Tuesday a.m. stuff
Still not much news out there...I'm ready for spring training to start...
T.R. Sullivan had a mailbag column up yesterday. He's also on the Eric Hurley bandwagon.
Gerry Fraley had a column about Nolan Ryan wanting the Ranger pitchers to work deeper in games and throw more pitches. One thing that didn't make sense, though...
The workload will increase in spring training. If the plans hold, the Rangers could return to the four-man rotation, which has been out of favor for more than 30 years.
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To do this, pitchers must be conditioned to think about going the distance.
It seems to me that, with a four man rotation, your starters are probably going to throw fewer innings per start, since they have less recovery time, and since you have an extra arm in the bullpen. I'm not sure how a four man rotation means starting pitchers throwing deeper into games.
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Ugh
Gerry Fraley.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 23, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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Mauer to Red Sox
in 2011?
As the Mark Teixeira free-agent negotiations go, so might go the market for Joe Mauer, who can become a free agent after the 2010 season. Teixeira, 28, is seeking a deal in excess of $20 million a season. Mauer, 25, the Twins’ two-time batting champion and Gold Glove catcher, next season will be the Twins’ third-highest paid player at $10.5 million. He’ll make $12.5 million in 2010. People in the know say the Boston Red Sox already are salivating over Mauer, who would be only 27 as a free agent. There have been no talks this winter about extending the St. Paul native’s contract, in part because Mauer’s value after last season is at a premium, and it’s uncertain whether the seismic downturn in the nation’s economy will affect baseball salaries a year from now. What is for sure is that the Mauer contract negotiations will be the biggest and most important in Twins history.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/82593-red-sox-eyeing-mauer-in-2011
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 23, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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This is kind of like
counting on signing LeBron James multiple years down the line. For a franchise like Boston, there is a lot of important baseball to be played between now and then.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 23, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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I agree
That quote is from a writer for the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Is it just specualtion? Yes, there is a lot of baseball to be played between now and 2011. There are also other ways for Boston to fix their catching problem between now and then.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 23, 2008 9:32 AM CST
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not like Lebron
‘cause the Knicks don’t care if they win or lose for the next 2 years.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 23, 2008 9:37 AM CST
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Did I say anything about the Knicks?
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 23, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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Is there another team with a legit shot at snagging him in FA?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Dec 23, 2008 1:45 PM CST
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mavs!!!!!!!!!!
(hey a guy can hope)
i bet he stays in cleveland
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on
Dec 23, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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Heh.
Maybe the Nets now that I think about it. I always forget about their planned move to Brooklyn. That’s still gonna happen, right?
So, yah. The New York teams.
No other team has even the slightest hint of a shot at getting him out of Cleveland.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 23, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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This sounds like Mauer’s agent talked to this reporter to jumpstart negotiations and/or get leverage. If it were coming from Boston I’d call it a “we don’t need a TX catcher” smokescreen
In any event, meh
by thedudeabides on
Dec 23, 2008 1:39 PM CST
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The guy who wrote that is essentially the PiPress’s sports gossip columnist. Most of his column consists of inconsequential off-the-field stuff and junk he’s “overheard.”
by morineko on
Dec 24, 2008 12:49 AM CST
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sad
Sports journalism like this piece from Fraley has killed the medium. If all sports writers were as knowledgeable and insightful as Hindman, then I might be more inclined to fill up a bunch of inboxes in their defense. But Fraley’s lazy, uninformed journalism isn’t the exception any more, but rather the rule, and that goes for most of the writers at the DMN as well. I have learned much more about the Rangers, baseball, and sports in general from independent websites and blogs than than I have from the DMN and Startlegram coverage over the past few years.
by clark on
Dec 23, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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That Fraley link
take sme to The Sporting News fantasy page.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 23, 2008 9:21 AM CST
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Better idea?
This may sound just as crazy as fraley’s 4 man rotation but what about a 6 man rotation? I think it makes sense for a number of reasons:
1. More recovery time for pitchers allows them to pitch deeper into games (obvious)
2. Texas heat.
3. This would be a way to work some of our young pitchers into the rotation.
What are everyone’s thoughts?
by Har on
Dec 23, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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No
How about we stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just have better pitchers. No more Luis Mendozas and Kason Gabbards and more Eric Hurleys and Derek Hollands.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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+1
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 23, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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Were it so easy.
And were Hurley and Holland proven MLB commodities. Let’s not get crazy.
by FuturePants on
Dec 23, 2008 10:08 AM CST
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Talent level
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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I understand what you meant.
But they aren’t there yet. Let’s no get crazy.
by FuturePants on
Dec 23, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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Hurley and Holland are already head and shoulders above both those guys in talent level
Performance…no
Talent level…yes
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 11:28 AM CST
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Funny how we 'know-it-alls' tend to rate players on their performances.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on
Dec 23, 2008 12:28 PM CST
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Why Luis Mendoza?
No more developing pitchers?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 23, 2008 10:59 AM CST
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Because he sucks
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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You will eat your words!
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 23, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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I highly highly doubt it
At least as a starter he sucks. He has potential out of the bullpen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 11:28 AM CST
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Alot of potential out of the pen.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 23, 2008 11:29 AM CST
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No argument there
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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Shot
and Score!
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
by Chaim Witz on
Dec 23, 2008 11:21 AM CST
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Medoza = bullpen
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on
Dec 23, 2008 11:22 AM CST
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How about two teams of pitchers, team one and team two, who alternate days throughout the season.
On each team you’d have 4 “starters” who’d be asked to pitch two innings each and one “closer” who’d always get the ninth inning.
Then you’d have two “swing men” who would basically be used to fill in when one of the starters just completely didn’t have it in one of their stints, or if you got into an absolute blowout and/or wanted to to give some of the regular guys some extra rest. Plus they would help guard against the heightened probability that one of the 5 guys you use just not having it that day. (The more guys you use, the more likely it is that one of them just sucks that day.)
I know of course that this is completely unfeasible at the major league level and would never ever be put into action by any major league baseball club, ever. But I think it’s an interesting idea in theory. It’s much easier to develop good relief type pitchers. They can pitch at their max and don’t have to ever worry about ever facing a lineup twice or three times through on the same night so you don’t need to worry about developing that third pitch as much.
It’s never gonna happen, but it’d be fun if a team I didn’t root for tried to implement it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Dec 23, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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lol
It’s never gonna happen, but it’d be fun if a team I didn’t root for tried to implement it.
You’re very confident in your idea working
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 23, 2008 2:55 PM CST
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Heh. I think it'd actually have a chance of working.
I just don’t want the team I live and die for being the team doing the clinical trials and whatnot.
They test medicine on lab rats and not people cause you don’t care if it cures their disease or not cause you don’t care if they live or die.
Let’s test my whacky new pitching idea on the Marlins or someone I don’t care about at all.
That way if it fails and the team that implements it becomes a laughing stock (which they would), I’d still be able to wear my Rangers cap in public.
Wouldn’t you at least be intrigued by the idea if you read the Pirates or somebody had decided that true “starters” were to scarce and cost too much to develop and/or bring in via FA and trades so they were gonna implement this plan in ’09?
I’d be intrigued as hell.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Dec 23, 2008 3:53 PM CST
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Fraley is nuts
I seriously doubt Ryan would even consider a four man rotation. And I’m certain that no one else in the organization would think of it either.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 23, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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yep
He’s just throwing crap out there. There’s no way that would happen.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 23, 2008 10:05 AM CST
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it can be done though
but it’s something that takes years to get use too. these pitchers need to start in the minors to get acclimated to pitching every 4th day. It’s a long process, it can be done, but not in one year, let a lone one spring training…
it’s all about pitch counts.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on
Dec 23, 2008 10:12 AM CST
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I don't think any owner would sign on to that
There’d have to be a completely radical change in the widely held opinions on pitching before someone would take on that sort of risk with those valuable arms.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 23, 2008 10:52 AM CST
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Hicks perhaps?
Because pitching only once every five days is coddling. Real men only need three days!
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
by Taylor on
Dec 23, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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greatest idea ever
nolan is effectively reducing the number of bad starters on the staff by 20%.
i like it.
what if this team could reduce all its other problems by 20% in the winter?
20% fewer errors.
20% fewer strike outs.
what about 20% fewer losses?
greatness.
by sam in so cal on
Dec 23, 2008 10:06 AM CST
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But...
…reducing the pitching staff by 20% does not correlate to a corresponding drop in any category. In fact, my guess is that it means more problems because with fewer starting pitcher innings per game that means a heavier reliance upon the bullpen, which, when it gets overworked, is terrible. See: 2008. Additionally, it just means that the bad pitchers get into games more often, a la Jamey Wright in 2008.
by FuturePants on
Dec 23, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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ha
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on
Dec 23, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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I kind of like the idea of a four man rotation...
but, clearly, we would have to be talking about pitch counts in thh 80-90 range per game. I don’t see any particular reason why someone who pitched 85 pitches couldn’t come back and do the same thing again after three days of rest. Anyway, not infrequently there would be a fourth day or rest in there anyway and you wouldn’t skip the fourth starter in that situation, they would just get the extra day and of course when you knew that was coming edging pitch coun’t up to 100 would be okay too. While it would be nice to have your best four starters getting nearly all the starts, another nice thing is that you could have a group of three set up type men as Nolan referred to (say, Hurley, Feldman and Nippert) primed and ready to throw 2-3 innings (30-50 pitches) behind these guys before getting to the back of the bullpen. I think that would be a pretty effective group in that role Not sure that it can be implemented in 2009 given the questions it would raise from sportswriters the agents, and starters who would often be pitching well but pulled before they were in a position to get a win, but I don’t see any good reason why this couldn’t be very effective and not any more destructive of pitchers arms than the current plan.
by Dalman on
Dec 23, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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Hmm...
Do you think Ben Sheets and his agent like reading crap like that?
by verygrand on
Dec 23, 2008 10:19 AM CST
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As savvy as Boras is
…surely he doesn’t take anything Fraley says seriously.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 23, 2008 10:24 AM CST
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Boras doesn't know who Fraley is
"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."
by Prognosis Negative on
Dec 23, 2008 10:40 AM CST
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Is Boras Sheets' agent?
I did not know that
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 23, 2008 11:22 AM CST
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Sounds like
Fraley is being is facetious, sarcastic self..
by Droopydave on
Dec 23, 2008 10:48 AM CST
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A four man rotation would be a lot more useful in the NL...
as it frees up a roster spot for a bench player. If the Rangers did it, they’d just have to carry an extra reliever to keep the bullpen from getting (more) worn out.
by Wemedge on
Dec 23, 2008 10:56 AM CST
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what if we went with zero starters?
why not have five extra relievers and have each person throw three innings?
surprise the opposing team by shuffling your guys around occasionally.
1. we have dead weight right now (in terms of starters), and it puts our bullpen in an overworked situation repeatedly throughout the season.
2. we can’t get FA starting pitchers
3. we have a lot of guys that could use the work
why not?
this isn’t a good idea necessarily, but it can’t be any worse than having four starters…
by sam in so cal on
Dec 23, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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Heh, similar to my crazy as hell idea.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 23, 2008 1:58 PM CST
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Finally, the Teixeira saga comes to an end today.
Maybe something important for the Rangers will happen in the next couple of weeks.
I know the Braves were out of it a long time ago, but I was really rooting for them as a dark horse in the Teixeira sweepstakes. I just like the Braves and would like to see a really positive thing like that happen.
hightower, just beat me to the post.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Dec 23, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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if you're conditioned to throw
130 pitches a game, throwing every 4th game is not a big deal. In a 5 man rotation, you’re throwing between starts anyway. All you’re doing is adjusting your between start routine. If all this is true, then we should see some dramatic changes in spring training this year.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on
Dec 23, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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It's all Hicks' fault
he wanted a 4 man rotation so he can cut salary
by Telegraph on
Dec 23, 2008 12:20 PM CST
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Its only the beginning
Next, the three man infield and the two man outfield
by BEW on
Dec 23, 2008 12:26 PM CST
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You are on to something
here is how the Rangers can fix their porous infield. Put Golson and Borbon in the outfield. Use 5 infielder. MY, Vallejo, Arias, Kinsler and Davis.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on
Dec 23, 2008 12:48 PM CST
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Four man rotation
It scares me to imagine what a 4 man rotation can do to the development of the younger pitchers on this team. Millwood and Padilla will both be gone after this season (presumably). Signing a veteran pitcher is possible, but who knows how likely. The strength of the rotation will come from the development and success of the many talented young pitchers in the organization. How scary is it to imagine 3-4 of our young starters being pushed into a 4 man rotation, throwing 120-130 pitches a game. This is intensified with the fact that JD et al are suggesting contention in 2010. This means that Holland/Feliz may be pushed towards the rotation by July/Autust of this year, or perhaps into competing for a job in spring training in 2010. Can their arms adjust to this new pressure in such a short time? My thoughts are maybe, but it sure sounds scary to consider. Their is a lot of faith in these young arms. Dramatic change and high expectations make me feel like a sure path to injury.
"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."
by Prognosis Negative on
Dec 23, 2008 12:38 PM CST
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no kidding
You do this stuff with 4 veterans on your team that are durable, not young kids you’re breaking into the show. That’s expecting too much from them. I have no problem if they want to bring pitch counts in the 115-130 pitches but do it in a 5 man rotation to where their arms can rest.
by meatbonelefty on
Dec 23, 2008 12:56 PM CST
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It sounds like Ryan...
…has the “you have to break some eggs to make an omelet” mindset…
by Adam J. Morris on
Dec 23, 2008 2:59 PM CST
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Looks like the Yanks have swooped in on Teixeira.
Seing ARod and Teixeira on the same team brings back old spring-training-induced postseason hallucinations and really pisses me off.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Dec 23, 2008 2:26 PM CST
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No mention of the O's. Interesting.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on
Dec 23, 2008 2:29 PM CST
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Latest update.
8-yr contract, >$170M, full no-trade
That doesn’t sound much higher than the Red Sox, and you’d gotta think Theo would get one last chance to beat the best offer on the table. I wonder what that would imply? That Teixeira still hates the Red Sox?
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Dec 23, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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tex hated the red sox
they bent him over his first time through the draft. he’s been pissed ever since.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on
Dec 24, 2008 1:05 AM CST
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yeah, it's
all over the bottom line on ESPN….annoying…I’ll never take for granted the yankees missing the playoffs ever again
by raiderz24 on
Dec 23, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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How funny would it
be if they just simply cannot get past the Rays?
by Michael Cave on
Dec 23, 2008 2:47 PM CST
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ESPN
ESPN is reporting that Tex signed w/the yanks
i guess we’re going to find out if you can buy a championship….
by Horns130 on
Dec 23, 2008 2:35 PM CST
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Tex to the Yanks
means no first rounder for Anaheim, right? b/c CC outranks Tex. That would be pretty funny.
by BHill on
Dec 23, 2008 2:43 PM CST
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yeah,
it’s really a worst case scenario for the Angels.
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Dec 23, 2008 2:45 PM CST
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NVM.
I think Tex outranked CC. So the Angels get the first rounder.
by BHill on
Dec 23, 2008 2:48 PM CST
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Even worse for the Jays, who get a 3rd round pick for losing AJ, and their competitor
got both AJ and Teixeira, the man that outranked AJ to cause the Jays to get a 3rd round compensation for a Type A FA.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Dec 23, 2008 3:13 PM CST
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The Tex signing
I wonder if this will allow any FA dominoes to fall. Seems like the Yankees would be done in FA (however you never know with them). Maybe this spurs Manny Ramirez to sign.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 23, 2008 2:46 PM CST
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Tom Verducci's story on the Derby:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/remembering-josh-hamiltons-unforgettable.html
Your 2010 Texas Rangers starting shortstop....
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Dec 23, 2008 3:08 PM CST
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