LSB Community Prospect Project: #25
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:03 PM CST
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PrintAs of 12:55 PM Eastern Time, the vote was:
Greg Golson: 63
and
Tim Murphy: 63
That's a tie if I ever did see one.
So, after 239 votes, Greg Golson and Tim Murphy have tied and therefore simultaneously won the right to be called the LSB Community #23 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
17. RHP, Wilmer Font
18. RHP, Omar Poveda
19. LHP, Robbie Ross
20. RHP, Tommy Hunter
21. RHP, Thomas Diamond
22. RHP, Joe Wieland
23. LHP, Tim Murphy (Tie)
23. OF, Greg Golson (Tie)
Time to move on to the vote for #25.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
- Corner Infielders
- Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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I waited as long as I could to call the last one.
I kept waiting for one guy to take a two vote advantage so I could call it but no one ever did. Sorry if anyone is unhappy with not doing a run-off, but this way you get to vote for new guys! Yay, new guys!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Ties suck,
unless you have some private time, a door frame, some porn, and most importantly, a lemon wedge or two.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
All aboard the Lemon train!!!
Hey, Marcus.
I choo-choo-choose you!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Lemon
man you wont like where newberg ranked him
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
He ranked him?
I thought Newberg only went to 72?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
then maybe you will be shocked and amazed
that he’s in the top 35
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
WUUUUUUUTTTTT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
YOU JEST!?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Question
We get busted for tampering with some A’s front office type.
Bud Selig tells Jon Daniels, the A’s get either Warner Madrigal or Marcus Lemon — the Rangers choose which one.
You’d send them Madrigal?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know. That's a tough one.
But that’s not really how I rank prospects. In trades I always favor giving up the younger, further away type guys. I vote based on who I think has the best chance to best player, and then adjust for things like proximity and personal preference.
Madrigal is a tough guy for me to rank. I don’t think he has pure closer stuff, and so, if that’s true, what’s his ceiling? A slightly better version of Joaquin Benoit? Is a slightly better version of Benoit more valuable than a guy I think has a great shot at being an above average 2b in the big leagues? The answer, to me, is no.
I fully acknowledge I might be underrating Madrigal, though. I go back and forth on his ceiling. He really impressed me at times this year.
And I think my Lemon mancrush is pretty well known, so I won’t get into that here.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Benoit as a Madrigal comp
I think Benoit has much better stuff.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
Madrigal seems to have the same disease
as Hurley, Harrison, Duran, Salty, and Hunter. The shiny new toy syndrome, they have predictably struggled at times in their brief stints as a Ranger and now we are all ready to dump these guys and move on to the next teenager who throws mid 90s and has a wicked slider. You know like Madrigal only better because he is 17 and in like 5 years he could develop more and become great, or he could become Madrigal if we’re lucky.
?
Your last sentence makes me confused
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
sorry
My sentence structure is poor. I meant that we get excited about a young arms because they could become great, but really we would be lucky if they turn into Madrigal. For example Wilmer Font who is all the way up at 17 is more likely to never make it to the major leagues than he is to become an all-star, and most likely if he makes it it will be as a bullpen pitcher who has pretty good stuff, but struggles some at first. In other words he could become great, but we would be lucky if he turns into another Madrigal. That is why some people could argue that Madrigal is the better prospect because he has already made it and has pitched better after a shaky start. That is all.
Cool, got it
it’s the classic argument over ceiling vs reliability
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
i would
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 11, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Moreland
I like the guys bat, and he brings new meaning to utility player
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Question for anyone
If a player pinch hits in the top of the 9th and hits a go ahead HR, then goes in and pitches the bottom of the 9th to secure the win, does he get credit for a win or save?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Save
The pitcher on record is the last one to take the hill.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
madrigal
i’m really not sure why he’s on the list. he played so much last year i dont consider him a prospect anymore
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Not enough innings.
BA rules.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
id go by rookie eligibility
but its not my list
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Sorry I let you down.
But the idea was to make our list comparable to the BA list, which goes strictly off AB’s and IP’s without considering service time.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
ABs vs. PAs
I still think it’s funny that MLB uses ABs instead of PAs to determine rookie eligibility. I guess a guy could have 175 PAs, walk 46 times like Jack Cust, and still be rookie eligible the next year.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think Madrigal
needs to go here, and then Kennil. If Gomez stays healthy last year, he is a top 20 guy.
Strop
Happy to hear that his name wasn’t called in the Rule V. Sounds like he could contribute this year.
I think he's going to keep doing them...
…until Marcus Lemon makes the list.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I hate you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Strop
After reading that he should be throwing by 3/1 I have bumped him into the teens in my rankings.
3 swing and miss pitches that could net him a closer roll in a couple years; I bet we see him in Sept.
Who are the ZPhillips fans out there?
Come don’t be shy..family?
He has
really dropped off the radar, huh?
by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I think he might make a ML reliever
but I haven’t voted for him.
Deceptive delivery, decent fastball, comfortable with his curve. He has the makings of a decent LH reliever.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
Not Guilty.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
Arias...
Has he just lost everything…? I thought he played fairly well when in the bigs last year, and he used to be a very highly regarded prospect. Considering most of these guys this low won’t ever seriously contribute to a major league club does the fact that he has already played and reached that level not count for something? I voted for him because he proved to me last year he could be a serviceable utility player right now, and I still think if things clicked just right for him he could be a real difference maker.
Mitch Moreland
I just think he has really come on the last yr or so. Be interesting to see if the Rangers move him to pitcher though.
Captain Wonderful begs to differ.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm... Did we come up with that one, though?
I thought it was from a radio show or whatever.
If it’s ours then yah it definitely ranks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
this is the best one.
isnt it AMJs?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Dumpmaster D
That was a Brian Hayes nickname from the NMLR boards, originally.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
I remember.
How come he doesn’t come around here anymore?
Did you refuse to exercise his option?
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 11, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Hayes
I don’t see him at NMLR much, either.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
You should call him up and invite him over for a night of rap-metal and a the Shield marathon.
“Oh my god, what is that totally extreme police cop Vick Mackey gonna do next! I bet it’s shocking!” he’ll say.
“Shhh… I’m trying to get into this new jam from Linkin Park!!!” you’ll reply.
And then you’ll be bff again for sure!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
What does Linkin Park have to do with The Shield?
Your repetitive bitterness on this subject puzzles me.
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 12, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
You'll get there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going with Gomez,
then Madrigal and then Moreland. Lemon might come right after that…
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
almost same as me
gomez —> madrigal/strop —> moreland/lemon
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
in fact the more i think about it the more i think it is going to probably be
gomez
strop
lemon/moreland
madrigal
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm waiting a bit
on Strop, short time pitching, injury…soon, though
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Gomez here for me as well...
then Madrigal, Lemon, and Pimentel I believe.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
madrigal shouldn't even be on the list
per BA rules. he spent more than 45 days on the active roster, therefore losing his rookie eligibility for the upcoming season
Sigh.
Baseball America’s Top 10 Prospects lists are based on projections of a player’s long-term worth after discussions with scouting and player-development personnel. All players who haven’t exceeded the major league rookie standards of 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched (without regard to service time) are eligible. Ages are as of April 1, 2009.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
yep
Michael Bourn was eligible after the 2007 season, even though he spent the entire year in the majors, because he didn’t get hardly any ABs.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Pimentel or Santana?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
See ...
no one picked Clark Murphy. I’m wondering if that guy might be the next rocket up the charts.
Kind of a lonely hunch I got it looks like.
I really like Murphy
He’s going to be on my 9 to watch in ‘09 list. He can really hit. If he’s limited to 1B his future will probably be with another org, but he could definitely build up his value in the next few seasons.
What are your thoughts on Whittleman?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Not a toolsy player
If he can be more aggressive at the plate he might have enough offensive potential to make things interesting. The probably is that he isn’t going to be a major league 3B and his bat is probably not going to make him a starting COF.
At the plate
He almost seems like another Blalock..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
"If he’s limited to 1B ..."
Yeah, it’d help if he could play some avg-ish OF. But it would also help if he gets sent to Hickory and continues to rake. The stuff I read about his HS years and his AZRL performance has me very interested in the guy. Here’s some Jason Cole action from a September interview …
"I’ve played first base pretty much my whole life, so I’m comfortable with it. They are still telling me they’re going to move me to the outfield. It’s just a matter of getting at-bats right now."
.
Murphy expects to work in the outfield when he attends fall instructional league in late-September. The left-hander looks forward to using instructs as a valuable learning experience.
me too
I’m kind of surprised he only has 3 votes right now. Murphy’s the best hitter left, and honestly none of those pitchers really do it for me. I’d rather have a big bat than a closer unless that closer is absolutely dominant, and I don’t see Madrigal or Strop being dominant closers. I like Lemon, but I’d only vote for him after Murphy.
He may shoot up the charts a bit
but I wouldn’t answer the highest ceiling question with his name.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
gomez?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Esdras Abreu.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, read it as "not already on the list".
But really the answer is almost always the really young latin america guys.
Abreu, Escobar, Telis, Polanco, Santana, Castillo, etc.
When you’re that young and raw you pretty much don’t have a ceiling. Not a finite one, anyway.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 11, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Mad Dog 20/20
for me (hic)…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Kennil Gomez for me
Good control, MJH says he’s got a ton of movement on his fastball and his WHIP was insane this year. Strikeouts did drop significantly, and the FIP suffered as a result, but he might have been rushed into starting a bit too soon this year and still put up good overall #’s despite having to be shut down with a tired arm.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
I went with Gomez.
I’m sure if I came back 4 hours later I’d vote for someone else.
I’m just voting against Lemon to screw Dirkatron.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Yah, curse that handsome devil!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
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