Who would have thought... Few offered Arbitration

by laxtonto on Dec 1, 2008 8:18 PM CST Comment 69 comments

It looks like the impending economic hardship has got all the owners spooked.

Ivan Rodriguez (37) - Type B, not offered arb

Gregg Zaun (38) - Type B, not offered arb

Jeff Kent (41) - Type B, not offered arb

Edgar Renteria (33) - Type A, not offered arb

Bobby Abreu (35) - Type A, not offered arb

Braden Looper (34) - Type B, not offered arb

Greg Maddux (43) - Type B, not offered arb

Brad Penny (31) - Type B, not offered arb

Andy Pettitte (37) - Type A, not offered arb

Eric Gagne (33) - Type B, not offered arb

Trevor Hoffman (41) - Type A, not offered arb

Jason Isringhausen (36) - Type B, not offered arb

Kerry Wood (32) - Type A, not offered arb

Joe Beimel (32) - Type B, not offered arb

Bob Howry (35) - Type A, not offered arb

Russ Springer (40) - Type A, not offered arb

Moises Alou (42) - Type B, not offered arb

Garret Anderson (37) - Type B, not offered arb

Adam Dunn (29) - Type A, not offered arb

Frank Thomas (41) - Type B, not offered arb

Randy Johnson (45) - Type B, not offered ar

bJohn Smoltz (42) - Type B, not offered arb

Luis Ayala (31) - Type B, not offered arb

Joe Beimel (32) - Type B, not offered arb

Alan Embree (39) - Type B, not offered arb

Bob Howry (35) - Type A, not offered arb

Russ Springer (40) - Type A, not offered arb

Pat Burrell (32) - Type A, not offered arb

Jamie Moyer (46) - Type A, not offered arb

Paul Lo Duca (37) - Type B, not offered arb

Luis Gonzalez (41) - Type B, not offered arb

Arthur Rhodes (39) - Type B, not offered arb

Rudy Seanez (40) - Type B, not offered arb

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This could be a sign

that this will be a disappointing offseason for free agents (especially besides the big three – CC, Manny, and Tex).

by Randy Richardson on Dec 1, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This all makes me think that LAA is going to get one of the big FAs, sort of like when they got Vlad during the last baseball recession.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 1, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Let them

dig themselves into a deeper hole… They have been known to give terrible contracts to terrible players in recent years…

Hope they do that to Sheets this year.

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by miles on Dec 1, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A deeper hole of 5 more years of playoffs

by BuckyB on Dec 1, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There

not in exactly the best division…. And they don’t really make it that far in the playoffs when they do make it.

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by miles on Dec 1, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 2, 2008 4:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well that failed

imagine a pic of their world series trophy.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL - Even a PICTURE of a World Series trophy won't show up....

on Rangers board. Gawd karma sucks….

by bking on Dec 2, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO!!!

aww, I made myself sad.

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Dec 2, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not many suprises there

Most of those guys are either well past their primes coming off huge contracts or huge injury risks who would get big raises in arbitration

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yeah

seems like ages would tell the story.

and milton would definitely be an outlier in that list, though that move would be defensible

Hmm…I guess Wood and Penny are a little strange and Milton isn’t far off those comps.

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by ab03 on Dec 1, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Milton

Well he is still only gonna be 31 next year and injury history aside if he can go to an AL club and strictly DH he is a very valuable player.

Wood and Penny fall under the injury thing. Wood because he had a great year last year and is in line for a huge raise but still has the injury history

Penny more because he made he made 11 million last year and didn’t crack 100 innings.

Arbitration means the player will make at least close to or more than he made previously. So for a guy like Penny who would get at least 10 mil in arbitration it probably isn’t worth it.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know that Yankees fans

are surprised on Abreu and Cards fans are Looper.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 1, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats a tricky one for sure. I can see where the Cards may be worried. Until two years ago he was a reliever and then made the switch to starter and the last two years has dramatically increased the innings he has put on his arm. At 34 its not like hes a spring chicken anymore and they could be erring on the side of caution.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

it’s just that it’s only one year.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 1, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would think if he was a type A they would have offered it

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Abreu is so bad defensively in the OF I don't think any NL teams are showing much interest.

And the DH market is always limited.

Even so, you’re right, it is a bit surprising.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 2, 2008 3:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley offered arbitration.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/rangers-offer-salary-arbitration-to-milt.html

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Dec 1, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Phew

Although I’m still completely pissed about the Elias system which somehow has Franchise Face as one of the top players in baseball and a guy who was arguably the most effective hitter in the AL as a type B.

by Conjunction on Dec 1, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm curious

what percentage of team’s revenue comes from ticket sales, parking, concessions, etc? My guess is that it is a fairly small slice of the pie compared to the TV deals, etc which are guaranteed.

I think the impact of the current economic climate would have relatively little affect on most team’s bottom line. My guess is that some owners are trying to use this as an excuse to get spending under control.

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by tricer on Dec 1, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Probably

Most of these owners also aren’t that affected by losses with their baseball teams. What’s a few million dollars gone when you are talking about guys worth a billion.

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Add Dunn

to the least of players not offered arbitration.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Dec 1, 2008 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This seems like good news

All of those guy who didn’t get offered arb means many less type A’s and Bradley was a high B so not sure if any of those B’s were ahead of him but if he signs elsewhere then that comp pick received will be higher.

by groundingout on Dec 1, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

good point.

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So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
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by tyd3311 on Dec 1, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That doesn't matter

Just because a type A doesn’t get offered doesn’t mean the next type B moves up. Bradleys a type B no matter what

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't it reduce

the number of picks in front of the “B” pick?

by Randy Richardson on Dec 1, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you talking about in the draft?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's what he meant.

by tyd3311 on Dec 1, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about that part

I was thinking he thought that if a type A didn’t get offered arbitration then the highest ranking type B would become a type A and so on and so on.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought the original

comment was referring to the draft. If he was, I think the thought was that there are probably five or so picks taken off the board in front Bradley’s compensation pick.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 1, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Was indeed referring to the draft

And yes, having less type A’s around means that there are potentially fewer type A sandwich comp picks for Bradley’s comp pick to be behind.

by groundingout on Dec 1, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You missed another positive

With fewer Type As & Bs out there Bradley is less attractive now because he will cost his team a pick and money where these other good FAs will only cost money.

That means he might be less likely to sign elsewhere. It should also mean his monetary value has been reduced. Those things could translate to the Rangers being more likely to sign him and possibly for less money.

Not realted to Bradley, but with this many free agents being truly free the monetary value of all FAs might be reduced some. Who knows maybe this could lead to further arb els in the future not being offered and creating an interesting trend.

by gr7070 on Dec 2, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn't cost his team a pick

A type B doesn’t cost a team a pick to sign. The team that loses him gets a pick but the signing team doesn’t have to forfeit a pick. Thats only type A FAs that cost draft picks

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still can't believe that Cat was type A before falling off his cliff.

JD’s only unconscionable move, imo.

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Dec 2, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ahhhh yes

Forgot aobut that. That was in the change to arb a couple off-seasons ago wasn’t it.

by gr7070 on Dec 2, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Bradley accepts Arb

they probably settle somewhere in the neighborhood of $9-10m? Guessing here.

If that’s the case, would anyone offer him 2/$15m instead of a 1-year deal? And would he take it?

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 2, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

TOR or bust

I would think.

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by Rodney on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm surprised about Hoffman

With the development centric management, and the PR disaster of basicaly saying screw you to him, the Padres could have saved some face by offering him arb – “hey, we gave him a chance to come back” they could say. I doubt Hoffman would have taken it, after the words supposedly said between him and the F.O.

by JBImaknee on Dec 1, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hoffman

You think at his age he would turn down a guaranteed 8 million dollars if it was offered?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 1, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he would've accepted.

And it’s not like they could’ve traded him if he did. He’s a 10-5 guy.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Dec 2, 2008 3:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s the damn economy, I tell you. Someone should come up with a “recession-proof” thread about the economy.

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Dec 1, 2008 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'll start one...

entitled fuck Citigroup.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 1, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I sat next to a guy who works for AIG at a bar yesterday.

He told me that because I graduated with an Arts degree, my worldview is “make-believe.”

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 1, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

I hear a lot of that “your degree means nothing” shit too.

Tell him to kiss your ass. At least you don’t have to sell insurance for a living.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 1, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't understand. He knew everything.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 1, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

salesman + a few drinks = genius

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 1, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Coming from an AIG

guy that’s a bit ironic these days.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 2, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

only thing ive found recession proof is toilet paper company stocks...

people gotta shit no matter what

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 1, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Merry Christmas, Kimberly Clark.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 1, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've often joked about buying stock in that company

I’ve had allergies all my life and have used enough tissues that buying stock in the company that makes Kleenex seems like a good idea.

by Inkara1 on Dec 2, 2008 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Magnolia leaves

are a close substitute, imo.

Bring up Matt West '09

by Chase Irwin on Dec 2, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Vices are always

recession proof. If people are happy, they drink to celebrate. If people are sad, they drink to forget.

Moral: Always drink, and you’ll always be right!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 2, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

There's a lot of crusty people on this list.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 1, 2008 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hey hey kids!

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by lonestarJon on Dec 2, 2008 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Rangers

should make a run at Dunn

by Beasticon on Dec 2, 2008 12:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Why?

they’ve got enough LH hitters already.

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Dec 2, 2008 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And batters that can't field

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 2, 2008 1:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A run at Dunn?

Would that be fun in the sun? With a gun and a bun that weighs a ton like your son?

by Inkara1 on Dec 2, 2008 2:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Happy swingin' time

he’d have here.

There’d be no logic in signing him though.

by jonthefon on Dec 2, 2008 3:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Our lineup is already full

of LH DH types.

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by DJCahill on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean Blalock?

I don’t really consider Cat a type of anything.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Dec 2, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Until we release him

he is kind of gumming up the roster, and he’s a type of something.

But honestly, Blalock is enough reason not to get Dunn. Either you get Dunn, or you get Blalock. Having both is kind of silly.

Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.

"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky

by DJCahill on Dec 2, 2008 8:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I do not understand

Burrell and Abreu…

Those guys aren’t going to get multiyear offers?

Both those pretty much astonish me.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 2, 2008 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Show me a list of who WAS offered arbitration

Then we’ll see better if this list makes sense. There’s about 5 names on the above list that dumbfound me. I guess a lot of execs are thinking guys will take a 1 year deal in hopes of getting long-term stuff a year from now.

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by hubcityraider on Dec 2, 2008 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ok.

The 24 free agents who were offered salary arbitration Monday by their former teams. Players have until Sunday to accept:

AMERICAN LEAGUE

BOSTON (2) — Paul Byrd, rhp; Jason Varitek, c.

CHICAGO (1) — Orlando Cabrera, ss.

KANSAS CITY (1) — Mark Grudzielanek, 2b.

LOS ANGELES (4) — Jon Garland, rhp; Darren Oliver, lhp; Francisco Rodriguez, rhp; Mark Teixeira, 1b.

MINNESOTA (1) — Dennys Reyes, lhp.

SEATTLE (1) — Raul Ibanez, of.

TEXAS (1) — Milton Bradley, dh.

TORONTO (1) — A.J. Burnett, rhp.

—-

NATIONAL LEAGUE

ARIZONA (3) — Juan Cruz, rhp; Orlando Hudson, 2b; Brandon Lyon, rhp.

CINCINNATI (1) — David Weathers, rhp.

COLORADO (1) — Brian Fuentes, lhp.

LOS ANGELES (3) — Casey Blake, 3b; Derek Lowe, rhp; Manny Ramirez, of.

MILWAUKEE (3) — CC Sabathia, lhp; Ben Sheets, rhp; Brian Shouse, lhp.

NEW YORK (1) — Oliver Perez, lhp.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 2, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Darren Oliver???

I guess offering a postage stamp and having to give up a cup of coffee is worth an arb offer… I guess.

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by eglooney on Dec 2, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What

Its a smart move. Oliver is a guy they probably want to keep. The arbitration tag will keep alot of teams away. Hes been a pretty good reliever for them. Smart move by the Angels. Now Jon Garland on the other hand is a little different. They must be willing to pay his 11+ million he would get in arbitration if they tagged him.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

damn there’s a lot of free agents this year.

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by hubcityraider on Dec 2, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs