Wow
by Adam J. Morris
on Dec 12, 2008 1:45 PM CST
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How big is C.C. Sabathia? This big:
The Yankees must complete the details of Sabathia’s deal, like how much he will make each season, and Sabathia — who is 6 feet 7 inches and 311 pounds — must pass a physical.
A 311 pound pitcher got a 7 year contract.
UPDATE -- It reminds me of this story on David Wells, which included this amusing item:
Lefthander David Wells couldn't last long enough to get the win against the Rangers despite taking a 9-0 lead into the third inning, prompting Torre to barbecue the plump lefthander for being overweight and, at times, careless on the mound. Wells later met with Torre and Stottlemyre to try to persuade them that he's a team player—all the while laying out his personal needs, such as being allowed to pitch deep into games and to keep the weight on in order to feel strong.
I think saying you need to keep the weight on in order to feel strong is a great excuse for not getting in shape.
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Holy crap.
That’s the largest I’ve heard. He’s listed on Yahoo! Sports at 290, and he’s listed at Baseball Reference at 250 (heh).
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by ghtd36 on
Dec 12, 2008 1:49 PM CST
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Sabathia
This contract is going to blow up in the Yankees’ face. They gave all this money to a guy who was horrible at the beginning of last season with the Indians, settles down to solid-if-unspectacular, gets traded to Milwaukee who put a zillion innings on his arm, gets lit up in the playoffs and is now headed for the cauldron of New York City at over 3 bills. Not good.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on
Dec 12, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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Especially
if he’s one of those guys that uses food for comfort.
by Taylor on
Dec 12, 2008 2:01 PM CST
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He was horrible for about 6 games. . .
. . . and that makes this a bad contract?! Small sample size much?
His tRA+ was 127 in Cleveland last year, which is exactly what someone Josh Beckett put up in ’04, ’05 and ’08. And that was only part of the season, where a few bad starts had more weight than they would in an entire year. He put up 141 his last full year in the AL, which is not far behind what he put up in his short season with Milwaukee.
People are putting way too much weight on that handful of games, I guess so that they can hate on the Yankees or because they want to tear down a player who is actually really good or whatever, I honestly don’t know why. It’s a small sample, giving it more weight than the rest of his season or career makes no sense whatsoever.
Furthermore, in this deal, to be worth it, he’d have to be worth about 4 1/2 to 5 wins above replacement, I’d believe, next year and fewer every season to be earning his paycheck. You don’t think that’s reasonable for 28 year old CC Sabathia?
The wear on his arm is a legitimate question, but leaping to the idea that this is guaranteed to blow up in the Yankees’ face like a forgone conclusion is just wishful thinking and not intelligent analysis.
by philkid3 on
Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM CST
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I don't think his weight
is a problem for next year, I think the concern is that it is a 7 year contract. Would you really be surprised if the tail end of that contract is paying a guy to eat twinkies after he is out of baseball?
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
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by DJCahill on
Dec 12, 2008 2:18 PM CST
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Nope. I wouldn't be at all
But at the current rate of inflation, what would he have to be putting up to be worth his money then? About 2.5-3 wins above replacement?
At 34, do you think two and a half wins above replacement is that much of a stretch for CC?
(Note: this is an estimate that may be off, I’m no math expert.)
by philkid3 on
Dec 12, 2008 2:48 PM CST
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Isn't this really a three year deal with a lot of options?
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on
Dec 12, 2008 2:17 PM CST
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I’m 6-5 200 and that’s considered buff.
He is only 2 inches taller than me and weighs over 110 pounds more……
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
by miles on
Dec 12, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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BEAST!
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on
Dec 12, 2008 2:05 PM CST
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hey, me too.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on
Dec 12, 2008 3:26 PM CST
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except i'm considered a twig.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on
Dec 12, 2008 3:27 PM CST
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Sabathia
I’ll be shocked if he’s healthy for half that contract.
but the yankees can afford costly mistakes in contract signings
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 12, 2008 1:57 PM CST
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well, atleast he doesn't scap load
improperly. I’m all about this scap loading all of a sudden, late to the game, but oh well…
oh, lovely gut.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 12, 2008 1:58 PM CST
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gotta be a weight clause in there, i would think...
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 12, 2008 2:00 PM CST
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this is what it would be like
if cecil fielder was a pitcher
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM CST
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I don't know...
I see him entering Refrigerator Perry range during the 2nd half of this contract
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on
Dec 12, 2008 4:08 PM CST
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Like a blue whale spittin’ a mustard seed at ya.
by shroomer on
Dec 12, 2008 2:03 PM CST
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this made me a bit sad though
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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Yes he can hide
the ball, shorstop, 2B and CF from the batter with his big jub jub gut.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on
Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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he can also hide a sandwhich or snack around that gut
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on
Dec 12, 2008 2:28 PM CST
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heh
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on
Dec 12, 2008 2:32 PM CST
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my new thing is pronation/suppination
seems like he is already pronated a lot right there such that he can’t pronate much more.
of course, i coudl be totally wrong
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on
Dec 12, 2008 2:05 PM CST
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Well...
He is throwing a change up.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Dec 12, 2008 2:19 PM CST
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Well
Now we can stop giving a shit on how much Milwood comes in at every spring.
by SaltyGoesYard on
Dec 12, 2008 2:08 PM CST
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Well if Millwood
Could pitch like CC I wouldn’t give a shit
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on
Dec 12, 2008 2:15 PM CST
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hey hey hey it's C C Sabathia!
I wouldn’t mind having a fat ass like that on the Rangers that can pitch like that.
We just get the fat asses who can’t pitch.
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on
Dec 12, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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311 lbs
It’s the new 220.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 12, 2008 2:19 PM CST
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The internet has a memory
all you posters saying that you wanted the Rangers to shell out the big bucks for CC… we know who you are. When he weighs more than our whole outfield combined in 3 years and can’t throw more than 4 innings a game, you’ll be sorry….
by JBImaknee on
Dec 12, 2008 2:26 PM CST
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My excuse for keeping the weight on?
It makes my penis look less gigantic.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on
Dec 12, 2008 2:27 PM CST
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heh, when people ask about my ample belly
I tell them that a power tool like I have (grab crotch for effect) deserves to be parked under a shed.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 12, 2008 2:30 PM CST
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OH MY lanta :)
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on
Dec 12, 2008 2:33 PM CST
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Jamey just sent this out
Florida is willing to trade Ryan Tucker for Max Ram do you do it? I think I would.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on
Dec 12, 2008 3:37 PM CST
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hoping someone can fill in some details on Tucker
but I don’t think so. Tucker’s numbers don’t look all that impressive and, of course, I’m a pretty big believer in Max.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 12, 2008 3:42 PM CST
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Small sample size in the bigs
His minor league numbers look good though.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on
Dec 12, 2008 3:43 PM CST
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Looks like he is a power arm
that will end up at the back of the bullpen. Great Fastball and change, but no 3rd pitch.
I like the idea that Texas and Florida are having talks, but I am not sold on him as the premier prospect in this deal.
by laxtonto on
Dec 12, 2008 3:46 PM CST
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I don't know
I’m just going off what numbers I’m looking at.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on
Dec 12, 2008 3:50 PM CST
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bullpen arm
At first glance, that was my impression as well, and I wouldn’t trade a middle of the order masher for a late inning reliever personally.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 12, 2008 3:51 PM CST
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maybe he has some great scouting profile
but i dont think his minor league rate numbers are really all that impressive.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Dec 12, 2008 3:51 PM CST
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me either.
not worthy of Max.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 12, 2008 3:52 PM CST
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Yup.
He’s also listed as a 3 star prospect by Goldstein in the Marlins BP top 10.
At least get a starter if you’re going to trade Max.
by LiamP on
Dec 12, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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I just wish they would just go ahead and put Max in as the DH
no need to go buy one or trade for one. We have one…
Keep either one of Tea and Salty, and let Max C/DH/1B where/when he can…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 12, 2008 3:53 PM CST
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okay Atlanta
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 12, 2008 3:57 PM CST
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Yankees
buying an entirely new rotation? god i fucking hate the yankees.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 12, 2008 3:58 PM CST
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Report is that
Yanks have reached agreement with AJ Burnett at 5 years/82 million. Rich get richer.
by jonthefon on
Dec 12, 2008 4:02 PM CST
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the rich get richer
and the Rangers get Jason Jennings.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on
Dec 12, 2008 4:03 PM CST
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Risky, though
CC has weight issues (probably an understatement) and Burnett has pitched more than 170 innings only twice in the last six years.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
by chrisR on
Dec 12, 2008 4:24 PM CST
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i really hate the yankees
at least we can hope now they dont bid on sheets
of course, the teams who wanted burnett might.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Dec 12, 2008 4:07 PM CST
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I have to hope...
that teams like the Braves, Dodgers, and Brewers will all try and get in on Millwood once Lowe signs somewhere.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Dec 12, 2008 4:44 PM CST
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How on earth does one sell Kevin Millwood?
“He looks mean on the mound.”
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on
Dec 12, 2008 4:58 PM CST
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Lol
Sickels goes through 26 with the A’s, however no “A” grades…that type of tough grading might mean no “A’s” for the Rangers as well? We’ll see…I can’t wait until those rankings come out next week…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 12, 2008 4:27 PM CST
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Didn't Sickels
already say Feliz was an A?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 12, 2008 5:02 PM CST
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