OT: BCS Rankings

OU jumped to No. 1 in the computers

They win.

Ala 0.967811195
OU 0.916129212
UT 0.913285993
Fla. 0.872770816

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

where do you get that?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The calculation is mine

based on:

http://www.tellshowbcs.com/CP.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?pollId=5
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?pollId=2

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought only 2 of the computers had been released?

and 2 of the others already had OU #1?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't vouch for the site I got the computer info from

Hopefully its wrong.

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

3 thousandths of a point

yeah, I’d say it was close.

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well the order was right

The totals weren’t.

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU

I’ve got a source that says they jumped to 2.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

ok miles...

is the source in cincy?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah. I don’t think I know anyone in Cincy.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sooners ranked #2

Going to KC. Now I’m going to go walk the dog. Go computers they kept it real.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

link?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

http://cfn.scout.com/2/816937.html

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep thanks

go it before I could.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wont open for me

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

cut and paste

It won’t work in the header

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yea it took forever to load

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It always does

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its not looking good :(

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

wow

mizzou losing on the last second play did this…wow

well, we beat both teams in the big 12 championship, but that doesn’t matter i guess.

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Mizzou

is not that good.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kansas is awful.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

awful?

No.

by SaltyGoesYard on Nov 30, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Teams you beat

FIU
La Tech
Sam Houston St.
Iowa St.
Colorado
Kansas St.
Missouri.

I will admit that last week probably took you from awful to very poor.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you don't get it

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I get it

Lubbock…Texas should have taken care of business out there.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU

should’ve taken care of business in Dallas…

That line of thinking doesn’t work with me.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU

Shouldn’t they have taken care of business in Dallas?

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he doesn't get it

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I get it

Yes the Sooners lost I have said that all along I can’t do anything about it. I have not tried to spin it anyother way to benifit the Sooners. If Texas had beat TT we wouldn’t be having this.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU lost — but we’re not sitting here saying “If OU had beat UT we wouldnt’ be having this.” In fact, we’re talking about how they get to move on despite a loss. UT sits at home BECAUSE of a loss. Tell me how that makes any sort of logical sense.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

3 teams had one loss

Let’s not forget about TT. How would you have settled it? This was like the 5th tie breaker. It’s the system it is not right or good in fact it sucks. If Texas had moved on OU would be sitting at home with one loss as well. What do you want me to say?

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tech

screwed themselves by playing a HORRID out of conference schedule. They had to go undefeated to remain in this discussion.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Not only was Tech OOC schedule horrible they lost by 44 points. Any team that loses by 44 points especially at the end of the season does not deserve to be considered for national championships

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they nearly lost to Baylor too

They weren’t exactly looking like a team that wanted to be number 1 this season. They also nearly lost another game earlier in the season against Nebraska.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 1, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

them humiliating OU on a neutral field should have done it…oh well.

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

apparently

losing on a last second play on the road is worth more than a 10 point neutral site win. Stupid.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

34-14 down the stretch of that game as well.

whatever, it happened. Time to move on…

We’ll get to see OU get embarrassed in a bowl game yet again.

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my view exactly

Texas loses on the road on the last sec play
OU loses on a neutral site by 10 pts

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU won big on the road

in a tough enviroment against a highly ranked team.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kansas

Yall beat Kansas by 14 at home
We beat them by 28 on the road

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unreal stupid

makes me sick to my stomach. I feel like I’ve been cheated on. Hopefully OU blows it in the title game

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All along

The Horns fans have been saying the human polls are stupid and the computers don’t get swayed by big numbers and it is the computers that put OU over Texas.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Computers

They don’t get swayed by big numbers. They were swayed by a 3 point Mizzou loss to Nebraska.

People have been saying that OUs offense has scored 60+ the last 4 weeks so they are the best team. The only reason they score so much is because they have to. Your defense is horrible. Your starters have to play all the way till the end of the game. Either that or your coach doesn’t have the class to just call off the dogs. Do you think Mack Brown had to sub out his starters at the beginning of the 4th quarter against aggy? No he could have kept them in even though we were up by 35 and put 60 on them but he didn’t. Stoops is still calling pass plays up 40+ in the 3rd quarter.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No Longhorn

Was saying the computers don’t get swayed not me.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i said it all year

and they didn’t, until the last game. You were saying after Texas lost to Tech that OU would jump them at that time…nuh uh, didn’t happen.

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And I was wrong there

I admit it.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it depends

The BCS computers don’t take margin of victory into account, which is dumb.

However, Sagarin’s has a separate formula that is considered more accurate which does take margin of victory into account. Interestingly, while OU and UT are 1-2 in the non-MOV methodology, they are 3-4 (behind Florida and USC) in the one that includes MOV.

And Tech is #3 in non-MOV.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU held TT

To a season low correct? Stoops was invited to come on the air during the UT/A&M game but denied to lobby that is class.

It was a running play up the middle against OSU they knew it was coming they should have stopped it. It wasn’t like the Sooners were airing it out. Stoops took out his starters to start the 3rd qtr against A&M but how long did Mack leave his starters in during that game? He left them in almost all game long I watched it.

I haven’t taunted once today if the Longhorns had been ranked higher I could have lived with that but to bitch just to bitch is getting annoying.

The Sooners or it’s fans have nothing to do with the outcome today nor did they they to campaign for it unlike the Horns did all week.

I’m done with this subject. Congrats on a fine season I hope the Horns and all Big XII teams do well in their bowls.

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

one small thing regarding texas/aTm

it WAS senior day for what thats worth…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

39-33

by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Give me a

FUCKING break

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup.

The way I look at it is OU deserves the nod… OU’s loss came to a better team (t.u.) than Texas’ loss (TT). Therefore, OU deserves it. I think it’s a fairer judgment to look at the losses. Not to mention OU is a superior team to Texas despite the neutral site game.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If they were superior

why didn’t they prove that on the field?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Teams do get better as the season goes

Do you disagree?

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No I don't disagree

but at some point you have to realize that if you don’t consider head2head — why play the games?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yep

and OU didn’t get better, they just lost to a superior team, they were freaking NUMBER 1 when we beat them…

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If you want to weigh head to head...

…then why doesn’t Tech get the nod?

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

This little discussion above was about OU being superior to UT.

He said:

Not to mention OU is a superior team to Texas despite the neutral site game.

it didn’t have anything to do with Tech.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess my point is...

…that this is the inevitable outcome when three teams play each other and go 1-1 in their head to head games.

All three teams have 1 loss overall. All three teams are 11-1. You can’t really do head-to-head because they each won one and lost one.

It could have gone either way, and the closeness of the BCS results shows that. I don’t see how, regardless of which way it went, either team could say they got hosed.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

in the case of OU/UT specifically — the teams are very very close, no? Well, you have a head to head result in that case. Again, Tech screwed themselves by not winning out. They had a horrible OOC schedule and got beat down by 44 points.

I don’t think it’s a major screw job or anything — I just think it’s ridiculous that UT beat OU and Mizzou — but they are playing for the conf. champ. and UT isn’t.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tech is not in the discussion

OU lost by 10, Texas lost by 6, Tech lost by 44. The sheer size of their loss coupled with the way they played, their horrible OOC schedule, and the way they played against Baylor yesterday throw them completely out of the discussion.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tech lost by 44...

…to OU. Shouldn’t the fact that OU beat them by that much be taken into consideration?

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So a 44 point win

outweighs a 10 point loss?

Why?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

No

Tech has always been good at home and bad on the road. They have never won a big time road game. Everybody knew what they were going into that game and were trying to see if this year they had changed. They showed their asses and true selves.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A 44 point loss counts the same in the standings

as a 6 point loss on the last play of the game.

OU was the best team in the Big 12 South and deserved to go.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bullshit

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU was the best team in the Big 12 South and deserved to go.

as evidenced by their undefeated record in the big 12 south…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All I can make out of this standings salad

Is that the Big 12 South has three of the best teams in the country. Two of the three were expected to be at or near the top of any final standings. Tech, the third, had a soft OOC schedule but put a couple of huge games together and failed on the third. OU fell short in a dual road game with Texas, and Texas fell short in a road game at Lubbock. I’ve watched Alabama and Florida over the past few weeks, and can see how very good they are, but they just don’t seem as capable of explosive offense as any of the three Big 12 contenders. No matter how badly accepted a Texas-OU national championship game might be, those are the two teams that would make the “championship” legit. I feel for USC, whose loss to Oregon State dented them pretty hard. But they, along with Utah, and Penn State (choked on the olive with Iowa), would be a good final eight in a playoff.

Thing is, on a talent basis, teams like Oklahoma State, Ohio State have as much or more than the Ball State and Boise State’s of the world, but by playing in conferences with one or more superior teams, don’t get consideration. Heh … how would USC, Penn State, or Ohio State fare if they had to play Oklahoma State’s schedule? I’m not even sure a playoff would reward “the best team”.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 30, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Very well said Ed

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU is superior

And I think they’ve shown it. However, they only play Best of 1 series. In a Best of 10 series I bet you my life savings that OU wins 7 of them (and I hate OU).

To say, ‘why didn’t they prove it on the field’ is an immature response that doesn’t take into account the Best of 1 thing. And…keeping in mind I hate OU…OU got gipped in the the game against TExas. Go back and watch how many holds Texas got away with in the second half…and how many bad calls went Texas’ way. I’m a believer that usually everything evens out, but every once in a while it doesn’t. That was one of those games.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

immature?

give me a break. It’s clear you want no part in a real discussion here. Carry on.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

People are too sensitive nowadays.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take that life savings

Even though I have a feeling based on your comments its not very much

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's your opinion

But the fact that OU beat the common teams they and Texas played worse than Texas did says something.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure

it just doesn’t say as much as 45-35 on a neutral field.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure does.

You can’t look so narrow. So if Arizona and Dallas tie for a WC spot, do you really think Arizona’s the better team because they beat Dallas head2head?

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Man

2 completely different sports. The way the NFL does their playoff seeding is ridiculous too. Why should the winner of the NFC north be guaranteed a spot just based on geographical advantages?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was making the comment...

as if it were applied to college football. Everybody knows Dallas is better, but they lost to Arizona (even when fully healthy). My point was that head2head matters little. You have to consider the whole season.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

and the difference between OU’s season and UT’s season is negligible. Like I said in response to AJM, it’s not like it’s a horrendous screw job or anything…it just looks pretty stupid to see 2 teams UT beat playing for the conference championship.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Only...

Only if you narrow the focus down to that, which I think is wrong. If you’ve got 3 one-loss teams, then each one slipped up once. That’s all you can say. However, one slipped up against a better team than the other two. That’s the difference.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Both teams in that game got away with bad calls in that game

Everyone holds in football, its a known fact, and half the time they’re not going to get called. I’m sure both UT and OU got away with a lot of those calls in that game

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

7 of 10

it wasnt a 2 pt win at home for texas, it was a 10 pt win at a neutral site…come on

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding me?

So out of 10 games every game should end up within a FG? Your point is stupid.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what reasons do you have to think that OU would win 7 of 10

not even stoops would think that OU would win 7 of 10

hell not even boomer would.

OU is a good team, but to say that they are that much better than texas is foolish.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

I’d put it at about 50/50

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What makes me think that

The full season of watching most of both teams’ games. Texas is weak in the secondary and LBs and I think Bradford’s vision would allow him to pick those back 7 to death, especially with OU’s WR’s hands.

I think Colt McCoy’s a great college QB, but he’s too prone to forcing balls where they shouldn’t go. He’s not patient enough.

I don’t think Texas’ RBs are good enough to establish a good two-dimensional system. OU would focus heavily on rushing McCoy and (a) forcing him to run, or (b) getting him to throw it. And as I mentioned, McCoy’s patience is a problem and he’d make some costly mistakes.

Keeping in mind a Best of 10 here, I really do think OU would expose TU as an inferior team (not to say they’re not a Top 5 team).

by Apes and Androids on Dec 1, 2008 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so you really think that texas would lose 7 of the next 9 played against OU

i SERIOUSLY doubt that.

now am i gonna say texas would win 6 of 10 vs OU? honestly, probably not. but to say that either is that much better than the other, especially after texas beat them by 10 on a neutral field…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 1, 2008 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup.

Just look at how much Colt McCoy was on the ground vs. Texas A&M (one of the worst defenses in the nation). Texas will be better next year and the difference between them and OU will be closer (maybe even flipped), but this year they’ve got too many holes.

by Apes and Androids on Dec 1, 2008 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Go back and watch how many holds ~~Texas~~ Tech got away with in the second half

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because that's a whiner's response

“Why play the games?” Boo hoo.

Even if you take Brent Musberger’s system OU gets the nod.

All Texas has to claim is the head2head, everything else goes OU’s way.

Even though Texas beat OU, they still lost to a worse team than OU. If Texas lost to North Texas for their one loss, no Texas fan would be crying, because they lost to a worse team than OU did.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Texas lost on a last second play on the road

Texas played the toughest 4 game stretch of any team in the conference and probably any team in the country and lost on the last second of that stretch on the road.

Texas was the only one to play and beat the other team in the championship game Mizzou

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mizzou sucks

Tough schedule? Still gotta play the games.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Except

when the other team apparently holds — then you just ignore the outcome of the game, right?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm taking that this was a response to mine

Every fan of one team will always say that the other team is holding. It always happens. One team will apparently hold in one part of the game, but in another part, the other team will. Hell, I’ve played football all my life, and I can tell you that holding happens every single play, especially in the middle of the line. Is it going to get called all the time? No, its not. Is it going to effect the outcome of the game? No, not all the time.

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

However,

And like I said, I hate OU with a passion, I had to admit, the refs screwed them out of the game in the 2nd half. That affects rhythm and confidence and takes a big toll. Refs don’t normally kill a game, but they did on that one.

by Apes and Androids on Nov 30, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand,

And believe me, I’m not a fan of either team. Hell, I kindof wanted OU to win to make my school (TCU) look better.

But then again, bad calls are apart of the game. For those late hits calls that Texas got on the sideline, you also have to look at the roughing the punter flags that OU got. No team got really hosed in that game. They fought hard, and the only problem for OU was that they couldn’t stop UT in the second half, while UT could stop OU. That was the difference in the game

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats the best argument for Texas

They did play the toughest stretch in all of college football (4 straight top 13 teams) and the only lost happen on the final play of the last game in that stretch, on the road as well.

It is very tough for any team to play 4 straight top 13 teams and expect to come out of those games 4-0. Hell, I’m not even sure if Bama, Florida, or OU could do it. It physically and mentially wears you down.

But voters saw that OU has put the numbers up the past couple of weeks and saw what they did to Tech. In college football, its usually what you do at the end of the year that looks better for pollers than what happened at the beginning of the year

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why don't you post another pic

of Tech supposedly holding a Texas defender right about here?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

Now fuck off

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

next post the pic

of the block in the back on Shipley’s punt return for the TD…y’know the one where there was a penalty flag thrown and then the official was then talked into picking it up?

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Nov 30, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey im not saying it didn't happen

And anyone who wants to show proof is more than welcome to. Josey likes to say Tech didn’t hol and I have no problem proving that motherfucker wrong

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, bigsteve...

Doesn’t it suck that little ol’ Texas Tech located in that agreed upon shit hole of Lubbock Texas kept your precious little horns out of the Big 12 ’ship?

As long as we’re going to be free and easy dropping mf’s, why don’t you tell both Muschamp that both of those stupid motherfuckers he made safetys screwed the pooch on November 1.

If Gideon catches the ball or Thomas helps out on Crabtree, this conversation doesn’t exist.

OU deserved to go and it’s funny as hell from the Tech POV.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thats ok

TT will lose in their bowl game as well

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Geez steve calm down buddy

It isn’t the end of the world.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so this is what, fiesta bowl

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

For Texas

Probably. OU loses to Mizzou and they could sneak into the NC.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So glad

the analysis we get is some unbiased Barry Switzer…kill me

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

usc

plays int he pac ten. throw them into the SEC or big 12 and we will see how they do.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

They'd have 10 wins or so

what’s your point?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that the pac 10 sucks compared to the big 12 or SEC

much tougher divisions, and wouldnt have the “best defense” in the country

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure

this year it sucks. But, surely you realize that is cyclical. USC is 30-5 vs non-conference teams since 2001. 4 of those losses came from 2001-2002. The other one was vs. UT in the BCS championship.

There’s no doubt at all that USC would be one of the top teams in ANY conference.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the way i see it

the rose bowl is perfect because you have two teams who come from conferences that either play nobody or choke on the big stage. That ways we dont have to see either of those teams go out and get embarrassed by someone else.

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

again

at least tebow wont play on sundays.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

OU

They really need Bama to win the SEC title game. Don’t wanna end up like OSU.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Quick question

Does an ugly FL win boost them enough to get above Texas? Right now there is a .34 or so difference…

I would laugh if FL beats Alabama in na ugky game and still doesn’t make the National title game

by laxtonto on Nov 30, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yea

They would fall enough in the Human polls it wouldn’t matter.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

?

florida would fall enough not to make the NC?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

He said an ugly Florida win. I assume he’s saying would bama fall to 2 and OU move to 1 or would OU and Texas have a rematch in the national title game. Not gonna happen. Florida will jump to two if they win the SEC championship game.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Nov 30, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the computers will have OU and TX 1 and 2

in that situation. Might be enough, but the pollsters will collude at that point…

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

florida will still get bumped to #1 probably

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

College football is one big joke

by Save us on Nov 30, 2008 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I can see arguments both ways

But again, this highlights the need for a playoff system.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

as i said yesterday, i think if each BCS Conference

has a championship game between the 2 highest bcs ranked teams in their conference, that it acts kind of like a playoff and could clear up some of the clutter at the top of the rankings.

that’s an idea for those who don’t like the playoff, but yeah…common sense tells us there should be one. I don’t think we will see that anytime soon though…

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For every conference to have a champ. game

the Pac 10 would have to add 2 teams — and that’s not happening. They just need a damn playoff, regardless of conf. champ. games.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its not like the pac 10 could get any worse

what happens if they add Utah and BYU?? that conference just gets way better than it used to be

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't let this one year fool you

the Pac 10 isn’t always this bad.

Surely you realize that conference strengths is cyclical?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I realize that

however, it just seems that when one team like USC controls a conference for so long, it tends to have an effect on the other teams. I understand that they were a Dennis Dixon injury away from having 2 BCS teams last year, but when was the last time the PAC 10 have 2 BCS teams, and one of them was not USC

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

so having an elite team like USC is bad for the Pac 10? How?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

it depends on waht a conference’s goal is. if it is to have a team constantly in the running for the national championship, then obviously its not bad. however, if its to get as many good teams as possible and to get 2 teams into the BCS, then it is bad because it will have a major effect on recruiting – more of the top recruits will obviously want to go to the top schools (USC)- therefore dropping the potential talent level at the certain schools and affecting the actual play on the field

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

actually that is wrong

USC is already losing recruits to other schools. Kids are realizing that if they go to USC they might have to sit for 4 years before they play, but if they got to UCLA, Cal, or ASU they can play right away.

Now, I’m not saying USC isn’t pulling their fair share of talent in — but it’s hardly taking away from the other schools. As good as USC is, they only have 25 or so scholarships to hand out in any given year. California is easily a top 3 football state in terms of talent — there’s plenty to go around to the other schools.

Also, do you think the Pac 10 wants USC to just keep dominating? Surely you realize that they want all their schools to be better. That leads to better bowl tie-ins because people want to watch your good teams play.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That brings us to another point

There are way to many bowls. When I was growing up it was something special to get to a bowl game because you had to be a good team to get to one, now if you go 6-6 you can get to a bowl. No I’m not 70 and nor do I remember leather helments I just turned 40 so it hasn’t beenthat long ago. Screw making the kids feel better cut some bowls. They need to learn life isn’t fair so no more participation trophy either let them cry!

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What difference does it make?

Going to a bowl makes the fans feel good, helps out the host cities and gives non-powerhouse programs a couple of extra weeks of practice that all the big time programs get every year.

It’s not like UNT going to New Orleans Bowl is taking anything away from the joy you get from seeing OU in the Orange Bowl.

There’s nothing I’d love more than to see Baylor go the Widget.com Bowl next year.

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just feel

The Bowls used to be for the best teams in the country that is why you worked so hard during the season and in spring drills. It used to mean something to say your school made it to a bowl game. Now you get rewarded for being average hey here you go you went 6-6 congrats you are going to the desks r us bowl! whoo hoo! you might not be the best but damn it you have grit!

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Difference

Those of us who’s teams suck (UNT grad who married into a very Baylor family) like the extra bowls. Those of you with ties to teams that finish Top 15 every year don’t.

Don’t piss on my 2002 New Orleans Bowl victory. It’s all I’ve got in the last two decades ;)

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Sorry I do understand though. After Barry left OU’s program went downhill until Stoops got there. My wife went to FSU and my father in law has season tickets to Bama.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One thing about expanded bowls

Occasionally good teams not in the class of the Big 12 or SEC leaders make for interesting games. Living here, I try to follow TCU. My son went to Tulsa. My daughter to KU. And my two colleges were Colorado and Indiana State (the ISU “team” holds the nations’ longest losing streak).

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 30, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

by Brett Perryman on Nov 30, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i see one argument

Texas and OU have the same record and Texas beat OU. Which mean Texas is better than OU. Its not that complicated, its just that these dumbass voters only look at what just recently happened

by Save us on Nov 30, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tech and UT have the same record

Tech beat UT. Which means tech is better than UT.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

on the road, in the last second, after texas played top 12 opponents, tech lost to OU by a ton, tech almost lost to Baylor, tech didnt play missouri.

so no, texas better than both of them.

by Save us on Nov 30, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In 2000

OU started out unranked then came October and OU beat UT, K-State and Nebraska all of whom were in the Top 10 they went on to finish the year undefeated. They won all of their games that were on the schedule and never let up. They had no control how the schedule shaped up they just played it. Texas had a rough streak but hey they had to play it and they lost to Tech it happens butdon’t blame the schedule. Mack should have kept them focused.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yall were not unranked

According to this yall started #19. And you are right you had a tough three game stretch. But you had a week off between the K State game and the Nebraska game. Texas went 4 straight weeks playing top 12 opponents. Not to mention the fact that due to Hurricane Ike we had played the previous 3 weeks as well so the Tech game was as the end of a 7 straight week stetch playing games and the last 4 were against top 12 opponents. Then to top it off we had two more weeks before our bye week. So please don’t try and compare what yall did in 2000 to what we had to go through this season.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just making a point bigsteve

Texas is not the only team that has had a rough strech in their schedule.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where was yalls?

Those last two weeks? After having a bye week to prepare for Tech?Texas is the only team that is getting screwed out of a conference championship game because of their tough schedule

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Come on now...

enough of this Longhorn fans. Now it’s where OU had it’s bye week?

Stop crying that you’re getting screwed by not being in a NC game when you have a loss. My team hasn’t lost and I’m just tickled pink to be in any BCS game.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

again

compare the conference – throw utah in the big 12 south and there is zip, zero, none chance that utah is undefeated in the big 12 south

now the north is another story ;)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Very true

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

are you really comparing Texas to Utah?

by Save us on Dec 1, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It is what it is ok?

Get off of your high horse here. It is not my fault nor is it any Sooner fans or the teams fault. It was the 5th tie breaker. Look we lost to Texas yes I admit that and Texas lost to TT no matter what you think it happened.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think its your fault boomer

totally and completely.
you rigged the bcs
you hacked the computer polls

admit it!!!

lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you, thank you very much

Just doing my part yOU got me! lol

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it doesnt matter that UT lost to Tech

we beat OU. its simple

by Save us on Dec 1, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm on your side

I really, really wanted Texas to go.

But you’re acting like an Aggie.

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Come on robert

don’t go that far! lol bigsteve is a good guy and we agree on alot of things he is just having a bad day.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree on all points

But bigsteve’s arguments are eerily similar to ones you’d hear from Aggies. That’s all I’m saying … don’t stoop to Aggie level.

by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 30, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ok gotcha

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Look

Im not trying to say OU isn’t a good team. They are. But Texas was the better team this year and had to work alot harder to get their record than OU did. If you spread out Texas’ 4 big games and give us a bye week before one of them I can guarantee you we go undefeated. But the simple fact is we didn’t have that. We had to play 9 straight weeks thanks to mother nature. Theres nothing we could do about it. And it showed against Tech. We were exhausted from playing 4 high intensity games in 4 weeks. OU didn’t have to go through that. Im sorry you didn’t. And you can’t tell me that didn’t factor into our loss.

Texas Tech had a good year but they are who everyone thought they were. I good team with a gimicky offense who can’t win the big one away from Lubbock. Nebraska took them to OT in Lincoln and OU stomped their ass in Norman. Then they barely survived against Baylor. Im sorry but they do not deserve to be in the Big 12 or National championship discussion.

That leaves TX and OU. And Im sorry but a 10 point win on a neutral field should put us in KC this week not yall. The Cotton Bowl is as neutral as you can get. Exactly half way between the two campuses and the crowd split literally in half. We won and yall lost. Yet yall are going to not only the Big 12 championship game but also the MNC game if yall win and thats just not fair. Call me aggy or whatever you want but the team that should be playing this Saturday in KC will be sitting at home watching two teams it beat.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

It most certainly does not just leave Texas & OU.

You dumbasses lost in Lubbock and there was a three-way tie.

Win in Lubbock and there are no questions or computers.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

again, its ok. you got demolished by OU and almost got beaten by baylor…by * baylor *

and you will lose in the cotton bowl…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

11-1 is always sweeeeeeet

especially when you beat UT and most especially when that win f’s up their chance for a national championship.

Tech will do quite well in the Cotton Bowl.

Thank your friends in Lubbock because Florida would have kicked your little asses.

Have fun v. Utah (LOL!) in the Fiesta Bowl!!

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't laugh...

at my Utes bitch.

I’ve seen Tech play what they call defense, and I’m pretty sure BJ and Co. would put up 50 on them.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Utah put up 50 on Tech

they’d still lose by three touchdowns.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure they would...

remind me again how many BCS games has Tech played in?

Utah > Tech.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

burn,

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 1, 2008 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your big win this year

came on a Thursday night on such a spare network (CBSCS?) that I had to leave the house and go find a sports bar to see it.

Tech’s big win over Texas was the number one rated game of the year and the 5th highest in the history of college football on ABC.

The Tech/Texas game was the best game in college football history since the Miami/BC ’84 game and people will always remember where they were when Crabtree made his catch.

A seminal moment in the history of sports.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 1, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yet

higher TV ratings doesn’t prove that Tech is a better team than Utah.

Better “moment” — OK — Tech wins there.

Better team — we certainly don’t know that.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 1, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Tech...

couldn’t put up 50 on the Utes. They actually play defense here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So you beat Michigan, Oregon St

TCU and BYU…which victory is supposed to blow me away?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ahmmm...

<cough, come from behind at home v. Baylor by a TD, cough>

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 1, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And beat #1 UT, OK State by 36

an 8-4 Nebraska team and a 7-5 Kansas team that beat Mizzou at home by the score of 63-21.

Utah would get the shit kicked out of themselves by Texas Tech.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 1, 2008 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wrong....

"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me

by miles on Dec 1, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure they would...

perhaps we would of found out if Tech hadn’t got killed by OU and knocked out of the BCS.

Tech is a good offensive team that when played by a team like Utah with solid defense would get shut down. The Utes would win by 2 TD’s.

The Tech program is not close to what the Utes have. You should just be happy they didn’t lose 4 or 5 games this year like they do every year. Have fun in the Cotton Bowl – it’s the best and biggest Bowl you have been to or will get to.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 1, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and if Ou wins in Dallas, there are no questions or computers

by Save us on Dec 1, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But Texas is the only team who played top 12 teams in a row

and they are the only team who beat OU

by Save us on Dec 1, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not blaming it on the schedule, im saying that Texas beat OU head to head on a neutral field. Stoops should have prepared them better

by Save us on Dec 1, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A playoff system would be great

But ESPN really screwed that up when they brought the rights to the BCS for half a billion dollars to keep it going for another 5 years….

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

rec

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

College football = gymnastics

We need a playoff, why should a business like college football be left up to biased judges who have their own agendas. ESPN should of never signed the contract until they put in a playoff.

by Ranger Capt on Nov 30, 2008 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yep

by Brett Perryman on Nov 30, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you mean

one of the ou players is really like 10 and says they are 14??

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 30, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

bradford!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Man if that is the case

The Sooners will be great into the next decade!

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Excellent

So Texas has beaten both teams in the Big XII conference championship game.

I love blowing out a huge rival by the second biggest margin ever and falling in the rankings. Playoffs are a necessity.

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow. Texas got hosed.

Pure and simple.

by Athos on Nov 30, 2008 4:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

bcs

there is just no good answer for this situation given the rules that are there.
how can ou jump texas when texas beat ou at a neutral site.
but how can texas jump tech when they lost to tech?
then how does texas jump ou when ou beat the #1 team late in the season that happened to beat texas?

my mind is going to explode trying to understand how jacked the system is.
put the top 2 bcs teams in the big 12 title game and call it a day

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 30, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Top 2 BCS teams

How does that alleviate all the problems you correctly pointed out in your post?

"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn

by DaheelzCM on Nov 30, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well

it doesnt exactly get rid of the problem but it makes a lot more sense than what exists.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Nov 30, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tech's schedule put them in that position

when you play Eastern Washington, Nevada, SMU, and UMASS OOC you pretty much have to go undefeated.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It is what it is

I’m not going to say anything else on this. If Texas would have been ranked higher than OU so be it. It was going to end badly for one team today no matter what the out come.

This just proves the point Longhorn, knockout and I have been discussing all week long there needs to be a playoff system or elminate the North and South and take the top 2 teams for the Big XII Championship game.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1

the divisions are dumb
the north is SO much weaker than the south

heres the problem: what DOES happen if OU wins the bcs champ game and texas wins their bowl….

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Things change

Not that it’s relevant to the current rankings situation. Back when the divisions were formed, Nebraska and K-State were pretty tough. Mizzou vied with KU to be the weak sister, Colorado was pretty good, and Iowa State couldn’t win but put people into the NFL. A&M was considered a strength in the south, and Tech wasn’t thought to be on the horizon of being a big winner.

Things change.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 30, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can agree on one thing

If the BCS rankings are going to have any kind of say in who plays in the Big 12 championship game — why not eliminate the divisions and just take the 2 highest ranked Big 12 teams in the BCS.

Of course — why should UT have to play in that game? They already proved they are better than OU on the field.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

lookin at the numbers

a FLA win over bama will not guarantee them in the top 2 of the BCS.

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nevermind

that should be very close as well.

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wont matter

human poll is gonna bump fla over texas

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Florida should jump UT

if they beat Alabama because they would have won their conference.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Nov 30, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was way down on the list of tie-breaks.....

the next item to matter was a freaking coin flip. The point is it was a very unexpected outcome and you don’t trash your system for a fluke.

I know UT fans are pissed, and they should be, but throwing away the divisions because of this would be selfish and someday you’d probably be complaining about not having them because it did your team wrong.

by bdavison94 on Nov 30, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I'm not a UT fan really -- I went to ASU

I just don’t think any team should have any sort of geographical advantage over another team. I don’t like that in any sport.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough....

The divisons make the championship game to me. We’ve had a lot of upsets that no one saw coming from the team that had no chance.

UT in 96
A&M in 98
Colorado in 01
KSU in 03

It happens A LOT. Makes it much more fun for me.

by bdavison94 on Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure

but if Mizzou upsets OU — Do you think they deserve to be called “champions” when they already lost to UT and had a worse in-conference record?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes I do call them champions.

Just like I called the NY Giants Champions even though they lost to 7 teams in the regular season last year.

I called UT champions in 96 and A&M in 98.

For someone that has been arguing in this entire thread that on the field matters you seem to be changing your tune here.

by bdavison94 on Nov 30, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, I'm not

Mizzou lost to UT already did they not? They’ll have a worse record than UT won’t they? I have a hard time recognizing one team as a true “champion” when it was merely a geographical advantage that got them to that point.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 30, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it will be funny becauze

mizzou is the 5th (maybe 6th?) best team in the conference

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love seeing teams...

get screwed in this BCS mess. It just shows that a playoff is needed.

Of course these BCS conferences and schools don’t care about seeing which team is the best in any given year, all the schools and their presidents care about is that the money keeps coming their way. I will never feel sorry for a team like Texas, Florida, USC, Ohio St., etc. getting screwed out of a NC game. Their schools and presidents have the power to change the system. The fact that they only speak up when they are hurt by the system just goes to show you that $ is the most important thing here. They hate the system when it hurts them, but not enough to change it and risk those big checks not flowing in every year,

Every other major sport has some kind of a playoff to determine their champion. I don’t understand why college football should be any different.

Texas v. Utah in the Fiesta Bowl. This is what I want to see now. Go Utes.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

OT to OT

I’m feeling not so good about the Cowboys playoff hopes..

I was hoping for 3 or 4 losses by our major adversaries today. So far only Washington has lost, and Atlanta is leading.

It’s going to take 11-5 to get in, none of our competitors look to let up.

by Sharky on Nov 30, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

it's going be among us, wash and atl for the last spot

atl should fade, wash has Baltimore away and are home against Philly…

We should take care of business anyways.

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No doubt

Keep Romo healthy and they should have no problem.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

philly still isnt completely out of it

there last win vs. the cardinals really helped them, that tie of theres could either hurt or help them

by studcrackers on Nov 30, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the nfc south

is really starting to irritate me. three mediocre teams taht continue to win because they don’t play anybody. tampa the last 4 weeks has needed two big rallies to beat the two worst teams in the nfl, then lost to us with brad johnson. carolina today gets outgained by 180 yards and is -15 minutes in the time of posession and somehow wins in green bay. and now you have san diego being perhaps the most gutless team in the history of the nfl fixing to lose a game that their season is riding on at home against atlanta. atleast the steelers are kicking the patriots ass. might come in over confident next week. didn’t want to play them coming off a loss.

by selppuc on Nov 30, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the teams in teh south will end up knocking each other out

atlanta still has tampa. tampa still has carolina and atlanta. and dont forget about new orleans. they have both atlanta and carolina and could easily play spoiler

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, the NFC south will beat up on each other

Just like the saints and the bucs did today.

But the cowboys should stop worrying about what other teams are doing. They should just go out on the field every week and win. Thats what going to get them in the playoffs. They win the rest of their games, they’re in

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Nov 30, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So if Florida wins...

If Florida wins, they still have quite a jump to make to catch Texas in the computers. If they win and don’t pass Texas in the computers (which is very much possible), then UT could play OU for the title…what a joke.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Nov 30, 2008 6:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It would be fun though

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not gonna happen

Florida beating a undefeated #1 team will vault them in the coaches polls. OU has to lose for Texas to play in the MNC and its not gonna be a TX/OU rematch

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The human polls don't matter...

You missed the point:

1. OU and Texas would be #1 and #2 in the computers with Florida being #4 or #5. They are simply too far back to jump much higher than #4, and may still be behind Alabama in the computers. They are significantly behind Tech, and may stay behind them as well. It’s realistic that the top 3 will all be Big 12 due to strength of schedule. Florida will either be #4 or #5, with the wildcard being whether or not they can jump Alabama in the computers. Numerically (which is all that matters to computers), Bama will have one loss to a top 5 team, whereas Florida will have one loss to a much, much weaker opponent. I expect Florida to be #5 in the final BCS, but realize that #4 is possible.

2. Florida would be the unanimous #1 in both human polls. I would expect that they would jump both Texas and OU in the coach’s poll. They are already only slightly behind them. Texas will most likely stay at 3 in both polls, but if they remain ahead of OU in the Harris poll, then that only helps their cause.

It’s therefore possible that if Texas is #2 or #3 in one poll and #3 in the other, that they will stay ahead of Florida in the BCS and therefore play in the National Championship, because they will be ranked #2 overall in the computers whereas Florida will be ranked #5.

Don’t count this out, and you’re starting to see some analysts talk about the possibility (Sportsline has an article up, and Yahoo mentions it).

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Nov 30, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ummm no

Because adding the #1 team in the nation to their SOS will jump them up. Plus poll voters will not let a one loss FLA who just won the SEC get left out for two Big 12 teams who have already played this season. Not gonna happen

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 30, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ummm yeah

bigsteve,
We’re not talking about human polls here, but you don’t seem to be getting that point. As I said in the post that you responded to, but obviously didn’t read, Florida (if they win) will be #1 in both of the human polls. Nobody’s arguing that point, so for you to say “poll voters will not let a one loss FLA who just won the SEC get left out for two Big 12 teams who have already played this season” is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. I guess there’s an outside chance that they wouldn’t jump OU in the Harris poll, but that’s unlikely. They should be the #1 team in the human polls…but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

Furthermore, you say that Florida will have just beaten “the #1 team in the nation,” but once again you are incorrect. We are talking about computer rankings, not human ones. Alabama is currently the #3 team in the nation in the computers because they simply haven’t played a tough schedule. In Jeff Sagarin’s computer rankings he has them #4 overall, behind OU, UT and TTU. So according to Sagarin’s BCS rankings (which are what matters), the game is between Florida, the #6 team in the country, and Alabama, the #4 team.

For Florida to make it to the championship game, they realistically need to be at least #4 in the computer rankings because if Florida wins, then UT and OU will be 1 and 2 in the computers (assuming OU beats Mizzou). There’s no way that Florida can jump into the top 2 in the computers. Can they jump to #3? Who’s currently ahead of them in the computers outside of UT and OU? Utah, TTU and Alabama. Let’s look at each numerically (which is what the computers will do).

Utah is undefeated with a 1-0 record against top 10 teams and a 3-0 record against top 30 teams.

Alabama would have one loss, and would be 0-1 against top 10 teams and 3-1 against top 30 teams. Their one loss will have come to the computers #4-6 team.

Texas Tech only has one loss, and is 1-1 against top 10 teams, and 3-1 against top 30 teams. Their one loss will have come to the #1 team in the country. They also will have beaten the computer’s #2 team.

Florida would be 12-1 going 1-0 against top 10 teams and 3-0 against top 30 teams. Their one loss would have come against the #33 team in the country. They would also have beaten the computer’s #4-6 team following the game.

Florida needs to be at least #4 in the computers to make the national championship. You can say all you want about the human voters, but even if they unanimously make Florida #1, if UT and OU are at #2 and #3 in the human polls and #1 and #2 in the computer polls, then Florida must jump to #4 to pass Texas. That means passing two of the three teams listed above.

Based on the computers, I see no way that they pass Texas Tech. TTU will have a better SoS, their only loss will be to the nation’s #1 team, and they will have beaten the nation’s #2 team.

Florida then must pass both Utah and Alabama. As you can see from above, its not going to be as easy as it may currently seem. Bama’s one loss will have been to a top 5 team, whereas Florida will have lost to a team that’s not even in the top 30. Florida will still have the top 5 victory though, which Bama doesn’t have. It will be very close. Utah played a weak schedule, but is undefeated, has a top 10 victory and is 3-0 against top 30 teams. It will be difficult for Florida to jump them as well.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Dec 1, 2008 2:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You obviously don't understand the system

A win over the previous #1 team in the nation will push Florida over Texas in the BCS. It may not jump Texas in the computers but it will close the gap enough that the human polls will put Florida in the MNC game. Texas’ SOS is set. There are no games left to add to that. Florida gets to add the #1 team in the nation, a team that is undefeated. Plus OU gets a SOS boost by playing Mizzou which will lengthen the spread between OU and TX. So Texas dropping due to OU playing Mizzou plus Florida beating Bama will put Florida in the MNC game.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 7:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Playing around the with the numbers

Hypothetical: Fla beats Ala and everyone in the human polls swap their Ala and Fla votes, so Fla. now has Ala’s points and Ala has Fla’s points.

In that scenario, even if Fla realized no gain in the computer polls — which is impossible — Fla still jumps past UT to No. 2 by a comfortable margin.

The majority of Ala’s first place votes would have to go to OU instead of Fla., which is possible, but not probable.

Also, remember that OU beating No. 12 OSU vaulted them from fourth to first in the computers. So it’s not inconceivable that Fla beating No. 3 Ala. could move them from sixth to at least No. 3 if not No. 2.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 1, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

heh...eff college football

pitchers and catchers report in just over 2 months.

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hah, LIAR!

you’re the happiest person in the world right now, you get to see your team in the NC game.

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Now come on

I haven’t taunted at all. But I am happy. lol

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gripe all you want...

Horns fans… Tech fans… even Sooner fans. If you don’t take care of business on the field EVERY TIME OUT THERE, you put yourself at the mercy of the pollsters. Bama is the only (BCS) school to do that so far. They’ve got their hands full next week, but so far, they’re the only ones who can gripe if left out.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Nov 30, 2008 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I couldn't agree more

Go Bama

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

they’re the only ones who can gripe if left out.

i sure hope they gripe if they go undefeated and get left out.

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Like Auburn

in ’04?

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so was USC and OU

if a team went undefeated in a BCS conference and didn’t go to the NC game over 1 loss teams…yeah, they should gripe.

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Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 30, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ahmm...

There was another deserving team in ’04 that was undefeated as well.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True

and you guys ROLLED Pitt

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i would have loved to see Utah

go up against a better opponent. I think that team with Alex Smith was something special and its a shame they had to play against such a poor team in Pitt, though I’m sure Utah fans arent complaining.

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Nov 30, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

a lot of us were complaining about Pitt. We were thrilled to be in a BCS game, and still are, but we would have liked to have see Urban, Alex, and Co. go up against Auburn or USC that year. Even if it meant losing. Many of us wanted to see how good that team really was. Pitt did little to test Utah.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Without a doubt

Auburn or OU or USC would have made for a better game than Pitt. Auburn/Utah would have been my choice, that way all 4 undefeated teams would be matched up against another undefeated

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Timing

Lets say Texas and OU play the last game of the season instead of during the first part of the season and UT beats OU to force the 3 game time.

What would happen?

I’m not trying to make a point or anything, just wondering how things would be different.

by chase1971 on Nov 30, 2008 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Texas would have finished

Ahead of the Sooners.

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by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

and think it sucks. That game is the Big XII championship, and as a Horns fan, I know when we win that game we have the chance to play for the national championship. If that game falls in late Nov, we’re in… but in mid Oct, we sit out.

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If things were truly fair...

none of the above posts would matter and Boise St. and Utah would be playing for the NC. :)

I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler

by ortonius on Nov 30, 2008 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ball State....

Mac is the best conference in the universe…

"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me

by miles on Nov 30, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Bama?

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Nov 30, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Ball State?

"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me

by miles on Nov 30, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply

		BCS		Harris Poll			USA Today			Computer Rankings
	TEAM	BCS AVG	PRVS	RK	PTS	%	RK	PTS	%	COMP AVG	A&H	RB	CM	KM	JS	PW	%
1	Alabama	.9872	1	1	2839	.9961	1	1518	.9954	1	25	25	24	22	23	25	.970
2	Texas	.9209	3	4	2577	.9042	4	1370	.8984	2	23	23	25	24	25	24	.960
3	Oklahoma	.9125	5	3	2598	.9116	2	1412	.9259	3	22	24	21	25	22	22	.900
4	Florida	.8755	4	2	2644	.9277	3	1401	.9187	6	20	19	22	20	19	19	.780
5	USC	.7974	6	5	2387	.8375	5	1288	.8446	8	16	21	18	19	16	18	.710
6	Utah	.7858	7	8	2113	.7414	7	1153	.7561	5	24	20	23	21	21	21	.860
7	Texas Tech	.7789	2	7	2118	.7432	8	1073	.7036	4	21	22	20	23	24	23	.890

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