LSB Community Prospect Project: #30 (Last One!)
by thedirkatron on Dec 17, 2008 4:45 AM CST
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After 230 mostly real votes, Mitch Moreland has won the right to be called the LSB Community #29 prospect!
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
17. RHP, Wilmer Font
18. RHP, Omar Poveda
19. LHP, Robbie Ross
20. RHP, Tommy Hunter
21. RHP, Thomas Diamond
22. RHP, Joe Wieland
23. LHP, Tim Murphy (Tie)
23. OF, Greg Golson (Tie)
25. RHP, Warner Madrigal
26. SS, Marcus Lemon
27. RHP, Kennil Gomez
28. RHP, Pedro Strop
29. 1b/OF/LHP, Mitch Moreland
Time to move on to the vote for #30.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
- Corner Infielders
- Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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C-Mur.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Pimentel again
I’m sad this sis last one. I live for these.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Im all
torn up, but i had it narrowed to two choices, two guys with a ton of upside. Clark Murphy and Tomas Telis to me have what could be the most upside. I obviously dont know this for sure, but it seems like either one have the ability to be plus ML level players if they develop well, while the other positional players on the list may not have that upside. Meanwhile, the pitchers are so even to me its really hard for me to distinguish which one i would have gone with, although Carlos Pimentel does stand out to me.
I ended up going with Telis after looking at his DSL stats. Its rare to see a guy strikeout less than he walks at 17 and the fact that he plays a premium defensive position (whether its SS or his new position at C) helps him alot as well. While Murphy may be a better hitter no matter what down the road, it Telis can stay at catcher and continue to get on base, he could be an above average player way down the line. Im not totally sold on my reasoning, but i still went with Telis.
my question
isnt he 5’8"?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 17, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
its hard enough for me to vote on a guy based on DSL stats…but add in that hes 5’8" and i cant even vote on projection
anyway, what is there to like for him over macumba?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 17, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Why does height matter that much for a catcher?
He’s supposedly a pretty darn good athlete. Originally signed to a pretty nice bonus as a SS (or at least it was reported he was a SS) so he should have a pretty nice athletic foundation to work with. His footwork and arm skills should theoretically be a strength back there.
Plenty of really good catchers have been short guys. If he’s really 5’8" then he’s taller than a certain former catcher of ours who I always thought was pretty good.
He’s my personal favorite of the non-big three young catchers, though they’re all pretty close at this point.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 17, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I always read/heard Pudge was 5'9
I met him once. Seemed about right, but it is hard to tell when someone is 6-8 inches shorter.
Are you saying Pudge was 5’7-8?
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 17, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. I stood next to him for a pic once.
He’s 5’7" or 5’8".
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 17, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
yep
we came to the golf course I used to work at. I was taller than him by an inch or so and I"m 5’9"
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 17, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
*he came to the golf course
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 17, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
there is short and theres 5’8"
lol
anyway yes he can grow but damn. 5’8" is short for a MLB player
and pudge was a freak….lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 17, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, it's short for an MLB player, but it's not crazy short, especially for a C.
Russell Martin and Dioner Navarro are both listed at 5’10", though that seems mighty generous to me.
In general catching is a position where you can succeed as a short guy.
His height doesn’t bother me at all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 17, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
De Los Santos
is a very promising defensive prospect, but he is still very raw. Telis is raw as well, but I think his skill set makes him a more projectable prospect.
His arm is strong (not Macumba strong), and he is already putting in the work to be a decent receiver. His offensive skills are pretty advanced for such a young player. I was surprised at his bat control and pop.
Don’t forget that he doesn’t turn 18 years old until June of ‘09. He might only be 5’8’’ now, but that doesn’t mean that is where he will end up.
How much do you expect him to grow?
I’ve heard of late growth spurts, but I can’t imagine a 17 year old growing more than an inch or two, if that after that age.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I expect him to add 2.5 inches in height
Seriously, I’m not sure. I just don’t think we can assume he is finished with the growth process. It’s not that uncommon for men to continue growing into their early twenties.
And, who cares?
I don’t mind short catchers as long as they’re quick and can field the position. Tall catchers give me more pause. Short guys seem to be able to handle the grind of squatting and popping up hundreds of times a day every single day for years and years.
If he ends up at 5’8" or 5’9" that’s just fine by me.
I’m just as intrigued by his tool set as you are, Parksy-Warksy. I’m excited to see what he can do in ’09 in the AZRL.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 17, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I did
Added nearly 4 inches and 35 lbs between 17 and 18.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 17, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I was told I'd do just that...
I added the 35 pounds, but a decade later, I’m still waiting to grow up instead of out
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 17, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
I wrestled at 5'7" 128/135 as a sophomore,
and ended up 6’ 185.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Did you hook up with Linda Fiorentino?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
Right over my head there…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Santana
Changed to him after seeing this is the end of the prospect list. He won’t make it but I can’t write off that player.
Go Strangers.
last year's composite rankings
Interesting to compare this year’s list with a composite of last year’s rankings. I just noticed that he didn’t include the LSB rankings. So much for his credibility. :)
http://tinyurl.com/Flight-engineer-s-composite
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
its crazy
to think what this system would look like if we werent forced to graduate Harrison and Davis.
Also, i just feel a whole lot better about the overall depth from top to bottom this year. Alot of the guys that have emerged in the lower levels really werent in the picture last year. Thats the big difference that makes us the Number 1 system in baseball.
How could I have forgotten
Scott Lucas’ list? I am sorry Scott.
Does Whittleman get some type of award for dropping completely off the LSB list after being #13 last year?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Oops
Didn’t hang around here much last offseason, so that’s why it’s not included…I can any other missing rankings for this offseason…just drop me a link
by fightingengineer on Dec 17, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hey hey, FE!
What’s up?
Long time, no type…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
hey hey hey
Not much going on…just been doing a lot of lurking…took some time off this summer to do a baseball trip (http://baseballtour08.blogspot.com) and started a new job down in Austin…planning on taking in plenty of OKC games at RR next season!
by fightingengineer on Dec 17, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Coolness!
You should post over here more often. Unfortunately, I tend to stay away from NMLR lately…too many trolls over there.
Wow, that looks like a once in a lifetime trip. I’m sure you enjoyed it. I’ll read the blog later tonight.
Make sure you make it up for the Newberg Event this summer, I’ll sneak a beer into RBiA for ya’! :)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Pimentel,
and a big thanks to the thedirkatron for setting up these polls.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
+1
Dirk A. Tron is the man when it comes to prospect polls.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
I echo the sentiments of these fine gentlemen.
I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this, tron. A hat tip to you good sir.
by JimCrankshaft on Dec 17, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Pimentel
I went with him because thats what all the cool people are doing.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
we are so deep right now
The fact that either Pimentel or Clark Murphy will be outside of our top-30 is freakin wonderful. Flameout probability looks about even for these two, but while Pimentel looks to be a #3/4 starter if he makes it to the bigs, Clark Bar looks like he could be a good power hitter with a decent average if he makes it all the way. Like a Chris Davis-lite, perhaps.
Seems like a Hank to me
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Cristian Santana...
I think he could have a breakout year this coming season.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Also
And he turns 20 this year. So this year or next, it would be great to see him reach the scouting potential from when he was 16.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 17, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Very nice...
interesting that you see him as the guy with the highest ceiling outside the top 25. Good stuff.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
hey JP
how do you activate the links that you put in your sig?
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
As Seiler pointed out
His achilles heel would seem to be his atrocious average vs RH pitchers. I did not read any scouting reports that suggested he had this problem in 07, though he could have (can’t seem to find that stat for 07). This seems like it could be a fatal problem despite his power potential and athleticism. How do you teach a guy to learn how to hit RH at age 20? What are your thoughts about this?
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
2007 Stats
Minor League Splits has Santana’s 2007 if you look in the upper right-hand corner of his profile. He hit .312/.413/.559 against righties, but with a .426 BABIP. 29 Ks in 93 ABs. The BABIP is definitely not sustainable.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 20, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
This is nothing new...
…but looking at the guys getting left off of the Top 30 is mind-boggling..
Zach, Macumba, Fabio, Telis, Bleier, and West (among others) missing out is absolutely crazy.
What's the rumpus?
so Pimentel looks like he'll get it
and he drops a spot from last year
Wait 'til the year after next
Not adjusted for inflation.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Which actually means he got better
How weird is that. A guy drops in the rankings but yet still improved. We have such a huge amount of talent is the only way thats possible
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I love that Juan Polanco got a vote.
Kinda like the folks last winter who bet on Tampa to go to the World Series.
Go Strangers.
Yeah, good job on these Huntressa
I haven’t had much time to enjoy them lately, but I only keed when I ask if you’re still doing em.
Lot of work involved. Clint and I proclaimeth salutations from most high…
Nah, noob.
A hearty fist-bump of respect back at you, Sauce...
…and a big old goopy puddle of day-old dog semen for Clint.
God does he suck. The trailer for Gran Turismo: The Musical or whatever his new movie is called looks butt ass terrible.
It looks like a less nuanced version of Crash, only with more growling and slightly less Brendan Frasier.
I mean… WTF?
Did he have some sort of surgery where he literally had his hands replaced with hams? He’s awful. He needs to stop doing movies. I hate him so much.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 18, 2008 4:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yay Arias!
2nd place! That practically means he’s #31, so lets put him on the list for the sake of Miles.
Could I ask you for a very brief Beau Jones scouting report?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Sure
Lively fastball in the low-mid 90s. Excellent curve that shows plus potential (50/60), solid change. He struggles with command. Good athlete. Mechanics are a little funky.
Do you ever see him going back to the rotation?
Or is he going to just stick it out as a relief pitcher?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
He has a three-pitch arsenal
so a move back to the rotation is always an option. As a starter, his sloppy mechanics prevented him from holding velo during a game and effected command. He was much smoother out of the pen.
So a little polish on the curve
and a lowering of the WHIP, and he could be an excellent relief prospect? More than just a LOOGY?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Sure
Jones has the stuff to be considered an excellent relief prospect. He just needs to improve his command of all three pitches. Not exactly an easy task.
I will be monitoring his WHIP next season.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Have you heard anything
that suggests the Rangers might try him in the rotation again?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Why do so many people want to switch guys back to starters so often?
Theres a reason they were moved to the pen. Unless that reason was simply not enough room then they probably need to stay in the pen. And even then if they weren’t good enough to beat out on of the guys in the rotation in A ball what makes people think they would be able to beat someone out in the ML rotation. Jones flourished in the pen. Is it simply because hes a lefty and people have this vision of 5 left handed starters for the Rangers someday? I just don’t understand it. It gets to me everytime people mention CJ going back. Hes in the pen and has been good out there. Unless you have 5 guys who can pitch complete games every night you need good pitchers out there.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
+1
I hear Rupe thinks of himself as a starter….
Well with Jones
I would have liked to see the team stick with him in the rotation longer than they did. former 1st round pick, was just 21 years old last year, BA said he had the best curveball in Atlanta’s system a while back which makes him more than just a fastball guy. He disappointed quite a bit for Atlanta and of course his control has yet to look that good, but I just think its too early to give up on a promising lefty starter. He was converted into a full time relief pitcher last year. Its not like with CJ where he hasn’t started for years and Jones hasn’t flourished for that long in the bullpen to the point where you are obviously wasting time and talent by trying him in the rotation.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
x
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Thinking of Oliver?
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
No.
My vote was for Pimentel…ergo pimento cheese sammich.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
So ...
You don’t think of Oliver?
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by inactive lsb user on Dec 22, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Oh jeez, a bowl, a sammich, and a shit...
I get it now!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Man
we’ve got some pretty exciting prospects outside of our top 30. I can see at least a handful of those not already voted on contributing significantly at the major league level.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
Notably absent from this list
John Bannister. Our new 40-man roster addition. Not even a candidate in the #30 poll.
Sickels
Sickels just dropped Eric Hosmer to a B+ on his site. I’m guessing that’s a prelude to a B+ for Smoak.
Hey dirk
When do we get a wrapup thread?
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Dang, I got busy all the sudden and for some reason it just slipped my mind. I'll do it now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 20, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
You have let me down man.
Derek Jeter wouldn’t forget to do a wrapup thread.
WWDJD? , What Would Derek Jeter Do?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Good thing you explained WWDJD...
Would have never gotten that.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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