Players being non-tendered
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 9:11 PM CST
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PrintEvan Grant reports the Rangers have non-tendered Doug Mathis, although they hope to re-sign him as a minor league free agent. No word on Willie Eyre and whether he was tendered a contract. Willie Eyre was tendered a contract. So much for my tricksy Rangerses theory.
Names of players around the majors who have been non-tendered are dribbling in, and thusfar include:
Willy Taveras
Jonny Gomes
Takashi Saito
Yhency Brazoban
Angel Berroa
Scott Proctor
Chuck James
Tim Redding
Chris Capuano
Ty Wigginton
Clay Hensley
I shall add more names as I see them.
The Rangers are looking for a righty-hitting DH, supposedly, and I'd be interested in taking a look at Gomes, who looked like a stud in the making as a rookie in 2005, and has struggled since.
And I'm sure they'll touch base with Wigginton, although I'm betting he's going to end up with a 2-3 year deal at $5 million or so per year.
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Mmm... Willy Tavarez.
If we deal Byrd I’d love to bring in Tavarez as a one year bridge to Bourbon.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Tavaras
is a future building block fa sho.
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The problem is...
…I cannot tell if these sorts of comments are serious or not.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
In this case you do
Really fast, crappy player = completely serious.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
I would.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I like defense
Can he play D? If so, then im interested.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
He's below average defensively.
But, for a third baseman, he’s been above-average with the bat. He was about 10 runs above average last season, offensively.
So overall, he’s roughly average. I can live with an average third baseman next season.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
At the cost you estimated, though?
I think we’d be better served to roll with a Metcalf or someone else who is potentially 10 runs above average defensively. We won’t need much offense from 3B next year, as far as I could imagine.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by inactive lsb user on Dec 12, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
My feelings exactly.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Let's assume Metcalf is 10 runs above average defensively
That seems optimistic, but okay…
He’s probably a .240 EQA guy. That’s about -20 runs, offensively.
That makes him 10 runs below average overall. And that assumes that he’s one of the best defensive 3B in the league.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Davis appears to be a bad defensive third baseman. And he isn’t likely to stay there long-term, so you are sticking him at a position he isn’t suited to and won’t be playing down the road so you can have Hank Blalock at 1B and someone else at DH.
The question isn’t whether Davis would be worse than Wigginton…it is whether Davis at 3B, Blalock at 1B, and whomever at DH is better or worse than Wigginton at 3B, Davis at 1B, and Blalock at DH (or Blalock being traded, giving you whomever at DH plus whatever you get for Blalock).
If you could get Wigginton for, say, 1 year, $4-5 million, I’d be all over that. I might even consider a 2 year deal at $9 million or so, on the theory that, unless he completely goes into the tank, he’s movable the offseason after this one, when you are going to want to move Young to 3B.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Young to 3B
Despite the fact that, absent somehow being able to get rid of him, moving Young to 3B is what they should do, I see nothing to indicate that’s actually the plan.
by Darrell McKown on Dec 13, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
What would indicate that?
I don’t think they should just announce it now. There is no reason that they can’t just address it once Andrus or another SS is ready and available.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 13, 2008 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Well
They moved Davis off of 3B to 1B this past offseason, and have shown no inclination they want to move him back to 3B, even with Smoak now here.
They have shown no interest in dealing Elvis Andrus.
They have shown no interest in finding a long-term third baseman.
And Sullivan, I know, has said that the team has discussed moving Young to 3B at some point down the road.
Clearly, they aren’t going to come right out and say, “Michael Young is going to move to third base in the next year or two.” That’s not realistic.
But they are grooming a stud shortstop prospect who is a year or two away and is supposed to be a very good defender, and they are doing nothing to address the fact that third base is a black hole in the system right now, and they are doing nothing more than looking at one year options and contemplating Travis Metcalf to address that.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
anecdotal support
In all of the JD Q&A sessions at the Newberg events, I have only observed JD avoid one question. He is remarkably forthcoming in those sessions. The only question that I remember him skimming around was when he was directly asked, “what are you going to do with Michael Young when Elvis Andrus is ready?”. He basically said that he wasn’t going to touch that question right now, but his body language and expression really seemed to indicate that he knew full well, and he realized that a large part of the room realized full well, exactly what he planned on doing with Michael Young when Andrus is ready. You probably had to be there to understand what I mean by my interpretation, but it is pretty clear in my head that Young to third base when Andrus is ready is completely settled in the front office, it’s just a matter of when.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
could Kinsler play 3rd?
isn’t Young back at 2nd the ideal situation here?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Why Kinsler at 3B and Young at 2B?
Instead of the other way around?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
it just seems to me like Young's a natural fit there
he has an arm, but does he have the range to cover 3rd adequately? wouldn’t you run into the same problem you have at SS with his range? don’t more balls head down the 3rd base line/between SS than 2nd base? does Ian have the arm?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 13, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
You need more range...
…for 2B than for 3B.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
so 3rd is the unquestionable place for Young in the future?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Lowest liability position?
Yes, I think so.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Nice
So what is the cost for DeRosa?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Alex Gorden
Interested? Pretending that Michael Young isn’t our long term SS solution. Moustakas is knocking on the door in Kansas City.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Alex Gordon
He’d cost a hell of a lot more than we’d be interested in giving up.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Teagarden?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Me too
But a deal revolving around one of our catchers could make a lot of sense for both teams.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Why?
Why would we give up one of our catchers, plus something, to bring Gordon here?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
IF
Michael Young isn’t your long term 3B solution.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Even if he isn't...
…I don’t see that going out and trading for Gordon, given what he’ll cost and given his limitations and the fact he may have to move to first base anyway before long, makes sense.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
If that's the case
then it doesn’t make sense at all… I had no idea how he was viewed defensively.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
You could have just said that
right off the bat.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Moustakas really isn't knocking on the door
and more than likely they’re going to move him to RF and keep Gordon at 3B.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
You are right
I thought he was in AA already.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Pretty High
Assuming he was somewhat of a sticking point in the Peavy negotiations, then the Cubs will want something pretty significant for him, probably some good young pitching or infield help.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Except that
with the Rangers’ pitching staff they should get all the runs they can.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
i think he benefitted a lot from minute maid
that park suits him well.
i dont think hes too great, but hes probably better than metcalf anyway. i don’t believe metcalf’s defense is much better than average from what ive seen, and I seem to remember some stats that suggested the same.
i still think davis looked alright at 3b though.
the preceding post was a great success.
Metcalf defense
Looks about average to me also. Certainly haven’t seen much to think that his defensive play would be some huge asset.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
All other Rangers tendered contracts...
…per the press release.
"Hold up that (expletive) Cubs (expletive). (Expletive) them." -- Patti Blagojevich.
Actually I just checked my inbox
And Jamey says Doug Mathis has been non-tendered.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Confirmation from the DMN
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/rangers-non-tender-doug-mathis.html
Quick, someone do a fanpost.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Here we go
I deserve one of these:
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
I know he had a sorta rough year last year
but I’d look into Capuano. I’m sure Maddux can tell the Rangers if he’s worth going after though. I can’t imagine he’d be that expensive.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 12, 2008 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
I like the Gomes
idea. Nothing can cure a hitter like the ballpark and Rudy. I think Scott Proctor would be interesting to look at as well. Is he healthy?
by Michael Cave on Dec 12, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
From rotoworld
Proctor finally broke down last season and underwent elbow surgery after the season. He’s expected to be ready for spring training, but it looks like he’ll finally escape Joe Torre’s grasp.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Proctor
Depends what you mean by healthy. Had “minor” elbow surgery in mid-October and is supposed to be ready for spring training, though I doubt he’ll be completely ready by that point.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
If only we could get rid of Catalanotto
Gomes would be a perfect candidate for that 5th OF/PH/DH spot on the roster. He’s got some pop, which would indeed play well at the RBiA, and he’s also got a 124 tOPS+ against LHP for his career. Don’t really know how he is defensively, but I do believe I’ve seen TB use him as a defensive replacement a couple times.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Gomes as a defensive replacement.
Only if Benjie Molina was playing in the OF. Or maybe Raul Ibanez.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
but he brings the "tough guy" mentality
now that Milton’s going out the door…that’s gotta be worth something, right?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 13, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Capuano
I don’t think he’s going to be able to pitch next season.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ah
didn’t know he was out that long
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 12, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
really? Like who...
i would not sign any of those players…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Ty Wigginton
Is probably just as good, if not better an option for 3B in 2009 than anyone else available.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
yep
I’d much rather have him than Metcalf assuming the price isn’t too bad.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 12, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Capuano had Tommy John May 16th.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I might have interest in a couple of them, but
I was more saying interesting in a literal sense. Some of them have had very quick ascensions and descents, some of them were very nice players very recently, but it’s interesting how injuries have made them not worth fairly meager salaries. I mean rewind a year or so and almost have of those guys are nearly all star caliber guys.
But as far as who I’d be intrigued by, Saito would interest me, depending on just how iffy his health is, and James would definitely interest me if I thought that he might be able to come back and be himself once he’s healthy again. And Wigginton is obviously nothing special, but I could sure handle watching him better than Metcalf day-in and day-out, personally.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Saito is interesting since he is actually really good if healthy - unlike the others on the list
Here is a hypothetical with Wigginton: suppose that he and Crede can be signed for the same contract, which would you take?
Several of those pitchers were not bad before they started dealing with injuries. Saito was definitely the class of the group, though.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 12, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Crede
was my initial reaction, and I think I’ll stick with him. But it’s closer than I originally thought. If Crede is healthy, he’s the better player. Unfortunately, I don’t think he can stay healthy all year. Wigginton has only had one or two seasons where he’s had everyday at bats, but I’m not as familiar with him so it could be because he’s always been part of a platoon. In a perfect world, I’d go Crede… in the real world I think I just convinced myself to go Wigginton.
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
Crede
I’d want some affirmation from the medical staff that he was in reasonably good shape physically, however.
Wigginton hemorrhages runs defensively, but it’s fairly close.
by Joey Matschulat on Dec 13, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
whats the injury report on James??
Maybe could take a chacne on him…
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
where are you going to put him?
our clog of borderline major league pitchers is already large enough
Ugly
Had surgery late in the season on his throwing shoulder, both labrum and and rotator cuff. Out until at least July, though likely out for the year.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 12, 2008 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
relievers
I am astonished that so many decent pitchers were cut lose. I would be willing to take a look at a number of them, and the Rangers should be particularly aggressive pursuing the ones in bold:
(LHP) John Bale
Joe Nelson
(LHP) Tyler Johnson
Matt Belisle
Daniel Cabrera
Takashi Saito
Scott Proctor
Clay Hensley
Chris Britton
(LHP) Wil Ledezma
i wonder why britton hasnt gotten more of a chance
i was expecting to see him have poor minor league numbers this year or something,
his worst rate stats in a while, but not bad.. 2.28 era at least.
the preceding post was a great success.
the Yankees' bullpen
was just completely stacked last year. They never really gave this guy a chance, but he could be a very useful piece to some team’s bullpen. he has the stuff to be a late inning guy.
Stuff
Britton doesn’t really have late-inning stuff, but he’s good enough to be a quality middle reliever. He’s more of an upper-80s, keep-you-off-balance type of guy that mixes in a lot of breaking stuff.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 13, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
joe nelson
i probably should have him in bold as well. he was just sick last year with the Marlins, and he has always had great stuff when he is healthy. he could have been a one year anomaly last year, but then again, he could have turned a career corner like Mahay did. He is effective against both LH and RH hitters, so he could be a legitimate late inning guy if he stays healthy. in 54 innings last year, he had a 60:22 K:BB and carried a WHIP of 1.19. I would be happier giving him a guaranteed two year deal than giving Uehara a three year deal, I think.
i really can't believe the Marlins couldn't trade him
he was only asking for 800k and is under control for another three years.
Nelson
I thought the same thing until I noticed that he’s already 34 and that he doesn’t have any breaking stuff to speak of. He’s almost a straight fastball-changeup guy that relies on a 10 mph difference between the two. He doesn’t really keep stuff on the ground too much, either. I’m starting to think that the Marlins know something more than we do about him.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 13, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
how about Cabrera
in the pen?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 13, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
It is curious
that they’ve never tried him there for an extended period. I know that they really, really wanted to develop him into a frontline starter, and his lack of control is an issue anywhere. But if you consider his profile and how frustrating he continued to be, why not give it a try somewhere in there, particularly in the last two years when it’s been pretty clear that he wasn’t developing as a starter? He has 146 starts and one relief appearance (his rookie year) in his career.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be interesting
But his stuff has declined so much over the last two years or so. I don’t know if something is going on with his arm or he’s just declining, but he worries me.
Anyone have...
ESPN insider?
They have a rumor central alert about the 3 teams in the mix for Sheets. I’m assuming that the Rangers are one of those teams along with maybe the Dodgers, Yankees, or Braves? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
ESPN “insider” blows.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Insider
The Rangers have been open about their interest in free agent right-hander Ben Sheets and the feeling is mutual, MLB.com reported.
“It is our policy to refrain from comment on any specific talks with clubs, but it is fair to say that Ben does have sincere interest in the Rangers,” Sheets’ agent, Casey Close, said by e-mail to the website on Friday.
The Yankees and the Braves could also get involved with Sheets, according to Major League sources. The Rangers’ one advantage is Sheets is from Louisiana and has a home in Dallas.
The Yankees have already reached deals with CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett and general manager Brian Cashman also met with Andy Pettitte this week in an attempt to get him to return. But Sheets could be a viable option if Pettitte does not return, MLB.com reported.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Will somebody trade Millwood so we can sign this guy already?
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
signing sheets
shouldnt depend on trading millwood but unfortunately it seems that it does
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
exactly!
This will either wind up being a kick in the balls or champagne corks popping.
So put your cups on boys, just in case.
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 13, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm already calling it...
The Yankees sign Sheets as well.
by death of the cool on Dec 13, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
There's also this by Tom Haudricourt
Not sure if it’s been posted elsewhere here:
It’s my understanding that Sheets is more likely to sign with the Texas Rangers, who are being encouraged by new pitching coach Mike Maddux, the former Brewers’ pitching coach.
by brettgardner on Dec 13, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
The
“More likely” is in relation to the Yanks.
by brettgardner on Dec 13, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Daniel Cabrera
It appears he was non tendered. Hes always given me slight intrigue.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Money
The problem is that the Rangers seem unwilling to take on money this offseason, and Cabrera will be getting around $4 million ($2.8 last season).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 13, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Well
I’d like to see him in the pen. He’s only a two pitch pitcher and though the heat has fallen off recently I’d like to think if he only has to face 3 batters he might be able to find it again.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Cabrera
His stats and his stuff have both completely fallen off the table over the last few years. 8-10, 5.25 ERA, 5.61 FIP, 95 Ks, 90 BBs, 180 IP. That’s not good.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 13, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
his walk rate is
atrocious
i cant even see him being a 5 inning pitcher in this heat.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 13, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
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