Tigers Trade for Jackson

by kentbenfer on Dec 10, 2008 9:39 PM CST Comment 35 comments

Just read Rosenthal's latest and it seems that Detroit has acquired Edwin Jackson from Tampa for leftfielder Matt Joyce.

Rosenthal

Doesn't seem like much for Jackson. I know the guy has been a disappointment and that Matt Joyce looks to be a decent outfielder, but I would have liked for the Rangers to get in on that guy. He has a ton of upside. He pitched a couple of great games against us if I remember. Wonder if a guy like Murphy or Cruz would have been better than Joyce.

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I would think Murphy or Cruz would have landed Jackson.

by Beasticon on Dec 10, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'd have traded Murphy for him...

Even if he ends up a bullpen arm, he’s still got value…

by N41D on Dec 10, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I bet cruz would have been enough

But I wouldnt have done that. i dont know if hes really better than hurley and such. if we arn’t going to acquire a starter otherwise jackson probably would have been a worthwhile addition later in the offseason, but yeah.. whatever.

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by DSheppard on Dec 10, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

he isnt

his perpherials are poor

by blalock84 on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah i refreshed myself on him after all this

nevermind.

not that i was gung-ho must have him =)

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by DSheppard on Dec 10, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This trade is so dumb it hurts

Joyce is a useful player who may become more than that, while Jackson has been a terrible, terrible pitcher for quite some time now. I know he’s got great stuff and everything, but he’s never shown any signs of consistently putting together anything. I am really glad that the Rangers stayed away from him-not they were ever really rumored to be interested in him.

The Tigers now have Edwin Jackson and Dontrelle Willis on the same staff. Good Lord.

by shakma on Dec 10, 2008 10:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't see the point

of acquiring another starter who fills the 3, 4 or 5 slot in the rotation. We have plenty of candidates for that role.

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by rodcarew on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

WOW

we could have given them Murphy or Byrd or any other pointless hitters

by Stevoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Which would have been way too much

Give me some real prospects for those guys – not a guy who’s already been in the bigs for quite some time and still can’t be more than a pretty bad pitcher.

by TRanger on Dec 11, 2008 7:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

last year his ERA was under 4.42

which is better than any of our starting pitchers

by Stevoo on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Backed by the Rangers defense

his ERA would have been over 5.00.

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by t ball on Dec 11, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude seriously?

Do you know what 1.51 whips (which is sadly his career high minus rookie season of 20 something innings) and 5.3 k/9 = in our park?…waivers.

by slimshadty12 on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

did you know that runs are the only stat that matters in a baseball game?

by Stevoo on Dec 11, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

That was almost as funny as your “defense isn’t important” line.

Almost.

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 12, 2008 6:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so if you have more hits than your opponent you win?

by Stevoo on Dec 12, 2008 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

but more hits often means more runs. A higher WHIP most of the time means more runs allowed, too, which was slim’s point above, you obtuse dunderhead.

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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So if the Rangers have 1 run and 10 hits

And the Rays have 2 runs and no hits.

Who wins you acute blunderfeet?

by Stevoo on Dec 12, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not what I said

you lobotomized lugnut. I said that the vast majority of time, a pitcher with the higher WHIP is going to give up more runs. If he gives up more runs, who wins, ball sac? And the team with more hits gets more runs more often than the team with fewer hits. Got it, you dimwitted jackanape?

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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but runs are the only thing that matters.

are you familiar with the scoring system in baseball?

by Stevoo on Dec 13, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you familiar

with how teams score runs? Does it not make sense to you that the team that gets more hits on average will score more runs on average?

Obviously, you fucking idiot, in any given SINGLE GAME, a team can score more runs getting fewer hits, but again obviously, you fucking idiot, over time the team with more hits on average will score more runs.

Obviously, you fucking idiot, a pitcher can get a lot of help from his defense, ballpark, relievers, etc. in winning games and keeping his ERA down. But also obviously, you fucking idiot, a pitcher that allows fewer hits and walks is better than a pitcher allowing more.

Edwin Jackson was one of the luckiest pitchers in baseball last season. Without that defense behind him his ERA is likely to be much closer to 5.00 next season.

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by t ball on Dec 13, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're wasting...

your time T-ball.

That clown will never understand anything.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 13, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

I enjoy it, he’s fun to insult. It may look like I had smoke coming out of my ears when I typed that, but I had fun.

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by t ball on Dec 13, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pissed off t

is fun!

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by Rodney on Dec 14, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+one lobotomized lugnut

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So you think hits are more important than runs?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, i guess the Rangers should stop hitting those stupid home runs and just focus on getting lots of singles, oh and they need the LUCK of the irish.

by Stevoo on Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Rays have 2 runs and no hits

That probably means Edwin Jackson walked the runs in.

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 13, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who said Edwin Jackson was pitching?

by Stevoo on Dec 13, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who?

by Stevoo on Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This makes the return on Laird look amazing.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Joyce slugged almost .500 in his rookie season – I’m really suprised DET would give him away for Edwin freaking Jackson. I think I’d be pretty upset if I was a Tiger fan right now, ‘cause Jackson only adds to DET’s stockpile of unstable, unpredictable high-BB arms.

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good

now the rangers wont be tempted to trade cruz for him.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 11, 2008 7:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I can't see us trading Cruz right now...

No one picked him up off waivers when he was mashing…why would they trade value now? And I can’t see anyone putting a deal together big enough to make it worth trading Cruz’s massive upside when he seems to have found it.

by slimshadty12 on Dec 11, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jackson and Hermida

Both Jackson and Hermida were top 5 prospects in all of baseball at some point in their careers and now we would be pissed if the Rangers traded a bag of balls for them. All of this talk makes me think how incredibly lucky the Rangers will be to just get a couple of their highly touted prospects to contribute in the big leagues. And how laughable it is when I see someone on here telling us that the Rangers rotation in the next few years will be entirely filled with homegrown talent.

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by DaheelzCM on Dec 11, 2008 7:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Prospects

I think the reason people get excited about all the prospects is that given the number of highly touted guys it increases the chances that at least a few will succeed. but sure theres a chance not a single one of them ever does.

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by rentz on Dec 11, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs