Furcal to the Dodgers?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2008 6:24 PM CST
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You know how Rafael Furcal supposedly had a deal done with the Atlanta Braves?
Well, apparently not...Ken Rosenthal says Furcal is instead signing with the Dodgers, and Brave g.m. Frank Wren is fuming over Furcal and his agent reneging on the deal.
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Rod Barajas
Deju Vu all over again.
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
by miles on Dec 17, 2008 6:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reneging
As an attorney told me after he and his client backed out of a settlement right before a critical hearing, there’s no such thing as reneging until the pen is on the paper (sonofabitch). As the Braves said:
“When people deal with you in this manner, they lose credibility,” Braves GM Frank Wren said. “You don’t forget these things.”
Agreed.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Dec 17, 2008 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you reneging out of the deal?
Are you reneging? That’s a reneg.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Dec 17, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't call him a reneger unless you want Jesse Jackson on your ass.
by Inkara1 on Dec 18, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure whether to +1 or -1
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Dec 18, 2008 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The latter.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 18, 2008 2:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT. JD on with Mike O. at 8.35.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 17, 2008 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Radio related OT
Was anything else listening to the Hardline @ around 6:20 tonight? If so, was anyone else mildly perturbed at the fact that Corby didn’t know the Angels were in the AL West?
by LiamP on Dec 17, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i find
myself listening more and more to Ben and Skin on 105.3…….
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 17, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
Oh, sweet merciful crap.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Dec 17, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
there show has returned to form with the move of the station to all sports. I had no interest in their original midday show upon their move up the dial.
105.3 will have to ditch that morning show if they ever hope to have all day listeners (P1’s).
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 17, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
The morning show is the only one that I actually like….
because he hasn't even reached his peak yet, up until this point, he just did it on talent. - Ron Washington on Josh Hamilton
by Lonerangers on Dec 17, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Context?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 17, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They (Mike) was doing a segment on BA's Rangers Top 10.
Mike was talking about how BA released a publication for each division, such as the AL West, and named the AL West teams. When he got to the Angels, Corby said something like “The Angels? Are you sure about that?”.
He later called Johan Santana “Julio Santana” later, but that’s to be expected.
by LiamP on Dec 17, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
safe to say he didnt have much in depth analysis of the rangers top 10 =)
i dont really mind him not knowing that much (as long as someone does), but it makes it more irritating when you hear the same people make really strong negative comments about the rangers.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 17, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1MM
Agree. I heard that abomination of a talk show host who shall remain nameless (but his initials are Greg Hill) rail the other day on the Rangers for 10 minutes and then said something to the effect of they have no hope of getting any better any time soon.
Its disgraceful that someone would have a sports talk show in Dallas and purport to know somthing about the Rangers and not know they had the best farm system in baseball. Stupid aggy
by BEW on Dec 17, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it was a pretty positive segment.
Mike seemed upbeat about how good the prospects were…He did, however, make an insane point about how BA used the word “superstar” for a couple of our guys (Smoak, Beltre) while not mentioning it at all for the A’s system, making our system stand out.
by LiamP on Dec 17, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure...
the NL west is always pathetic.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Dec 17, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but he'd be in the NL east
I’m just saying I’d rather play for the Braves next year if I was Furcal.
by cowpoke on Dec 17, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but would you rather try to beat the mets or the rockies or diamondbags?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Dec 18, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta sucks.
The town, I mean.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta is not bad
I stayed in a hotel in Buckhead and went to a couple of nice bars. Buckhead is pretty nice
by cowpoke on Dec 17, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta is nothing but vanilla urban sprawl.
It has nothing that makes it stand out whatsoever.
And the traffic is just dumb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 18, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds a lot like dallas actually
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it pretty much is but the part i was in had pine trees if i remember correctly
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Dec 18, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Furcal
I’d sign with the Rangers for 1k per year.
by Stevoo on Dec 17, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Furcal did this the last time he was a free agent
The Cubs thought they had a deal, and then he signed with the Dodgers.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on Dec 18, 2008 5:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can Kelly Johnson play 3rd?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 18, 2008 7:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Probably could if he had to
He has all of 11 games experience there in the minors (none since 2005) but he played 210 of his minor league games at shortstop, so I imagine he could learn if he had to.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 18, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marlon Byrd for Kelly Johnson swap?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 18, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I think you could do better than that for Byrd.
I’d do Murphy though, but I don’t think that makes as much sense for the Braves, since Johnson is also left-handed and also can play LF. Kelly Johnson is a nice (and versatile) little player to have, but I’d rather have Byrd.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 18, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy
I’d much rather have the age 27,28,29 seasons of Kelly Johnson rather than the age 31 season for Byrd. Johnson is a younger, better version of Mark DeRosa – a valuable player to have on the roster.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 18, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only problem
Johnson is strictly a LF. Who plays CF when Hammy needs to move to RF this year? If you say Boggs then that means Murphy is down in AAA which i don’t think is whats gonna happen.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 18, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon
If we get Johnson, we get him to play 3rd…
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 18, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
He’s worried about the backup CF position, while ignoring that we don’t even have a replacement level player to start at 3b.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 18, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think Johnson can be any better than metcalf or Duran there?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 18, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
common sense
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 18, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
most middle infielders can play corner infield positions, and Kelly Johnson is a lot better hitter than either Metcalf or Duran. A whole freaking lot better.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 18, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about a whole lot better
But hes also been doing it from a less stressful position. Johnson put up decent numbers while playing 2B in Atlanta while Metcalf has put up decent numbers while playing 3B. I think Johnson will lose a little bit if he makes the move to 3B offensively and we don’t know what hes like defensively there.
Basically unless we are trading for a stud young 3B prospect, which Johnson is not, then why waste our time because MY is going to have to have a position come this time next year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 18, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly Johnson
Would be a very good stop-gap candidate for 3rd base. That is IF we thought he could play 3rd.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 18, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think he can play 3rd
He never played more than 4 games in a single season there in the minors and moved from SS to 2B in the majors. If I was trading for a young 3B under team control for several years i would want one I knew could play 3B and had experience there. If not just put MY there if we are playing guys who’ve had little to no experience there
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 18, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is he strictly a LF?
He hasn’t played there is ’05.
If you mean because we have Kinsler — well, ok. But in general — he’s not strictly any position.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 18, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well thats the only OF position hes played as a MLer.
I had only looked at BR when I typed that response so he may have played elsewhere in the minors I don’t know. But if hes had TJ surgery I would guess that RF is out of the question and I haven’t heard of him being such a speedster that he could handle CF. LF is generally the default OF position for IF turned OF
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 18, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why he's only an OF in your mind
Assuming he has the arm, I don’t see why he couldn’t play third.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 18, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he could
But I wish someone would show me something to prove that rather than just saying “put him at 3B”. That sounds alot like guys who play way too much MLB2Kwhatever and just put people wherever they want. Johnson has played 2B and LF in the majors. Thats it. In the minors he was primarily a SS and played 15 total games over a 4 year span at 3B. Im just trying to see what others see that makes them think he can just slide over to 3B and be any better than Metcalf or Duran
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 18, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea is
they’re saying assuming he has the defensive ability (which none of us are certain on) then he’d have a better bat that Duran and Metcalf.
I really think you’re making too much out of this idea that isn’t going to happen anyway.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 18, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When the Braves “signed” Furcal the story was Johnson would move to LF.
But the rumor on mlbtr is now they’re shopping Johnson…for an OF.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 18, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I believe that rumor.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 18, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why have I seen so many "I would trade Murphy but not Byrd" quotes on here?
I have seen this alot on here. Murphy , if he would of stayed healthy, probably finishes 2nd in ROY. He is 3 to 4 years younger than Byrd and people want to throw him away. Was it a coincidence that when Murphy went down with the injury so did the Rangers. He is one of those guys that you are not sure how he does it, but he always seem to get the job done. I think people see him as JJ Barea, yea he got the job done this time, but he can’t keep doing it.
by Ranger Capt on Dec 18, 2008 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Murphy
K’s too much and doesn’t walk enough to put up a good enough OBP to be much more than a platoon lefty. He’s kind of like an inverted Kevin Mench, really – a player who’s never really going to be anything more than decent.
Which isn’t a bad thing really, every good team has those “decent” types around to to roleplay throughout the season – but my point is Marlon Byrd’s trade value (as a guy who plays good CF defense and plus COF defense, and has OPS+’d 117 and 123 the last two seasons) is much higher than Murphy’s trade value. So when I say “I’d trade Murphy for Kelly Johnson, not Byrd” it’s not that I’m trying to say get rid of Murphy, I’m just saying I think Byrd’s trade value should get us more than Kelly Johnson.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 18, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have overestimated the value of 1 year of Marlon Byrd
He ain’t worth 3 years of Kelly Johnson, that would be a slam dunk trade for us IMO.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 18, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly Johnson doesn't really impress me all that much
His walk rate went way down this year, and his ISO dropped significantly as well. He’s okay, but I see him as a kind of borderline guy like Murphy. And I’d hope we could get back something better than that for Byrd, who seems like he could be very valuable to a contender (or would be contender) like, say the Yankees who are looking for a quality CF.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 18, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
My original thought was Nelson Cruz for Kelly Johnson, but that could be a bad trade on our part, depending on how you feel about Nelson Cruz.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 18, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Byrd has that much value
he’s done well in Texas, and may turn out to be a decent type B free agent or maybe return something at the deadline. But overall he’s probably more valuable as a Ranger than he is in a deal (remember, the most the Cubs offered last year was Matt Murton)
Sadly, the guy has the reputation of one of those hyped-early-on outfielders who didn’t reach their potential – sort of like Jeffrey Hammonds several years ago (and to some extent Milton Bradley), and what Pie and Milledge are barreling towards right now. Even if they eventually turn out to be productive players, no one really trusts them enough to give up a big piece for them.
Murphy, on the other hand, has the opposite type of player perception. No one really thought he could be more than a 4th outfielder, so when he shows even the slightest potential to be a regular outfielder, people get very excited. His trade value is probably peaking right now.
by JBImaknee on Dec 18, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My reasons...
Byrd is a better defensive player than Murphy and can play CF. He is also a RH hitter and this lineup is LH heavy right now. He will also be a Type A FA after this year if he does what he has done the last 2 years.
Murphy imo isn’t very good. He is a little above average defensively and should platoon with a RH bat for a COF spot. I would be surprised if he could put up offensive #‘s again like he did last year as well. I don’t think he can hit LH pitching enough to be a full-time COF. He is a decent player, but probably slightly below average for a COF.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 18, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would've probably been second in the ROY!? Well then he must be good!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 18, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, rec that
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Dec 18, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: "Was it a coincidence that when Murphy went down with the injury so did the Rangers?"
You seriously think it isn’t?
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 19, 2008 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should read
“was it a coincidence that the Rangers had a shitload of injuries and went down harder than expected?”
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Dec 19, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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