The Javier Vazquez trade
Javier Vazquez has supposedly been traded to the Atlanta Braves, along with Bob Sturm lookalike Boone Logan, for Jo-Jo Reyes, Brent Lillibridge, and another "top prospect."
Vazquez has 2 years left at $23 million on his deal. He's also had remarkably consistent FIPs the past three years -- 3.86, 3.80, and 3.74 -- which belies his 2006 and 2008 ERAs in the high 4s.
My initial reaction was that this was a bad deal for Atlanta, but now, I'm thinking otherwise. It depends on the final prospect, of course -- I can't imagine Jordan Schafer or Tommy Hanson are in this deal, which would change things -- but Reyes is a fairly generic nice lefty pitching prospect and Lillibridge is a guy who hasn't lived up to his statty hype, and looks much more like a future utility guy than a qualify MIF.
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Everything I have read or heard says
Morton, Lillinbridge and Flowers
I am a big Vazquez fan and think he will be a solid #2 in the NL
by laxtonto on
Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM CST
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No Jo-Jo
Mark Bowman says it’s Vazquez and Logan for four Braves, none of which are Reyes. They pick from a list of five.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM CST
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I thought JoJo was the helper monkey
But that’s Mojo.
by Adam J. Morris on
Dec 2, 2008 9:21 PM CST
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mr. teeny?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 2, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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Pray.....for...........Mojo
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on
Dec 2, 2008 11:09 PM CST
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Peavey
Is it safe to assume that the Braves are out of the Peavey sweepstakes? Escobar was supposed to be the centerpiece of the deal, with Lillinbidge taking over at SS. I suppose that they could pick up another SS from free agency.
by Excel Hearts Choi on
Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM CST
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I think it's safe.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 2, 2008 8:06 PM CST
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The 4 players are....
Flowers, Lillibridge, Jon Gilmore and Santos Rodriguez.
by LiamP on
Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST
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Can anyone...
throw out a comparable package of ranger’s prospects to that package? I know next to nothing about the Brave’s system so I don’t have a good knowledge base to decide whether it’s a good deal or not.
by rangerjake on
Dec 2, 2008 8:15 PM CST
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I'll Give It a Shot
Flowers – Max Ramirez a year ago
Lillibridge – German Duran with better potential
Jon Gilmore – Matt West with slightly higher ceiling (same draft class, quite similar production)
Santos Rodriguez – Bullpen version of Miguel de los Santos; pitched in the Appy League at age 20 (same level as Miggy at about same age)
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 8:24 PM CST
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Lillibridge
I think you are overrating him.
He hasn’t hit much the past two years, and isn’t much of a fielder, from what I understand.
by Adam J. Morris on
Dec 2, 2008 8:26 PM CST
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True
I think he still has higher potential, but he likely won’t reach it. He does have more natural abililty than Duran in my opinion. However, I agree with you that he’s more likely to be a utility guy.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 8:28 PM CST
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Fifth Player
I also wonder who that fifth player on the list the Braves submitted was.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 8:41 PM CST
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Lillibridge
The BTF guys really liked Lillibridge at the time he was traded to the Braves. Most of this stemmed from the fact that he was the “throw-in” at the time.
by Excel Hearts Choi on
Dec 2, 2008 8:43 PM CST
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+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 9:32 PM CST
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That's not much at all
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by Conjunction on
Dec 2, 2008 8:51 PM CST
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I could live with giving up that package for a guy who we would be slotting behind
Millwood and Pads.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 3, 2008 4:53 AM CST
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Vazquez is better
than both of them.
by Randy Richardson on
Dec 3, 2008 5:03 AM CST
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much better
In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.
by tricer on
Dec 3, 2008 5:53 AM CST
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Flowers is the only prospect in Sickels top 20. Good deal for Atlanta. IMHO.
5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/10/23/641522/atlanta-braves-top-20-pros
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 2, 2008 9:13 PM CST
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Gilmore
He also gave Gilmore a C+ in the below-20 part. Not bad for his age.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 2, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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vazeuez
seems to me to be kinda like pat burrell – a guy thats good and quite consistant but no one sees as being THAT good – however he is worth more than most ppl see him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 2, 2008 9:43 PM CST
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good thing we don't get to see him
in the dunk contest because that might actually be fun to watch.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 3, 2008 9:00 AM CST
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