LSB Community Prospect Project: #26
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 9:15 AM CST
122 comments
Not quite as close as the last one.
After 192 votes, Warner madrigal has won the right to be called the LSB Community #25 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
17. RHP, Wilmer Font
18. RHP, Omar Poveda
19. LHP, Robbie Ross
20. RHP, Tommy Hunter
21. RHP, Thomas Diamond
22. RHP, Joe Wieland
23. LHP, Tim Murphy (Tie)
23. OF, Greg Golson (Tie)
25. RHP, Warner Madrigal
Time to move on to the vote for #26.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
- Corner Infielders
- Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 9:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be
a special day for you.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
a heartbreaking one.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 12, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The time has come.
For all to see.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 12, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vote Pedro!
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 12, 2008 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vote Kennil!
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 12, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strop
when did he make the list?
now i have to consider him over moreland/murphy
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 12, 2008 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I look at him differently
now that he feels like he’s actually part of the organization. Really, the question there is his health. If he didn’t have the stress fracture (or the potential to have problems with his arm action in the future) he’d either already be in Colorado’s pen or in someone’s top ten prospects.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i ended up going strop
i didnt even see his name on the list last round for some reason
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 12, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i had him in the late 20s
due to his injury without regard for rule 5 issues. I moved him up to mid-teens after seeing that his rehab was going well and that he does not have a soft-tissue injury. The rangers expect him to pitch off the mound around 3/1 (per the rocky mountain news).
by Goyogringo on Dec 12, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here, let me help y'all out
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Dec 12, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
heh
Salty threw out Julio Borbon trying to swipe 2nd base last night in the DWL.
Hit a HR again, too. I’m kinda warming to the idea of just relaxing about our
catchers and letting ’em battle it out in 2009. Aim high, JD.
by shroomer on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boy
He still only has 49 ABs, but he hasn’t really slowed down at all: .367/.500/.857 with 7 HR (one per seven AB) and a 9/6 BB/SO.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he has thrown out 3 of 4 baserunners in the last week as well
that’s good to see, along with the offense
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the best approach.
I had a dream Teagarden was traded for Buccholz last night. I’d be ok with that I suppose, but I’d rather let the three of them fight it out, maybe with Max serving as the right handed DH the team apparently needs.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Dec 12, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right about now
i’d be giddy with max at dh, and both teagarden and salty catching in rotation
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 12, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I guess the only downside of that would be that it could stunt Max’s growth as a catcher, if that is still a consideration. I actually was pleasantly surprised with his performance behind the plate last year. Still, I’m with it.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he'd be getting time on the side and in practice to work on his catching
I don’t understand why it would be that big of a deal to have him as the DH in the majors. What all does he need to work on? Footwork and throwing to 2nd? He can do that in practice.
by hiafex on Dec 12, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be about eleven different kinds of okay with Teagarden for Buchholz.
Also, I’m glad to finally get confirmation I’m not the only one who dreams of Rangers trades :)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have Ranger trade nightmares
like Salty for Masterson. I woke up in a cold sweat.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 12, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 12, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 12, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going Clark Murphy now
I just see him as being far more likely to make it than Lemon. No evidence, all just hunches at this point.
by JBImaknee on Dec 12, 2008 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come on, people
Marcus Lemon? Really?
Over Strop?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or Gomez
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my vote was gomez
lemon is not that good.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I just find it hard to believe that Lemon isn’t among the top 30. I think he’s got a good shot at being a decent 25th man.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Dec 12, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once we get to that point
I think it’s all about philosophy. There is some value in bench players, but I value the guy who has a pretty good chance to be a regular or a nothing over one who is extremely likely to be a bench player and nothing else, but I respect the alternative view. For me the question on the guy who projects as a backup is whether he adds something above (don’t want to be trite and say replacement level) the parade of available guys each year. And Lemon may do that, if his OBP continues to be a positive force.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess for me
Given his pedigree, the positive buzz that surrounded him when he was drafted, the strong reports about his makeup, his above average defense, and his impressive OBP skills at a young age, he sounds like a top 25 to 30 to me.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Dec 12, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Marcus Lemon can't crack the top 25
something has gone terribly well.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 12, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or gone completely right
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 12, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Antiphrasis
It’s a fun one.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 12, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you can make cute little pictures and nicknames for him
Haven’t we learned that nicknames like Tuglett and Lil Danny, especially when combined with petite size, gets you a lot of added value on this list?
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why ya gotta hate on lil tugger?
he was like the greatest prospect ever!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that's obnoxious
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Solution
you need to think up cool nicknames for the people you think should be ranked.
Actually, I’ve noticed a distinct uptick in votes for guys you tout in each day’s thread in the next day’s voting. Your word carries weight here, as it should.
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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like calling "Pedro" "Jacque". Jacque Strop is pretty sweet.
In fact I’m already rooting for him way harder just so I can yell out Jacque! whenever he comes on in relief.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"My name is Pedro", said he,
“why do you not vote for me?”
Then Dirkie screamed “Jacque!”
now Strop is a lock,
and Lemon cries “what about me?”
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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
z and jp
when they post, I usually read it twice to make sure I understand exactly what they are saying. Those 2 guys got some serious baseball prospecty knowledge.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 12, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 12, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+4
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 12, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The anti-Lemon crowd
is not organized enough. We’ve split our votes for 3 or 4 guys, and we’ll probably let this Lemon group win with a weak plurality. Its like John McCain in the Republican primary
I hope the dirk is happy when Lemon wins with the lowest percentage of any of the candidates. Maybe we should just stop the voting at 25 prospects to keep it from happening.
by JBImaknee on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Lemon
is far from the worst choice on this list. He is neither underperforming (Hurley) or injured (Diamond) or old for his league. He has 1 recognizable skill right now, but it is the one that is the most difficult to learn. Why the hate?
by FirebatM3 on Dec 12, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I love his OBP skills. His defense isn’t that bad either, is it? What’s so much worse about Lemon that makes him a silly pick here when Vallejo was picked 10 spots ago?
by hiafex on Dec 12, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From MLBTradeRumors.com
Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker passes along a Japanese report from Sanspo: the Rangers are preparing a three-year offer for pitcher Koji Uehara worth more than $10MM. Newman says the Rangers like Uehara as a reliever yet he wants to start. The Mets have also expressed interest (link in Japanese).
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 12, 2008 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This would be better off in your morning news
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 12, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but why?
3mil for a non-closer? Didn’t they learn from last year’s signing, who spent the year in OKC?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Dec 12, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think those two are completely different calibers of pitchers
Uehara is pretty well regarded. Fukumori was panned by everyone but the Rangers.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is he LH?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 12, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hay JP,
the link in your profile is the old one.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 12, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I see that your still updating the old one.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it should be noted
that his K/BB rate over the past two years is 138:20, and in 2007 alone is was 66:4. That is pretty sick.
by clark on Dec 12, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strop or Gomez or Pimentel
Went Strop here. I like Murphy, Moreland, and the other guy :) but they just don’t measure up to the potential that these guys SEEM to have. IMO.
by bioaggie on Dec 12, 2008 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
When life gives you Lemon
you trade Joaquin Arias
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
by chrisR on Dec 12, 2008 11:25 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't need a reason
to trade Arias other than another team is willing to take him.
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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see
Someone else voting for Matt West.
by cmkelly29 on Dec 12, 2008 11:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
OT. Sickels top 20+ for Oakland:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/12/690649/oakland-athletics-top-20-p#comments
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 12, 2008 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
After reading through that
I’m even more confident that the Rangers system ranks just a tiny bit ahead of Oakland’s.
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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is comically low on Inoa. B-? Puh-leez.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By comically low you mean
he should be A-? I don’t know…
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 12, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, but that's
how he always grades that kind of player. At least he’s consistent.
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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Or something like that. I never really understood that quote. Hobgoblins always seemed pretty badass to me. Just running around wearing capes and hobgoblinning it up in a real quirky and fun kind of way.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s just that it indicates that it’s not him questioning Inoa specifically, but just a weird bias in general. That quote from Goldstein has stuck with me, the one where he’s asked where Inoa would rank amongst Rangers pitchers.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I sat up and took note of that. I thought of him as an immediate top 10 guy in the Ranger system but wow. I am already dreading the long years we’ll have to hear about him moving up through the minors if he doesn’t flame out or get hurt.
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by t ball on Dec 12, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Spider-Man villain as a kid.
i think hobgoblin’s a pretty cool guy. eh throws pumpkins and doesn’t afraid of anything.
by philkid3 on Dec 12, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels doesn't have great love for the top tier in Oak...
I have a feeling there will be a lot of complaining by the A’s faithful on this one.
I am real curious how the top 5 for Texas grades out as well as who he picks at 20-25 for Texas considering how hard Sickels grades low minors prospects.
by laxtonto on Dec 12, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
15 B's of some sort
Impressive. But only 2 B+’s and no A’s.
Sickels is a tough grader, but you’d have to think at least one of our top 3 hits an A- (probably Holland and Smoak – he seems to discount risk a lot, which is the one thing Feliz has against him). At the top, I think the Rangers have to have more A-‘s and B+’s.
But would we have 15 B’s total? I think the top 12 on this list are at least a B-, but I can’t see Sickels giving Boscan, NeRa, or Kiker a B-.
by JBImaknee on Dec 12, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I like about Sickels' grading system
is that you really have to earn being ranked as an A prospect. It makes it easier to see who is in the truly elite talent of the minor leagues and who is just a great prospect but still ahs a lot to prove.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 12, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time
he had teagarden at an A player last year…
he is def biased, but i dont think anyone uses one list as the end all of end alls…gotta put them all together
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. And it's also vastly superior to BA's "rank 'em only" philosophy.
If a guy isn’t in the top 100 you really don’t have anyway of determining what they think of a guy in the overall picture.
Grading and ranking >>>>> Just straight rankings with no grades.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So next "Community project"
go down your list and we vote on grades for each player. The catch is that a lower ranked player cannot get a better grade than the higher ranked player.
by JBImaknee on Dec 12, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
we’d have to make way for LSB 3.0 to pull off something that nuanced.
I think it’s a great idea though and would add a new wrinkle, certainly. We don’t need Thedir K. Atron getting lazy on us. That’s the last thing we would need.
After that, we can have Ben synthesize the lists and grades into a “community project analysis,” wherein he discounts the future production of the major league club based on LSB’s evaluations. Standard deviation?
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 12, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could do
principal components analysis on everyone’s votes to determine how different individuals cluster in their perspective of prospects. We’d probably get some clearly defined groups for the high-ceiling, high-risk lovers and the low-ceiling, low-risk comfort people. And then a few small clusters who cling to has beens like Diamond or guys with no real future like Lemon :)
by JBImaknee on Dec 12, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He gave 21 yo Henry Rodriguez a B-
“12) Henry Rodriguez, RHP, Grade B-: Opposite of Simmons: blistering stuff but big command problems”
Does NeRa have “blistering stuff”?
by hiafex on Dec 12, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holland
No chance IMO that he gets an A- if Cahill/Anderson didn’t. I think Feliz has the best chance at it, and Smoak has an outside chance, I think none get it though. I’m also guessing Teagarden will be very high on the list.
by groundingout on Dec 13, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strop it right now!
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Dec 12, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gomez to hell!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Dec 12, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pimentel it to your mother!
(I voted for Gomez, too, but I wanted to get in on the fun.)
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 12, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT. is NeRa a top 150 and if where? Thanks.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 12, 2008 2:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eh, probably not.
He went his first full season as a pro without pitching in a full season league and has some pretty big questions about his control and delivery. The stuff is there, but top 150 might be a bit high. Close though, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 12, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like today is the Lemon Party!
Someone should see if that url is taken.
by philkid3 on Dec 12, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn right you are.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 12, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
9 votes for Arias?
I guess they didn’t see him on TV triple bounce his throws from second…
by Goyogringo on Dec 12, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It takes a lot of skill
to triple bounce with accuracy
by JBImaknee on Dec 12, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our catcher in HS would attempt to bounce it off the top of the mound
he almost decapitated out star pitcher thta way one time lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 13, 2008 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There sure are a lot of you
Sippin that Lemon-aide.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Dec 12, 2008 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Lemonian era
Has begun!
Well… the Lemon-on-the-LSB-Community-Prospect-Project-list-ian era has begun at least.
by hiafex on Dec 12, 2008 11:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Cardenas vs. Marcus Lemon
I just looked at Cardenas’ numbers and im having a hard time seeing how he’s a top 8 or so prospect in the A’s orginization and Marcus Lemon isnt a top 25 in our system. There is some disconnect here, I just dont see how he’s that much better than Lemon.
quick comp:
Lemon – 19 to 20 yrs old in A+
~.295, .374, .434 OPS 808
Cardenas 20 yrs old in A+ and AA, mostly in A+ His numbers are better in A+ only, but not by a whole lot, he does have nice SB numbers, but not a ton of them.
~.296, .364, .399 OPS 763 -
They are very similar in that they are both SS who bat LH and will likely both move to 2B at some point. They both do a good job getting on base, with Lemon doing a slightly better job. Lemon has a little more power, but that might also be due to playing in the Cal league. The big thing that i think people get caught up with is that Cardenas is more ‘toolsy’, evident in that he has more speed. However, from an age, level, and productivity factor, Lemon is even with him if not better.
I just wanted to see what Cardenas looked like after seeing him ranked so high in the A’s system and i realized that Lemon has an almost identical statistical profile yet is ranked much lower.
by blalock84 on Dec 13, 2008 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry
about the line through Cardenas’ stats, im obviously clumsy with this posting system… Also of note, Lemon will be 20 starting out in AA next year, thats really young. I hope he can hold up this statistical profile, b/c then you have to consider him a very legit 2b prospect.
by blalock84 on Dec 13, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardenas
He has more power projection than Lemon, more arm strength than Lemon, and is considered a better athlete than Lemon.
Also, Lemon put up his numbers in A+ in a very hitter friendly league, while Cardenas spent most of 2008 in a very pitcher-friendly high-A league.
Basically, Cardenas has a lot more projectability than Lemon does.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
A’s fans overrate him just a tad in my opinion.
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by t ball on Dec 13, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
BA has him ranked #5 in the A’s system.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardenas
is by a lot of accounts, a butcher @ 2B. He is better because he hit better at a tougher league and in a tougher park. He’s about the same athletically as Lemon.
by FirebatM3 on Dec 13, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im not
so sure he was better overall in his A+ time, if you combine them both he really isnt better than lemon, and how much of a difference does it make to play in the FSL compared to the cal league, 10 points in his OPS?
by blalock84 on Dec 13, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardenas > Lemon
I don’t think it is even close. They aren’t in the same ballpark.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if only that was saying something
lets see a guy whose in the top 5 of a very strong farm system (top 5 in the game) vs someone whose probably not in the top 20 for another top 5 farm syseem
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 16, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A much better comparison
would be Cardenas and Andrus. I’d rate Andrus a bit higher, but it’s a LOT closer than Cardenas vs. Lemon.
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by t ball on Dec 13, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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