MJH LHSP 6-10
by rooster on Nov 8, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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10. Phillips
9. Ballard
8. Geuris Grullon
7. Robbie Ross
6. Kiker
Do the Rangers even have 5 other LHSP in their system?
Obviously,
1. Holland
2. Perez
3.
4.
5.
Miguel De Los Santos is in the 3-5 range. I'm stuck on the last two. I suppose Juan Grullon could be up there.
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Dang, beat me to it
Was just typing that.
Who are the other two though?
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 8, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richard Bleier and Miguel De los Santos maybe?
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 8, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doh. Fogot Murphy, obviously.
3. Murphy
4. Miggy
5.
I don’t think anyone sees Jones as a starter anymore. Bleier would be a shocker that high. Corey Young is seen as a reliever by everyone. I guess I’ll have to go with Juan Grullon. Maybe he was at Instructs and MJH saw something there, thought I don’t recall anything written about Juan.
There’s Glenn Swanson, now that I think about it. I’d be hard pressed to believe he could be in the top 5.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Nov 8, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Juan Grullon = Geuris Grullon.
That kid could be on everybody’s radar in a season or two.
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=35338
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, thanks
Upon further review, I see that Geuris is talented and more projectable (6’5 LHP vs. 6’2 LHP), putting up encouraging numbers in the AZL.
While Juan is talented and projectable, putting up slightly better numbers in the DSL.
Is the AZL, as a rule, more challenging than the DSL?
Have you offered thoughts anywhere on the matter?
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Geuris pitch
and briefly mention him here: http://mvn.com/baseballtimeinarlington/2008/10/rangers-fall-instructional-league-report-part-i.html
Unfortunately, I haven’t seen Juan Grullon. Hopefully I will this season.
I think the AZL is more challenging.
by jparks77 on Nov 8, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would you be able to see Juan?
Is he coming stateside?
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beau Jones?
Although he has spent a lot of time as a reliever.
by Michael Cave on Nov 8, 2008 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does Matt Harrison
still qualify?
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by boomer1 on Nov 8, 2008 9:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Mike
Great job
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 8, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no room for Phillips in the Frisco rotation?
Which 5 do you see in front of him in AA?
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by tricer on Nov 8, 2008 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Feliz, Kiker, Schlact, Diamond, Poveda
Holland may be moving up to AAA. I think Main might even be ahead of Phillips for a promotion to Frisco early in 2009.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Nov 8, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd think that
Diamond would start in OKC
by Keynes on Nov 8, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my guess
I’m thinking that the Rangers — barring a trade — will be Millwood, Padilla, Harrison, and two of Nippert, Feldman & McCarthy (until his next injury or whatever it is that he has). Though I would like to see Feldman slide into the long / swingman role.
I’m guessing that OKC will probably be Holland, Hurley, Hunter, Ballard & Mathis.
Frisco’s rotation looks like it could be Feliz, Poveda, Hyatt, Schlact & Kiker… just a guess.
Bakersfield: Main, Beavan, Kennil Gomez, Tim Murphy and Phillips.
Clinton: Martin Perez, Wilfredo Boscan, Fabio Castillo, Carlos Pimentel & Neil Ramirez.
Spokane: Robbie Ross, Miguel de los Santos, maybe Juan Grullon, draft / draft / draft
by mjh on Nov 8, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Phillips is kinda a pet prospect of mine, and I was thinking he would definitely be in Frisco this season. I think he has a pretty good chance at an extended ML career w/ his decent FB, nice big curve, and deceptive delivery.
Homegrown Loogies are a pretty valuable thing.
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by tricer on Nov 8, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
forgot TD
he probably figures in the OKC mix
by mjh on Nov 8, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Kirkman
Is he a non-entity?
I don’t know jack about him from scouts’ perspectives, but I recall an injury history.
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=22897
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This topic popped up before...
I wrote my guesses, but Andy Seiler’s is probably better (reprinted and edited from here without permission):
Hickory: Wilfredo Boscan, Neil Ramirez, Richard Bleier, Kennil Gomez, Carlos Pimentel
Bakersfield: Michael Main, Blake Beavan, Tim Murphy, Zachary Phillips, Evan Reed
Frisco: Omar Poveda, Kasey Kiker, Derek Holland, Neftali Feliz, Michael Schlact
OKC: Thomas Diamond, Tommy Hunter, Eric Hurley, Michael Ballard, Doug Mathis
Andy didn’t give a Spokane starting rotation, but he had the following pitchers at Extended Spring Training: Robbie Ross, Wilmer Font, Joe Wieland, Martin Perez, Kyle Ocampo, Matt Thompson, Jake Brigham, Miguel de los Santos.
These projections are hard, and Jamey Newberg might have been right in not taking a guess at the Affiliates’ starting pitching rotations, as Spring Training should be telling. The number of quality candidates is impressive.
If you look at Mike Hindman’s list (above), which has five guys at every level except for Spokane, you don’t see Richard Bleier, Wilmer Font, Jacob Brigham, Geuris Grullon, Joe Wieland, Kyle “Will Someone Please Tell Me If There’s An Apostrophe In My Last Name?” OCampo, and Ryan Tatusko, along with Michael Kirkman.
Hindman’s list also has only Juan Grullon from the current Dominican Summer League. I’d be interested in seeing whether 2008 DSL Rangers Anyenil Mendoza, Kelvin De Leon, and Ezequiel Rijo have what it takes to be at Spokane in 2009 (Another DSL Ranger, Miguel Munoz, who had an impressive statistical line in 2008 has been suspended for 50 games after he tested positive for a banned substance. Although, it’s worth noting that the banned substance was Mephentermine, which isn’t exactly like using anabolic steroids). It’ll also be interesting to see what the Rangers have in store for Tae Ahn as well.
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by YourNameHere on Nov 8, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, but no thanks
As in thanks for your opinion and everything.
But please don’t bother linking me to Andy Seiler.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
close call
I like Mike Kirkman quite a bit, but he needs to have another big move forward this year to get back on the map. His mental meltdown in his second / third years in the system were horrible.
Mike’s a good kid and has pretty decent stuff. But a control lefty with a history of having his control leave him altogether has a giant mountain to climb to get back into the picture.
by mjh on Nov 8, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they send Ross to Spokane?
I figured he’d be on the Beavan/Kiker plan.
Start out in AZ/EST and then send him out to Clinton Hickory once he’s built up some arm strength at a controlled pace.
I know they kept NeRa on the “Spokane in his second year” plan but I always thought was because of all the guff about his mechanics and how they really wanted to make extra sure his kinks were ironed out before they threw him to the full season wolves.
And that inverted W really makes me sad. From little I understand about pitching mechanics, that’s a sign of impending arm woes.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 8, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spokane
It may be due to the lack of a spot in Hickory. With Perez, Boscan, NeRa, Bleier, Weiland, and possibly Kennil Gomez there may simply not be any room.
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by bigsteve on Nov 8, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Weiland is a forgotten man in MJH's roation schedule, but with this group it's almost unpossible to keep everyone in your head at one time.
Gomez just pitched a full season in A- with solid results so I have absolutely no desire to see him repeat the level.
You’re right it’s gonna be tough to find rotation spots down in Hickory, but who knows what’ll happen with health and guys getting moved to the ’pen or maybe tandem starting or something.
The bottom line is that if a highly touted bonus baby like Ross is deemed ready for full season ball then they’ll work him in, imo.
They’d be foolish not to.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 8, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez didn't finish a full season
He was shut down around July IIRC. I wouldn’t be suprised to see Gomez start in Hickory and stay there until June or so and then move up to Bakersfield. Ross start in EST and then when Gomez moves up he slides into that spot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 8, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan to me.
If only JD read LSB we’d be all set.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 8, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez should be in Bakersfield
I do think that Ross follows that path, but because of someone else moving out. Who knows, though. They have a lot of candidates for those spots.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 8, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On Kennil Gomez...
Why do you think Kennil Gomez will repeat A-Ball? I know that he was shut down with fatigue in July, but I don’t think that should be cause for having him at Hickory next year. I mean his numbers at Clinton were very good and I don’t see why he would have fatigue/injury issues in Bakersfield that could be avoided by having him pitch in Hickory.
The Rangers could hold Gomez back at Extended Spring Training if fatigue and injury are issues. But the only reason I see for him being in Hickory is because the performances or potential of the guys at Bakersfield place them ahead of Gomez.
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by YourNameHere on Nov 8, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez
Theres no doubt his performance merits a promotion. However there are a couple things I considered. First is space. Main, Beavan, Tim Murphy, Zach Phillips, Evan Reed, possibly Bleier all could be in the running for Bakersfield along with Gomez. While the EST thing is a possibility I doubt they would do it on a guy who broke through last year. I really just envision them having him start in Hickory and have a promotion outline in place for him no matter the results. Maybe 5-10 starts in Hickory then move up. Its just a gut feeling I have. But if he started in Bakersfield there would be nothing wrong with that either.
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by bigsteve on Nov 8, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Space is the only reason I can see them sending him back to Low A. He was about to be promoted anyway if he’d stayed healthy. He’s a slam dunk High A choice if you’re basing it just on merit and what’s best for his development.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 8, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my guess
at the system level starting rotations once everyone leaves extended-IP in 08 are in () FYI:
Rangers: Trade, Padilla, millwood, mcCarthy, Harrison(162)
okc: Hunter(175), Hurley(107), Gabbard, Diamond
5th starter/ relief: Schlact(150), Mendoza(99), Hyatt(140), Ballard (135), Murray, Mathis (all project as relievers)
AA: Holland (150), Feliz(127), Kiker(123), Poveda(91), Reed (130)
Relief: Phillips(145), tatusko(113), bannister(89), swanson (all project as relievers)
A+: Main(59), Castillo(90), Beavan(122), Murphy(50), Gomez(88), Kirkman(74) (6 man staff)
A: Brigham, Font, Ramirez(44), Pimentel(65), Boscan(70), Perez (62) (6man staff); Nevarez(43), Bleier(63) relief
SS: Wieland(44), Ocampo(52), Miggie(35), Ross, Henry(39), Grullon(24) (6 man staff)
AZL: Ahn, Thompson, A. Mendoza, K. de Leon, draft, draft (6 man staff)
Dsl 1: Rijo, Grullon, Sibid, Escobar, Batista, Mayora, (Munoz, post susp)
by Goyogringo on Nov 9, 2008 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My LH starters, top 7 1/2
There aren’t 10 LH prospects (out of DSL) that project as major league starters:
1. holland
2. perez
3. Kiker
4. murphy
5. ross
6. Miggie
7. Grullon
8.Kirkman (prob a reliever)
9. Bleier (reliever)
10 Phillips (reliever)
by Goyogringo on Nov 9, 2008 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Feldman
I would pencil him in as the 5th OKC starter unless he wins the long relief role from Nippert on the big club.
by Goyogringo on Nov 9, 2008 3:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman
Out of options. He’ll be on the ML team or the DL.
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by tricer on Nov 9, 2008 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was the case
So unless Nippert or Feldman win a starting role one is likley not with the team out of ST.
by Goyogringo on Nov 9, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holland...
I believe will start the year at OKC.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 9, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ITs possible
but I don’t see much difference in the competition level between AA and AAA and Holland had limited IP for AA last yr. If the rangers have 5 viable SP candidates at okc who might help the Rangers during the season, then it makes sense to start Holland at AA.
by Goyogringo on Nov 9, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why do they call it...
…a reverse W… when they could just as easily call it a M.. its just a font differnce isn’t it?
yes, these are the questions floating around my head…
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by ivysafety39 on Nov 8, 2008 10:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The reason they call
a reverse W is because on with a M your arms would be perpindicular to the ground. With a W there is a larger angle between your forearm and bicep.
by Michael Cave on Nov 8, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is my point in saying its just a font issue...
think of the univesity of minnesota’s M…
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by ivysafety39 on Nov 8, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that
Tim Murphy would appear to be ahead of Ross. I wonder if that’s Ross losing points for not being in teh system earlier, or if Murphy gaining points for having extra instruction.
Or if the inverted W and Ross’ stature peg him down that much.
by Keynes on Nov 8, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's way too early to read too much into that
Ross was the better prospect in the draft, but Murphy impressed people with his play in the summer. Strong statements about which one is better are too preliminary. They’re either going to be based on bias or guesswork, even if we’ve seen them each pitch in some capacity. Both guys look pretty good.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 8, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
that would be hella high though
above ross? kiker?
hmmm
by knockoutking on Nov 8, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ross this low
is a pretty huge kick in the balls, no matter who he sticks in the top 5. this is a kid the Rangers deemed a first round talent. i wish he would have been clearer about the “lukewarm” reports about him.
by clark on Nov 8, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
should be in the top 5 imo
ross should
by knockoutking on Nov 8, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I would rather rank him lower and watch him rise than overrank him and then be disapointed when he starts dropping in the ranks.
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by bigsteve on Nov 8, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds injury-risk related - the flying elbow and the sliders
I saw some pics of Neil Ramirez that looked similar to that Ross “inverted W” pic during the Spokane season. Nobody ever mentions any risk with NeRa though.
by shroomer on Nov 8, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too lazy to look it up...
but there was a whole thread about this when Eisenberg reviewed his MLB draft video earlier this season.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 8, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, but
I was talking about the LSB thread about Eisnberg’s article. Several opinions and analyses were thrown into the discussion, including some additional comments from Eisenberg. I believe this actually wound up as two threads here.
(Still too lazy, though.)
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 8, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
elevated a bit by the Perez hype
following in his footsteps, etc.
by shroomer on Nov 8, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but do they bring him to the states this year?
by knockoutking on Nov 8, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah - I'd think he'd be in the AZRL next summer
by shroomer on Nov 8, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well we do bring them
and i idddnt realixe pablo was at instructs
by knockoutking on Nov 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense in that Pablo was at Instructs.
It had to be a really young guy or a guy currently viewed as a reliever.
Still a big leap to have him ahead of Kiker, Ross.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Nov 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like I've asked this before...
Why can’t I place Pablo?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 8, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its alcides escobars younger brother? cousin?
and it comes from pablo escobar
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by knockoutking on Nov 8, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That nickname is boring to me, but apparenlty it has stuck.
Meh.
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Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 8, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1...
You could cut the meh-ness with a very, very dull knife.
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by YourNameHere on Nov 8, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no reason
to make phillips go back to bakersfield. he would be age appropriate for frisco and he completely his tour of duty in BAK. let him be the long man in frisco until the first pitching injury inevitably shifts hurley and hyatt up a notch and then he can join the frisco rotation.
by clark on Nov 8, 2008 11:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Breakout year for Phillips this year.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 8, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So you think he was just another
Bakersfield casualty?
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would stick with
reed for one more year. He has a higher ceiling than phillips as a starter.
by Goyogringo on Nov 8, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He was outstanding at the end of the year.
Last 6 games he had a 2.93 era. Last three he had a 0.52 era.
Only problem I still see is he is giving up around 3 to 4 walks every game. He’s not going have go Holland on us, but I’m expecting big things from him.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 8, 2008 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even though
he’s behind Michael F’ing Ballard, of all people?
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 8, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a travesty.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 8, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
“He’s not going have go Holland on us”? Good job, me. Showing off that UNT education.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. But in the mean time, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-8 baby!
by sprite on Nov 8, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're having
I’m Arbys!
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by Rodney on Nov 8, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heavens gate BBQ
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by boomer1 on Nov 8, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have a hot carl!
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 8, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Kiker not in the top 5?
1st rounder who was great in Clinton in 07 and had great peripherals for a 20 year old in Bakersfield. He mainly suffered from some bad luck in the Cal league and will do great in Frisco this year. Its crazy IMO to put him outside of the top 5 and personally, I’d have him at number 3 behind Holland and Perez.
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by Gdawg on Nov 8, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did you read the writeup?
While I agree he should probably be in the top 5, especailly since I can’t think of anyone besides Holland and Perez off the top of my head. But the writeup makes a good case for him being #6. His K rate dropped pretty significantly and if his stamina is really as bad as written then that is not a good sign. Hopefully the talk he had with Nolan will give him the kick in the ass to come to camp in shape and ready to go and he can get back to his 2007 numbers in Frisco. I think he is going to have a breakout season in Frisco this year and put himself in line for a rotation competition going into 2010.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 8, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read the write-up
but unless we are talking about huge uncoachability issues, which doesn’t appear to be the case, I don’t see more than a couple of lefty pitchers in the system who should be ranked ahead of Kiker.
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by Gdawg on Nov 8, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Even though Mike mentions mid-90s velocity, multiple reports have said Kiker was in the 87-90 range most of the year (including recently at instructs). Naturally, his shoulder was part of the problem, but there’s no guarantee that he’ll ever see mid-90s again.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 8, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His shoulder wasn't a problem.
All these people who say it was are just big fat liars. [/JParks]
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 8, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol i was waiting for it
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by knockoutking on Nov 8, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're half right.
It was a problem, but it wasn’t causing physical pain.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 8, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, I was just giving JParks a little guff is all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 8, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Attitude,
not showing up in ST ready to play? Just guessing, but that info is out there.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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