Thursday a.m. stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 9:38 AM CST
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PrintRichard Durrett has a story this morning about the mutual interest between the Rangers and Randy Johnson, with Nolan Ryan saying that Johnson brings some qualities that not everyone brings.
Jeff Wilson says that Johnson would only get about half the annual salary Tom Hicks offered him a decade ago, when Johnson left the Astros and spurned the Rangers to sign with Arizona.
Adding Johnson would probably mean the departure of either Kevin Millwood or Vicente Padilla, and T.R. Sullivan says that the Brewers have expressed interest in Millwood.
Sullivan also mentions the rumored Saltalamacchia/Hermida trade discussions, and says the BoSox aren't interested in trading Clay Buchholz.
The Rule 5 draft is this morning, so we should know before too long what is up with Pedro Strop.
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we're after the wrong Johnson
I sure wish we were hearing about the Rangers interest in Josh Johnson, instead of Randy.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
yup
ssma here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure the Rangers are interested
I’d be more excited to hear about Florida’s interest in trading him.
From Sullivan
The Marlins appear to be most interested, both in Saltalamacchia and Ramirez, but they weren’t interested in trading Josh Johnson.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
the Marlins
who are they interested in trading? I’ve now heard that every pitcher they’ve got, they want to keep.
Except for Anibel and his torn labrum that scares me away, contrary to what I was saying the other day.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
No kidding
They’re in on every other rumor but they don’t want to trade anybody?
by brettgardner on Dec 11, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
According to TR
Nobody wants to trade anybody.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Nobody ever does want to trade anybody
Everyone wants everyone else’s good players, and doesn’t want to trade any of their own good players.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder why that is?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Adam
The Brewers are reportedly very close to a deal sending Cameron to the Yankees for Cabrera. Given your creepy mancrush on Cameron, would you have been in favor of the Rangers getting in on that and what would you give up?
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Dec 11, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions
Not really
The Rangers don’t need another OF right now. Particularly not a vet on a one year deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yankees rumors; Strop
The Yankees are rumored to have offered Burnett a 5 year deal. I’m rootin’ for that since it appears that might drive Atlanta into the Millwood market.
I haven’t seen much buzz in rule 5 talk about Strop, hoping that’s a good sign.
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Strop
He’s been mentioned by BA as a probable candidate, especially with teams with more than 1 roster spot.
Burnett to Yanks
wonder if that adds any suitors to the Sheets market?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
lukewarm about Johnson
I guess I could go along with signing Johnson if that means Millwood gets traded. The Rangers need to keep 3 rotation spots open for young pitchers.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
That's a quick about face
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Dec 11, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
rotation spot
Like I said above, the Rangers need to keep 3 rotation spots open to young pitchers. If they sign Johnson and go with Johnson, Millwood and Padilla then I don’t like it. However, if they trade Millwood or Padilla then I can live with the Johnson signing.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Heh
If we sign him, I think his LSB nickname is going to be “Gramps”.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Uh, No.
You can be more creative than that.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Wouldn't that just make comments larger?
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
I'd be able to post
even if someone knocked on the door and interrupted me.
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Sweet Spot
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Dec 11, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Uhhh
Brandon McCarthy’s grampa?
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Sadly no, if MCarthy had Randy's genes
He would stay healthy more
by thedudeabides on Dec 11, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
he brings...
a bad temper, someone has got to replace Uncle Milty in that dept.
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 11, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
300 Wins
Does anybody think that Hicks is open to signing Johnson because his 300th win might draw a few more fans than usual? Kinda like Sosa and his HRs.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 11, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Good point
Although hopefully RJ would be a little more valuable overall than Sosa was.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
and the outside chance he reaches 5,000 in the same season?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 11, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
the mullet is key to winning
Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Dennis Eckersley, Rod Beck, the entire 1993 Phillies, AJ Burnett, Mitch Williams are some pitchers of note. John Kruk (of special note from the 1993 Phillies), George Brett, Jose Canseco/Mark McGwire, Raffy/Juan-Gone, Larry Walker/Dante Bichette/Vinny Castilla, Robin Yount, Don Mattingly…I’m sure Babe and Mantle would’ve worn the mullet had they been allowed to back then
the mullet is KEY to winning!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 11, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
How many type A
free agents are the Yankees allowed to sign?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
3?
i think its 2 or 3
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the rule..
“If there are 14 or fewer Type A or Type B free agents available, no team can sign more than one type A or B player. If there are between 15-38, no team can sign more than two. If there are between 39 and 62, there’s a limit of three. However, teams can sign as many Type A or B free agents as they’ve lost, regardless of the limits above”
So actually the yanks can sign 4
As they’ve lost 4 Type A/B players. But as for other teams, not looking into how many they’ve each lost, the limit this year is 3.
I thought it had to do
with draft picks.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Yankees
Holy shit. They’ve signed CC, offered to Burnett, traded for Cameron, and rumor has it they’ll still be in on Lowe even if they sign Burnett. Hughes available? I’ve seen enough negative comments from scouts about his AFL stint that I’m not sure how excited I’d be compared with a year ago, but definitely worth a look.
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evidently a fair amount of his problems
are not phyiscal issues at all..
YMMV
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
YMMV?
que?
i was wondering this myself. but they haven’t been rumored to be in on our catchers at all.
I love the possibilities that drive up Padilla and Millwood’s trade values…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 11, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3762149&type=blogEntry
9:50am: Some Derek Lowe chatter this morning – Jayson Stark says the Yankees would remain interested in Lowe if they sign A.J. Burnett.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 11, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I
was referencing, too lazy to link or paste, thanks.
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This is good news, if true:
“Sheets, according to one source who has met with him, is looking for a two-year deal.”
Nah, noob.
However much payroll
We can clear.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
2/$30
I forget where, probably MLBTR, but there was talk of a team offering 2 years/$30 million to Sheets.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 11, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I thought that was 2/26
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Hmm
isn’t the only reason that he’d want a two year deal that he’s not completely healthy to start next season? Not that it’s the worst thing, depending on price, but I just can’t think of another reason that he’d want that length.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Or
he wants to get another contract in a better market with more money around and fewer other top starters.
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Why two rather than one, then?
Projecting that as the best combo of market upswing and few pitching FAs?
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know
I was just throwing that out there. The list of FA pitchers next year is certainly not that impressive (assuming Beckett and Webb are optioned/extended). I would think he’d be angling for at least a 3rd year vesting option, or a 3-yr. deal with a 4th year vesting option.
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So they are going to trade Milly's $12M salary
“Make a run” at Sheets and fail, then sign Randy for $5M and say they tried their best
I love being a rangers fan.
if they end up trading Millwood and signing Randy
while putting up a big effort to get Sheets…I would be elated. We’d get an improvement from our “Ace” for one year, and maybe have a big trade chip at the deadline, and open up a spot for both Holland and Feliz in 2010 with Padilla’s departure. For $7 million in flexibility, with which we could sign an intriguing bullpen arm AND a 3rd base stop-gap? That’s not a bad offseason…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
i really only want to trade Millwood
if we get a decent return. i have a feeling he will be pretty good next year.
and I have a feeling we'll get a decent return
not a great one though…do we have any recent (last 2 or 3 years) trades for a pitcher with Millwood’s resume, including recent struggles with Texas, to try to gauge what we could get in return? outside of what we’ve traded with/for?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 11, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I just see the Sheets business as the annual Hicks “hey we tried to sign pitching” stunt but it wouldn’t bother me to trade Milly and sign the Unit. We aren’t going to win next year anyway and besides, I can’t disagree with someone else with a Lebowski-themed name.
by thedudeabides on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I like that respect, and I'll give you the same back...
“I take comfort in knowin’ that…”
I agree with you about Hicks to some degree…but look at the real names Hicks missed out on signing over the past 6 years:
Zito (too much money even if he did end up pitching well…which he hasn’t)
Matsuzaka (too much money to even have a CHANCE to sign him – might’ve been of use here)
Schmidt (horribly injured)
Pettitte (would have never come here without assurance that we’d be a winner)
about the only pitcher on the free agent market that we missed out on that had a reasonable contract was Ted Lilly
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Randy Johnson
I dont really care one way or the other if they sign him.
If they sign him and he stays healthy and pitches well then he could be flipped mid year when the rangers are out of contention.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Let's think positive
Send Blalock and Ramirez to frisco for sanchez,which frees up enough money for Grandpa Johnson, then trade one of the duo of Milly or padilla and sign Sheets.
What would San Francisco do with Ramirez?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
i dont think they'd need both blalock and cantu.
but the whole sanchez thing isnt happening.. its not a good match.
the preceding post was a great success.
not sure....
Was thinking this was Molina’s contract year.
What is all the love for Sanchez.
He’s really not that good.
Did you even bother
to read the replies tricer and I wrote to your earlier surfacy knee-jerking post? Look deeper than the ERA.
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Thanks for the advice.
Yeah, I missed those replies, but from your tone I can guess at the douche-baggery they contained.
Rest assured, I looked at his peripherals as well. Taking in the whole picture and his apparent inability to throw 6 full innings, he’s not that good. And he certainly isn’t a player that merits a healthy Blalock AND another player.
getting rid of Hank and getting a younger lefty that can post
1 strikeout per inning, with a chance to blossom…a CHANCE.
I don’t know. What do you think we could get for Hank that’s better? That’s my question. Because Hank certainly doesn’t seem like an option after 2009. And sure, Hank could be a valuable platoon DH/1B option for us this year, but it seems like we don’t want him at 3rd going forward, and we can’t put him at 1st with Davis and Smoak there, and our DH situation is not as wide open as it has been in the past with Hamilton’s occasional need for a day off plus a renewed glut of outfielders that can produce (Hamilton, Byrd, Cruz, Murphy, Boggs with Borbon and the new guy from the Mayberry trade on their way), plus an opportunity for Salty to DH if TT is starting, plus Max-Ram coming up soon… There’s no place for Hank.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
neither of you are douchebags
so no need to act like ones to each other all of a sudden.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
I reserve the right
to be a douchebag when the opportunity arises and it amuses me.
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Catcher
Could the Red Sox get Brewers catcher Lou Palmisano? If they did, would that give them more leverage in trade talks?
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
Winter meetings are running ot of time here
sign people, sign.
with us.
the preceding post was a great success.
JD
was supposedly on a plane right after the draft ended. I have a feeling if the Rangers make another notable move this offseason, it will come out of RF, per the norm.
well
that’s not so surprising. Not like any other signings/trades happened at the winter meetings
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Another boring winter meetings
Who could have predicted that?
OT
Went to Rotoworld and the top story on there says
Expert: Celtics’ role players make the difference
Really? Well, if an expert said it than it must be true.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
can someone explain...
why if JD brings in randy johnson for a couple months, lets him pitch his 300th win in arlington and then spin him off to a contender for a few prospects at the deadline, that its such a bad deal? we have a lot of guys who need more polish time and i’d like to at least act like they’ve earned a spot in the rotation that gotten it by default…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
RJ
Well if we don’t get rid of one of the veterans then that means 3 spots in the rotation would be locked up by veterans (millwood, Padilla, and Johnson). Feldman is out of options and will almost certainly be given first shot at a rotation slot since he can’t be sent to the minors. Thats 4. That leaves one spot for one of Hurley, Harrison, or Mccarthy or someone else.
I don’t agree that all could use more polish. McCarthy is in his 4th year in the big leagues. All he needs to do is stay healthy. If he is healthy he would figure to be the top of the list of those three. Harrison and Hurley probably wouldn’t be stunted by spending time in AAA but I don’t think they need it to get more polish. Harrison pitched in almost 15 games last year at the big league level. Thats half a season of pitching. he may need to work on some things but nothing so significant that he needs to be in AAA to work on it. And if Hurley hadn’t gotten hurt he would have about half a season under his belt also. Having one of them in AAA to start the year is probably the most you want. To do that you need 3 rotation spots dedicated to young guys.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Nippert is out of options
too I’m pretty sure.
"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."
- Emo Phillips
ok
But you don’t go into a season hoping for injuries to give your young guys a chance if they are being blocked by a 45 year old. Injuries shouldn’t give a young player a chance to show what hes got until at least june 1st.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Feldman
should be in the pen so Hurley can start.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Sorry can't agree with that
Feldman showed alot last year. Enough to be given another look as a starter before we discard him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Twins re-sign Punto at Two for $8.5 million, crazy:
http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/12/11/twins-re-sign-punto/
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
Rangers will offer on Sheets
Quoted that wrong…“might” make an offer.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's a big difference.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 11, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
McMahon
posted old news about the house being off the market. That is not a new development and I don’t think it means anything.
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I get in a hurry. This winter meetings I really get an itchy trigger finger on whatever update.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 11, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Of additional interest ...
the article Poochie links references Melvin visiting with the Rangers about Millwood and Padilla, but says that nothing came of it. I haven’t really looked at the Brewers system, so I’m not sure what they have as far as prospects, but that reminded me of Adam’s idea about acquiring JJ Hardy. It would be interesting if he could be had in a deal centered on Milly. Then you slide MY over to third and that should significantly improve their left side defense.
I’d love to know if Hardy’s name came up.
I would bet
Milwaukee will hold onto Hardy this year. Maybe if they tank they’ll deal him in July, but they’re trying to contend right now and Escobar needs some seasoning.
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Rich talks to Ron:
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/sports/index.html?nvid=312188
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
Klaw
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24064
Sean (Boston, Ma): Te sox would have to give up Buchholz to get a catcher from Texas?
SportsNation Keith Law: (1:17 PM ET ) To get Teagarden, probably. I’m not sure if Bowden alone would do it.
First I’ve heard this…
Jordan (Windsor, CT): Is there a chance Lowe would sign for three years in Boston or did that ship sail in 2004?
SportsNation Keith Law: (1:37 PM ET ) I think it sailed, and I don’t think the Red Sox are going to sign a starter unless it’s to a one-year deal, like Penny or Smoltz.
Might a catcher/Millwood deal make sense to get a bigger return from Boston?
Buchholz and Bard for Tea and Millwood?
Pat (Boston, MA): Can you talk people off the ledge about Clay Buchholz? I am hearing Casey Fossum comparisons which is downright riduclous
SportsNation Keith Law: (1:40 PM ET ) It’s like we forget that top prospects can stumble in their first big-league exposure and still turn out OK. Everyone’s jumping off the Salty bandwagon, the Buchholz bus, and the Hughes hovercraft. Don’t hurt yourselves and remember to roll when you hit the ground.
FWIW:
Vern (SF): Jonathan Sanchez for Delmon Young….who says ‘no’ and why?
SportsNation Keith Law: (1:58 PM ET ) I have a feeling the Twins would say no. The Giants don’t seem to be that high on Sanchez. Not as high as I am, at least.
Go Strangers.
God I hate Buchholz.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
It's rediculous, dammit!
Some of these noobs need to learn how to spell on the interwebs…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Spelling=pet peeve.
And thanks!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
If spelling is a pet peeve of yours
Then shouldn’t you spell things correctly yourself?
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Dec 11, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Always nice to hear a voice of reason
It’s like we forget that top prospects can stumble in their first big-league exposure and still turn out OK. Everyone’s jumping off the Salty bandwagon, the Buchholz bus, and the Hughes hovercraft. Don’t hurt yourselves and remember to roll when you hit the ground.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
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