Rangers working on 3/10 Deal with Koji Uehara
by cstorm15 on Dec 12, 2008 10:14 AM CST
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Sanspo is reporting that Texas is working on 3-year, $10m+ proposal for Uehara. Team president Nolan Ryan is quoted as trusting Jim Colborn’s evaluation of Uehara, but they need a little more time to decide on a direction. The problem is, Texas prefers Uehara has a reliever, and he’s looking for a rotation job. The Mets met with Uehara’s agent in Las Vegas, and are planning to meet with him again. NY seems to prefer him in a bullpen role as well.
I'd add more commentary, but I know nothing about the guy. Does this qualify as a legitimate fanpost?
As an aside...why do we trust Jim Colborn's evaluations? Remind me what's so great about him.
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Great read, thanks.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Koji
I’m liking how JD and Co. have been going after pitchers with ‘clean mechanics’ of late…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I suspect that
if you could get him to stay in the bullpen, you’d have a nice contributor for a couple of years. He’s been a career starter but converted to the pen in 2007 and put up big numbers there. I’d think he’d compare pretty favorably with some of the relievers who have had success here.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 10:27 AM CST reply actions
shoot, you don't say...
+1
If he would go to the pen, i’m fine with this deal. I don’t want him blocking our young starters.
This year is important to give Hurley, Harrison, Feldman their shots.
Wait 'til the year after next
say it with me, unless something changes, eric hurley is not going to be a contriubtor to the rangers in 2010.
and probably wouldnt be better than uehara in the rotation this year or next.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get it
He listed three names: Hurley, Harrison, and Feldman.
Out of those three names, why is Hurley the one who is not going to be around in 2010?
no, i just have a problem with players/prospects that everyone thinks is very good when in reality they are not and have not been.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
check the stats:
hurley minor leagues
harrison minor leagues
hunter minor leagues
nippert minor leagues
hurley is not a top prospect
hurley is not going to be the savior of this org
unless something big changes hurley shouldnt be anything more than a #4 pitcher for the rangers, now if hes in petco he is better (FB tendencies) but still…hurley is not a top 10 prospect for the rangers.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm close to putting you
on the “block” list. Jeebers, we know already, you don’t think Hurley is shit.
Give it a rest, would ya?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
no, i just have a problem with players/prospects that everyone thinks is very good when in reality they are not and have not been.
Or maybe it’s just you then?
im not the only one who thinks hes shitty
bet on that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, but you’re the one who said “everyone thinks [he] is very good.”
Why is it so offensive to you that some people think that Hurley has a chance to be a servicable starter? I don’t think anyone is claiming that he’s a “top prospect” or “the savior of this org,” but #4 starters are useful too.
right
but do you think hes a top 10 prospect for the rangers?
and realize that many see him in the light as he is going to be a very good pitcher, when in fact nothing backs that up. he has no plus pitches, he gives up wayyy too many HR, he has yet to make the jump from AA to the “next level”, etc
hurley is not a bad prospect, and yes he is likely to reach his ceiling but he shouldnt be voted #10 in any rangers list…and i bet hes not on the rangers top 10 for BP either
and yes, some people still do see him as a great prospect, but he shouldnt sniff the top 100 and i doubt that he is a better pitcher than either harrison, feldman or even uehara in 2009 and probably not better than them in 2010 either unless somethig big happens (ie, danks learning the cutter, hurley learning how to not throw gopher balls, hurley getting back his lost few mph on his FB, etc)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
hurley
has a great shot at being better than all the people you listed and still probably has an outside shot at being a good #3
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
depends on how your rank prospects
some rank closest to majors > higher ceiling. i vote the second one.
who is a better prospect, a guy who is going to be solid and bounce around the majors for 3+ years or a guy who has a close to 50-50 shot of being a multiple time all-star or being a fringe guy?
also, blast me but dont blast JN for having him in the ~12 range on his prospect list…hurley isnt a gawd aweful pitcher (jason neighborgall) but lets be serious, he hasnt shown jack since he was in AA. and no, 4 starts arent something that should matter…small sample size.
and yes, he could be a #3 in petco. but the fact of the matter is that he is in TBiA and give up too many HR. yes, he could be a #3 but something pretty big would have to/need to change for him.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm confused
also, blast me but dont blast JN for having him in the ~12 range on his prospect list…
Are you saying that 12 is too high, too low, or about right?
you are making no sense
most people have him in the 10-14 range and they all agree that he is a good bet to be a #4 pitcher with an upside of being a #3.
Now, what is your problem?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Ah, so you're just grinding an axe about the Community Rankings
Would you have felt better if Hurley was ranked #14 instead of #10?
everyone?
The community seems to think he is the number 10 prospect in this system. You are picturing people saying Hurley is the number 1 prospect in this system when in reality, people think he is right around the 10th best while you probably think he should be a few spots lower. That’s not that big of a deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
hell none of them may be but to say that hurley is going to def. be better than uehara in 2009 and probably 2010 is foolish, and you can probably say the same for the others as well
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
what do you know about uehara that you think hurley won't be better
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
uehara has actually been good in the past at a higher level. hurley has not done shit above AA
i guarantee that if uehara comes ot the US that he has a better ERA+ than hurley in 2008.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 12, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Enough already...
with the Hurley rants KoK.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
no matter
how many people ask KoK to lay off the rants, its like hurler with his drinking, he’s not going to stop.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
lol
the difference is that im not stopping because i am right, meanwhile HH cant stop because…lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 13, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
I think this
would be a much, much better signing than Fukumori.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
And much better...
than trying to bring in Saito for a year as well imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
It doesn't look like there's much movement on his fastball.
It’s straight as an arrow.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 12, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Uehara
part of his problem is that he is neither very healthy nor is his stuff exceptional. Low 90s, high 80s moving fastball complimented with good off speed pitches. He’s an exceptional change of pace to hard throwers out of the pen, but given his age, injury history, and arsenal, I’m not sure using him as a starter is that helpful to anyone.
Koji Uehara
He would be an excellent sign for 3 years, $10 million. I suspect he would end up in the rotation if given an opportunity.
What happened to the Japanese pitcher from last year?
a waste of money….Im predicting the same thing happening again. and they want to make this guy a RP when he wants to be a SP. I say put that 10 mill to good use and buy some Sheets.
he sucked
the big difference is that was easy to predict. The guy had a 1.4 whip and several bad ERAs in japan. Uehara has a much better track record.
the preceding post was a great success.
By that logic
you just never sign another Japanese player, and I don’t think that makes sense.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think it does this time
He’s 33 and Im sure looked good in Japan, but your giving him 10 million for a #3 starter or bullpen arm at the back end of his career that could be going towards Sheets or Johnson. I think its one way of Hicks getting out of giving those other guys more money. “Well we didn’t think we were going to be able to sign those guys, so we went after the next best thing. (And saved me 15 mil so I can keep replacing the baby Jesus that George Bush steals off my lawn)”
Not ten million
3.3+ million, I believe. Very small investment if a guy really could be a nice setup man. If that keeps you from signing a Sheets, you need to pass the team along to someone else who can afford it.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I completely agree with that.
But I think it would with Hicks. Especially this year with the recession. If that 3 mil a year could be added to Sheets’ offer to guarantee him becoming a Ranger, I think its better spent that way. I think Uehara could be more easily replaced from within than a pitcher like Ben.
Well
I refuse to accept that level of cheapness, but I agree, if in reality that money could potentially be the difference between getting Sheets and not, I’d want to find out whether I’m getting him first.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
I prefer sticking to the plan.
Which means that we need to find out who will be a long term solution to the rotation. Right now who knows if it will be Harrison, Hurley, Feldman, Hunter, Rupe, Nippert, Mendoza, Gabbard, Mathis, or Murray. The only sure bet is that we would all love Feliz and Holland to be the front men in a year or two. I would be disappointed if we signed Johnson or Uehara for 1 or 2 yrs and that stunted the development of one or more of the above. Similar to the situation when Sammy Sosa came in and took the spot of Jason Botts. Sosa being here didn’t really solve any particular problem or increase our chances of making the playoffs.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
i dont think you can blame Sosa for Botts' lack of playing time or development
Botts just couldnt cut it.
/washington fucked the PT up
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 13, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
if Uehara
comes in and is our Setup man, then he’s no ones way. I dont have a problem with him being our setup man, and i think from every indication, he could be a nice setup man. At his age, he may not even be able to hold up for an entire MLB season as a SP and I dont think the Rangers would sign him as a SP.
There isnt a whole lot of risk in this signing, 3 million a year is less then Cats making now and is more than a good rate for a good RP.
let me help you narrow it down
rupe, no, nippert, no, mendoza, no, gabbard, no, mathis, no, murray, no…
you know
while alot of people would think it stupid, i really dont even wanna give much of a shot to any of the guys you just listed. Maybe use one or two of those guys in the last two spots in the bullpen, but nothing about their previous statistics suggest that they’ll anything better than below average. Id like to see us sign two to three guys like Uehara, RP on 2-4 million dollar contracts, guys who we now can be really good if healthy and effective. Seito, Gagne, Hoffman, Chad Cordero, there is a whole list of veteran RP who arent gonna recieve a ton of money in this market, we should take advantage of that and build oursevles a good bullpen for this year and next year when we really could be called legit contenders. We can build our SP from within, but to continually give mediocre or worse bullpen arms a chance when we can easily find better than replacement players elsewhere kinda seems stupid.
Thats just something i realized and hadnt really thought about b4
I don't thik that
people should think that not bending over backwards to give guys like Mathis and Murray opportunity after opportunity is a mistake. These guys are not John Danks, Edinson Volquez, Neftali Feliz or Derek Holland. They are not talents that you’re building your staff around, and they’re not guys about whom people will look back and question management for not giving them enough of a chance. Fans often confuse fringy young pitchers with talented young pitchers.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 13, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
+1
saito/uehara >> mathis/murry/eyre – not only this year but probably in 2010 as well
unless something earthshattering happens (danks learning the cutter)
these are guys who are at the end of the 25 man roster at their ceilings. are they gawd-aweful, no. are they GOOD? no. so why should we not sign someone who we know is almost for sure going to have an impact for the rangers in 2009 and 2010 for a guy who hasnt been good in AAA and probably will not be good at the ML level?
its one thing to take a chance on someone with great stuff, but with struggles (juan cruz a few yrs ago, volquez, etc) over someone like doug mathis. is there anyone on here would RATHER have mathis than someone liek volquez when he was sent to A? juan cruz when he was traded from the cubs?
would you rather have a guy who on a 1-10 scale is going to be a 4 almost for sure or a guy who is going to be an 8 or a 2? — would you rather have mathis or juan cruz circa 2004-5-6?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 13, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
An 8 or a 2.
That always happens to me when I drink too much, and drag something home. You know, you wake up at 3:30am to use the potty, and you kinda sneak around the bed and try to get a look in the dark…is she an 8, or a 2…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
heh
good thing about not drinking is i dont have that problem lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 13, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Warp Speed Ahead!!!
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