LSB Community Prospect Project: #15
by thedirkatron
on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 AM CST
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Another vote, another guy who finished second in the previous poll emerging as the victor.
After 218 votes, Neil "NeRa" Ramirez has won the right to be called the LSB Community #14 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland.
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
Time to move on to the vote for #15.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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Kiker again for me.
The fact that he’s likely to be our 15th ranked prospect just boggles my tiny little mind.
So. Much. Prospect. Goodness.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 5:26 AM CST
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Indeed
And more tough decisions yet to come after #15 – we’ve still got guys like Madrigal, Font, Diamond, Vallejo, and Hunter all still on the board, with the likes of Weiland, Ross and Tim Murphy there to make things interesting.
I’ve got some serious stat-reading to do before poll #16, because right now I have absolutely no idea who of the aforementioned group to vote for (providing Kiker goes here, which he should based on the last poll).
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 2, 2008 6:03 AM CST
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Yah, after Kiker it opens up quite a bit, imo.
I’d throw Lemon and Poveda into that group you just mentioned.
Lemon is self explaniatroy. (For those who don’t know, I heart Marcus Lemon.)
But Poveda gets overlooked a bit, imo. He obviously struggled a bit in Bakersfield, but that’s not necessarily a death knell for a pitching prospect. I think the fact we moved to protect him from the rule-5 even though he spent all of last year in A+ speaks volumes about what the Rangers’ scouts think of the kid.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 6:29 AM CST
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I agree.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 2, 2008 6:47 AM CST
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Yeah, yet another name to think about
You know that gets me thinking about the next round of guys to be added as we work our way towards #20 here… I’m thinking maybe Pedro Strop, Fabio Castillo, Macumba De Los Santos and maybe Corey Young. I think I’d vote for at least those first three guys before I voted for Whittleman or Santana.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 2, 2008 7:39 AM CST
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Strop
would be the #1 closer prospect in the system by a long shot.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 2, 2008 8:00 AM CST
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Neftali?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:00 AM CST
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But he's a starter prospect who might end up as a closer. There's a difference, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 8:06 AM CST
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Fa sho
I wasn’t being completely serious.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:20 AM CST
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Madrigal.
If you consider him a prospect, which for the sake of this exercise we are.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 8:06 AM CST
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Count me unimpressed
with him as a closer prospect. His mediocre slider makes him a 7th or 8th inning guy IMO. Strop has 3 swing and miss pitches: Plus FB, slider and splitter; it is no contest.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 2, 2008 8:09 AM CST
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How long has he been a pitcher?
Theres plenty of time for him to continue developing his stuff. True right now he probably wouldn’t be closer material but hes only been pitching for a couple years now
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 2, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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Knee-Jerk Extraordinaie...
Warner Madrigal was pitching in the Midwest League in 2007. In 2008, he had a rough major league debut (0.1 innings, 6 earned runs), but after that outing had a 3.28 ERA and a 1.23 WHIP the rest of the way.
Madrigal first started pitching in 2006, at the age of 22.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, huh? Didn't you just say that suicide doesn't solve anybody's problems?
by YourNameHere on
Dec 2, 2008 11:51 AM CST
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So heretofore hyped as a ML closer
we are all agreed that he isn’t closer material right now, right? and if he needs more time to develop then he should be in AAA next year right? or, if he makes the staff next yr, you would have to agree that he would make a fine 7th inning guy, right? nothing wrong with that is there? Not in my (realist) book…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 2, 2008 2:33 PM CST
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This year...
My guess is that Warner Madrigal is probably working something along the lines of what you’re suggesting in 2009 (i.e. appearing pretty frequently in the 7th inning).
Although it’s often hard to make very strong distinctions amongst bullpen pitchers— with the exception of left-handed specialists and closers— the label “setup pitcher” is probably most appropriate for what I’m guessing will be Madrigal’s role for at least the next season. It seems that this is the “backup” closer, in that they replace the closer when the closer goes on the DL. You tend to use setup guys much the same way you’d use your closer, but, since they’re not as good as the closer, you put them in before the closer to avoid wasting the closer’s efforts.
Although the odds are always stacked against any particular player emerging as a team’s optimal choice at closer, in my opinion, Madrigal’s chances, relative to others’, seem rather solid. He made incredible strides for a guy who’d pitched only 73 innings professionally going into 2008 (per Baseball-Reference.com, as TheBaseballCube.com has 72 innings) , none above A-Ball.
Madrigal was playing in the Angels’ system in 2003, 2004, 2005, and I’m not seeing any pitching statistics. Since he signed with the then Anaheim Angels in 2001 , if he’d pitched as an amateur, he’d be at least five years removed from the position before moved to the mound in 2006.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, huh? Didn't you just say that suicide doesn't solve anybody's problems?
by YourNameHere on
Dec 2, 2008 4:27 PM CST
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he was an OF i think with the angels before
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST
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Poveda had a very nice run
after he returned from injury:
Last 8 starts: 47ip/36h/5hr/15er/21bb/47so/2.92era
by Goyogringo on
Dec 2, 2008 7:48 AM CST
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Poveda
Yup, there are definitely some things to like with him. Most reports have him with a plus changeup, and as zywica pointed out yesterday, a true plus pitch can take a guy quite a ways. With that plus pitch and youth on his side, he could be one that moves up these lists quickly if things start clicking with his his fastball command and curve. Parks lists his “sensational MLB comp” as James Shields and I think that is a tantalizing thought.
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by tricer on
Dec 2, 2008 8:27 AM CST
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More on Poveda
Poveda’s K-rate has improved in each of the last three years and was almost 10K/9IP in 2008. He added an effective curveball during the course of the 2008 season to what was already a very good fastball/change-up combination.
Listening to his games in Bakersfield, it seemed that he was exceptionally good at inducing opponents to swing and miss. If he can get his walk rate back down to his 2006/2007 levels (~2.5BB/9IP) while continuing to strike out better than a batter per inning, he could have a whale of a season in Frisco next year.
by spurdynasty on
Dec 2, 2008 10:37 AM CST
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After Kiker comes Ross
I think that Ross has been unfairly ignored by this group. Sure he hasn’t pitched much yet, but given that people were so quick to annoint Smoak the greatest hitting prospect this organization has ever seen before even seeing him, they should be willing to recognize that Ross is a pretty good arm that fell to us in the 2nd round partly for signability reasons.
by JBImaknee on
Dec 2, 2008 11:08 AM CST
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HS vs College
If he was a college draftee who fell I would agree with you but a HS kid who hasn’t pitched yet in pro ball is viewed with some skepticism. Id put him in the Top 20 but not 16. Theres a couple guys that go on before him IMO.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 2, 2008 11:14 AM CST
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Well, in fairness, if you missed the Greatest Prospect The Organization Has Ever Seen annointing ceremony, it was breathtaking.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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If you were standing between Ross and Font throwing a side in the bullpen, which prospect would be drawing the most attention from you?
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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Here's another one
If Font and Superman were were in the pen playing a game of burnout, how would the rotation of the earth be affected? How about the gravitational field?
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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Superman's a lefty
so they would counteract one another. No effect.
Next question?
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 11:39 AM CST
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awesome
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 12:08 PM CST
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Depends if Font is actually throwing in the bullpen...
There seems like a decent shot that everyone will say Font is amazing and in the bullpen, but when I get there no one seems to know where he is.
by JBImaknee on
Dec 2, 2008 11:24 AM CST
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Yes. Strongly.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 11:04 AM CST
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It boggles mine
strongly to very strongly
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:11 AM CST
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Of this crop of mid-tier pitchers we have
Ramirez, Kiker, Ross, Font, Hunter, Poveda, Weiland, Murphy
how many teams would these guys easily be in the top 10? I look at Sickels rankings of the Cubs prospects the other day, and I could see several of these guys breaking into their top 10 (but I could be completely wrong). Those pitchers at the bottom of BA’s Angels top ten aren’t impressing me too much either.
by JBImaknee on
Dec 2, 2008 11:31 AM CST
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I think about half of those guys
would tend to be on the back end of several teams’ top tens. I think that the same ones are certainly reasonable candidates for Texas’ 8-9-10 spots as well, but, yeah, the beauty is the depth of them.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:36 AM CST
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Hah, nice
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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Dec 2, 2008 12:14 PM CST
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Vallejo
He’s fast.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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Dec 2, 2008 6:12 AM CST
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Hunter
He looked overmatched in the Bigs, but he really shouldn’t have been pushed that far to begin with.
That being said, such a great season through 3 different leagues in the minors.
He’s going to be a workhorse in this rotation for a long time.
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Dec 2, 2008 6:27 AM CST
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I tend to agree with JJP
I think he ends up in the bullpen. On a cautionary note, check out the precipitous decline in Hunter’s strikeout rate after his promotion to Frisco; it was cut in half and remained so in AAA. Once again the big club’s need took precedent over a pitcher’s development. Hunter should have stayed in AA the rest of the year to work on his secondary stuff. Hopefully, he gets to stick in AAA for the year to iron things out with his changeup.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 2, 2008 8:14 AM CST
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Hunter to the pen
I think that is likely, but not necessarily a bad thing. He has a pretty good fastball and if he can amp it up a couple notches in short bursts (93, 94,95?), and couple that with a curve that he is apparently really comfortable with and commands really well both in and out of the strike zone, and is reported as a plus pitch (again by Parks and others) that is a really nice pairing for a late reliever.
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Dec 2, 2008 8:33 AM CST
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More thoughts on Hunter
I saw Hunter a couple of times in the minor leagues this year and he really stands out as a guy who can control a game. Depending on the situation, his fastball ranges from 90-94 and his two variations of a curve are definitely very good pitches. Someone mentioned that he is working on a 2-seamer this off-season. If he can master that pitch, then I think that Hunter definitely has a shot at being a very productive major league starter.
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Dec 2, 2008 10:27 AM CST
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Hunter
From the brief look I had of him, his problem appeared to be FB location. He was consistently up between the waist and the ribcage.
I wouldn’t think that would be that hard to fix.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on
Dec 2, 2008 10:50 AM CST
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Yeah,
and who wouldn’t be all geeked-up to be starting a MLB game the 1st year after being drafted?
He’ll be OK.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on
Dec 2, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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Kasey Kiker
Then going Robbie Ross then Joe Wieland.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 2, 2008 8:43 AM CST
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When was the last time you voted for a position player?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:56 AM CST
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I believe it
was Borbon and if it was not him it was Teagarden. I would have voted for Beltre at 12 if Beavan would have gotten on at 11.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 2, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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You know you are right...
I havent voted for many position players just because there are certain people I think are ahead of others, this my personal list in case you are interested:
1. Derek Holland
2. Michael Main
3. Justin Smoak
4. Neftali Feliz
5. Taylor Teagarden
6. Martin Perez
7. Elvis Andrus
8. Max Ramirez
9. Blake Beavan
10. Julio Borbon
11. Engel Beltre
12. Eric Hurley
13. Wilfredo Boscan
14. Neil Ramirez
15. Kasey Kiker
16. Robbie Ross
17. Joe Wieland
18. Tommy Hunter
19. Jose Vallejo
20. Font/Poveda….cant decide.
This is a list I came up with last night after researching and talking to a few buddies that are also knowledgeable about baseball, the Rangers, and the Rangers’ system. That is why there may be a few changes from how I voted. The toughest guy to place for me was Engel Beltre. I can see argument for him being as high as 9. I placed Feliz at 4 not so much as an indictment to him but more so as a testament for how good I believe the 3 guys ahead of him are. The top 3 guys could be placed in any order and I wouldnt have a problem with it. I know that I am higher than most on Beavan but I think he still has a chance to be a very good ML starter. It is tough task ranking players in this system because of how loaded it is. So there you have it, that is my “offficial” list.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 2, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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Tommy!
The guy made it to the bigs in a single season and I see nothing to suggest he can’t start for us as soon as this season.
by Conjunction on
Dec 2, 2008 8:46 AM CST
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Who blinks?
Salty for Lars…?
Padilla for Lowell…?
I don’t know where else to put my compulsive trade ideas.
Go Strangers.
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Dec 2, 2008 8:47 AM CST
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i voted for kiker
but are we collectively undervaluing ross?
i hated him as a draft pick but lots of people in the know seem to like him a lot
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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We need numbers.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:58 AM CST
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Probably, yes. We went way overslot for the guy, basically giving him mid-1st money.
That means our scouts must’ve hearted him something fierce.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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Dec 2, 2008 9:04 AM CST
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KK again.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on
Dec 2, 2008 9:01 AM CST
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I really can't believe this obsession with his MVP ballot
If that’s really such a big deal, I want a slice of all those ROY voters who ignored Chris Davis.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 2, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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If Chris Davis wore a Red Sox uni
there would’ve been a lynch mob after the RoY voters this year.
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Dec 2, 2008 10:03 AM CST
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hahahaa
i really think he would have won if that was the case
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Dec 2, 2008 3:02 PM CST
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yup
portion of a season be damned
hell they would have voted pedroia for ROY if they had known that we could vote for non eligible player (volquez in the NL)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 2, 2008 3:40 PM CST
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i went with font
KK next
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Dec 2, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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More fun with numbers
I recently discovered a sortable database of minor league stats at the Baseball Reference (http://minors.baseball-reference.com/leaderlist.cgi). The site allows you to compare pitchers at any level using any of a variety of simple statistics. The database reaches back to 1992, so you can develop a sense of what minor league stats are most predictive of future major league success. I’ve sorted pitchers from various years at various levels using a variety of stats (ERA, K/9IP, K/BB, WHIP, etc) and have found that the fastest way to find future major league pitchers is to sort by age per level and then to sort by WHIP or K/9IP or K/BB. The method is not perfect since you still wind up with a fair number of false positives and false negatives, but it is surprisingly effective.
As an example, the 20 youngest pitchers to throw at least 40 AA innings in 2004 included Felix Hernandez, Cain, Billingsley, Carmona, Davies, Kazmir, E. Santana, Liriano, Floyd, and Nolasco. In contrast to the 10 future major leaguers that the 20 youngest AA pitchers produced, the AA pitchers in 2008 who ranked among the Top 20 in terms of WHIP, K/9IP, K/BB, and ERA yielded 6, 4, 3, and 3 major leaguers.
This sorting method is most accurate when applied to A+, AA, and AAA pitchers. In 2008, the Rangers had four pitchers rank among the youngest in A+ or higher leagues in which they tossed at least 40 innings – Feliz, Hunter, Kiker, and Poveda. To restrict the length of this post, I’ll ignore Feliz and Hunter and focus on the two prospects that seem likely to be selected in the next few rounds of LSB prospect ranking.
Kiker and Poveda were the 11th and 15th youngest pitchers to log at least 40 innings in A+ in 2008. Along with Kiker and Poveda, the 25 youngest A+ pitchers in 2008 included Alderson, Guerra, Porcella, O’Sullivan, Erbe, A. Rodriguez, Rondon, McAllister, Cahill, Robertson, Jeffress, B. Anderson, and Chacin. Among this group of 15 well-regarded pitchers, Kiker ranked 8th in K/9IP (8.2), 8th in BB/9IP (2.7), and 9th in K/BB (3.0). Poveda ranked 4th in K/9IP (9.6), 13th in BB/9IP (4.0), and 11th in K/BB (2.4).
With the exception of Poveda’s walk rate (which seems to be a fluke given his prior performance), all of these stats are very solid especially when taken in light of the fact that they were produced in the Cal League by pitchers who are still relatively early in their development cycle.
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Dec 2, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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man
that kind of database seems like a jackpot for a guy like you… cant wait to see what other kind of stuff you can do with it.
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Dec 2, 2008 3:06 PM CST
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+1
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 2, 2008 8:33 PM CST
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Font
No problem with Kiker or Ross, but Font is just too talented.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 10:38 AM CST
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But he has that whole myserious might-have-died thing hanging over him.
So many question marks.
Any chance he starts @ Hickory or you see him as an EST-then-Spokane guy all the way, Z?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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Dec 2, 2008 11:06 AM CST
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Probably gotta be Spokane
especially with the backlog of options for Hickory and the lack of innings this year. But you could still see him at some point. Still will only be 18 to start this season, btw.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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Font
Until he pitches outside Rookie ball I can’t put him ahead of a guy who will be starting in AA next year at 21 years old
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Dec 2, 2008 11:16 AM CST
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You mean Poveda?
Yeah, arbitrary declarations like that definitely make things easier.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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I was talking about Kiker
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 2, 2008 11:28 AM CST
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I thought I was entitled to be a little
silly when it comes to Font?
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:39 AM CST
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I voted for him at 9 or 10
but since I think I was his only vote I sorta decided it was futile to continue until some flashier names were off the board.
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 11:48 AM CST
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+1
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on
Dec 2, 2008 12:49 PM CST
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Font
Sort of the Ross Perot of LSB Community Rankings.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Dec 2, 2008 1:01 PM CST
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I'll put it another way
if you pass on every 17/18 year old in rookie ball or shortseason for every 20 year old in High A just on that basis, you’re going to have some jacked up rankings. I don’t have any problem with Kiker being ranked here, but I wouldn’t be comfortable with that as my basis.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 2, 2008 11:33 AM CST
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Font
He doesn’t even have 50 innings of pro ball yet in two years. Kiker has well over 250. Font has all the potential in the world but maybe its just me until I see some kind of performance from him I can’t put him above a guy like Kiker. Im the same way with Inoa.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 2, 2008 11:42 AM CST
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Yes, but does Kiker have chunks of other pitchers in his stool??
I thinkst not.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on
Dec 2, 2008 12:51 PM CST
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I pass on every 17 year old.
18? Now that’s a whole ’nother story…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on
Dec 2, 2008 11:50 AM CST
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nice
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 12:10 PM CST
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hey shroom
you ever check out any of those tony hillerman books?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 12:10 PM CST
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Dang it
No I haven’t! Thank you for reminding me.
I’m gonna go reserve one at the libary right now.
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 12:15 PM CST
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The Blessing Way – seems like the book to start with.
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 12:18 PM CST
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ya its the first one
The Blessing Way (1970) ISBN 0-06-011896-2
Dance Hall of the Dead (1973) ISBN 0-06-011898-9
Listening Woman (1978) ISBN 0-06-011901-2
People Of Darkness (1980) ISBN 0-06-011907-1
The Dark Wind (1982) ISBN 0-06-014936-1
The Ghostway (1984) ISBN 0-06-015396-2
Skinwalkers (1986) ISBN 0-06-015695-3
A Thief of Time (1988) ISBN 0-06-015938-3
Talking God (1989) ISBN 0-06-016118-3
Coyote Waits (1990) ISBN 0-06-016370-4
Sacred Clowns (1993) ISBN 0-06-016767-X
The Fallen Man (1996) ISBN 0-06-017773-X
The First Eagle (1998) ISBN 0-06-017581-8
Hunting Badger (1999) ISBN 0-06-019289-5
The Wailing Wind (2002) ISBN 0-06-019444-8
The Sinister Pig (2003) ISBN 0-06-019443-X
Skeleton Man (2004) ISBN 0-06-056344-3
The Shape Shifter (2006) ISBN 978-0-06-056345-5
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 12:35 PM CST
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Hey, KoK!
Who writes a better book, Tony Hillerman or Tim Tebow!!??
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 12:37 PM CST
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When I say Denton ...
what are the first 3 visuals that pop into your head?
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 1:01 PM CST
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Random and honest: Calhoun Middle School, the Golden Triangle Mall, and the (old) Courthouse. (Fouts Field was 4th, fwiw)
Well, of course the house I grew up in was first, but I think you’re thinking of public city of Denton stuff, not personal stuff.
Por que?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST
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Curious for nonsensical reasons
My 3 were Courthouse, Flying Tomato and the Campus Theatre.
Maybe it’s because I used to live on Hickory Street …
by shroomer on
Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST
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Good old Hickory street.
My BFF growing up lived on Oak so I spent a ton of time in that area. That was a cool part of town down there kind of in between the Square and UNT.
I heard the dozed the flying tomato and most of that stuff around there. Is that true? If so, color me sad.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 6:42 PM CST
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Flying Tomato
I was there the night it burned. Literally one of the first 5 people to walk up.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on
Dec 2, 2008 11:13 PM CST
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That sucked. I wasn't there but....
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on
Dec 2, 2008 11:31 PM CST
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i never saw where your jumpthrow answer was
can you link????
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 3:41 PM CST
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Linky, linky.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST
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ok that got a rec
awesome. 13 to 17 inches deep lol
epic.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 9:47 PM CST
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and for the record
def. hillerman.
amazing writer.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 3:41 PM CST
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Looks like the next vote
will be very interesting.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 2, 2008 12:58 PM CST
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I think that might be the
first one we’ve done that you can’t have a good idea on who will win the next spot.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 2, 2008 1:04 PM CST
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I'm thinking it's between Font/Ross/Murphy for me
Can anyone convince me who I should go with? My default is going to be Font otherwise
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on
Dec 2, 2008 1:05 PM CST
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Winter League stats
Where can I go to see how everyone did/is doing in the winter leagues?
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on
Dec 2, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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Found it
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=tex
Somebody let me know if there’s a better site
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on
Dec 2, 2008 1:24 PM CST
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Kiker
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on
Dec 2, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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Kiker again
IMO, billy wagner written all over him
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on
Dec 2, 2008 2:22 PM CST
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Kiker
Why was he just at a frat party?
"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."
by Prognosis Negative on
Dec 2, 2008 3:20 PM CST
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The next vote should
be very interesting if this one is any indication.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 2, 2008 3:20 PM CST
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Kiker is not a better prospect than Thomas Diamond.
That is all.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST
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Poveda is better than Kiker, too.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Dec 2, 2008 7:27 PM CST
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Please...
Expound.
I’m a serious closet case for Poveda.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Dec 3, 2008 12:09 AM CST
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Poveda...
My opinion is heavily based on last season when Poveda was throwing harder than Kiker. After consulting Jason Cole, I believe their offspeed pitches are about equal (outside of the left/right thing). Poveda has better command and control and is still very young.
Poveda also still has a bit of projection to him, while Kiker has almost none.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Dec 3, 2008 1:46 AM CST
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