Michael "Face" Young Among AL Gold Glove Winners

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 1:11 AM CST

Here are your winners:

P: Mike Mussina, NYY
C: Joe Mauer, MIN
1B: Carlos Pena, TB
2B: Dustin Pedroia, BOS
3B: Adrian Beltre, SEA
SS: Michael Young, TEX
OF: Torii Hunter, LAA
OF: Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
OF: Grady Sizemore, CLE

So, FOTF MY won. How does this make you feel? Think the small chances of him moving are now shot? Are you happy a Ranger won an award he clearly didn't deserve?

Also, assuming these are true, here's the same numerical representation I did in the other thread using plus/minus.

These are the numbers for the AL players just at the positions they played, with MLB ranks in parenthesis:

Carlos Pena: +14 (5th)
Dustin Pedroia: +15 (5th)
Adrian Beltre: +32 (1st)
Michael Young: -7 (27th)
Torii Hunter: -5 (19th)
Grady Sizmore: +7 (10th)
Ichiro Suzuki: +3 [-9 CF (25th), +12 RF (7th)]

And, for comparison, here were the AL leaders at every position (not necessarily who I would endorse for Gold Gloves):

1B: Carlos Pena, +14 (5th)*
2B: Mark Ellis, +26 (2nd)
3B: Adrian Beltre, +32 (1st)
SS: Mike Aviles, +15 (7th)**
LF: Carl Crawford, +23 (1st)
CF: Carlos Gomez, +32 (1st)+
RF: Franklin Gutierrez, +29 (1st)+

*Kevin Youkilis was a +14 overall, with a +8 at third and a +6 at first.

**Marco Scutaro was second among AL shortstops with a +12, but had a +29 total spread over significant time at ever infield position.

+Alex Rios put up a +15 in RF (4th) and a +11 in CF (6th) for an overall +26.

Better than the NL, but still not that good.

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Heh

The SportingGoodsNewsWire.Com scoop, eh?

Be honest, Phil. You made up that site, didn’t you?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.

by thedirkatron on Nov 6, 2008 1:53 AM CST reply actions

LOL

It’s hilarious.

But no, I got it from some Mariners fan.

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 2:30 AM CST up reply actions

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I wonder.

If it turns out to not be legit, mea culpa. I just don’t see what there would be to gain by faking the results and citing the Rawlings website as a source, but people do weird things on the internets.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 6, 2008 4:07 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah, could be fake.

If it’s not, thanks. If it is, no biggie, I’ll edit that post.

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 4:18 AM CST up reply actions

Not sure if I buy it

but if its real sure I’m happy. I always want my Rangers to get awards, deserved or not. We know there have been plenty of times Rangers have deserved things and not received them. So it all evens out.

As for moving him to 3b. If it makes sense, then move him. He has a contract to play for the rangers, not to play SS for the Rangers. I don’t buy the “he has to agree” nonsense. If you aren’t confident enough in your decision to move him unwillingly, then you need to come to a firmer conclusion.

by JBImaknee on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 AM CST reply actions

maybe it will raise his trade value,

hehe.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Nov 6, 2008 5:32 AM CST reply actions

Hes got quite the resume

5 time all star
Batting champion
Silver slugger
Gold glove
All star game MVP

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Nov 6, 2008 5:40 AM CST up reply actions

I litterally forgot he won a batting title.

This is an indication of how detatched I was (busy during the summer) for several years and how much I really don’t care about batting average, I guess.

Like, I remember that year and I totally forgot until exactly now.

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 6:04 AM CST up reply actions

LOL

I can tell I’m on LSB.

“Maybe it will raise his trade value”

Not, wow, he’s a great player, the statistics show he’s among the best defensive SS hope he can help us win in the future"

No, “maybe this will raise his trade value”

Because clearly, what the Rangers need is more trades.

by Sharky on Nov 6, 2008 6:48 AM CST up reply actions

The statistics show that?

by Brett Perryman on Nov 6, 2008 8:43 AM CST up reply actions

GG+

by LiamP on Nov 6, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions

What other SS

candidates could there have been in the AL?

by jonthefon on Nov 6, 2008 5:42 AM CST reply actions

There were several better than MY.

He was 27th in MLB in +/-. I’m too lazy to see how many of those were in the AL, but several.

The best candidate was probably out of Marco Scutaro, Orlando Cabrera or Mike Aviles. Scutaro put +29 performance moving around, but was primarily a shortstop. Cabrera was first by a large margin in outs out of zone and third in revised zone rating. And Mike Aviles was first among full-time shortstops in +/- in the AL with +15, but also saw a relatively short season.

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 6:11 AM CST up reply actions

Nope

None of those were better than MY. They barely even played. Pathetic list on your part. Very poor players there.

by Sharky on Nov 6, 2008 6:49 AM CST up reply actions

Be honest

You’d never heard of any of them before he posted their names.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 6, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions

Give me your evidence for such a claim.

Also, pay ab03.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Nov 6, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions

Heh

If he were half the coward he professes to be, he’d paypal ab03 that money immediately.

"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst

by inactive lsb user on Nov 6, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions

barely played?

every one of those guys was in the lineup every day, aviles just started the season in the minors

how do you think those guys stay in the lineup every day? at least scutaro and cabrera, who didn’t turn any heads wielding a stick.

At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012

by trident on Nov 6, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

Just to clarify something

Is that 27th in the MLB overall in +/- or 27th among shortstops?

I wish I knew how to find some kind of a leaderboard to check for +/- myself, but I don’t.

A Lonestar in California

Just say no to Scott Olsen.

by LSJ on Nov 6, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions

27th among all ML shortstops

Baseball Time in Arlington

by Joey Matschulat on Nov 6, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions

Shortstops

There is a free leaderboard at www.thefieldingbible.com.

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions

No 'the'

http://fieldingbible.com/

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 6, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

Err

Young clearly did deserve the award.

You’re just butthurt cus you hate him. Cry Moar/

by Sharky on Nov 6, 2008 6:46 AM CST reply actions

FWIW

Dave Pinto did his PMR rankings for SS yesterday : here.

His stats show Young as a little below average defensively last year, though he still had a higher DER than “predicted DER.”

by jcir454 on Nov 6, 2008 7:41 AM CST reply actions

I just realized...

This was already posted in the comments for Adam’s thread…

by jcir454 on Nov 6, 2008 7:48 AM CST up reply actions

Palmeiro wins 1B as a DH

If he can win it, anything is possible.

by Coolbean04 on Nov 6, 2008 8:12 AM CST reply actions

Stoip

Whining, and duplicate posting. Heh ….

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Nov 6, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions

It's Official.

Per texasrangers.com

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081106&content_id=3667876&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Nov 6, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions

Now

the whining can really begin.

by Jea103 on Nov 6, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know that there's actually any reason to whine.

I mean, I’m more happy about it than anything, even if he doesn’t deserve it. There just is a small twinge of fear that if he was actually maybe possibly going to move this makes that harder.

And I don’t want to hear Josh and TAG hail his Gold Glove every time he makes a routine play.

by philkid3 on Nov 6, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions