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Sorry guys if this was posted, but I have to address a big issue I have with this article as well as some other points of interest:

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081201&content_id=3697780&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

My issue right here: "The Rangers have had extended conversations with the Red Sox but have been told that Clay Buchholz is not available. The Red Sox have other pitching of interest to the Rangers -- Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden among others -- but so far the two teams have not been able to match up. That's likely because the Red Sox want Saltalamacchia or Teagarden rather than Laird."

R u fucking kidding?  Is JD really asking Boston to trade Buchz for Laird?  If so, I'm sorry, but I would be jumping on the "fire JD" bandwagon real fast.  How can you not give up a Salts or Tea for him?  That doesn't even make sense and JD really needs to trade either or for him if that's on the table.  Laird will never get a Buchz type pitcher.  He might be enough for a good bullpen arm, but definitely not a stud pitching prosepct.

"The other area of depth is the outfield. Byrd, David Murphy, Nelson Cruz and Josh Hamilton were all regulars at some point last year, while Brandon Boggs and Greg Golson -- recently acquired from the Phillies -- provide depth. Julio Borbon, the top outfield prospect, is close to being Major League ready."

F'N AWESOME!!!  When have we ever had quality depth in the outfield?  Well, not since the playoffs days at least.  I remember a few years back when we were all bitching about how this team had no outfield, remember.  Do you remember the Mench hidalgo, laynce Nyx outfields we used to put on the field? 

"Daniels still think there's a "good chance" the Rangers will make a move involving at least one of their catchers before the winter is over."

Good to hear Mr. Daniels because is we don't I think I will vomit.

Aw fuck: "We're OK bringing back all four guys if it comes down to that and the right deal is not out there," Daniels said." There goes the good chance.

"The biggest question is what kind of pitching the Rangers can get back in a trade. The Rangers look for both starting and relief pitching."

I think I could live with a nice bullpen arm for Laird.  Someone dependable and cheap.  I could also live with a maybe not so near to near ready prospect for the other catchers, but starting pitching not so much.  Like Adam said in the front page news, our rotation might be set.  Right now it's crowded with competition so I could live with a high upside minor league arm who might be ready in a year or two, but if we can get a stud now, then you do it.

 

Anyway, a lot of good spicy stuff in there so talk it up and sorry if it was posted already.

 

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My issue right here: “The Rangers have had extended conversations with the Red Sox but have been told that Clay Buchholz is not available. The Red Sox have other pitching of interest to the Rangers — Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden among others — but so far the two teams have not been able to match up. That’s likely because the Red Sox want Saltalamacchia or Teagarden rather than Laird.”

R u fucking kidding? Is JD really asking Boston to trade Buchz for Laird? If so, I’m sorry, but I would be jumping on the “fire JD” bandwagon real fast. How can you not give up a Salts or Tea for him? That doesn’t even make sense and JD really needs to trade either or for him if that’s on the table. Laird will never get a Buchz type pitcher. He might be enough for a good bullpen arm, but definitely not a stud pitching prosepct.

The way I read it is, if you don’t want to give us Buch, then you get Laird for the other guys, not Buch for Laird…Give us Buch and you can have Salt/Tea

by fds on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, that's exactly how it reads.

I’m at a loss as how to this could be confusing.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto

A big damn long rant that either a) misunderstands the writer; b) provides a comment that allows me to say “well, duuuh”; or c) gets way to riled up about crap that’s been mentioned ad nauseum around here.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I did misread it,

I guess maybe Boston doesn’t want to talk clay at all, but are willing to talk about the other two pitchers, but all we are offering is Laird. And if thats the way it reads, how can you be okay with that Dirk.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's not a correct reading either

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Dec 2, 2008 9:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is how i read what is happening:

Theo: We want Teagarden
JD: Fine, we want Buchholz then
Theo: No, he isnt available unless you want to throw in holland, feliz, or main. We will give you bowden.
JD: Okay for Salty and throw in Bard.
Theo: No bard, and for Teagarden.
JD: Okay no bard, that is fine, Laird only then. If you want to only give us one pitcher we will give you Laird
Theo: No
JD: Okay well no deal…

Just a hunch ha

by Michael Cave on Dec 2, 2008 11:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe...

that is exactly what is happening right now.

We will see who, if either, flinches first.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 3, 2008 5:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I don't think either of those other two pitchers are worth Salty or Tea.

It’s basically a case of them wanting one of our 9’ and us saying the only way they can get it is by giving up their 10 and them saying well how about two of our 7’s and us saying we’re not interested in a combo of 7’s for our 9’s, but if you want to deal us one of your 7’s we have the 5 you might be interested in.

That’s the way trade negotiations usually work, imo.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Dec 3, 2008 8:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I somehow understood that perfectly

I feel sick

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 3, 2008 9:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Sox don't want Laird from what I've read

but I would be more pissed if Jd wasnt asking for the moon. Y should he settle

by CRUSHDAVIS on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I expected more. I think this is classic overreaction to GM posturing. Why don’t we all agree to wait until a trade has actually been made BEFORE we get angry about it.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

We all need to settle down and let the process work. I saw in the paper that pitchers and catchers report Feb 14. I got to figuring in my head that is 2 months +. The season was over the first part of Oct ( for the Rangers ). That is 2 months ago. So we are almost halfway through the long offseason and I am longing for some BB. I guess as we get closer to ST we wont be so cranky.

I do think next week will be critical with the GM meetings. I hope things begain to move.

by BEW on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Catchers

I didn’t read it as all we were offering was Laird. It sounds to me like we are insisting on Buch and are willing to give up Salty or TT but if we don’t get back Buch we aren’t giving either of them up. Sounds good to me.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post received

exactly the right amount of rec’s.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 2, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dick!

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come on

NYTX… I’m just messing around. Here – I’ve put up a fanpost. Feel free to take a shot. We’ll call it even. And I’ll give you a rec just to extend an olive branch.

Go Rangers.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 2, 2008 5:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So much luv around here,

and I was kidding myself, you know that right?

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do now

i think? ha!

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 2, 2008 10:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it just me or is this the dullest offseason this decade?

boring. and i dont just mean on the rangers side.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All over.

4 FA’s signed, and one was a resign?

Snooze…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 2, 2008 5:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is a little early

but so far, a little dull

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Dec 2, 2008 5:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well vazquez (sp) is supposedly close to being traded to the braves now

i guess thats.. something.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what are they?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess

Brent Lillibridge, Tyler Flowers and someone else not named Reyes.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

patience grasshoppa

things usually pick up at the meetings…

As far as the Rangers, JD is usually a Christmas present kinda GM…

First year he made a trade on the 23nd, last year on the 22nd.

Just wait till around Christmas, something will happen then…

45-35
Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but wait, the rangers get mentioned on the news

kinsler and davis buying toys in the mall, woo!

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone interested in jarod burton for laird?

buton on fangraphs

was hurt last yr (lat and back)

Jared Burton – Cincinnati Reds
Birthdate:6/2/1981 Bats/Throws:R/R Height/Weight:6-5/230 Position:P

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 2, 2008 5:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i saw you mention this

in another thread. i wouldn’t be pissed if this happens, but i don’t love it. it seems like a fairly realistic scenario, though.

by clark on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Burton

I don’t mind the idea of Burton. I’d just prefer someone healthier and/or younger if we’re getting a bullpen guy who has just a year before arbitration.

by Andy Seiler on Dec 2, 2008 6:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but who?

names?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 2, 2008 6:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no i didnt

but i liked him when he first came into the league (2 yrs ago)

and il iked him going into this year

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 2, 2008 9:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s the problem. I like Burton personally, but I think we’d be selling low. He’s already 27. I’d like to see Laird moved for someone like Bill Bray, someone who solves the second lefty spot while still being a true quality arm. Same service time, 2 years younger.

by Andy Seiler on Dec 2, 2008 6:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ive read some interesting stuff about hinshaw

some ppl do like you

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 2, 2008 9:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by you i mean him

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 2, 2008 9:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

No one likes Andy Seiler.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Dec 3, 2008 12:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He and David Eckstein have a mutual admiration thing going on.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.

by thedirkatron on Dec 3, 2008 6:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some GM's are the quick on the trigger type

like Billy Bean or Kenny Williams. JD happens to be the patient type. Like Theo, of course. I wouldn’t expect anything to happen quick between those 2.

"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer

by rodcarew on Dec 2, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

the Rangers are looking for pitching? Really?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 2, 2008 11:22 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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