk

"God doesn’t step in and give us immunity from bad things. Otherwise, there would be no reason to cultivate faith." -TedFord

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 9:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh

/Richard Dawkins

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 9:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

?

i don’t follow

"God doesn’t step in and give us immunity from bad things. Otherwise, there would be no reason to cultivate faith." -TedFord

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 9:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Google him and catch up.

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 11:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please

let’s not turn this into a religion thread.

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it was all intelligent design

by the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his Noodly Appendage.

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by DJCahill on Nov 4, 2008 9:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"

I think 4Him needs to look into it.

1. I’d really rather you didn’t act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don’t believe in me, that’s okay. Really, I’m not that vain.

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by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 9:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so

nobody has said anything about who how obvious it is that Atheists believe in fairytales too…
all y’all can do is joke around

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 9:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop

Or I’ll be forced to ridicule you.

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by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you stop

none of you guys can be taken seriously. y’all are masters of double talk who love to feel Elite.

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read below

You’re getting in way over your head, kiddo.

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by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 10:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love how

Not believing in something is proof of belief in something.

The mental gymnastics of this kid are amazing.

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atheists

believe in evolution when it is not a fact.

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by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not?

Why do you say that? Do you have anything at all to back that rather broad assertion up?

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

because something could not have come from nothing.

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh.

Nobody disputes that biological life has a starting point. That’s not in dispute. The “dispute” is whether life started with man (nope) or simple-celled organisms (yep).

I’m afraid you’re not quite sure what you’re arguing here.

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing is obvious

and nothing is provable either way, everyone is going on faith. Even if you believe in nothing you’re going on faith that you’re right about that. Now shut up about it and stick to politics.

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

so why shouldn’t all points of view be taught in public schools?

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by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

So why shouldn’t the view that Jesus was not the Christ be taught in public schools? That seems like a legitimate disagreement, after all.

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be fine with that

so long as the belief that Jesus is Christ is taught as well. Each viewpoint must be taught from a master of that viewpoint. Probably in a video series.

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So why not

The view that God doesn’t exist at all?

My biggest question: why are you so unsure of your religion that you need outside help to indoctrinate children?

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never said

that evolution/atheism shouldn’t be taught.

2nd off: I’m not very good at putting things into words.

allow me to direct you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NbPdm6-Hc&feature=related

and

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=summit+worldview+ministries&search=Search

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try harder to put it into words

Because I’m not going to watch any videos.

by brettgardner on Nov 4, 2008 10:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

And if you can’t put anything into words, your thoughts are probably irrelevant anyway.

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by Chase Irwin on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly…fuck mutes!

/sarcasm

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by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 3:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

evolution/atheism

You realize that for many those two things are not synonymous. Many scientists have no problem reconciling faith and science.

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 10:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but this is irrelevant

you don’t think intelligent design should be taught.

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It can be taught

at church or at home.

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and

I can’t reconcile faith and evolution, it can’t be done. The Bible is absolute truth.

Mitt Romney 2012!!!!!

by dstar442005 on Nov 4, 2008 10:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ding ding ding....

…we have a winner!!!!

brett tell him what he’s won…

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by ivysafety39 on Nov 4, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i've gotta say...

only the dark side believes in absolutes…

you have faith and congratulations on that, but faith isn’t fact, no matter how much you believe in it…

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by ivysafety39 on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

Cut it out. You even have Christians disagreeing with you. It’s the absolute truth to you. And that’s great. But that doesn’t mean it’s truth to everyone.

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by TheBZA on Nov 4, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't any religion think that?

Jewish people will say the Torah is absolute truth and Muslims will say the same about the Quran.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!

by sprite on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your not going to convince them

no matter what you say

and you will probably get blasted for having personal viewpoints

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
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by knockoutking on Nov 4, 2008 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your post

could just as easily be a reply to me.

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by t ball on Nov 4, 2008 2:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally, I go to church for my religious training.

The wonderful thing about that is that I can go to the church of my choosing and not be forced to listen to religious interpretations with which I don’t agree. And frankly, I don’t want my kids getting their religious training in public schools either. Their religion, or lack thereof, is none of the government’s business and it is certainly not the government’s business to push any religion on anybody.

Have my fellow Christians really become so lazy that they have to use the government and pu