Who is your Texas Ranger prospect that is going to shoot up the prospect sheet next season?
by dustinvandeman
on Dec 1, 2008 11:10 AM CST
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mine is Tim Murphy. He will be in Frisco by the end of the year and will be in the 7-10 prospect range in our system by this time next season.
Joe Weiland also is of some interest to me as well. His size is projectable and he could end up becoming a solid prospect. Another guy I think us Ranger's fans are sleeping on is newly acquired Greg Golson. If Rudy can turn him around, which we've seen him do with players of MUCH less talent, we are looking at a top 10 top 15 athlete in all of the minors.
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I'll go with Wieland
but I also think Rangers fans will fall in love with Big Tom Diamond all over again.
by clark on
Dec 1, 2008 11:16 AM CST
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I dont know whats worse
delaying doing this post for the past two weeks, or having my number one and two guys off the board right off the bat. So now you know those two are going to be good, for he who chose Derek Holland has spoken.
How bout a Smoak and a pancake?
by rchawk12 on
Dec 1, 2008 6:30 PM CST
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who?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 1, 2008 12:06 PM CST
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Bermudez
Cuban pitcher who signed during the year and played in the DSL. He’s 23 and has a shot at the Hickory bullpen to start 2009. Reportedly throws some serious heat. Jayce Tingler said he got up to 96-97 here.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 1, 2008 12:13 PM CST
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How do you pronounce Reinier?
In my head it’s Rhyner but then I realize he’s dead and I get confused
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 1, 2008 12:25 PM CST
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anybody?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 1, 2008 5:07 PM CST
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Rusty Spanish Here
But I’m told by a Spanish speaker that it’s pronounced Rain-ee-yer with a rolled r at the end.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 1, 2008 5:47 PM CST
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I have never been able to roll my R's
Guess I’ll have to call him R- Berm or something
by BEW on
Dec 2, 2008 7:29 AM CST
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Carlos Pimentel for me.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
Dec 1, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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and Kyle Ocampo
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
Dec 1, 2008 12:35 PM CST
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Wieland and Font
I like the Pimentel choices though.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 1, 2008 11:21 AM CST
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+1
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 1, 2008 11:33 AM CST
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I like Derek Holland
oh wait… you mean NEXT YEAR?
oh, I have no idea.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 1, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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surprise...Kasey Kiker!
He’ll prove that people are overlooking the former 1st round pick.
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by ortonius on
Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM CST
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Call it a hunch...
I like Brennan Garr to make big strides. I’d like to see him get his WHIP back to the levels he had in Clinton and Bakersfield, and maybe he could find himself having real success in OKC by the end of the season.
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by ghtd36 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:28 AM CST
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Good Call
If he can overcome the shoulder problems that plagued him last year, he might jump Andrew Laughter in hype.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 1, 2008 11:31 AM CST
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Andrew Laughter has hype?
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 1, 2008 4:39 PM CST
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During the Season
There was a lot of focus on him when he went to Frisco. Jamey Newberg wrote about him and Josh Lueke a bit, emphasizing Laughter a lot more. People were really high on him with his success at AA.
And just because you match someone in hype doesn’t mean their hype is off the charts.
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Dec 1, 2008 4:46 PM CST
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I'll take Wieland
I like what I read when he was drafted and from what I can tell he’s done nothing but improve.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on
Dec 1, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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Neil Ramirez...
If his control improves at all, he’s gonna take off…
by N41D on
Dec 1, 2008 11:39 AM CST
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Geuris Grullon
He’s always gotten lots of ground balls and strikeouts. Now, if he improves his command…maybe we get the left-handed Boscan in Spokane this year.
by naropean on
Dec 1, 2008 11:43 AM CST
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I'll go with a combo of
Clark Murphy + Robbie Ross + Roark for the just drafted.
Kennil Gomez + Omar Poveda of the latinos
and
Renny Osuna + Chad Tracy of the drafted non-pitchers older guys
by blalock84 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM CST
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what's
Roark’s first name? totally forgot it, just now he put up some real nice numbers at Bakersfield
by blalock84 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM CST
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Osuna
the guy hit like .340 this year at 2B and no one even talks about him, kinda funny how deep we are that we don even mention a guy like that.
by blalock84 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:51 AM CST
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Age
He’ll be 24 in April and has no AA at-bats. That’s why he’s not as hyped.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 1, 2008 11:53 AM CST
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Tracy
its pretty much his last chance to really legitimize himself in the Rangers plans. The end of last season really showed that he can hit advanced pitching at a really good rate. He’s got the power/ on-base combo we all like, its just a matter of showing he can really put it together against upper level pitching.
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Dec 1, 2008 11:53 AM CST
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Check my sig
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 1, 2008 11:50 AM CST
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thats a good pick
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mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on
Dec 1, 2008 1:17 PM CST
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I am going to say
that by this time next year Vallejo will be getting some serious national love at SS.
by laxtonto on
Dec 1, 2008 12:00 PM CST
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i agree on this
he could be a nice chip to use in a trade for a pitcher, if our middle infield is already err…solidified.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on
Dec 1, 2008 6:21 PM CST
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Neil Ram
Curve ball is a plus plus pitch in my opinion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
by mchang4 on
Dec 1, 2008 12:01 PM CST
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Zachary Phillips.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on
Dec 1, 2008 12:01 PM CST
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my bet is that Reed
finishes the year in the bullpen
by Goyogringo on
Dec 1, 2008 2:48 PM CST
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yes
I bet he does well next year…in the bullpen.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 1, 2008 2:47 PM CST
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Tim Murphy
But I like Kasey Kiker and Diamond to reemerge bigtime… especially Kiker, think he shows up in shape and handles AA steadily after leaving the Cal league
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on
Dec 1, 2008 12:08 PM CST
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Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 1, 2008 12:09 PM CST
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Thank you thank you thank you!!
We will both watch as he succeeds at another level. Velo is going up!!
by Michael Cave on
Dec 1, 2008 1:21 PM CST
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Beaven and Kiker are two I'm expecting great years from
but for my pick, I think I’ll go with David Paisano.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 1, 2008 1:19 PM CST
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this is gonna sound stupid but Andrus
i know he has always been thought of highly but i think this is the season he blows up and hit for a ton in AAA and with a solid obp. MY goes down with an injury and Andrus is our starting half the season in texas.
im still going with Font as my pick for exploding back on the scene but i could see andrus as an exploding prospect too
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on
Dec 1, 2008 1:30 PM CST
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yeah Andrus is a good choice
A big year from him and you’re talking about a top 10 prospect in baseball.
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by tricer on
Dec 1, 2008 7:36 PM CST
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Robbie Ross
As of this post, one guy has mentioned Ross. Did mjh’s inverted W picture put people off that much?
I think it’ll be Ross, NRamirez and Beltre.
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Dec 1, 2008 2:07 PM CST
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Concur...
on Ross.
If I had to pick one guy right now it would be him.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Dec 1, 2008 10:43 PM CST
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Vallejo
Given the community rakings, he looks the most locally underrated.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on
Dec 1, 2008 2:10 PM CST
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Hey
I know some can be a little critical, but let’s not suggest that he’s being tortured. :)
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 1, 2008 2:27 PM CST
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Yeah
save the rakings for Hicks.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 1, 2008 4:42 PM CST
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I suspect you know
I left out an “n” ….. rankings. But that’s comical, great catch.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on
Dec 1, 2008 5:17 PM CST
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Font
will get the talk that Perez is now at this time next year. By that time everyone in baseball will be talking about the Rangers’ Latin American kids.
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by t ball on
Dec 1, 2008 2:15 PM CST
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Wilmer: he'll have chunks of all those other guys in his stool
Wilmer in 09 = mushroom cloud-layin muthafucka…
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on
Dec 1, 2008 2:27 PM CST
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+1 for SNL subref
What says you Sign-Aid O’connor…
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Dec 1, 2008 4:17 PM CST
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Backstory on that snl subref
Evidently, Franken and some other staff scribe wrote that line, but were uncharacteristically at a loss for many months to come up with the perfect character to throw it down.
Eventually, for those that don’t know, the choice became obvious: the genius that was Phil Hartman’s Frank Sinatra.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
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Dec 1, 2008 5:15 PM CST
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Who then proceeded
to follow it with the Uncle Fester and Sinbad lines, great skit.
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by t ball on
Dec 1, 2008 7:56 PM CST
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Some of the young 'uns
on the site probably dont even know that Al Franken used to be funny. Take my word for it. At one time he actually was funny. Good times
by BEW on
Dec 2, 2008 7:37 AM CST
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Wow too many too count
I would say that anyone in the top 30 shouldnt be on here as it would be no surprise if they had a breakout season. To make it more interesting, which players not on the top 30 will have a breakout season next year?
my guesses:
Brigham, Miggie, Kirkman, Young
Bianucci, Santos, C. Murphy, Butler
DSL to Rookie/A Ball guys:
Jgrullon, Bermudez
Polanco, Pimentel, Tellis
by Goyogringo on
Dec 1, 2008 3:02 PM CST
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Agree on Miguel De Los Santos...
Miguel De Los Santos missed almost all of 2007 with injuries, but in 34.2 innings this year in the Arizona League he struck out 54 batters. That’s 14 K/9 IP.
Kyle O’Campo could also impress this year. O’Campo got a $250K bonus as a 13th round pick in 2007 (slot was about $40K) and he played pretty well in the AZL as well. He has a 90-93 MPH fastball that supposedly has good life along with a very promising slider. I’ve also read that he’s working on a curveball and a changeup.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, huh? Didn't you just say that suicide doesn't solve anybody's problems?
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Dec 1, 2008 8:14 PM CST
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He throws a plus curve already
not a slider…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 1, 2008 11:56 PM CST
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Are you sure?
When Kyle O’Campo was drafted, he told Jason Cole at Scout.com that, besides his fastball, his slider was his most advanced pitch. Cole also did the Rangers Top 50 Prospects this year for Scout.com, where he wrote that O’Campo’s slider showed “definite plus potential,” and that he was working to develop a curveball and a changeup. I think Mike Hindman did a piece that said O’Campo has a curveball, not a slider, and that this was consistent with the Rangers’ philosophy. I don’t know for sure either way.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, huh? Didn't you just say that suicide doesn't solve anybody's problems?
by YourNameHere on
Dec 2, 2008 12:43 AM CST
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I was basing it on what MJH said
But PG’s coverage of one of the showcases suggests that he has always thrown a curve that sometimes looks like a slider. So maybe that is where the confusion lies…
http://www.perfectgame.org/stories/07_03_14_updating_the_prospects_from_national/
Ocampo appeared to have more than one type of breaking ball, but in retrospect, all were likley curveballs, ranging from 70-79 mph with plus spin and hard downward bite. The thing that made all of them seem to be curveballs was that the shape did not really change, no matter the velocity.
Here is PG’s draft profile:
Pitching – over the top slot, very quick loose arm, deep extension backside, cranks it up, free and easy delivery, FB very lively at plate, good late life, plus spin on breaking ball, ranged CB velocity, all appeared to be CBs, threw some very hard, good down bite, shape stayed pretty consistent, good feel of CU, good fade action.
Here is BA’s draft profile
He throws both a slider and a curveball, and scouts like the slider a bit better at present, as he’s shown a feel for throwing it for strikes or burying it out of the zone.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 2, 2008 1:49 AM CST
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I feel like our '08 draft pitchers have the best chance
Ross will have a good year, and will jump from the 15-20 range of top prospect in our system to top 10
Joe Weiland will establish himself as a solid prospect and land in the top 20 of our prospects.
And I somehow feel that Vallejo might just be this close to getting to the big league by the end of the year….
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on
Dec 1, 2008 3:13 PM CST
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Font
EOM
"I'm not being condescending, I'm too busy thinking about far more important things you wouldn't understand." - Jimmy Carr
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Dec 1, 2008 3:15 PM CST
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Font
Though I don’t think he should qualify, I think everyone here expects a healthy Font to impress. Reed was my guy last year and that didn’t really work out but I’ll go with Pimentel this time.
by groundingout on
Dec 1, 2008 3:20 PM CST
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Kyle O Campo
And for a position player, I’ll take Mitch Moreland.
by Schrute Farms on
Dec 1, 2008 3:52 PM CST
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Gomez and Weiland
are the more obvious choices.
I’ve also got Kirkman and Ben Henry as more darkhorses to put up good numbers.
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Dec 1, 2008 4:13 PM CST
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Henry
I put Bobby Wilkins in the same category as Henry. If Wilkins is fully healthy, he could improve drastically.
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Dec 1, 2008 4:15 PM CST
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Wilkins has sucked for 2 years
are you saying it was because he has been injured (without the need for surgery)? Henry seems a far more promising (bullpen) prospect.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 1, 2008 4:19 PM CST
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Different Issues
Henry and Wilkins have different issues. Henry’s is control. Wilkins’ is more about pitchability and stuff. Both still have decent potential, and Wilkins might surprise some people.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 1, 2008 4:24 PM CST
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ok
Wilkins has the 6th rd bust label in my book. As for pitchability, that is a polite way of saying he still can’t spin a breaking ball at age 20…
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Dec 1, 2008 4:30 PM CST
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Wilkins
There’s no doubt he’s been a bust to this point. However, you can’t write him off quite yet. Most of his issues are against lefties, and his August was fairly impressive. Also, he just turned 19 on August 20, so he’s still very young.
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Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM CST
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6th Round Bust?
I got to tell you that most sixth rounders don’t make the Major Leagues at all. Robert Wilkins’s overall numbers this year weren’t all that bad— it would have been better if he wasn’t coming out of the bullpen— but his splits against lefthanders were obscene. Just a mild adjustment on that front could cause a pretty big upswing for him.
As far as making the major leagues, like I said, sixth rounders more often then not don’t make it. Richard Bleier was this year’s sixth round choice, and there’s almost no one in the system that Bleier is that much more highly ranked then. As you know, the Rangers are loaded on pitching prospects, and with 30+ pitchers currently ranked ahead of him, the odds are really against almost anyone drafted where Wilkins was. After all, minor league systems tend to undergo close to 100% turnover about every six years (corresponds pretty closely to six year free agency). And on top of the guys currently in the system, there could be several “graduates” of the system in the next six years who haven’t yet become professionals.
But it’s still pretty hard to label a guy who’s a sixth rounder a bust until he’s been completely ruled out. And then consider what’s a reasonable expectation for a sixth rounder anyways.
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Dec 1, 2008 8:38 PM CST
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you're dead wrong
It depends on the position. The easiest way to make it to the majors is as a relief pitcher. Most of those are drafted as relief pitchers (not starters) after round 10. You will find a fairly even distribution of relief pitchers drafted in rounds 11-20 and 21-30 who make it to the bigs. Hitters are second in line and Starting pitchers are dead last.
Major league caliber starters rarely emerge when drafted after the 5th round or who sign for less than 5th round money (inlcuding intl. free agents). As for wilkins (and thompson for that matter), I can see no justification for the rangers selecting these guys(“projected” starters) in that range as they have a snowballs chance in hell to make it as starters. Oakland makes a point to draft college players in this range and I am in total agreement with this strategy. However, they could make it as relievers down the road but a relievers value lies post 10th unless he profiles as an elite closer so these are wasted picks in my estimation.As for hitters, a much higher percentage of hitters (Jrs) are successful in the 6-10 range so a blanket statement like yours really holds no weight.
As a general rule, a JR drafted in the top 15 picks should be expected to make it to AA and have some success. That is a reasonable expectation. If you don’t make it to AA or are a AA bust, then I reserve the right to call you a bust.
More to the point on wilkins, he can be considered a bust in numerous ways: 1. by (my) definition (if he was drafted as a starter) – starters have little chance to succeed when fifth round money or better is not involved; 2. If he can’t succeed in AZL 2 yrs in a row without any appreciable increase in IP or results. 3. down the line when he fails to make it to or out of Clinton (my predicton).
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Dec 2, 2008 1:01 AM CST
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Give me the big Auburn kid
Bianucci
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Dec 1, 2008 5:32 PM CST
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Ooooo … good one. I worry about a loss of power due to the injury tho.
Fingers crossed.
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Dec 1, 2008 6:05 PM CST
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Injury?
What did I miss?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Dec 1, 2008 7:50 PM CST
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Broken Hand
In the outfield in Spokane at the end of August.
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Dec 1, 2008 7:55 PM CST
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Ahh must have missed that one
Doesn’t change my mind though. I think he will come back strong. I don’t have my minor league rosters handy right now but I would guess if he starts in Hickory he won’t stay there long being a college draftee. He should spend most of the year in Bakersfield and I think he will put up some great numbers.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Dec 1, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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Miguel
Alfonzo
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 1, 2008 6:27 PM CST
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Any of our prospect guru's have thoughts or feelings on him?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 1, 2008 9:23 PM CST
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I think that he
was promoted to quickly and not demoted quickly enough as he floundered all year…
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Dec 2, 2008 12:33 AM CST
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Whittleman
I’m changing my pick to Whittleman. I say he breaks out in Frisco to a line of .275/.390/.485.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 2, 2008 1:16 AM CST
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Blake Beavan
I really think that Beavan is going to make a huge leap. His velocity will make it back. With his velocity and control he could really step up.
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Dec 1, 2008 6:49 PM CST
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I feel like I'm a week late for Thanksgiving and the carcass is picked clean
I’ll take Poveda, because he’s one guy that already has a nice compliment of secondary stuff and a great frame. If somebody slips him some of what Holland was drinking in 08, then he could move up quick.
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Dec 1, 2008 7:33 PM CST
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Maximiliano
He’s gonna do to OKC what Cruz did last year. If he’s gone by Spring training or on the ML roster I’ll pick Boscan as my Prospect-to-go-nuts alternate
What's the rumpus?
by Hypo-Luxa on
Dec 1, 2008 8:58 PM CST
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I think I'll predict
Yoon-Hee Nam and Glenn Swanson to have break out years. They are flying completely under the radar. Similar to where Holland was just a short while ago.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
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Dec 1, 2008 9:57 PM CST
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After dropping slightly due to the influx of talent...
I’m going with Kasey Kiker.
Already talented, but I think he really shines this year and makes his way into the top 5.
by cmkelly29 on
Dec 2, 2008 7:38 AM CST
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