LSB Community Prospect Project: #23
by thedirkatron
on Dec 10, 2008 8:20 AM CST
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After 222 votes, Joe Wieland has won the right to be called the LSB Community #22 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
17. RHP, Wilmer Font
18. RHP, Omar Poveda
19. LHP, Robbie Ross
20. RHP, Tommy Hunter
21. RHP, Thomas Diamond
22. RHP, Joe Wieland
Time to move on to the vote for #23.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
- Corner Infielders
- Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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at 4:04 pm. Wow, this is tight. What time do the polls close Dirkatron?
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 10, 2008 4:04 PM CST
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44-44
1617.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on
Dec 10, 2008 4:19 PM CST
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45-44 @ 5 pm y'all's time.
and the MURPH has taken the lead!
by JBImaknee on
Dec 10, 2008 4:58 PM CST
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56-55 GG @ 11:31 CST
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 10, 2008 11:31 PM CST
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In the morning whenever I first get a chance to check the computer.
Usually between 8 and 10, Eastern.
I try to leave ’em up at least 24 hours.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 5:00 PM CST
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The holiday season is always a great time for some Lemon.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 8:22 AM CST
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Could Wilmer Font
Be this year’s Neftali Feliz or Derrick Holland? This guy tunes it right up there with both those guys. Could we see him in the majors next to Feliz and Holland in a rotation in 2012, or is he just not progressing like they want him to?
by texaschief on
Dec 10, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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Could you imagine
a rotation with:
Feliz
Holland
Buchholz
Main
Font
OMG!!!!
by texaschief on
Dec 10, 2008 9:09 AM CST
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That's some serious heat
And its concept probably gives Nolan wet dreams.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on
Dec 10, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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hell
gives me wet dreams lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:41 AM CST
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Dont needs to stay healthy, not be pronounced "probably-dead" by Jason Parks for an entire season, and maybe throw some full season innings.
He does those three things and maybe I might starting getting all wet for him.
Until then?
There’s a little moisture, but not enough to get excited about.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 10:11 AM CST
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ha
Dont
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 10, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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Heh. Oops. I love typos. Rodney's gonna laugh for three weeks at that one :)
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 10:21 AM CST
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I only point out typos
as yet another way to bash seth/steal home/save us.
K? Good.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on
Dec 10, 2008 10:36 AM CST
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Yeah, that's who I voted for
Not.
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on
Dec 10, 2008 12:47 PM CST
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Tim Murphy
then I don’t know.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 10, 2008 8:24 AM CST
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after murphy
it should probably be kennil, golson, and lemon in some order. then, the next tier is probably Clark Murphy, Christian Santana and Carlos Pimentel. then, perhaps a fight between matt west and beau jones for the final spot in the top thirty. just so much depth here, and i am probably grossly discounting some of the younger LA kids because I just don’t know enough about them.
by clark on
Dec 10, 2008 8:33 AM CST
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Don't forget Madrigal
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 8:34 AM CST
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damn
you’re right. he is probably in that next tier with kennil and golson. looks like jones and west have to fight it out for the right to be the 31st best rangers prospect.
by clark on
Dec 10, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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I can't believe you're not more on board with Clark Murphy.
If his name was TheDirkatron Murphy I’d have been voting for him since, like, the second vote or something.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:03 AM CST
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where do you have C-murph on your rankings?
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 9:22 AM CST
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Ealy 20's.
I like him a lot.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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well
it has taken a lot of self discipline to not make my signature “Clark Murphy is the next Lars Anderson.”
by clark on
Dec 10, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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If you saw a picture of Clark Murphy getting hitting advice from Will Clark, would just get naked and run around in circles outside until your heart exploded from the awesomeness, or what?
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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gomez i think is gonna have a big breakout year next year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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I think people should define break-out year
It’s become a bit cliche. Gomez had a break-out year this year even considering his injury. What will his break-out year look like next year? Just having a full season of comparable stuff (sub 3 era in first half) doesn’t really count in my estimation….
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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sorry,
will jump up the prospect chart and become a top 10 or 12 guy even in our deep system lol
your 100% right, breakout is the wrong word!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 12:55 PM CST
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the (T)Murphinator again for me again too
Then Ocampo hands down followed by strop, madrigal, golson, gomez, santana and castillo to round my 30 out. Strop would be mid-teens if not for his injury…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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Tim Murphy
again.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on
Dec 10, 2008 8:25 AM CST
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Yay, Joe finally got on
Tim Murphy for me this time – and I bet he goes in one shot.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 8:28 AM CST
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My vote
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 10, 2008 8:32 AM CST
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kenny g?
this guy lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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Doesn't look nearly as small
as some people describe him.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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Those are lifesize
photos, though.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 10, 2008 1:25 PM CST
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Hey Dirk
Can we get Macumba De Los Santos on sometime in the next three votes?
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 8:36 AM CST
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Okay.
BTW, is it Macumba de los Santos, or just Macumba? I thought Macumba was a whole nickname, a la Nene or Madonna or Cher, as a opposed to a nick-first-name, a la “Bam” Morris or “Ironhead” Hawyard.
What’s the official word here?
Whip out that completely wireless cellular telephone of yours and make some calls, Jason A. Parks.
I have to know.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 8:49 AM CST
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Macumba is a nickname I think
If you go back to MJH’s catcher previews, he says it means “black magic” in Venezuelan.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 8:52 AM CST
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Confirmation
I got off my ass and looked, and MJH has him listed as Leonel “Macumba” de los Santos.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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I know it's a nickname, but is it a replace-the-whole-name kind of a nickname or just a nick-first-name?
Like you’ll sometimes see Alex “A-Rod” Rodriguez, but no one calls him A-Rod Rodriguez.
Or maybe it’s a dual use kind of nickname, like Pudge. You could call him simply Pudge, or you could say Pudge Rodriguez, and both were technically correct.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:00 AM CST
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I think
It’s the last of those options you just mentioned.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 9:10 AM CST
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Replace-the-whole-name kind
That’s the official word.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 10, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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hey dirk
i vote you just put him on the poll as
C, “Macumba”
anyway why is telis on here and macumba not?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:45 AM CST
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I dunno. Either someone asked for him or I was looking to add someone and his name popped in my head.
I can’t remember.
It’s no scientific or anything.
Someone requests a (reasonable) player, I put him on.
If someone pops in my head as someone who might need to be on there, I put him on.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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I've been hinting at Macumba
For some time now. If it ever comes down to Macumba vs. Telis vs. Santana I think the phsycological effect of Santana and Telis being on there longer than Macumba could shift a few things.
Of course the likelihood of that happening is like zero point zero zero two, so take that for what it’s worth…
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Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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heh
theres a lot of ppl who like him, but i think hes 5’8" and only played in the DSL
i move to replace him with de los santos in the next poll
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 12:56 PM CST
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Voted T-Murph
Would love to be able to vote for Strop sometime in the late 20’s but I fear that would be a wasted vote due to his being taken in Friday’s Rule 5.
by bioaggie on
Dec 10, 2008 8:37 AM CST
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vote for him
just so you can so I told you so…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 9:14 AM CST
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maddog
again, the guy with ML success wins out for me. How can he not be a top 20….top 25 guy in our system?
"That one is headed for the moon!" - All Star Derby
by m_nieft on
Dec 10, 2008 8:45 AM CST
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i have him at ~24/25
have to think long and hard about him vs gomez
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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So how deep are you going with these? Top 30?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Dec 10, 2008 8:52 AM CST
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Yes.
Followed by a wrap up where I highly encourage people to post their own personal top 30’s or 40’s or 72’s or whatever.
Plus we’ll maybe have something this year to establish a ranking for Moscoso and maybe anyone else we acquire in between now and when we finish with the project.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:02 AM CST
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Maybe?
Don’t let me down DT. I’ve bumped Moscoso up to about 15 (from 19) the more I thought about the kid with the assumption that he is a starter with a good shoulder;
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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Heh. Okay. An official add-on poll will be done.
I swear on Brian Thomas’ grave.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:33 AM CST
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You must be pretty used to answering this question, by now.
So how deep are you going?
I’ll assume that’s rhetorical.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 10, 2008 9:34 AM CST
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heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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I usually answer "15-to-19 inches, or until I feel like I'm hitting lung" when asked that question, but this is a PG Rangers blog so I didn't go there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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lets go to 50!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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Overrating Pitchers
This list is simply getting ridiculous! Only three of the last fifteen have been position players.
Rangeressary
"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton
by rangeressary on
Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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which hitters would you overrate
to place them in the top 30?
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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hitters
there arent really any hitters i’d rank higher.
you could make an argument for lemon,whittleman and west but i still like guys like wieland and murphy better
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by rentz on
Dec 10, 2008 9:34 AM CST
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there is an arguement for ’shed (golson) in the 20-25 range
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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Golson
I’m not impressed with him enough as a hitter to even really consider him that high
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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+1
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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Our organization is week when it comes to hitters
I think it actually needs some to step up. You really think a Whittleman or Lemon deserves to be above these pitchers?
by JBImaknee on
Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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We're not "week" when it comes to hitters.
We’re just super deep in pitching.
Smoak, Andrus, Tea, Max, Beltre and Borbon could all make legitimate claims as top 100 overall prospects.
That’s nucking futs, actually.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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Justin Smoak is like 10 regular hitting prospects
So yeah, it is fucking nuts. Nuts. Insane. Bonzo. No longer in possession of one’s faculties. Three fries short of a Happy Meal. WHACKO!!"
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 10, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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yep
In addition you have to keep in mind that some of the top 30 guys from last year are now in the bigs.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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Yah, if included even the "6 years of team control left" guys it'd go up a ton just cause of Davis.
Though guys like Boggs and Duran would help, too.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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sorry
that response was for JB in agreement with you…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 10:36 AM CST
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I agree that there are some very good high level hitting prospects
But my point is that there are fewer mid-tier guys. Whereas we have a lot of guys like Ross and Wieland, who may click and be great, it seems like when MJH does his lists of position players there is a huge dropoff between the top tier that you list and the next few guys. The guys we had like that the last few years (e.g., Whittleman, Mayberry, Santana) had bad years, and guys like Lemon and Moreland just aren’t high ceiling guys to get excited about.
Maybe Clark Murphy is just the same as Wieland and Murphy – a young kid with a decent probability of taking off – but we’ve all gotten to the point that any decent arm appears more valuable than a decent bat.
by JBImaknee on
Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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damn
not many positional players from 10 on down…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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You can call me...
one of the guys who chose to vote for Greg Golson as the Rangers’ 23rd prospect (and 22nd for that matter).
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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same here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 12:58 PM CST
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Mad Dog.
He has done something in the bigs. Odds are 60-70% of the dudes outside of the top 10-15 never even get a cup o’ joe.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on
Dec 10, 2008 10:43 AM CST
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seriously?
golson over tim murphy, madrigal AND lemon?
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by rentz on
Dec 10, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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I can't believe this either
I almost am inclined to believe somebody’s cheating.
Can we get a roll call of the 28 people who have voted Golson so far, please?
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Dec 10, 2008 11:10 AM CST
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i did
madrigal is good, but hes a non-closer relief pitcher. for me, its a comethefuckon,hesareliefpitcher kind of thing
murphy, eh he is in the next 2-3 for me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 10, 2008 1:01 PM CST
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5 tools, only 23, will probably be in AAA this year
Jaramillo working with him on his hitting. Is there anything wrong with his game besides the strikeouts/approach at the plate? I’m sure JMJ would have been voted around 20-25 so I went with Golson
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Dec 10, 2008 11:29 AM CST
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see, i wouldnt have ranked him in the top 25 either.
and i can’t rank a guy based on the assumption he will hit because of jaramillo.
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by rentz on
Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM CST
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Well, Golson is a couple of years younger than JMJ
And that gives him a little more time to figure things out. He had a .330 OBP last year which isn’t terrible. If Rudy could just fix his swing, then he could become something.
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Dec 10, 2008 11:52 AM CST
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and he came along a lOT at the end of the yr IIRC
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 1:01 PM CST
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Go look at what Tim Murphy did in his first pro season
and tell me he doesn’t deserve to be next. He’s already at ~140 innings too, so it’s not like he’ll be held back, he’ll be shooting through the farm system quickly
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
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Dec 10, 2008 11:31 AM CST
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I'm scurred
that Tim Murphy will Evan Reed in ’09.
by shroomer on
Dec 10, 2008 11:38 AM CST
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I'm scurred
that Greg Golson will Greg Golson in ’09
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
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Dec 10, 2008 11:41 AM CST
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Interesting to watch – will Boggs [a sabrematrician’s dreamboat] or Golson [Scouts call him Two-Sheds] win the battle for Rangers fringe ML OF’er this season and the next?
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Dec 10, 2008 11:47 AM CST
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Personally
I think Boggs gets the benefit of the doubt next season, as a result of his service time last year. Golson needs a ton of work on his swing or he’ll get chewed up by major league pitching
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on
Dec 10, 2008 11:49 AM CST
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golson
golson in 5 seasons: (age 22)
2101 ab
46 hr, 103 2b, 120 sb
.265 avg, .715 ops, .309 obp
623 k
boggs in 5 seasons: (age 25)
1256 ab
47 hr, 81 2b, 49 sb
.257 avg, .820 ops, .364 obp
326 k
golson set a career high in BA (50+ games), had his 2nd fewest k’s in his career, had the most bb he has ever had, had the highest obp he has ever had, had the highest ops he has ever had, had his fewest CS ever and is 22. is also probably one of the top 10 athletes in the minors (baseball?)
greg golson minor league stats
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 1:09 PM CST
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Personally,
I find the Golson argument compelling however I still voted for Tim Murphy. I just think he is a guy that is in AA by July and knocking on the door in september. Golson is definitely someone I would rather have than JMJ.
I bet you could accurately say in all of baseball. At least that is what the “pundits” seem to suggest.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 10, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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huh?
I bet you could accurately say in all of baseball.
where are you going with this?
by bushe on
Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM CST
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wow
i was responding to someone who said he (golson) was one of the top 10 athletes in all of the minors, perhaps baseball. Sorry posted in the wrong place, sorry.
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Dec 10, 2008 8:14 PM CST
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Boggs
are you using the fact that Brandon Boggs waxes his ass as support for the fact that Golson is good? I’m really confused since you voted for him then post showing how much worse he is than Boggs, or was I supposed to get something else out of this?
by bushe on
Dec 10, 2008 1:33 PM CST
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LOL
I was staring at the numbers… wondering the exact same thing. I know that we’ve heard soooo much about how much of a “shed” Golson is, but Boggs is clearly more advanced.
Golson is young, he can use some more swings in the minors… no reason for any “controversy” between him and Boggs right now.
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on
Dec 10, 2008 2:16 PM CST
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no shit hes more advanced
hes also 25
he also went to a major D1 college
his ceiling is much lower than golson
he will never be more than a 4th OF on a good team.
and if hes a starter on the rangers in 2010 going into the year, we do not contend.
boggs that is
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM CST
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I never said anything about starting
I was referring to shroomer’s post on who is most likely to be our fringe-ML type OF next year
25 is old?
I understand his ceiling is much lower, but the numbers that you used to compare the two clearly show Boggs as a much better hitter.
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
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Dec 10, 2008 3:22 PM CST
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The Apostrophe, FWIW
The crux of my biscuit was that it might be interesting and revealing to watch the Rangers decisions if Golson and Boggs are sort of pitted against each other for 4th/5th OF’er. There eventually may be some PT trend found that shows the FO is perhaps more biased towards either trad-scout or sabre-style eval. Potential for future forum fodder, that’s all.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:38 PM CST
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Apostrophe
one of my favorite Zappa albums.
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by t ball on
Dec 10, 2008 5:03 PM CST
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Really?
I like Boggs quite a bit.
Great defender with a chance to show some passable offense. A cheap source of quiet production. Teams with finite payrolls need guys like that.
There’s a really good chance that Boggs > Golson.
Of course there’s also a chance Golson >>>>>>>> Boggs.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:25 PM CST
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There’s areallygood chance that Boggs > Golson.
Of course there’s also a chance Golson >>>>>>>> Boggs.
the second part is why i rank him here.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 10, 2008 4:40 PM CST
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Well said
and concur.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 12, 2008 7:12 PM CST
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2 votes for Jake Brigham??
can someone tell me what I’m missing on him?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
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Dec 10, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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He's not top 30 material now
but he could be by the end of 09. 90-94fb, above average curve with potential to be plus, needs to improve command. I believe he signed for 3-4round money as a 6th rounder. He is a legit prospect and is said to be healthy by spring training.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 10, 2008 3:53 PM CST
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He should end up in Hickory
possibly spending some time in EXT first.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:53 PM CST
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Thanks
I remembered the high signing bonus but still thought it was too early for him.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 10, 2008 5:27 PM CST
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You mention the fastabll and curve, but those things were true before surgery. At this point, we don’t know how he’ll come back for sure.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 10, 2008 6:46 PM CST
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Tool Shed
I think I’ve been voting for him since #17. I am ready to vote for somebody else…
by TRanger on
Dec 10, 2008 1:36 PM CST
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Golson.
TOOLS + Rudy = ???
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Dec 10, 2008 2:28 PM CST
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Heh
Give him a toe-tap or open him up like Nelson Cruz.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 12, 2008 7:13 PM CST
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Still voting for PECOTA's favorite shortstop in our system:
Lemon party!
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Dec 10, 2008 3:14 PM CST
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really
over andrus?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM CST
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Yup.
PECOTA saw Lemon this year as the 8th best shorstop prospect in the country, and chief among the “Very Good” tier of prospects with an upside ranking of 97.0.
Andrus was three spots behind him with an 81.2.
Last year, Andrus actually came out a bit better and was 6th in the country and an “Excellent” prospect. Lemon’s score was much worse, but he was still 8th and still a “Very Good” prospect.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:23 PM CST
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What does PECOTA say
about their defense?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 10, 2008 3:25 PM CST
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Not an easy answer.
What it says about their upside on D I don’t know yet, and I’m not sure how trustworthy it would be, anyway.
That says, Lemon’s PECOTA card calls him a “fantastic” defender and sees him as a guy who would be five runs above average if he was brought up right now. It has Andrus as a run below average.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:36 PM CST
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Fantastic
and Andrus below average goes against every single scouting report we’ve heard about either of them.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 10, 2008 5:04 PM CST
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That's one run below average over the course of an entire season. . .
. . . if he had been called up in spring training.
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Dec 10, 2008 5:44 PM CST
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You haven't been reading the scouting reports I've been sending out?
Marcus Lemon = Dreamy as Hell At Defense.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 10, 2008 6:20 PM CST
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And, while I'm looking at their PECOTA cards, here are their Stars & Scrubs Charts:
Marcus Lemon
That was before this season, of course.
by philkid3 on
Dec 10, 2008 3:38 PM CST
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Sometimes I feel so all alone
since only me and another poor soul go for Whittleman.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
by rodcarew on
Dec 10, 2008 7:33 PM CST
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that would be because
he just isn’t very good
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 10, 2008 9:24 PM CST
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Still time.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM CST
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He is still
pretty young, but I’m skeptical.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 11, 2008 12:19 AM CST
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+1
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 11, 2008 12:37 AM CST
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Rightfully so
But it seems most people have left him for dead, when there is still a chance.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 11, 2008 7:56 AM CST
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If he has a good April-May
in Frisco he’ll shoot right back up there.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 11, 2008 8:33 AM CST
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Indeed.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM CST
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Took a flyer
Was going to vote Golson, then had a back of the mind thought and went to baseball reference to check on Cristian Santana. Mine was one of the (only two?) votes for Santana. Heh, I blame his .693 OPS in Clinton on cold Iowa weather … the poor kid only had about eleven days all year in the MWL as warm as AZ or the Dominican.
Well, it’s actually cold in Iowa! Heh ….
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on
Dec 10, 2008 11:41 PM CST
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(continued)
The other thing, he just turns 20 this coming June.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on
Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM CST
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Santana
I was really big on him last year, but then he didn’t make the progress I expected him too so I really couldnt justify ranking him ahead of some of the pitchers
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 11, 2008 7:19 AM CST
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Murphy is ahead
CALL IT! CALL IT!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 11, 2008 8:01 AM CST
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Heh
Only 7 minutes later, it’s tied. Coincedence?
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 11, 2008 8:08 AM CST
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call it a tie DT
so that we can move on to #25!
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Dec 11, 2008 8:14 AM CST
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+1
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 11, 2008 8:22 AM CST
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Yo DT, the quickest way to get lil' lemon
on the board is to call it when it is tied!
by Goyogringo on
Dec 11, 2008 9:09 AM CST
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Golson
hey look everyone its the ghost of Greg Golson’s future
by bushe on
Dec 11, 2008 8:19 AM CST
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Well, Golson is supposed to have some pop
But unfortunately, that’s not a bad comp.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
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Dec 11, 2008 8:24 AM CST
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unfortunately, even that may be a reach
Patterson minor league career .284 / .336 / .499
Shed Golson’s career ………… .265 / .309 / .406
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 11, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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agreed
and before all the tools hop on and complain. I really doubt his tools could even hold Patties’ tools’ jocks.
by bushe on
Dec 11, 2008 9:22 AM CST
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heh
yeah it appears that the Shed has a rusty padlock, so all those tantalizing tools may never see the light of day. In fact, I submit that Padlock is a better nickname for him than Shed.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 11, 2008 9:30 AM CST
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I like it
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 11, 2008 9:37 AM CST
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I know #23 isn't an important #...
But I’d like to see a run-off
by cmkelly29 on
Dec 11, 2008 8:25 AM CST
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and besides...
it’s been 24 hours and we’re tied.
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Dec 11, 2008 8:27 AM CST
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+1
I’m hoping someone’s holding out on their vote til this morning.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 11, 2008 8:46 AM CST
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someone did it seems
murphy up by 1.
call it now!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 11, 2008 8:56 AM CST
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Will you shush!
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 11, 2008 9:05 AM CST
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Phillips
The two votes for Phillips are just bad.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 11, 2008 9:11 AM CST
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Somebody call it...
I heard Dirkatron and Jamey got in a knuckle fight after the NMLR thing last night…
Go Strangers.
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Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM CST
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might as well
have two 23’s and skip to 25. Golson and Murphy both deserve it.
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Dec 11, 2008 10:01 AM CST
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We need
seth/steal home/save us/stevoo to use all of her accounts to vote and break up the tie.
Also, somebody needs to rouse HH, he has about 5 different accounts, eh?
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Tim Murhpy 63, Golson 62
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 11, 2008 10:22 AM CST
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63-63 now
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 11, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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It's 63 62, should I call it?
I’ve been waiting all damn morning.
I’ll give it 10 or 15 more minutes then I’m calling it for one guy or a tie.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 11, 2008 11:40 AM CST
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Or,
call it for Murphy and make Golson #24 and move onto #25.
by ghostofErikThompson on
Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM CST
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"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM CST
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Runoffs suck
for guys outside the top 10.
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by t ball on
Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM CST
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Do a Runoff!
Its a slippery slope between admitting that runoffs don’t matter this late and admitting that voting this late doesn’t matter…
by JBImaknee on
Dec 11, 2008 11:55 AM CST
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It's not that runoffs don't matter this late, it's that people seem to hate runoffs- including me.
They’re boring. We’ve already voted for these guys and discussed it ad nauseum. Let’s get on with it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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Dec 11, 2008 12:07 PM CST
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Heh
I see you were channeling Stringer there ;)
Let’s get on with it.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 12, 2008 7:20 PM CST
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63s
sweet
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 11, 2008 11:48 AM CST
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i vote tie goes to the (fastest) runner
clearly this is golson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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