Sunday morning stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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Ken Davidoff says the Mets asked about Gerald Laird earlier this offseason, although that is on the back burner while they attempt to deal with some pitching issues.
Mike Hindman runs down the top 5 Rangers outfield prospects.
And that's it this morning, it appears.
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Jonathon Niese, anyone?
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Nov 30, 2008 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good grief, he's 21?
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Nov 30, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Polls are out...
look how close OU and Texas are in the AP and Coaches polls.
The poll that matters comes out later tonight. Should be interesting.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
Link : http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AP means nothing
The Coaches poll is very close only one vote seperates OU and UT. The Harris poll has yet to come out. IMO I think it is going to come down to the computers. This is going to be very close once the BCS comes out around 3:00 to 3:15.
No matter what it has been a great season in the Big XII South.
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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and another great season
to show why the BCS system blows
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 30, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Little bitter are ya today
I don’t like the system either it is what it is. I think there should be a playoff system, I have been saying that for several years now.
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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not any more bitter than usual
Another thing that could help is to get rid of the North and South in the Big 12. Is there a single person out there who thinks that Mizzou vs. OU or UT is better than seeing OU and UT go at it for the Big 12 championship?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 30, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as great as its been this year
it could be even better next year with OU, UT, and OSU still near the top, Baylor improving, and Leach getting to work with a new QB. Hell, if A&M shows any signs of improvement, think of what kind of season we could be in for next year
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by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin
He was pretty impressive in that Tech game. That was the first time I had actually watched him play. How he escaped some of those hits was amazing.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 30, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was pretty good
against the Sooners too.
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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 computer rankings are in
Wolfe and Saragin each have OU #1 and UT #2. Coaches poll they are seperated by one vote. Amazingly close.
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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harris poll
1. Ala
2. Fla
3. UT
4. OU
Human votes are so close that if OU jumps ahead in computers than OU will jump to No. 2. UT needs a tie or better in the computers to remain No. 2.
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/newsletters/bcsnews/BCS_Nov_30_2008.pdf
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Computer polls
1. OU .96
2. Ala .95
UT .95
BCS (unless I did something wrong in the calculations)
1. Ala. .9678
2. OU .9161
3. UT .9133
4. Fla. .8728
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Hindman
on Borbon and his walk numbers. Just because the guy isn’t walking, doesn’t mean he’s a notch behind a hitter who does walk. He sees a pitch he thinks he can do something with and he swings. By the looks of his numbers, he looks like when he swings, he hits it. And the more he stays down in the minors with that approach, the better he’s going to ecome at hitting.
by meatbonelefty on Nov 30, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just like
Ichiro. As long as Borbon hits for average, he’ll put up a decent OBP. Suzuki walks about once every 13th or 14th PA but he still gets on base thanks to hitting really well.
Plus, Jose Reyes didn’t walk that much in the minors but has gradually improved his totals each year in the majors. Maybe Borbon can emulate that.
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by Rangerchick on Nov 30, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is...
…Ichiro is a career .331 hitter in the majors.
Let’s say Borbon walks as often as Ichiro, but hits .300 instead of .330.
That turns him into a 740 OPS guy, instead of Ichiro’s 800 OPS guy.
That’s a significant difference.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you not think Borbon can hit .320-.330?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take .270-.280
From him.
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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
What makes you think thats all he can produce?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing I'm just saying
If that is all he hits it will be ok as long as he is a +defender in CF.
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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For someone who is suppose to be our Leadoff hitter here in the future (possibly)
.270-.280 is not going to be good enough. He needs to be in the .300s and get on base to produce some runs for this lineup
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
he doesn’t have to be the leadoff hitter to have value here and this is exactly what I’m talking about: in some cases, just seeing numbers doesn’t tell you about a player
I think Julio will adapt to just about anything he’s asked to adapt to, as he proved this fall in Arizona. He’d rather hit .330 than .280, but when he DID hit .280 and took more pitches, his OPB went up from .370 to .405
by mjh on Nov 30, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think he would be more valuable here as a leadoff hitter
Yes, he doesn’t have the top speed that others might have, but he’s able to get on base. He’s shown me that he is a gaps hitter and to get him on base in front of Hammy and Kinsler and Davis would be a better fit for this team.
Numbers don’t tell a full story at all in the minors. Like you said, in AFL, he took more walks, which is great, but it also led to more strikeouts because he was going deeper in counts, but it was promising to see that he was listening to coaches. He really seems like a coachable player
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
70 speed isn't exactly a low grade
He is probably the fastest player in the organization not named Vallejo.
by jparks77 on Nov 30, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Golson
Who gets some 80’s.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 30, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I forgot about Golson. He is really, really, really fast.
Golson v Vallejo: Frisco ’09!
by jparks77 on Nov 30, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Golson
That was the only thing that stumped me in MJH’s outfield report…wouldn’t Golson slot into Frisco’s CF? Even gives the front office time to look at his game.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 30, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Gentry, Paisano or whatever can be put on the backburner.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 30, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Golson Ice
I think he needs more AA time. His approach at the plate makes Cristian Santana look like Kevin Youklis.
by jparks77 on Nov 30, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they could have those two race in opposite directions around the bases
instead of Deuce vs a seven year old for one of the between inning gags.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 30, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vallejo was really the guy I was comparing speed with
And there are some concerns about Bourbon’s steal rate, but thats something that really can be worked on
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can he?
Sure, in the same way Ichiro can hit .350, but isn’t a .350 hitter year in and year out.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
Is there some kind of trend with him where you don’t see him being able to hit .330? Aside from the 9 games he played after being drafted he has always been over a .300 hitter and mainly around .330 throughout college and the pros
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not going to hit .330 in the big leagues
Hate to break that to you.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 30, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take...
.310 with a .380 OBP. I do think those are realistic #’s for him.
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by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be ecstatic.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 30, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
380 obp
well his minor league obp is 355 and the spread between his BA and OBP was about 40 points in both his stops last year. For Borbon to post a 310/380 would mean that he made dramatic improvements. So I agree that we would all love that player you described, but I disagree that those are realistic numbers.
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by tricer on Nov 30, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
I’ve been suckered in by his recent results this fall. A .380 OBP may be a little high, but I think he can hit .310 in the bigs and gradually work on his patience at the plate and slowly improve on that .355 OBP clip and get a little better each year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take a .355 OBP and run.
That’s pretty good for a pure CF’er.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 1, 2008 3:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With his speed and defense, if he OBP's .380 then we're looking at one of the best CF'ers in the game, period.
That’d be crazy good. Crazy, crazy good.
Among qualifying CF’ers last year only Bossman Junior had an OBP north of .380 (.383).
That’s a tough, tough number.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 1, 2008 3:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there some kind of trend with him where you don’t see him being able to hit .330?
Do you realize how hard it is to hit .330 in the big leagues? Last season there were only 3 players to accomplish that feat, Chipper Jones, Albert Pujols, and Manny. Three sure fire HoFers with plus plus plate discipline. To project a guy to hit .330 is something that you just don’t see, especially a guy like Borbon.
I think it is more likely that Borbon has an OBP of .330, rather than a batting average that high.
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by tricer on Nov 30, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OBP of .330
I think that is a very real possibility and sums up the questions of his long term value.
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by t ball on Nov 30, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
To all of those who say they’d gladly take a 330 OBP from Borbon, my response would be, okay, but you could acquire that caliber of player any number of ways, and you would rarely consider him your franchise center fielder, or probably even someone that has the position locked down for any period of time.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 30, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Hindman is right
on this one. It would make every other OF question much easier to answer over the next few years.
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by t ball on Nov 30, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I think a good ML comp for Borbon I think would be Coco Crisp. Fast, covers a lot of ground in CF, hits about .280-300 with an OBP in the .340’s in a good year. If he can do that on a consistent basis (something Crisp hasn’t really been able to do in his career) I think we’d have to be pretty satisfied.
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by lonestarJon on Dec 1, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OF
Just my 2 cents but I would rank the outfielders as follows:
Beltre, Borbon, Golson, Tracy, Moreland, Harrison, Bianucci, C. Murphy, T. Smith, Butler, Fry, Bolden, Paisano, Gentry and S. Murphy
I know that I am the only one still high on Harrison…
by Goyogringo on Nov 30, 2008 10:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tracy?
Sorry, I’d have Tracy behind Moreland, T. Smith, Bianucci and C. Murphy and maybe a couple of others. I could not be less impressed with Tracy.
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by t ball on Nov 30, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m a believer after his scorching second half including a month in AA. I had all but shelved him along with Whittleman but Tracy get’s a reprieve. Tracy was regarded as one of the top college hitters when he came out and he has shown why in at least half a season (but it has been the only half to date). He is have a shitty winter ball so that doesnt bode well. As for Moreland, I am rooting for him, but he put up his #s as an old man in A ball so the jury is still out on him in my book. I don’t think he will reach his power potential whatever happens…
by Goyogringo on Nov 30, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tracy
has at least made himself worth evaluating further.
Whittleman? Now an afterthought.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 30, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland
I like him and think he should have been promoted to test him at a higher level. I share your concerns with his age/level, but I think he’s going to be a quality bench guy or 4th OFer someday. Tracy I haven’t given up on, but I think there is a much, much higher chance that he’s nothing rather than something. If Tracy has sustained his second half into the AFL I’d be a bit more hopeful, but the AFL is a hitter’s league and he bit it, bigtime, and he’s older than Whittleman.
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by t ball on Nov 30, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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