Sun Sentinel on Salty or MaxRam to Marlins

by jcAustin on Dec 10, 2008 2:26 PM CST Comment 30 comments

In spite of Berardino's words to the contrary, and MJH's prediction that something would get done with the Sox, IMO a trade with Florida could make a lot of sense for both sides. It would take an additional prospect coming from the Rangers, especially for Johnson, Volstad or Nolasco but few teams have such an abundance of good young major-league ready pitching, and they need a good young major-league ready catcher with upside. Also didn't realize Salty was from Florida.

Here are some '08 stats for the pitchers mentioned and Buchholz:

Josh Johnson - 87ip, 91h, 77k, 27bb, 3.61era, 118era+, 1.35whip. 24yrs, 6'7", 240lb, throws-right. (Had Tommy John - aug '07)

Chris Volstad - 84ip, 76h, 52k, 36bb, 2.88era, 148era+, 1.33whip. 22yrs, 6'7", 190lbs, throws-right. ('08 was his rookie year)

Ricky Nolasco - 212ip, 192h, 186k, 42bb, 3.52era, 121era+, 1.10whip. 26yrs, 6'2" 220lbs, throws-right.

Anibal Sanchez - 51ip, 54h, 50k, 27bb, 5.57era, 76era+, 1.56whip. 24yrs, 6'0", 180lbs, throws-right. (Had shoulder problems after brilliant rookie year in '06. Surgery for torn labrum in '07...risky)

Clay Buchholz - 76ip, 93h, 72k, 41bb, 6.75era, 68era+, 1.76whip. 24yrs, 6'3", 190lbs, throws-right.

Jonathan Sanchez - 158ip, 154h, 157k, 75bb, 5.01era, 87era+, 1.44whip. 26yrs, 6'2", 165lbs, throws-left.

Andrew Miller - 107ip, 120h, 89k, 56bb, 5.67era, 72era+, 1.64whip. 23yrs, 6'6", 210lbs, throws-left.

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Can't say I'm too excited about either Sanchez

but the rest I’d be very excited to see come to Texas. I may even be convinced to include Main or Perez for Johnson or Volstad.

by JBImaknee on Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

To me,

Volstad and Nolasco are the prizes in that group.

by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my rankings

nolasco is the best
buchholtz
josh johnson
jon sanchez
volstad
anibal sanchez

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Volstad

I like the pitcher, but I hate the idea of buying in on a guy that a handful of ML starts that exceeded what was thought to be his ceiling.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 10, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly.

by clark on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

I was reading through the thread for the first time and replied before noticing that you just said nearly the exact same thing, one post down.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 10, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the thing is

both sanchezes present the opportunity to buy low. volstad was never considered a potential ace in the minors, just an advanced ground ball pitcher with no true out pitch. now his value is inflated because of his strong debut (just like anibal’s was after 2006).

by clark on Dec 10, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree, but I dont think salty is that low.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 10, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agree

if we can parlay max into jonathan sanchez, i am okay with that. at this point, anibal is now worth any of our three catchers. still, they do present a decent buy low proposition if a match can be found.

by clark on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

could consider Miller

a borderline buy-low candidate too, although i imagine the Marlins want a better look at him. He’s 23 and a lefty, and was slightly disappointing last year compared to expectations.

"Never go with a hippie to a second location."

by jcAustin on Dec 10, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how about a dirty one???

"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez

by 8legs2fangs on Dec 10, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nolasco is

very appealing but I don’t know if we can get him.

by coolaid on Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

ahh i would love to get volstad

6’7 190 pounds only 22 years old and put up those numbers in his rookie year…damn imagine if he added 20 30 pounds and added a mph or two to the fb

by dustinvandeman on Dec 10, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

except

we aren’t going to get volstad.

so, we really only have a shot at anibal, right?

meh

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 10, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

josh johnson is a guy i would be VERY interested in

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

his control

77k/27bb coming off TJ surgery quickly is impressive

"Never go with a hippie to a second location."

by jcAustin on Dec 10, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yup

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nolasco is not coming to us.

Unless we gave up Holland/Feliz, which isn’t happening.

Sad because I’d LOVE to have him. His control/stats make me drool.

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I bet you could get Nolasco

for Chris Davis.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 10, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

I would have to think really hard about that. If it were a swap, then I probably would. But Florida’s going to ask for another position player/young arm, possibly both, in addition to CD.

I really don’t want to trade Chris for anything right now.

He’s been everything we’ve asked for thus far in the majors. He’s still 22 and has the capacity to improve greatly. And his birthday is on St. Pattys day just like me, so I have something to talk about with him.

My reasoning is fantastic.

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Dec 10, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez

A torn labrum probably means he will never be the same pitcher who threw the no-hitter. Pitchers don’t recover from that injury.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Dec 10, 2008 4:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yep

if pitchers with torn labrums were horses, they’d be destroyed. Of the 36 major-league hurlers diagnosed with labrum tears in the last five years, only midlevel reliever Rocky Biddle has returned to his previous level. Think about that when your favorite pitcher comes down with labrum trouble: He has a 3 percent chance of becoming Rocky Biddle.

Will Carroll article on torn Labrums

by BHill on Dec 10, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs