Teixeira to the Yankees
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2008 2:53 PM CST
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PrintMark Teixeira has reportedly agreed to an 8 year, $180 million deal with the New York Yankees.
I'm trying to think of something else meaningful to say here, but don't really have anything. The Yankees are moving into a new stadium and have made clear their commitment to spend top dollar on the top players on the free agent market. They've now signed C.C. Sabathia, the best starting pitcher on the free agent market, and Mark Teixeira, the top position player.
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Tex
I’m really surprised that the Angels or Red Sox didn’t end up signing Tex. Both had a pretty obvious need for offense and money to spend.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions
That's the Yanks too
<<>>
The Yankees had a gaping hole at first base and no shortage of money.
They also added a good glove to that infield whihc it sorely needed. Plus it wouldn’t hurt to add some “youth” to that team.
me too
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 23, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Not me
I was pulling for the Yanks, if the NY media thinks the Cowboys locker-room has no chemistry just wait until they get a full season of two coolers with diva attitudes.
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
You really think Tex is that bad?
It seems people only soured on him around here when he got to be extremely negative about the team.
He's not. People just like to hate.
He was beastly as hell down the stretch for the Halos last year and is one of the top overall players in baseball.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
So is A-Rod
and I like Tex, but don’t understand where all the “great clubhouse presence” talks come from when most people, including CJ have said the opposite.
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
No I don't see him as a great clubhouse presence. He doesn't seem to have one of those personalities that guys rally around.
But I also don’t see him as this cancerous cooler-type who ruins any clubhouse he walks into.
To hear people talk around here you’d think putting Tex and A-Rod into the same locker room at the same time is gonna cause some sort of cataclysm that will result in the End of the Good Face as prophesied by the ancient scrolls of Showalter or something.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Only on LSB
Tex and Young have bad attitudes, and people like Milton Bradley and Manny ramirez have great ones.
AKA you people are pretending retards..
Just for the record
All the dumbshits of LSB that ridiculed me for saying Danks > McCarthy when that trade went down can all stuff your face with that crow.
by shallrelicme on Dec 23, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I'm sure it was awful for you.
Opinion on that trade was pretty split at the time, iirc.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
no, but i do think
there is a pretty good chance that the yankees are going to become baseball’s version of the cowboys. the media glare, the ridiculous contracts, the championship or bust expectations, the stat sheet driven players, etc are going to make them the most talented team ever to miss or narrowly make the playoffs. with the red sox and rays in that division, i really think there is a good chance that happens.
The lack of a salary cap is a huge difference there.
The Cowboys can’t just go out and buy the two or three top FA’s every year like the Yanks can.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys - Yankees comparison
The difference is, the Yanks really are signing two of the best players. The Yanks are still sorta old, but, who did they have to give up for C.C., Tex, and A.J? Nada. They don’t really need draft picks.
I was pulling for the Nippon Ham Fighters...
but this is a pretty good consolation prize. A heck of a lot better than the Angels.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 23, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
So now
Swisher goes back to the outfield I guess? I’m more interested to see what the Angels do now, having said they won’t go after Manny, are the contempt going with Juan Rivera and Morales at COF and 1b? Maybe they start the Peavy talks again? The West is wide open. For now…..
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
exactly
the douche allstar lineup
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I wouldn't call Teixeira a douche
I don’t have anything personal against the guy, although he does sort of give off a weird vibe. I’ve described him to Ben as reminding me of the fratguy who wants to beat you up at Mardi Gras because you were looking when his girlfriend flashed her boobs.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 23, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get that.
He just seems like a quiet, professional kind of guy to me. I don’t understand all the conjecture regarding his personality.
by brettgardner on Dec 23, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a lot of it for some people goes back to an interview with bad radio on the ticket, where he wasn’t really into joking, etc.
whereas a guy like michael young goes on there and jokes around
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Right
like Brett said, the quiet, serious guy gets branded as a douche.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
serious people can take an obvious joke though
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 23, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is semantics.
What a douche means to me might not be what a douche means to you.
I think he’s kind of douchey and huge tool, but I don’t think he’s a bad guy at all.
The idea that signing him isn’t going to be great for the Yanks because he’s some sort of clubhouse poison would make me laugh if it weren’t being bandied about by people I would otherwise consider pretty knowledgeable baseball fans.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
But even the most knowledgeable fans
buy into the chemistry myth sometimes. I agree that Teixeira is a little cold, but it seems pretty silly to me to suggest that him not being the life of the party somehow means he’s going to drag the Yankees down. They are going to win a ton of games with that kind of run support and that rotation. Averaging 6 runs a game is going to help chemistry a whole lot, and his defense certainly won’t hurt it either.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I don't think he's a bad guy
as in a Giles wife beating type of bad guy, but he’s a douche. No question about it. 100% douche
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Teix
just because he may seem douchy doesnt mean he isnt a good ball player and it isnt a good signing for the yankees.
But part of me cant help but wish failure on this purely because its the yankees.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
heh
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/3/16/0116/10620#2713547
you seemed to get it back then.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 24, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Teix
i dont think he has the arod level douche factor, or the swisher level but he just always seemed to have a sort of douchy vibe to him when he was here.
your description seems pretty accurate.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
He busts his ass on the field and is very, very good at what he does.
I don’t understand any hate towards the guy.
Adam, Buster Olney just said that Tex was a sabermetric’s dream player and that he is sure that Bill James was all over the Red Sox to sign him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Union Rep syndrome
no one wants a hotshot kid on their team who every1 knows is only loyal to the dollar. he made that apparent from day 1 here.
was he good? undeniably.
could you build a team that wins titles around him? no doubt.
does his attitude toward team vs. every player making (read: him) making the most money possible effect the clubhouse of young teams and perhaps become a fog over the whole clubhouse?
sure as hell…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Tex actually was well liked by his teammates unless
somebody else has something to say I haven’t read.
Tex probably read this as a hopeless situation – and unless your head is buried in your ass, this is a hopeless situation with this owner and this GM – and he wanted out.
Going to NYC gave him an extra $ 40 million he wouldn’t have made in Texas and he knows this owner wants to win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
CJ has his own problems.
I’m dissapointed in myself for missing Tex’s contract by only $ 4 million.
I’m better than that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
First of all
You’re not better than anything.
Second, CJ might have his own problems, but he was still pretty clear about how the team felt about Tex which is a pretty big contradiction to your statement: “Tex actually was well liked by his teammates”
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Missing by $ 4 million over 8 years is something
dumbasses like yourself would be satisfied with, but not me, I have a higher standard.
Why don’t you go run to somebody who will wipe your ass, you little twerp?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Go get your red n blue pom poms
and do a nice herkie in front of the mirror, Gdawg.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Got some sand in your vagina or something?
Here’s something for you to do the five knuckle shuffle to. Maybe you’ll cheer up then.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 23, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yah, if you were a real man you'd've nailed it exactly like I did with CC ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
I didn’t ask, either.
I just took.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
well we know that big ass CC is a pitcher
so it stands to reason that you were the catcher?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
Yah, right.
He’d split me asunder.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Split finger?
or fastballs? Good thing he’s not a knuckler.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
No, Nady's still got one year left before FA.
Perhaps you’re thinking of Abreu?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
BTW, Adam
If you want me to delete my diary I will. Although we just had some Brian Thomas gold.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Does this mean
the Yankees are out on Sheets? This can only help our chances of getting a deal done with him.
by fightingengineer on Dec 23, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions
Literally nobody has interest in Ben Sheets...
The only team I’ve seen with noted interest in him is the Rangers…
I think Tex to the Yankees is bad regarding Sheets.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Boston or the Angels got into the mix now.
good point.....
this will make Boston have to make a move……just because.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
Boston and sheets makes sense.
i wouldnt even hate that. i know people want him here! now! but i just dont see it unless something drastic happened in a trade for it to make sense.
padilla and TT/Salty package or sumpn wild like that.
otherwise, honestly id be more apt to be sold the idea of Marlinsing the remaining assets we have a lot easier than the concept of buying sheets in 08/09
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Showtime.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Time for the pieces to fall in place now…
by slimshadty12 on Dec 23, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Daniels has some serious leverage on Epstein now.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
yep, boston has to make a splash somehow right?
after the yankees have been signing everyone
Wait 'til the year after next
it fills one of their needs.... a big need
but I don’t care if we don’t trade Salty. I’m ok with going out there with what we have
Wait 'til the year after next
I don't think so
they don’t have to do anything, and there are other catchers out there. I cannot imagine that the front office in Boston didn’t at least think there was a possibility Tex would sign with NYY and that they have a plan to go forward from there.
And trading for Salty or Teagarden doesn’t exactly make them huge favorites in 2009. If they’re worried about reacting to the Teixeira signing they’ll go sign someone like Lowe who is probably a better bet to have an impact this year than either young catcher is.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
catchers
Leave aside Montero and Doumit…the former they couldn’t get a deal done for, and the latter just re-signed.
Who’s out there that is either cheaper (without giving up significant ability) or worth acquiring for more than JD’s price? For example, Tea isn’t far off of Ianetta in Minors numbers or age.
This is all leaving aside the issue of what Varitek does.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Tampa:
- Longoria – Peña
- Navarro
- Kazmir, Shields, Garza
New York:
- Rodriguez – Teixeira
- ?
- Sabathia, Burnett, Wang
Boston:
- Lowell – Youkilis
- ?
- Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka
On paper, who are the two best teams right now?
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Posada will be their "C"
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I still think TB is gonna win the East.
Kazmir/Shields/Garza/Price. Wow.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Understatement of the year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Rays need just one more bat in their lineup
Say, if they got Bradley to DH for them, then I put them on top.
That rotation is just sick though
In Smoak We Trust
Somebody like Giambi would make a ton of sense, too.
But, yah. They need another bat.
Their pitching, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Um, it ate my "wow" there at the end.
The LSB 2.0 goblins hate me today.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
additions
Boston – Lowe
Do they go with Varitek next year?
NYY – Petitte, Hughes
Do they put Joba in the pen? Posada at C?
Rays – Price
Will they go out and get Burrell or Bradley?Who else?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I still think Lowe is very much up for grabs.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Lowe
Mets are apparently serious about him now, according to mlbrumors.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
If Lowe falls to the Mets
I can see Boston going after Sheets. He might sign with them for 2yr/$26M.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
mlbtr
the Mets are deep in negotiations with free agent starter Derek Lowe. However, the Mets have yet to make an offer.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/mets-deep-in-ne.html
Does that make sense to anybody? Are they just doing the two-hand handshakes and nodding at each other?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 23, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
I read it as they're neck deep in negotiations and aren't that far apart in the nmbers and years they're talking.
But that the Mets haven’t formally said something like, “We’re offering him 4 years @ 15mm per season” or something like that.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Nodding
Heh, that reminded me of one of my favorite movies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g6U8SVmFCE&feature=related
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pretty crazy
how good all three of them are, on paper. Wouldn’t want to be a Blue Jays or O’s fan for the next few years.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Their farm system's aren't all that bad.
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by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
compared to those teams?
tampa spent a decade drafting high and they are all about ready, they yanks will buy the best pitcher and hitter every season until they win another WS and the Sox are always killing their opponents.
i think you could be terrible and draft the very best for 5 season with either of those teams, while investing 100M in salary and still not be 3rd place.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Wrong.
If Boston wanted to “make a splash” they wouldn’t negotiate every contract like it’s a chess endgame. They will methodically approach every chance to make the team better, but they won’t get emotional about it no matter what the media or fanbase says.
They just lost out on Teixeira for refusing to overpay (by jumping in and making a splash); do you think they’re going to suddenly do an about face and overpay (with Buchholz) for Salty?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
boston didnt give a damn that much about Tex
with lars being very well thought of, they considered him surplus. basically if they got him great, if they made the other teams pay more…
even better.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
As a Sox fan I disagree.
I think the Sox FO is much more worried about Ortiz than they might be letting on. A little nugget I saw in one of the reports after the Sox left Texas is that Theo wanted to go to $190M and he was overruled by JWH.
I don’t think the Sox are worried about blocking Lars; he’s could just as easily replace Ortiz in a few years.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
well my family has deep roots in boston
and thats not at all what i hear.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
an extra $12M
is overpaying?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 24, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
help me here
how does Teix to the Yanks change anything as far as a Tex-Bos trade. I don’t see any impact. You think Theo will rush to make a deal that he didn’t want to make because the Yanks made another big signing?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
With this signing the Yankees have leap-frogged the Red Sox.
Boston is now looking at two teams ahead of them.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
why would that encourage them to make a bad trade?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
Because they now have to re-evaluate their situation to remain competetive.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Its all about needs
I don’t know if this has that big of an effect on negotiations, but I can’t see it hurting. Boston has a solid rotation and a hole at the catcher position. It could be that now Theo feels that his need at catcher is important enough to trade Buchholz.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
no impact imo
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
I doubt it...on the other hand if we traded you...
we’d get worthless shit.
by slimshadty12 on Dec 23, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Sharky is like Frank Catalanotto
Nobody else wants.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
but you know he'll probably bat .300 with no slugging %
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
oh with a sick OBP
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
What do you think Kevin Tower says
when he see that profile?
Or Ken Williams?
Or MFing Jim Bowden?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Good move for the Yankees
They’ve signed 2 top starting pitchers for their rotation, signed a top hitting great defensive 1B, traded for Swisher who should bounce back this year, and still have A-Rod around. The team is filled with douchiness and the injury risk is huge, but there is actually something to look forward to in 2009 for the Yankees.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
WoeSox
I can’t believe theWoeSox would let the top 3 free agents come off the board to their nemesis the Yankees without putting up a fight. The Redsox management owe their fans to dole out enough money to keep up with the Yankees and if the Redsox fall behind the Yankees and even the Rays, we can re-visit this day in infamy! Rue the day you let Borat march his product to the Big Apple!!!! Rotten Tomatoes all Around!
It's ok your savior is Salty
Our savior is Clay. I’m of the mind set that if you keep saying it it will happen.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Salty cannot be anyone's savior nor can Clay...
You just can’t compare many to the caliber of Teixeira. BTW AirJordan, your sig file, I am a proud Muslim and Obama supported.
by SoxBrainTrust on Dec 23, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
The Redsox management owe their fans to dole out enough money to keep up with the Yankees
actually they dont owe the fans jack shit.
be glad tom hicks isnt your owner.
and let me just go on reacord saying that there is no other team in the world i would rather tom hicks own than the boston red sox.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 23, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Why all the hate for the Red Sox?
I’ve been to some games up at Fenway (which is the best baseball setting in the country, in my opinion) and found the fans to be genuinely decent people. The guys we sat around had inherited their awesome seats from an uncle and were just good ol’ fans of baseball. Now, some people get obnoxious about it on the internet, but I don’t think it’s right to paint the whole crew based upon some internet big mouths.
Red Sux
They have the highest price tickets in baseball and they suck. I just hope when the Rangers dynasty starts 2010 we don’t become douchebags like Red Sux fans.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Dynasty talk...
Premature.
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by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Fenway
My experiences at Fenway have been mixed. Definitely have have some real jerks as fans; feel very entitled.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen both Jekyll and Hyde when it comes to Red Sox fans.
But I must admit, one of my fondest memories at the Ballpark in Arlington was one year when the Red Sox were in town. Me and a few friends were engaging in some friendly banter back and forth with some Sox fans when all of the sudden a group of drunken Yankees fans came walking down the aisle…at that point my friends and I, along with the Red Sox fans that we had been talking to dropped our conversation and proceeded to shower the Stankee fans with a chorus of boos, promptly followed by a “YANKEES SUCK” chant that proceeded to get louder and louder ’til it reached the point that just about everyone in the centerfield bleachers, Rangers fans and Red Sox fans alike, were chanting. Good times. :)
by JimCrankshaft on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I went to the Paul Byrd / Brandon McCarthy day-game last year.
I couldn’t believe the ovation that Paul Byrd got. It was embarassing and hilarious all the same.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
because of ppl like this who think their owners “owes” them something
uh, no. be glad you dont have tom hicks, or worse – jeffery loria.
my point was that management of any team doesnt owe jack shit to any fan lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 23, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ohhhh the anger...
You must be a cowboys fan:) Me too!!!
by SoxBrainTrust on Dec 23, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
If my math is correct ...
the Yankees will be paying their first baseman, short stop, third baseman, and their new ace more per year than the Rangers are paying their entire team. There is something really, really wrong with that.
That's not even the beginning of it...
…Matsui, Swisher, Damon, Nady… possibly Cameron?
Where are all these guys gonna play?
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yankees
The Cameron trade is not going to happen. Matsui and Damon are on the trading block and don’t rule Manny signing with the Yankees.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Damon and Matsui
don’t really see why anyone would want to pay them $13 million or give up anything of value for them.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Seattle
is interested in Matsui to play LF/DH.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Matsui
I get the whole Japan/Seattle synergy thing. But not sure why a team that has no realistic chance of competing would want to pay $13 million for an average-ish 35yo, LFer, whose played 287 games over the past three seasons.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
well
I am sure the Yanks would pay some of his salary. I would rather have Matsui DH than Vidro plus they lost Raul to the Phillies.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
sorta related
I saw this on MLBTR and lol’ed.
The Royals like Jerry Hairston Jr., but don’t have the money to sign him.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 23, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
kind of funny
kind of sad. some teams are stretched to make a three million dollar signing, and some teams swim through cash like scrooge mcduck.
KC
I don’t feel sad for a team that just wildly overpaid a mediocre reliever (Farnsworth, 2yr/9mil)
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, what was that about?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yanks payroll
Damon and Matsui will each make $13 million next year, yet there are 7 players on their own team making more. That’s crazy. We’ll see how it turns out though.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
payroll
Damon and Matsui have one more year left and going to be dealt before spring training according ESPN 1050.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
To where?
and for what?
Id imagine the Yankees would have to eat a big portion of their salaries. Hey maybe the Rays or Red Sox could use Matsui hahaha
by Michael Cave on Dec 23, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, who's going to take them?
Both have had injuries in the past and are a question to stay healthy. Matsui could be attractive to some teams, but no ones going to touch Damon.
Love how the yanks believe that they can easily trade anyone of their players to anyone and get back gold basically…
In Smoak We Trust
New York
I am in New York for the Holidays and you guys should listen to the callers on ESPN1050. Max Kellerman is just dogging the Red Sox. I think the Yankees should have sign Manny instead of Tex. Happy Holidays everyone.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions
Sounds familiar, somehow...
…oh yeah. Exactly like the day they acquired Alex Rodriguez. They thought it was the path to salvation. Turns out it takes more than ARod.
Is Cashman behind these signing
or Hal Streinbrenner?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
didn't the yankees just ask the city of NY for money to support the building of their new stadium
I think it was around the 100 million dollar range
ridiculous
Wait 'til the year after next
A-Rod, Sabathia, Tex and Burnett in little more than a years time.
Its ridiculous.
the preceding post was a great success.
And yet
their payroll might still be lower than 2008, without doing the math, they dumped a ton of payroll at the end of this past season.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
payroll
They dumped about 90 million.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
from Olney via mlbtraderumors
2:55pm: Olney now agrees it’s an eight-year, $180MM deal ($22.5MM per year). Bill Madden says Teixeira told the Yankees he preferred them all along, after the Angels and Red Sox backed off. Ha.
2:26pm: Buster Olney says the Yankees have reached an agreement with Teixeira on an eight-year deal worth more than $170MM.
Aside from the Red Sox, the Brewers and Blue Jays also lose here. Each team’s draft pick from the Yanks is pushed back one round – the Brewers get a second-rounder from them for C.C. Sabathia, the Jays get their third-round pick for A.J. Burnett.
Well the Brewers and Blue Jays do get 1st rounder supplemental picks. But still, this is a screwed up system.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
That's fucked up man.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Remember how much the Brewers paid for CC
They gave LaPorta for a little more than half a season of CC. He was one of the top prospects in the league and all they have to show for him is a disappointing playoff, a supplemental 1st rounder, and a low 2nd round draft pick for him. Before, they were at least going to get a top draft pick for him that could have still been in the teens. That pick just dropped what, 40 spots?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
It got them in the playoffs. Which was the goal.
I’d trade Feliz right now if it would get them in the playoffs.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
You would have traded Feliz for C.C?
Knowing that quite possibly we were going to be unable to sign C.C. at the end of the year, and risk seeing Feliz light up the AL for the next 10 years, just to get into the playoffs?
In Smoak We Trust
Yep.
I’ll take my chances in the playoffs. You never know what can happen in the playoffs or with prospects.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
+1
Unless you’re absolutely mortgaging your entire future, you always take the move that gets you into the playoffs, imo.
Anything can happen once you’re in, and if you’re goal is to win a championship, you do what it takes to get in whenever you have a chance.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't buy
The “anything can happen once you get it” logic. While anything can happen, the most likely scenario is that the more talented team wins. So if you’re doing anything you can to just squeak into the playoffs, I don’t think that’s as smart as adding one critical piece that you believe can win you a championship.
by brettgardner on Dec 23, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think you could argue
that trading Feliz could be “mortgaging the future” for the Rangers
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 23, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
umm yeah,
but in this case we know what happened. It still wasn’t enough, they paid a huge price, and thanks to Tex going to the Yankees, that move just got worse for them. Its similar to the Braves situation when they traded for Tex. If they made the playoffs while he was there, then mission accomplished. They didn’t and now everyone views that trade as a huge win for Texas.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
It wasn't really that huge a price.
The Braves paid a high price for Tex.
The Halos got him on the cheap, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
huh
The Halos didn’t pay that much for him, but I’m talking about the price the Brewers paid for CC and was just comparing it to the Tex situation for the Braves. At the time the deal was made, part of the talk for both of those deals was to wait and see what happened for those teams in the post season. Now, we can see that both teams paid way too high of a price and didn’t get nearly enough out of him. Atlanta was able to somewhat salvage that deal if Kotchman works out, but the Brewers back-up plan took a huge hit now that the top pick they are getting is going to be in the upper 30s and the next one won’t be for a while after that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
+1
Newberg said that the late 1st and the supplemental 1st are worth more than Kotchman and Marek. I actually like Kotchman, but I’d say it’s pretty even… if they’re willing to go above slot and land players who slip at those picks.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 24, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Also have to consider...
…that the Brewers have young, primo talent at 1b and COF. Makes trading LaPorta much easier when you have Prince, Braun, and Corey Hart in the fold.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
Makes it easier to handle
but still not good. LaPorta could have been traded for something much better and more long-term than a half season of CC.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Prince might be on the move, right?
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Why, did someone open up a new buffet?
Ba-Doom-Ski!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
And what really sucks
is that the NYY can get some draft picks back if their FAs sign elsewhere. Is Abreu a type A?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Yes.
Though I’m too lazy to look up and see if they offered him arb.
I’d think they would’ve, but there’ve been some strange decisions this year regarding the offering of arbitration.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
looks like they didn't
offer arbitration to any of their FAs. So the Rays can go sign him and not have to give up their draft pick.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
1st round pick
The Yankees didn’t sign they first round pick from last year.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
this is what should change. they SHOULD have to forfit their multiple 1st rd picks (should have 2 – abreu + gerrit cole – should keep the cole one)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 23, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
just imagine...
what it would be like to be a fan of a baseball team that went out and purchased whatever need they had. it’s awe-inspiring, really.
and it makes it that much easier to root against them.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
but they haven't
won a WS since 2000. I think the streak continues in 2009.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
HSO
They’ll struggle to make the playoffs and be one and done if they get in.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
yeah, we've yet to see how their new pitchers pitch in NY. that's a difficult place to play
plus the best rotations still belongs to the rays and red sox.
Wait 'til the year after next
Yeah
Which is why everybody hates the Cowboys. Although I don’t think it’s on the Yanks level.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
well,
I’m a Cowboys fan and that front office strategy has worked out all that well lately (not giving up on this season though).
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
First baseman comparison
New York Yankees’ Mark Teixeira: $22.5 million (estimated)
Texas Rangers’ Chris Davis: $400,000 (estimated)
Anyone else OK with that situation?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
yeah
Chris Davis is cheaper and will be productive next year.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
well if i was the rangers id rather have davis at 400K than tex at.. 19 million.
but the yankees arn’t the rangers. if i were a yankees fan id rather have tex, and the money doesn’t appear to make any difference at all.
the preceding post was a great success.
Think
how much he will be hated and boo’ed the first half of the season.
We all know about his first half slumps….
I'm Ed Werner, but with real secret sources...
by miles on Dec 23, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i cant wait!!!!
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
This is so true!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
beyond the boxscore quick teixeira wrapup
Can the Rangers compete for the division title with a rotation fo Sheets, Millwood, Padilla, BMac and Harrison?
There is still time for the Angels to improve their team, but simply signing Brian Fuentes isn’t the answer. We’re talking about an Angels team whose third-order Pythagorean record was 84-78, and who just lost Mark Teixeira and Francisco Rodriguez. Somewhere, Billy Beane (and Jon Daniels) is smiling.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Sheets
Don’t you think a 25 mil for two year contract will get him to Arlington?
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
2yrs/$30M
will do it. If they do sign him I think they will try to move Millwood or Padilla.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
The Dodgers need a pitcher or two.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
You need three veteran starting pitchers to compete in the American League.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I say you don't trade Millwood or Padilla now
their value increases nearing the Trade deadline assuming they aren’t hurt
Wait 'til the year after next
I say roll the dice
AL West is wide open. Sigh Sheets and if it doesn’t work out trade everybody.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN reports that its likely between the redsox and nationals, though the yankees may re-enter
go espn.
the preceding post was a great success.
yep.
knew this was coming. That’s a rather stacked team.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I don't wish complete failure on the guy...
but one of his patented first half suck-fests would be funny.
what about democratic socialism?
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
no
I believe in capitalism not communism.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
yes
the other major sports have them and it didnt hurt them.
the preceding post was a great success.
The funny thing is that
if the NFL did not have a cap then the Cowboys would be the Yankees of the NFL. Financially dominant.
by Michael Cave on Dec 23, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
The salary cap is so NOT what hurt the NHL.
There’s tons of blame to go around there, but the salary cap isn’t significantly culpable, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
They've run themselves poorly
cap or no. They expanded too much, imho. Tried to make a ‘big 4’ when there really isn’t such a thing.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
This.
That’s what I always talk about when the subject of hockey comes up.
ESPN gave them that big deal a while back and for a while they were running themselves like the US was a big four sports market, when really it’s a big 3.
Taking teams out of Canada to put ’em in places like Colombus, Nashville, Dallas, Charlotte, Miami, Phoenix, Tampa, etc just made no freaking long term sense.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
do the stars still draw?
serious question. i havent really watched since the strike.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
In certain towns
there is a big 4, but they expanded into towns where that is just not true, and everyone got greedy.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Gary Bettman hurt that league
Not the salary cap. Bettman is a moron who is slowly destroying that league…and yes, I do dislike the guy kindof….
In Smoak We Trust
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 23, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
whatever
happened to the open air games? Was it buffalo a couple yrs ago that played an open air game while snowing? I dont like hockey and even i found that interesting.
by Michael Cave on Dec 23, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
They are playing one in Wrigley on New Years Day
Detroit vs Chicago
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Oh cool deal
Ill watch that then. thanks!
by Michael Cave on Dec 23, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
yeah that was in
the stadium where the Bills play, huge crowd.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
The Yankees payroll is still lower
than last year by my count.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
A lot of people have quickly forgotten
just how much money they got rid of thanks to players becoming FAs or retiring. The Yankees will end up with a similar payroll as last year and yet people are making them out to be spending 300 million next season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Yankees
Just doing a quick calculation in my head they are only going to drop probably 10-12 million in payroll. It will still be almost 200 million. It is funny how much better they got without increasing payroll but lets not act like they are going to be a middle of the pack payroll next year.
Oh and after a quick look in 2013 they have 90 million already committed to 4 players. CC, Tex, AJ, and Arod
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No one complained last year
when the Yankees put up a 200 million dollar payroll and that’s my main point. Because the Yankees have spent so much in one offseason, fans of other teams are saying that they are destroying the game. In reality, their payroll is basically the same yet they weren’t destroying the integrity of the game last year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
noone complained last year? people hav been complaining for a loooong time
the preceding post was a great success.
I've heard plenty of complaints
but it wasn’t that big of a story. It was more or less some complaining ending in, “Well that’s the Yankees.” Now I’ve seen people think that they are destroying the integrity of the game.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Well, Sox fans weren't complaining.
Now that the Yanks look like they’re a threat again suddenly the “poor” Sox fans feel threatened and are showing their bitch fangs.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Red Sux fans
are bitches. Red Sux, Cubs, Mets are the same as the Yankees.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 24, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
this
should start the dominos.
I’m going to guess Red Sox get screwed again when we trade salty to NY tomorrow.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The New York catching situation is pretty foggy.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
But Jorge.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Heh. You think they could together a realistic package sans-Hughes that would make you happy, LH?
Cause I can’t see any way they deal us Hughes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
lol, proll not, but, keith law was on Kellerman the other day
saying that his stock is considered kinda low right now, even with his age…, but, i dunno, I’m not the biggest fan of Hughes myself, but we could have said that about Brandon McCarthy a couple years ago…and, Salty isn’t that bad of a player either…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Salty isn't worth
a guy who pretty much everyone has pegged as a number three? i would have thought he had more value.
He was a consensus top 5 overall prospect last off season. The guy the Yanks wouldn't throw in a Johan deal.
He has true ace stuff. Go back and look at his k-rates as he was coming up through the minors. He can blow people away when he’s right.
There are genuine doubts about him after last year, including some injury concerns, but a lack of top end stuff isn’t one of them.
Where are you getting that he’s been pegged by everyone as a number three?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
haven't heard the Hughes as a #3 consensus
Like you, my impression was that he was an elite young starter prospect with some injury questions. In addition to his dominant minor league stats, pay attention to the fact that he is only a couple months older than Derek Holland.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
I really wonder if he wasn't thinking of Kennedy.
Cause Hughes as a consensus #3-type talent I’ve never heard.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen that #3 stuff just once,
an assessment from a scout after his AFL performance this year. Far from a “consensus”.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
actually, i've heard many say this
now, i can’t remember exactly who all, i believe i heard Law say this on kellerman, and then there is this...
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
So the yankees are gonna roll out
Texieria to go along with a
Sabathia/Burnet/Wang/Chamberlain/Hughes rotation
Dirt Nasty.
Would you rather go with
an experienced Petitte or inexperienced Hughes? I think Joba goes back to the pen.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
hughes in the BP
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I think they
seem to be going for it all big time. Id sign Pettite, keep Hughes in the pen because you know someone is going to get hurt in that rotation. Tex is actually the safest signing of the offseason. Paid too much but he will give you roughly the same numbers every year.
by Michael Cave on Dec 23, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
And he'll put those up those numbers
from mid-May through September.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
It makes things easier to handle as a fan
but it doesn’t make that big of a difference when it happens, just that it happened.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Actually
it works out perfect. Arod carries them early, Tex late.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 24, 2008 2:52 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome.
Great signing by the Yanks.
As soon as the Angels bowed out I figured it was down to the Yanks and the O’s, and I’m kind of glad it was the Yanks.
The Red Sox just had too many moving pieces to really go all out for Tex, imo. The whole “They’d have to move Lowell if the signed him” thing was just too messy.
This only serves to increase the chances the stupid Red Sox miss the playoffs in ’09.
God I hope this happens.
I dislike the Yanks, but it’s nothing compared to my loathing of the Red Sox. I might actually hate them more than the Angels and the A’s. Certainly it’s close.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Angels
this is really bad for the Angels, too. I’d be interested to hear how they plan on scoring enough runs to win the division in ’09.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Milton Bradley
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
well,
that’s an option, though I don’t think Bradley is Scioscia’s kind of guy.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think Bradley could hold up as an Angel
Those outfielders are iffy as it is right now, and if one of them goes down, Bradley is going to have to play the field. His body won’t hold up at all. And besides, he can’t play DH there, since they are going to give Vlad the majority of the time as a DH
In Smoak We Trust
Reggie Willits?
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
What about him?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He's white.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
He can't be
Not with that first name
sarcasm
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's quite simple really.
Willits = white
Rivera = brown
Hunter = black
Guerrero = black
Thanks to those four guys, Milton Bradley won’t have to play the outfield.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 23, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yah. Any move that screws the Angels and the Red Sox at the same time gets an automatic "A" from me.
If Boras could find a way to work something into this contract so that it maybe screws the A’s somehow I’d consider it a certified Festivus miracle.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN reporting...
…A’s trade Matt Holliday, Jack Cust and Justin Duchsherer to New York for Jorge Posada.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Hah! I'd poop my pants in joy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
wow
you hate boston more than the rangers’ only playoff nemesis?!
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
Yep
At least the Yankees admit what they are unlike those bitches in Boston.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 24, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Good signing for the Yanks
Getting their 1st baseman for the future here, someone who could be the anchor of that lineup for years (along with Arod)
But still, you got to think about the Yankees along the same lines as the Cowboys. High paid players, some of which have a questionable ego (from various reports we have seen: Arod, Tex), who are expected to win. A world series ring is the only reasonable finish for them. Anything else would be hell for that team because the media will be all over them.
If this team goes on a long losing steak (like again the Rays and the Red Soxs) you got to think whats going to happen in that clubhouse….
In Smoak We Trust
maybe if a certain pitcher signs here and a certain trade happens.
the preceding post was a great success.
not really wide open
it’s still the angels to win.
we have done nothing to improve the worst pitching staff in baseball last year. hardly a recipe for success
Wait 'til the year after next
Well not exactly nothing..
I mean i know it may be a cop out but everyone will be healthy coming into the year. Also, every pitcher is one year older. That is improvement in a way. That being said, Id feel a lot better if they signed Sheets of course.
by Michael Cave on Dec 23, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Crazy
What I’m hoping the Yankees get Pavano’d by all of their new FAs.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
Pinstripe Alley
Either Pinstripe Alley is dead or a Yankee fans are so spoiled that they don’t even get excited about big signings. The Tex story is still a Fanpost and there are only 24 comments.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 23, 2008 4:13 PM CST reply actions
wow, sad.....
i’m predicting 27 fan posts along with over 1500 comments when we sign Sheets……haha!!
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
They need to sign Manny too...
Can you imagine Manny, A-Rod, Teixeira (in any order) as your 3, 4, 5 hitters… wow.
Already signed 3 Type A free agents
Can’t sign anymore. Manny is a type A, so they can’t get him
Would, though, have loved to see Manny sign with the Yanks instead of Tex to take the rivalry of the Sox/Yanks to a whole new level…
In Smoak We Trust
I hate to be dense, but...
I’ve never heard this before… and I’ve never heard anybody discuss it except on this blog. Why the limit? Draft pick compensation issues?
I think they can sign one more...
There is a loophole in the limit rule where a team can sign as many type A/B players as they lost. The Yankees lost 5: Abreu, Pettitte, Mussina, Marte, and Ivan Rodriguez. They resigned Marte, so that would leave one left, assuming that Mussina retiring doesn’t change the equation (and he did file for FA before announcing his retirement).
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Seems like a guy who'd be receptive to a long term "security blanket" type deal, imo.
I also can’t see him possibly thinking that living in NYC is a good idea for him given his past.
But, you know… Maybe.
I just don’t see it as terribly likely.
Now, Chris Davis? The countdown is already on with him. Tex should be about ready to slide over to DH at least part time by the time the Beasticon and Boras hit the market six years from now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully
CD will sign a contract in a couple of years that will buy out a year or two of free agency.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
He's represented by Boras.
I entertain no such hopes.
Davis is a firm “Enjoy him the 6 years you’ve got him” guy, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
i got no problem, if we go from Tex (maybe Agon), To Davis, To Smoak
to the next guy if we keep drafting the way we’re drafting…and trading…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
You don't think..
there is a chance he remains because of his Texas roots? I’m not big into the hometown discount/coming home thing, but he just seems like a Texas kind of guy. Also, I am hoping we are a little more competitive with him vs. when we had Teixeira. This should help us when his contract is up, don’t you think?
Of course there's a chance.
But imo when a guy signs with Boras he’s doing it cause he wants to get the most possible money out of his baseball career.
Could be wrong of course, but most guys who sign with Boras do it for a reason.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
The key with Davis will be
If we can get him locked up for a few extra years early. Right now, the guy is a great guy and I don’t doubt he’d sign a deal that keeps him here for a few extra years past FA. The problem is when he gets closer to FA and Boras starts telling him how much money he can make in FA. Davis might be better than that, but I’d hate to chance it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I expect the Rangers
will eventually have to trade Davis. Boras will drive him to free agency.
Also, you realize that Teixeira is now a lock for the HOF. Just like the outlaw predicted.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I'm sure he'll be a lock
The NY media absolutely loves slumps from 20 million dollar players.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Hey, I'd be for Longoria'ing him right now if we could.
But I doubt we could… or that JD would for that matter.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
But ... but ... but
He’s from Longview!!! He wouldn’t leave his hometown team!!!!
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 24, 2008 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said..
I don’t really believe the hometown thing is a big factor for most players. Clearly most will go for the biggest dollar. However, some will stay for less money and will make it work if they really want to stay. I am hoping that is the case with Davis.
Unfortunately, I agree with Dirkatron, you get Boras as your agent for a reason.
The Coolers
I thought the rumor was that Tex and A-Rod didn’t get long while they were both here. As I see it, if they didn’t get along it’s because they’re both cut from the same cloth. I get the impression that both of those guys carry themselves with sort of holier-than-thou attitudes that rub a lot of teammates the wrong way. They both put up great stats, but they are entities unto themselves. Something about both A-Rod and Tex just rubs people wrong. They don’t inspire anyone and they’re not leaders.
The Yanks won’t win the World Series with those guys. In that respect, the comparisons to the Cowboys of this year are very apt.
How would you feel if you were Riccardi?
Lost AJ. One of their competitors signs AJ, then signs another guy that bumps the Jays’ compensation to the third round.
Go Rangers!
screwed up
They should at least get two 1st round supplement picks instead of just one.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
yeah, its a stupid system
and CC only gives the brewers a second round pick.
very stupid system
Wait 'til the year after next
they also get a 1st round supplemental pick
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Ken Rosenthal on the Rangers
One slugger to watch: Pat Burrell. The Rays could sign either Burrell or Jason Giambi if Bradley lands with the Cubs. The Mariners also like Burrell, and the Rangers could view him as an option if they do not trade for the Tigers’ Gary Sheffield. The Reds have publicly stated an interest in Burrell, but he likely will rise out of their price range.
The Rangers want to purge salary — right-hander Kevin Millwood will earn $11 million next season, and his $12 million club option for 2010 will become guaranteed if he pitches 180 innings next season. Righty Vicente Padilla is owed $13.75 million in 2009 salary and buyout and first baseman Hank Blalock is due $6.2 million in the final year of his contract. Trading one or more of those players would help clear payroll for a free agent such as righty Ben Sheets. Of course, to move Millwood or Padilla, the Rangers might need to include cash or take back salary in return …
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8980832/Angels-standing-pat-on-offense-…-for-now
Blalock
I still don’t really understand why the Rangers exercised Blalock’s option if they didn’t already have a deal in place to trade him (assuming that the Rangers are trying to dump salary).
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
If we have to include cash
then doesn’t that defeat the purpose of moving either Millwood or Padilla? Not like we’re dumping Chan Ho.
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
What is this constant crap with Sheffield?
Why would the Rangers even be remotely interested in him?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
SERIOUSLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would chop my testicles off if they signed Sheff.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 23, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I have no use for them anymore.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 23, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
LOL!!!
Sorry to hear about that dude. What happened? Did you get married or something?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
got married, had a squid
rest is historeeeee
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 23, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Geez. It doesn't sound like you're representin' Denton very hard, brother.
Sorry to hear about that.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Please
I own this town…just in my own little way….that noone else knows about.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 24, 2008 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
dude, mistresses....
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lowe to the Mets?
This would suck. Bucholz would stay in Boston and it removes a place for Millwood or Padilla to go.
Mark Teixeira’s agreement with the New York Yankees on Tuesday clears the way for the New York Mets to sign Derek Lowe, the free-agent pitcher who had been on the periphery of the Yankees’ shopping list. The Mets and Lowe are deep in negotiations, according to a source, and while an offer has not yet been made, the 35-year-old sinkerballer is the Mets’ prime target.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ge-lowemets122308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
That doesnt really say anything
If anything not spending money on tex makes the redsox more likely..
the preceding post was a great success.
more likely to trade with the Rangers?
I just don’t see how. Can you explain that to me?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Possible Tie?
The Red Sox most glaring hole for 2009 was and continues to be catcher. Now, they have nothing there. Not addressing that need now seems less likely.
Not spending to get Teix, losing him to NYY, and not addressing their top need (catcher) just seems a big PR risk. I don’t think the fans would be stoked if all the Sox do this offseason is bring back the brutal bat of Vtek when Empire brings in CC, Teix, and AJB.
This may be a reach, but I do think the Sox will adress the C need for 2009 in something other than Vtek. How they would do it or what they would give, I have no clue obviously.
So, is Tea or Slaty a big splash? Don’t know, but it is clearly a move that addresses their top weakness for 2009.
by atlantaranger on Dec 23, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
You know that Tea or Salty isn't a big splash...
so from a PR standpoint I don’t think a Salty for Buc trade would do anything, imo.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
In perspective.
In the past two weeks, the Yankees have committed 20 years and $423 million (estimated) to three players.
The GDP of Micronesia in 2007, according to the World Bank, was $369 million.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Opt Out Clause
Well, CC could always opt out of his current deal in three years. Odds are, he probably will. So all this hand wringing about how much money the Yankees are spending seems a bit premature.
What’s worse, the fact that the Yankees are reinvesting all the recently freed payroll (Giambi, etc.) into more productive players, or the fact that the Florida Marlins opened 2008 with a payroll of $21,811,500 and received $25 million in revenue sharing?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 23, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
The Rangers need to sign Sheets
Right now. When was the last time the Rangers had this good of a chance to win the division?
awwww yes ...Yankee fans get showered with diamonds for Christmas..
Ranger fans get thrown out of their seats and maybe Jason Jennings.
Tom Hicks = Scrooge
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
At least we saw it coming
Imagine being Red Sox fan who just found a lump of coal in their Christmas stocking after believing Tex was all theirs.
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
at least we may be getting showered with thomas diamond...
that didnt come out right
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 23, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
at least we traded danks
or we’d be getting showered with VD
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 23, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Jennings?
Don’t excite me LAMF!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Commical quotes from Sox fans
Commenting on Will Carroll’s facebook page:
speaking for a sox fan who is not surprised…Yankees continue to prove they can be the best team money can buy…bar any other team who trys…ie sox, mets, angels etc.
This is just disgusting. Not as a Sox fan but as a fan of the game itself. There is no way that other major media markets can compete with a team that spends 400 million in the first month of free agency let alone the smaller market teams.
As a Father of three teenagers who works his ass off to provide, this utter disregard to a nation-wide recession is a slap in the face not only to baseball fans but ALL tax paying Americans!!
Wah! Wah! Wah!
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 23, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions
LOL.
I hate Red Sox fans so much.
That last one is funny, though.
What an idiot.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
old school redsox fans deserve the glory their getting
new school red sox fans need to burn in eternal suffering.
full disclosure: my mom is from boston, her whole family has been sox fans since babe ruth, and my grand dad never saw a WS win.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Red Sux
fans are a bunch of crying pussies.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 23, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Red Sox are the Yankees when it comes to buying players and wins
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Red Sox are worse
They show no loyalty to any of their players and then trash them when they leave. See Damon, Johnny; Martinez, Pedro.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Both smart decisions
Can’t say anything about them trashing them once they left but as business decisions both of those were very smart. I don’t know if they would have had the success they’ve had the last few years with Pedro and Damon.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Its not just that they didn't sign them that I think is a slap to the face
Its the way they went about it. They offered crap deals to both of them and then were “shocked” when they went to their NY teams for much better deals and the Boston fans ate it all up.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
both those decisions were very smart too
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
To many baseball fans
loyalty seems to mean overpaying old favorites past their prime.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
"Loyalty
Is a great characteristic for a ballclub"
-Rusty Greer
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
As he laughs all the way to the bank
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Rangers=farm club for the Yankees
yup.
i kept reading all this stuff, yanks want to reduce payroll, cant sign tex etc.
yeah, right.
this isn’t surprising.
You cannot realistically say
baseball isn’t about buying pennants.
Or if you do, you’re kinda obviously just being stubborn.
Hey, robot. Off the top of your head- no cheating- what was the Phillies payroll last year?
How ‘bout the Rays’?
I know you’ll probably cheat and look, but I’ll give you a hint: They weren’t #1 and #2 in the league.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Just a guess
But the Phillies were probably middle of the pack somewhere around 80 or so. They have at least one or two very good players who aren’t earning a whole lot yet. Cole Hammels is going to break the bank in a few years.
The Rays are probably around 25. They have some great players, all prearbitration, and a few reclaimation projects that aren’t getting big money yet.
Most of the top teams are the highest payroll teams from year to year, because they can pay their way out of mistakes. The Yanks or BoSox might well miss the playoffs this year, but if they do then you will see another crazy spending spree next year. The Mets will likely make one or two more big moves this year. The only big payroll team that doesn’t seem to be doing much right now is the Angels, well and I guess the Cubs but they sorta did theirs in season when they locked up people.
The Rays are likely to be a good team for about 4 years, about the time they have to start deciding do I trade Longoria, Price et al. or do I keep them one more year and then get some mediocre draft picks back for them?
every1 else is just happy to be here.
maybe a 2 or 3 year run of glory. 5 years max, and then back to the rest of the lot… meanwhile, the yanks keep the glory decade in and out.
look on the bright side, basketball and football are socialist BS hell leagues and i cant figure out who to hate anymore.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Hey, robot. Off the top of your head- no cheating- what was the Phillies payroll last year?
How ‘bout the Rays’?
I know you’ll probably cheat and look, but I’ll give you a hint: They weren’t #1 and #2 in the league.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Oops, meant for Sharky.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
sure
but they’re at a ridiculously huge disadvantage..
and the only reason they can compete at all is because the yanks and sox aren’t allowed to buy everybody they want for 6 years or so.
say it with me
farm system, now just you…
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
Why don't you...
try commenting on something that you actually watch or know anything about.
You certainly don’t know shit about baseball or the Rangers.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I love that game trailer
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Do you?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
yes
don’t you?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Actually, I kinda do.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
sharky is right though
look at footy, the best kids are bought by the best teams before they are 18, and the rest are lucky toget their scraps and the guys who break out that they passed over.
the only thing that keeps teams even remotely competitive is the 6 year window. maybe you can get enough prospects to prosper for 6-8 seasons but 90% of the top talent will go to about 4 or 5 teams afterwards no matter how much you win. watch what happens with tampa. they got like 4-6 year window before it all falls apart and they are all playing for the yanks or sox or angels or dodgers…
no matter how good we are, or become, my faith that tom hicks can resign or is willing to resign any of these guys who wil be our future stars, feliz holland smoak davis andrus when the time comes
its almost inevitable
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Who'd Inoa sign with again?
And you could make a pretty good argument that the best two players in baseball play in St. Louis and Cleveland and that the best pitcher plays in San Fransisco.
Money gives you a super huge massive advantage, don’t get me wrong.
But it’s not like it’s the New York, Los Angeles and Chicago teams and then everyone else or something like that.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Is this actually a "strategy" by the Yanks?
Sign three big FAs in the same year, because if you’re going to lose your #1 draft pick, sign a whole rack of types "A"s in the same year. Also, sign everyone the Red Sox would look at leaving Manny as the only big FA acquisition left, and you know the Red Sox aren’t going to sign him.
Granted, this is a really f’n expensive strategy.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
if that is the case
i wonder if years past wouldn’t have been better years to execute the strategy. Tex and CC aren’t terrible I guess.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
what other past years would you rather do that?
tex and CC are the best guys to come on the market in some time no?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
They are signing guys in their prime though
maybe that’s a new strategy for them…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
LOL to that last line
Maybe we aren’t giving the Yankees enough credit. There might be some actual thinking behind their spend a ton of money this offseason plan.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I woke up this morning to read about this terrible news...
Absolutely depressing. So now do the Yankees…in just three players (ARod, CC, Tex)…have a higher payroll than the Rangers?
Rangeressary
"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton
is that depressing?
I don’t think it is.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
why? its not your money...
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
If you were depressed about the Rangers payroll
you have probably felt that way for a while and didn’t need the Yanks signing of Tex to evoke those emotions.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Throw in the Titan of Jump Throw and with those four you're probably in the top half of the league, easy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 23, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
DTron... allow me to introduce you to
the real Titan of Jump Throw:
Harry Gilmer: Alabama halfback from 44-47
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 23, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
That's a jump pass.
Jump passes are gayer the LAMuscleFag after three Appletinis.
Jump throws are super manly and straight as hell. They’re roughly equivalent to the Brawny Paper Towel guy double teaming Jessica Alba with Tyler Durden.
Nothing else in the history of the fucking Earth compares to the pure natural beauty of a DJJT. Literally.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"Brawny Paper Towel guy double teaming Jessica Alba with Tyler Durden."
You’ve written some funny, messed up stuff before, but this by far the funniest and most disturbing.
BTW, you’re talking Brad Pitt Tyler Durden and not Ed Norton Tyler Durden, right?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
ummm I don't drink Appletinis...
and if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t be a flaming queen after i drank them…asshole.
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 24, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
heh, sorry.
Didn’t mean to offend.
You’re just the most famous gay guy on the board.
Seriously, apologies if I offended. Meant it good natured.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
funny
From Halos Haven:
I’m even more pissed at the HGH signing now We can’t sign Tex or CC because of our budget, but we have to pay that over-rated fraud $10m per year. If you want to bitch, start with that. This happened on Arte’s watch, he’s not the genius everyone
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
After all of this the Yanks have still cut payroll
amazing.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
By how much right now, though?
You gotta figure they’re still looking for another starter… Probably Andy Pettitte?
We should sign Trevor Hoffman
to a one-year deal and then trade him at the deadline for prospects like we did with Gagne.
My ideal offseason
Sign Hoffman on a 1 year deal and Sheets on a 2 year deal. Keep Millwood and Padilla. I would feel great about the Rangers chances for the playoffs next year if that happened. Get an actual ace for the rotation, shore up the bullpen with a great relief pitcher. You have 2 veterans in contract years and then the best of the rest for only 2 rotation spots. CJ, FX2, Rupe, and Benoit aren’t closing games out while the latter 2 aren’t being relied on to be top set-up men. The offense would be great and I think the defense would do good enough to not hurt the pitching too much.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
sub Fuentes for Hoffman
and you might be onto something.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
Why Fuentes?
He’s not as good, not nearly as proven, and he won’t be coming here for anything less than a 3 year deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
At this point in their respective careers
Fuentes is quite a bit better than Hoffman. Actually a shit load better.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
The Angels are going to throw a shitload of cash at Fuentes
I don’t think the Rangers are interested anyway because they refuse to hand out multiyear deals to relievers. Even if we were interested, we would get outbid by our biggest enemy.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 23, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
Fuentes might be as good as Hoffman, but he sure as hell isn’t a shit load better. Outside of an absurdly high HR/FB ratio for Hoffman last year, he was easily better and hasn’t lost much if anything from some of his best years. Check out his walk totals. Can you even picture a Ranger pitcher averaging less than 2 walks an inning?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Ugh. Fuentes.
Maybe if he were willing to sign an equal one year deal, then… maybe. He’s gonna want a 2 or 3 year deal for a lot of money though.
But he’s the epitome of a reliever who can get saves rather than a true closer.
I hate paying for relievers who can save games.
Too much variation from year to year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
I totally agree with you 100%
I think two spots in the rotation for the youngsters is enough. They will all end up getting their opportunity anyway since injuries always occur every year to starting pitchers, especially ours. I feel good about that rotation if only we can get the Millwood and Padilla of 2006 and at least 30 starts from Sheets. I think McCarthy will surprise a lot of people and breakthrough next season. I know Harrison will improve and maybe Hurley can pitch at league average. I also think that Holland will show up in the second half, and so will Feliz, but as a reliever. Our offense is fine, even with Metcalf at 3B, although I would prefer Crede or Duran. Should we trade Blalock and let Ramirez DH and catch occasionally?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 23, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Also,
seems pretty inevitable that Manny signs with the Dodgers now.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions
Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
true - he loves COFers
How did Bowden manage to keep his job? Seemed like he was sure to get fired after the season ended, and wasn’t he also mentioned to be involved in the Latin FA kickback scandals?
by Randy Richardson on Dec 24, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
He's a Rollins College alumn.
That place secretly rules the world.
At least the awesome part of it anyways.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
Another NYY Signing Today
Kevin Cash. Another from the Sox. Insurance for Jorge says Joel Sherman.
This is the perfect time for Doug Melvin to trade Prince Fielder to the Angels.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
Ah, no! Why?
Prince is really good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
The angels don't have to worry about the division
Can’t say the same once they get in the playoffs….
But they know they can kick everybodies ass in this division.
I don't see how a lineup like this is a sure thing to win the division
1) 3B Figgins
2) 2B Kendrick
3) OF/DH Vlad
4) 1B Morales
5) CF Hunter
6) OF Rivera
7) OF/DH Matthews
8) C Napoli
9) SS Aybar
by Randy Richardson on Dec 23, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, and that's assuming Kendrick can even stay on the diamond all year
If we added Ben Sheets and the rest of our rotation could just somehow be solid, we could have a chance, especially if Saunders and Santana regress.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Lost the last sentance
(shakes fist at LSB 2.0)
That’s unlikely though.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
i dont know how its possible
but you inserted more ifs into that assessment than ben sheets has had injuries
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 23, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Things aren’t going to come together for us like that. It’s just fun to imagine that it might.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
of course its fun!
in a way this whole blog is one big fantasy of rangers’ success that may some day come.
i think santana will revert back to his ugly home/road splits and saunders may just be a mediocre #3/4. but they still have a solid enough rotation to win 85+ games. that lineup doesnt do much for me but they have always been about small ball and manufacturing runs, which it should be able to do with at least 3 .300 hitters and some other guys who might be able to cough better approximate their HGH-era numbers than they did last year.
i guess i think reacquiring Tex had only a marginal affect on their ability to repeat in the west this year. they were clear favorites before they acquired him, so losing him wont all of a sudden put them behind us or the As.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 23, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Aree
That’s a good assessment.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Well
they ended up 12 games ahead of their Pythagorean and that was with a great second half from Tex. They’ve also lost K-Rod who wasn’t the Cy Young pitcher some in the media thought he was, but he was still an excellent RP. So there is reason to see the West as being weak and winnable this year.
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well
weakened, yes. and perhaps winnable. but i dont see it as wide open, i think the Angels are still strong favorites. Rivera is capable of putting up an OPS+ of over a hundred and being a legitimate slugger behind Vlad and Hunter.
the problem is we have always struggled to beat them head to head which is vitally important to beating them in the division race. getting rid of k-rod should help but i’ll take their starting pitching over our offense any day.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 24, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
If Rivera can stay healthy
that’s a pretty big if. Plus Vlad and Hunter, their two top bats are just getting older and worse. The Angels are still the favorites, but I don’t think its that big of a margin if the Rangers end up with Sheets
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
the Angels are not standing pat though
They might go after Adam Dunn (for their gap in 1B). They are the favorites to land Fuentes (as their closer). Also, they are looking for a starter to replace Garland. I know they are interested in Randy Johnson. They have a lot of cash on hand. I do hope they end up deciding to stick with what they currently have, but that would be pretty surprising to me if they did.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
Please let them get Randy Johnson
The thoughts of seeing a 92 year old starter against out offense multiple times a year makes me giddy.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
if we don't get Sheets
I wouldn’t mind us signing Randy Johnson. He pitched excellent after the all-star break last year. Yes he is very old, but he is one of those exceptions, like Clemens and Maddux, that are still useful even at the end of their careers. Plus it’s only for one year, 6-8 M, and he would get some people in the seats.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Plus he can serve as a mentor for our young pitchers
and we can trade him for prospects at the deadline. JD is an expert at doing that.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
I also don't like the mentor thing
Let Nolan do that. Hell, he’s the one that taught Randy how to pitch.
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They might be useful in the NL
but that’s about it. Pitching in Arizona in the weakest offensive division in baseball isn’t the same as pitching here.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
So would you rather have Pedro Martinez or Brad Penny?
Or another of those washed up injury risk free agent starters? I do understand that the NL West is extremely weak offensively, but notice that Randy Johnson dominated everyone except St. Louis after July 12. He pitched well in his only start against three of the best offenses in baseball (Cubs, Red Sox, and Tigers) and against the decent offenses (Marlins, Braves and three times against the Rockies). Also, Chase Field is a hitters park, not quite like the Rangers Ballpark, but it does inflate numbers somewhat.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
Sheets or bust for the rotation
If its not Sheets, don’t get anyone else unless you are talking about an NRI.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I know you are not convinced
but just take a look at his game log from last year and tell me what you think.
You will notice how he had a quality start in EVERY start, except those two against STL, after the all-star break. That is 11 quality starts out of 13 and I understand why STL is tough for him. Any left-hander would have a tough time against a lineup that features Pujols, Ludwick, and Glaus. I don’t think he has to worry about that team if he signs with the Rangers.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
I've seen that
And yeah, I’m not convinced. The NL and AL is just too different. Look at the last time Johnson was in the AL and how terrible that turned out. Look at Clemens and the switch he made from the NL back to the AL. All that game log shows is that Johnson was able to dominate a lot of bad teams. If he was facing some tough competition more than just once a month or w/e, I’d consider it more.
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-The Outlaw
I might be interested in Penny on a one year deal low-cost deal with a team option for a second more expensive year if he's healthy.
But why he’d come here to improve his stock I have no idea, so that prolly ain’t happening.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Saunders and Santana aren't an if
Its pretty much guaranteed they won’t repeat last season.
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-The Outlaw
Santana’s stuff, peripheral stats, and age would lead me to believe that he has a better chance to improve, rather than regress. He is a very, very good pitcher. In some ways he reminds me of Neftali.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
I don't know if I buy the walk rate
He was showing some of the best control in the league last year and seemed to have much better control than he’s ever had (including the minors).
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-The Outlaw
Yep you're right Salts..
What have the Rangers done this off-season to make up the 21 game gap? Absolutely nothing.
The Angels know they have what it takes to win it in ‘09 and they’ll buy whatever they need to insure that in the years that follow.
The thing is now that the Yankees, Rays and Red Sox are strong the wild card is obsolete in the coming years so you HAVE TO win the division or bust. The Yankees have a pretty damn good pitching staff and a formibale line-up.
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 23, 2008 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
formidable* line-up
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 23, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Pythaorean though
If the Angels won their expected 88 games and the Rangers won their expected 76 games, you are looking at a 12 game difference. Tex and K-Rod combined gave them 9 wins according to win shares or a little over 12 WARP.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
How many wins do you think Fuentes would give the Angels in 2009 as their closer?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 23, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
He'd be worth a few
but he doesn’t make up for the loss of K-Rod.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
i still think they are sold on giving aradondo a shot.
at closing…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
well I'm glad that Pythaorean thinks theres a chance..
but would anyone here bet me $500 that the Rangers win the division? doubt it.
I’d love for them to do it but the odds are slim.
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
meant to be to dawg
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 23, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
as we stand right now? no
but sheets would be a huge addition. it would take a lot going right for us, and probably significant contribution from the farm but it could happen.
but i wouldnt bet even money on it
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 24, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
yeh Sheets would be HUGE...
but are the Angels done shopping? I’d love to see the Vegas odds when they come out.
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 24, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
The Angels are never done shopping
but they never actually buy anything.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
well let's hope they're done shopping :)
"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"
LoneStarJon
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 24, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
probably not
maybe they get fuentes with his price plummeting. but it seems unlikely they make a huge splash.
i think if we get sheets and they get fuentes, theyd still have a slight edge on us but it would be an interesting summer at least.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 24, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
like Smoakin said
If we sign Sheets, this team would be in great position to win the division. Sign Sheets and Hoffman and I think we can be right up there with the Angels for the division race. Their offense is poor and their defense isn’t that good. They won a huge amount of 1 run games last year thanks to a great bullpen and some over-achievement from their rotations. They had to be one of the weakest 100 win teams in recent history.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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Radio host said today “The danger is losing 2/3 of the county because it’s all Mets Mets, Boston Boston, Yanks Yanks”.
Then as he said, thats not the danger, we’re already there. It’s happened.
Reminds of the Rangers. We have no chance. We’re in the 2/3..
Which makes you guys really happy I’m sure, since you hate the Rangers, and since you love trades of talent for crap..
If I have to hear about thsi one more time on ESPN...
I might just throw something through the TV.
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