Rangers to seek arms at winter meetings....
Sorry guys if this was posted, but I have to address a big issue I have with this article as well as some other points of interest:
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081201&content_id=3697780&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex
My issue right here: "The Rangers have had extended conversations with the Red Sox but have been told that Clay Buchholz is not available. The Red Sox have other pitching of interest to the Rangers -- Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden among others -- but so far the two teams have not been able to match up. That's likely because the Red Sox want Saltalamacchia or Teagarden rather than Laird."
R u fucking kidding? Is JD really asking Boston to trade Buchz for Laird? If so, I'm sorry, but I would be jumping on the "fire JD" bandwagon real fast. How can you not give up a Salts or Tea for him? That doesn't even make sense and JD really needs to trade either or for him if that's on the table. Laird will never get a Buchz type pitcher. He might be enough for a good bullpen arm, but definitely not a stud pitching prosepct.
"The other area of depth is the outfield. Byrd, David Murphy, Nelson Cruz and Josh Hamilton were all regulars at some point last year, while Brandon Boggs and Greg Golson -- recently acquired from the Phillies -- provide depth. Julio Borbon, the top outfield prospect, is close to being Major League ready."
F'N AWESOME!!! When have we ever had quality depth in the outfield? Well, not since the playoffs days at least. I remember a few years back when we were all bitching about how this team had no outfield, remember. Do you remember the Mench hidalgo, laynce Nyx outfields we used to put on the field?
"Daniels still think there's a "good chance" the Rangers will make a move involving at least one of their catchers before the winter is over."
Good to hear Mr. Daniels because is we don't I think I will vomit.
Aw fuck: "We're OK bringing back all four guys if it comes down to that and the right deal is not out there," Daniels said." There goes the good chance.
"The biggest question is what kind of pitching the Rangers can get back in a trade. The Rangers look for both starting and relief pitching."
I think I could live with a nice bullpen arm for Laird. Someone dependable and cheap. I could also live with a maybe not so near to near ready prospect for the other catchers, but starting pitching not so much. Like Adam said in the front page news, our rotation might be set. Right now it's crowded with competition so I could live with a high upside minor league arm who might be ready in a year or two, but if we can get a stud now, then you do it.
Anyway, a lot of good spicy stuff in there so talk it up and sorry if it was posted already.
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My issue right here: “The Rangers have had extended conversations with the Red Sox but have been told that Clay Buchholz is not available. The Red Sox have other pitching of interest to the Rangers — Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden among others — but so far the two teams have not been able to match up. That’s likely because the Red Sox want Saltalamacchia or Teagarden rather than Laird.”
R u fucking kidding? Is JD really asking Boston to trade Buchz for Laird? If so, I’m sorry, but I would be jumping on the “fire JD” bandwagon real fast. How can you not give up a Salts or Tea for him? That doesn’t even make sense and JD really needs to trade either or for him if that’s on the table. Laird will never get a Buchz type pitcher. He might be enough for a good bullpen arm, but definitely not a stud pitching prosepct.
The way I read it is, if you don’t want to give us Buch, then you get Laird for the other guys, not Buch for Laird…Give us Buch and you can have Salt/Tea
by fds on
Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST
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Yes, that's exactly how it reads.
I’m at a loss as how to this could be confusing.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST
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Ditto
A big damn long rant that either a) misunderstands the writer; b) provides a comment that allows me to say “well, duuuh”; or c) gets way to riled up about crap that’s been mentioned ad nauseum around here.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on
Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST
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Maybe I did misread it,
I guess maybe Boston doesn’t want to talk clay at all, but are willing to talk about the other two pitchers, but all we are offering is Laird. And if thats the way it reads, how can you be okay with that Dirk.
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by NYTXFAN on
Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST
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that's not a correct reading either
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 2, 2008 9:30 PM CST
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This is how i read what is happening:
Theo: We want Teagarden
JD: Fine, we want Buchholz then
Theo: No, he isnt available unless you want to throw in holland, feliz, or main. We will give you bowden.
JD: Okay for Salty and throw in Bard.
Theo: No bard, and for Teagarden.
JD: Okay no bard, that is fine, Laird only then. If you want to only give us one pitcher we will give you Laird
Theo: No
JD: Okay well no deal…
Just a hunch ha
by Michael Cave on
Dec 2, 2008 11:34 PM CST
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I believe...
that is exactly what is happening right now.
We will see who, if either, flinches first.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Dec 3, 2008 5:43 PM CST
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Because I don't think either of those other two pitchers are worth Salty or Tea.
It’s basically a case of them wanting one of our 9’ and us saying the only way they can get it is by giving up their 10 and them saying well how about two of our 7’s and us saying we’re not interested in a combo of 7’s for our 9’s, but if you want to deal us one of your 7’s we have the 5 you might be interested in.
That’s the way trade negotiations usually work, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 8:35 AM CST
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I somehow understood that perfectly
I feel sick
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 3, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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The Sox don't want Laird from what I've read
but I would be more pissed if Jd wasnt asking for the moon. Y should he settle
by CRUSHDAVIS on
Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST
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This is almost a Hurlerhurley quality post...
by JBImaknee on
Dec 2, 2008 4:44 PM CST
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Agreed
I expected more. I think this is classic overreaction to GM posturing. Why don’t we all agree to wait until a trade has actually been made BEFORE we get angry about it.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on
Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM CST
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+1
We all need to settle down and let the process work. I saw in the paper that pitchers and catchers report Feb 14. I got to figuring in my head that is 2 months +. The season was over the first part of Oct ( for the Rangers ). That is 2 months ago. So we are almost halfway through the long offseason and I am longing for some BB. I guess as we get closer to ST we wont be so cranky.
I do think next week will be critical with the GM meetings. I hope things begain to move.
by BEW on
Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST
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Catchers
I didn’t read it as all we were offering was Laird. It sounds to me like we are insisting on Buch and are willing to give up Salty or TT but if we don’t get back Buch we aren’t giving either of them up. Sounds good to me.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM CST
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This post received
exactly the right amount of rec’s.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 2, 2008 4:58 PM CST
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dick!
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM CST
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come on
NYTX… I’m just messing around. Here – I’ve put up a fanpost. Feel free to take a shot. We’ll call it even. And I’ll give you a rec just to extend an olive branch.
Go Rangers.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 2, 2008 5:45 PM CST
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So much luv around here,
and I was kidding myself, you know that right?
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST
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Dick!
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by NYTXFAN on
Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST
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of course I am
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 3, 2008 4:47 AM CST
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i do now
i think? ha!
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 2, 2008 10:44 PM CST
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is it just me or is this the dullest offseason this decade?
boring. and i dont just mean on the rangers side.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM CST
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it is a little early
but so far, a little dull
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 2, 2008 5:13 PM CST
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well vazquez (sp) is supposedly close to being traded to the braves now
i guess thats.. something.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST
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yah and look what the braves are dealing to get him
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST
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what are they?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST
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patience grasshoppa
things usually pick up at the meetings…
As far as the Rangers, JD is usually a Christmas present kinda GM…
First year he made a trade on the 23nd, last year on the 22nd.
Just wait till around Christmas, something will happen then…
45-35
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on
Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST
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but wait, the rangers get mentioned on the news
kinsler and davis buying toys in the mall, woo!
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST
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anyone interested in jarod burton for laird?
was hurt last yr (lat and back)
Jared Burton – Cincinnati Reds
Birthdate:6/2/1981 Bats/Throws:R/R Height/Weight:6-5/230 Position:P
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 5:45 PM CST
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i saw you mention this
in another thread. i wouldn’t be pissed if this happens, but i don’t love it. it seems like a fairly realistic scenario, though.
by clark on
Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST
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Burton
I don’t mind the idea of Burton. I’d just prefer someone healthier and/or younger if we’re getting a bullpen guy who has just a year before arbitration.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 6:42 PM CST
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but who?
names?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 6:42 PM CST
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no i didnt
but i liked him when he first came into the league (2 yrs ago)
and il iked him going into this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 9:40 PM CST
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Yeah
That’s the problem. I like Burton personally, but I think we’d be selling low. He’s already 27. I’d like to see Laird moved for someone like Bill Bray, someone who solves the second lefty spot while still being a true quality arm. Same service time, 2 years younger.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 6:54 PM CST
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Add To That
Lefty Alex Hinshaw and righty Osiris Matos on the Giants.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 7:04 PM CST
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ive read some interesting stuff about hinshaw
some ppl do like you
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 9:40 PM CST
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by you i mean him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 9:40 PM CST
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Exactly.
No one likes Andy Seiler.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on
Dec 3, 2008 12:16 AM CST
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He and David Eckstein have a mutual admiration thing going on.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 6:48 AM CST
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Some GM's are the quick on the trigger type
like Billy Bean or Kenny Williams. JD happens to be the patient type. Like Theo, of course. I wouldn’t expect anything to happen quick between those 2.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
by rodcarew on
Dec 2, 2008 9:48 PM CST
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Wait a minute
the Rangers are looking for pitching? Really?
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by t ball on
Dec 2, 2008 11:22 PM CST
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