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Christmas Eve things

Once again, no news on the Rangers front today.

However, it is worth noting that the Danks/McCarthy trade went down two years ago today.  So even though it is a holiday, it doesn't mean that nothing will happen.

 

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Millwood

Didn’t Millwood agree on Christmas day? Didn’t Torii Hunter sign on Thanksgiving day (after saying he would not be signing anywhere over the holiday)?

by FuturePants on Dec 24, 2008 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

LOL

the poor thing didn’t even make it to the Mendoza line @ .169

"You shouldn't fuck around with windfalls"

LoneStarJon

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 24, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

from my quick look at baseball reference a while back

he had the worst ever season of a hitter with over 200 ABs

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

the problem is

we have heard absolutely nothing in terms of rumors. all those other deals were telegraphed a bit more.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

what u talking about

we heard about Josh and Eddy for a w hile…

by Longhorn on Dec 24, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

oops, and forgot to add

in the same sense we hear about salty and buch…

by Longhorn on Dec 24, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

hamilton rumors/millwood/danks deal

rumors all had more legs than anything we’ve heard about buccholz.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

yea this is true
there was friction btwn ozzie and bmac but nobody thought he was getting traded

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Good effing God

that was such a horrendous movie. It made me question the entire art of acting. I was cinematicly scarred for weeks after sitting through that tripe.

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Dec 24, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

It was an M. Night production. What did you expect?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

It might have actually been worse than Lady in the Water. I did not expect that. I didn't even know that was possible.

Everyone should see The Happening.

The acting and dialogue is just… there’s no word for it.

It changed the way I look at the world.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

What a piece of crap movie

Shammy needs to make that rumored Unbreakable trilogy and stop messing with these terrible movies where he tries forcing stupid twists and such.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

stop messing with these terrible movies where he tries forcing stupid twists and such

hmm this seems to me like its been all of his movies the last 5 or so years

The Happening (2008)
Lady in the Water (2006)
The Village (2004)
… aka Grey (Philippines: English title: review title)
… aka M. Night Shyamalan’s The Village (USA: promotional title)
Signs (2002)
… aka M. Night Shyamalan’s Signs (USA: promotional title)
Unbreakable (2000)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Unbreakable didn't really have a twist

It was just a great movie.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well at least not a huge

WTF type of twist.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

oops

meant to leave that one off

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I did not enjoy that movie at all.

But some people seem to like it.

I walked out of the theater pretty pissed I spent money on it.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry

I guess its just personal taste then. I thought everything about the movie was awesome.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, no need to apologize. We all like movies other people dislike.

I probably have some DVD’s in my collection that would make you want to poop blood.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I only crap thunder, thank you very much.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I just saw another preview for that Eastwood movie

I’m sure you’re loving the previews and hype that movie is getting.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

God that thing looks awful.

Is it really getting hype?

Like awards hype?

I thought it looked so butt ass terrible that I haven’t really even looked around to see what people are saying.

I’m excited to see The Wrestler, Slumdog Millionaire, Milk, Benjamin Button, and maybe Doubt. I could be forgetting something else but that’s all I got off the top of my head.

You couldn’t drag me to Gran Turismo: The Musical or whatever the hell that piece of shit new Eastwood movie is called. Putrid, putrid looking movie.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The Wrestler

was excellent. It’s a movie that stays with you. It’s almost perfect.

by jparks77 on Dec 24, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice. Can't wait.

Pretty much since I heard about that flick I’ve been psyched to see it.

Aronofsky is talented as hell and brings the goods big time when he isn’t wallowing in self-indulgent passion project yuckery.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Early ratings at imbd.com for The Wrestler are excellent,

Definitely seems like a must see.

And Gran Torino is getting a pretty good rating as well.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 24, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The previews are making it sound like that

though I haven’t been looking to read much about it. one of the quotes in the previews is that “Its vintage Eastwood”.

I also saw Burn After Reading last night after wanting to see that for a while. That one is hilarious.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

It's at 73 on Metacritic now that I look, which ain't bad.

But it’s Eastwood and his hams-for-hands approach at the helm so I assume the worst. My guess is most of those critics are either Brian Thomas, close relatives of Brian Thomas, or are old friends with Brian Thomas from back when they used to ride the short bus to school together everyday.

I like this quote about Gran Torino:

The Globe and Mail (Toronto) Liam Lacey
Gran Torino skids into the narrative ditch. By the time it jolts to an ending, followed by Clint rasping a tune to the closing credits, you’re more likely to be rolling your eyes than dabbing them.

That’s about what I expect from any hackneyed Eastwood project: To have lifeless piles of Drama! and Moral Ambiguity! forced down your throat so hard that my the end you just can’t help but puke a little on your way out to the parking lot.

And if there’s so much as one decently drawn character in that movie I’ll eat three dirty socks. It just won’t happen. Trust me.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and BAR was very good when I saw it in the theater.

Classic Coen brothers screwball dark comedy.

Lots of great moments in that movie.

Might have to buy it as soon as the price drops. Seems rewatchable.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I got a movie to be excited about next year

Public Enemies.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 24, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I like unbreakable and signs a lot

village was ~ok.
lady in the water was quite bad and the happening certainly looks terrible (havnt seen it) though.

im still interested in whatever his next movie is, though if it gets all the negative buzz like the happening ill skip it like I did the happening.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 24, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Signs was pretty okay.

It had some really good parts, but the whole “They were driven off by water!” thing as the big conclusion was like next-level stupid, imo.

Up until that part I was really enjoying that movie though.

Some good stuff in there.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That ending was so stupid

I wish the aliens just took over the world or something and everyone dies. That would have been a better ending.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I too would have liked to see that as the ending

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The Village was a laugh-out-loud riot.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Did Lady in the Water get you?

I’m almost tempted to rent it.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

You must always treasure Lady in the Water.

Never have I felt so out of place in public. God, that was great.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

by the way, the oscars are crap

when someone like roberto beginininin (or however u spell it) beats out both tom hanks and ed norton for best actor that year, just dreadful…

by Longhorn on Dec 24, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen The Wrestler yet?

Your opinion will be especially germane since, like MDB, it’s a fight movie.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 24, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

No, but I very much want to.

We don’t get any of the good non-super wide release movies till way later here in backwards ass South Carolina, and some we don’t get at all. We never Choke, for instance, which was one I wanted to see.

Though we do get three whole screens dedicated to any new Tyler Perry release, so, YAY!

But The Wrestler is about pro wrestling, which is supposed to be fake.

MDB was supposed to be about boxing, which is real and has finite rules, but they just completely broke all the rules of boxing and expected everyone to be Brian Thomas-dumb and just accept it. It was like the basketball scene in Teen Wolf where the opposing team is clotheslineing the shit out of MJFox and basically just kicking people in the stomach and not getting fouls or technicals or being ejected from the game, except this time it was a “serious film” so you could write it off as stupid in a funny way. Plus the characters were all ridiculous cliches and the writing was terrible and the directing was even worse. God I hate the movie so much.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

wait

what rules of boxing weren’t observed?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

but

they recognized that that wasn’t in the rules of boxing but that the boxer is fighting dirty. fighting dirty is pretty believable as a common occurrence. It’s not like they changed the rules of boxing nor is it all that unbelievable that something like that might occur in a nobody cares underground match like that.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Women's boxing = underground fights ?

They have a regulatory commission and everything.

The stuff they let her get away with without any repercussions was just ridiculous.

And that’s only a small beef in the larger context of my problem with that movie. The whole thing was just terrible.

by thedirkatron on Dec 25, 2008 6:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrestler

Saw it last week.

Emotionally I was on board but there were a couple moments of writing that broke the spell.

I’m right on the border of recommending it in the theater vs. DVD.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 24, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Life Is Beautiful was a terrific movie.

Benigni is this generation’s Chaplin.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That movie

was absolutely awesome, but I’m not sure I’d rate Benigni that high overall.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally...

I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the team we went to spring training with. No trades, no other major league free agents signed.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably

And from the galloway followers you’ll hear something along the lines of “the real baseball man nolan ryan kept the boy blunder under a short leash and wouldnt let him destroy the franchise by trading away the young pitching”

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

The number of dumb moves this thing has made

has gone down since Nolan Ryan was hired.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Daniels has more experience now than before, and has made his mistakes.
Just because “dumb moves” haven’t been made doesn’t mean Nolan Ryan prevented anything.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

JD makes

an extraordirnarily brain-dead move every year. It has nothing to do with his learning curve.

2006 – Trades Soriano for Wilkerson & Galarraga PLUS the CYoung/AG disastrous trade to SDO

2007 – Trades John Danks, Nick Masset for McCarthy

2008 – Signs both Broussard & JJennings and then has to DFA Galarraga.

And then Nolan, THANK GOD, was hired.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

you forgot Paisano

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

who evidently may have the strongest position playing arm in the system

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

rofl

he’s been my sleeper for 2+ seasons. and i still dont think he’s 20…

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

He was my sleeper last year too. I thought he was going to have a huge breakout season but he just couldn’t cut it with his bat. JParks thinks he could be a good pitcher and I’d like to see the Rangers try to pursue that a bit this year and see where it goes.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

same here

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

rec.

awesomeness

that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

nolan caused both of those trades from round rock.

hes that good.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously

you are dumb as a post. i don’t get how basic logic fails you at every turn

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

This team is where it is

right now (a 72 win team at best) with attendance down 600,000 since 2005, because of JD.

If last year’s team has Danks, CYoung, Galarraga with AG at 1B, it’s very conceivably a 94 win team.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I love this line

Its a 72 win team that somehow won more games than that last year with a lot of injuries and young players involved. Somehow though, this team is going to not improve at all and in fact, get worse.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a cheerleader like you, Gdawg.

This was a 76 win team via pythagorus last year, had a terrible finish (19-29) although other likeminded cheerleaders will claim they were “resilient” and they’ve lost Bradley and made no other improvements to the team, not to mention they have the same dumbass managing the team.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So a 76 win team according to Pythagorus

is going to lose 4 wins because they lost Bradley even though they gained a Davis over Broussard and have many young players who are likely to improve.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Broussard wasn't here all year

and CDavis was with the Rangers in June.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks captain obvious

Broussard/Botts/Cat/Shelton combined for about 80 starts at 1B last year while Davis got a total of 80 games. So half a season of Davis plus those guys is nowhere near as good as a full season of Davis without those guys.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

davis >>> the 1b trio last year

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

oh

and how was your all night session with that Galloway picture?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

using logic doesnt make you a cheerleader

the problem I have with your views and galloways is the complete dismissal of any logical argument.

on a side note, I’m not going to sit here and say that this team is better now than they were if they make no moves.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

This current team

is worse than that steaming pile of crap we saw in 2008.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it?

In exactly what ways? Give us your position by position breakdown with reasons why.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Washington blows

JD is Boy Blunder. Small payroll in a number 5 market. Grandpa Urine said so. Blah blah blah. I saved you some time Josey.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta wrap some presents

and then get ready for church.

I’ll get back to you but I won’t fill you with any rosey bullshit either.

Merry Christmas!

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

you'll just fill us full of shit?

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You have a brain

I’m just encouraging you to use it to give us detailed reasons instead of just repeating your mantra.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

i would like to know this as well

who is “predicted” to have worse stats than last year?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

BP’s 3rd order wins says that the Rangers were a 79 win team and the Angels an 84 win team last year.

Bill James says that’s more indicative than Pyth. W/L.

But what does Bill James know, anyway…he works for a team that wouldn’t even pony up to sign future HOFer Mark Teixeira.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

too bad they actually play games and keep score.

last i checked, w/l was what determined playoffs

i have no idea what alternative records mean, but ask ourselves why laa was so much better than their make believe results.

being 36-21 against the west probably helps. maybe if texas could play shitty teams like texas, they would do better, too. texas won’t do better than 2008’s 30-27 against the west this year (imo).

laa has a great manager (at least relative to washington).

basically laa is winning games they shouldn’t? is that what this means? that seems to me to be a team that has heart and plays great (until the playoffs). you don’t lose that in the winter do you?

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

" have no idea what alternative records mean"

You don’t say.

I’ll be honest, I don’t know everything that goes into that analysis, but I’m not going to dismiss something as meaningless and in the same sentence admit I don’t know what the f I’m talking about. I’m funny that way.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 24, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Love the signature

“I never met anyone in baseball more positive about life than Rex Hudler.”

That’s because he was stooooned.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 24, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hudler should wake up each morning

and have someone just kick him in the nuts. He’s earned it.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i didnt dismiss it as meaningless

as much as i tried to explain why they were significant dipshit

that’s where the “ask ourselves why laa was so much better…” comes into play.

i’m not a genius, but i think’s it’s good to read the entire post before making a stupid comment.

i’m funny that way.

my entire post was conceding the fact that i have never studied alternative records, but there must be a logical reason why LAA beat that number by 16 games.

luck? gawg thinks a team can luck its way to 100 wins. really?

winning 1 run games, too? how is that a bad thing? i really don’t understand how coming from behind to win, holding off a team’s rally or gritting out a low-scoring game makes LAA less good.

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, luck

Playing in as many 1 run games as they did and having the record they did in those games was luck. Unless you think that they are so magically awesome that they can force comebacks and use their grit to hold off rallies, or whatever.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that luck? Or just a really good bullpen?

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

hmm

had a somewhat long post here but it disappeared or something.

Basically, its not just 1 run games specifically, its the low scoring games. Through June, the Angels were something like 15 games above .500 yet had a run differential of +7. Their good bullpen certainly helped them out since they would close out most close games, but getting those low scoring games in the first place did require a good bit of luck. Also, their bullpen isn’t going to be as good next year.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch it now

Don’t make me whip out some LD numbers

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hehe

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the O-Swing % that I'm afraid of.

If you wanna know the truth that’ actually a huge reason the Halo’s win year after year.

They rule faces when it come to O-Swing %

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It's totally

all about that freaking rally monkey that supposedly works.

by jonthefon on Dec 24, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

you are a dipshit

in case you were wondering

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

The record against the West is irrelevant

And if you believe that they outperformed their predicted record because of heart and playing great, well, then yeah, it wouldn’t disappear over the winter. I don’t think they outperformed their Pythag record because of that, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

umm no
being 36-21 against the west probably helps. maybe if texas could play shitty teams like texas, they would do better, too. texas won’t do better than 2008’s 30-27 against the west this year (imo).

That has nothing to do with it. Winning a lot of 1 run games and losing games by a margin larger than that is why that was the case. And Scioscia is anything but a good manager.

What all these expected records suggest is that the Angels won 100 games based on a huge amount of luck and that they aren’t nearly as good as their record suggests.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

So if you are setting the over/under for number of wins...

…for the Rangers in 2009, you’d set the line at, what, 69.5?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

"Attendance down 600,000 since 2005"

That’s JD’s fault alright. I’ve seen it. When he drives to games he absolutely mows fans down in the crosswalks. When he’s not killing us with his trades of HOFers, he’s killing us with an El Camino.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 24, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Boy Blunder plays too much GTA. Anyone here watch Metalokalypse? I can see JD being like Deathklok and constantly killing fans.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Metalocalypse

I think the real question here is: who is the William Murderface of the Texas Rangers?

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by RCCook on Dec 24, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I just giggled my fucking ass off.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't stop now.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't believe in too many

coincidences, rentz.

The dumbass moves stopped when Nolan was hired.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

then my hat must really keep aliens away

thank goodness because i was doubting its powers for a moment.

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by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

They're coming, alright.

Just give it time.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I don't care

Give Nolan the credit. Give Daniels the credit. Give Hicks or Preller or Levine or Chuck Morgan and John Blake the credit.

If the team makes good moves and does well, I don’t care who we all say it is because of.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

*WWND *

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be dissapointed, but not shocked.

Personally I think we’ll see us swoop in on one of the mid range guys in a month or so once people start getting desperate, but it won’t be a big move.

Maybe a one year deal for Crede, or a one year + an option deal for Brad Penny or something like that.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

BP help

I think if they sign a guy it’ll be for the BP. More than likely it’ll be Cordero.

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by AirJordan on Dec 24, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. Though I think it'll be a lesser name than Cordero.

I think they’re pretty set with Fx2 as the closer and Chris-John, Mad Dog, and Jack Benny as the setuppers.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

if juan cruz wasnt a type A id want him

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind that terribly if the money were right. If he wanted a Farnsworth type 2 year deal I could be convinced, I guess. Wouldn't be crazy about it, though.

Losing a 2nd round pick isn’t a huge deal to me as long as we’re still spending to bring in some overslot guys later and in LA and Asia.

But I have a feeling Cruz is gonna want a lot more than a good but not great middle reliever should be worth.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

ive loved the guy since he was w/ the cubs and he seems to have finally put it together

and yes, i agree w/ you on cruz, not only is he a type A i dont know/think that the rangers like him over CJ or FX2 or even madrigal/etc

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of seems like the trade deadline from this past season

A ton of rumors flying around with possible deals, but none that seem that realistic or help the Rangers out. We got to hope someone gets desperate and that Hicks opens the wallet for Sheets.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That would suck wouldn't it?

We should at least try to compete next year. I know we have a good looking plan going on, but that doesn’t mean we should just raise a white flag for 2009.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Buster Olney on ESPN......

said this Teixeira deal hurts Varitek alot because he thinks the negotiations between Boras and the BoSox got hostile toward the end and that they may not want to deal with Boras’s BS regarding Varitek. I don’t know if that is true, but wouldn’t that make them a more aggressive trading partner? Not trying to suggest they do a Buch-Salty trade, but couldn’t it make them more interested in trying to make something work instead of both sides playing this waiting game?

by CS3 on Dec 24, 2008 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Cash

Don’t forget they also lost Kevin Cash to the dreaded Yankees.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 24, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget

that we lost our “Kevin Cash gets non-tendered” diary when Adam deleted Wilfong’s post. I was hoping to see where that post went because it had tons of potential.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

lost cause

i want to preface this by saying that i am increasingly discouraged, but i also want to point out that my logic is valid…

the rangers cannot compete this year, so why spend money or waste prospects?

in fact, the rangers cannot make the playoffs for the next 3+ years, so why bother? why would we even consider sheets for example?

i know this is a glass is completely empty view, but the reality of the situation is that texas needs to do one of the following:

1. make up 21 games on a team that is committed to winning and as norm pointed out this week will always outspend texas (as long as moreno is owner)

-or-

2. be better than the two worse of BOS/TB/NYY – two of which will outspend TEX 4-1.

the team can improve and be competitive, but it will be virtually impossible to make the playoffs anytime soon.

serious point here: if people are so interested in prospects and who will make an impact going forward, frisco would be a better use of your time.

i know it’s a long time ago, but some of you may remember when teixeira was a ranger – a number one pick at that. (yes, sarcasm) is that what we have to look forward to with other players that come through the system?

good (eventually) is not good enough, and completely sucking in the interim period is an insult to people like me and my family that have owned season tickets for nearly 20 years.

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

good.

i feel better now.

merry christmas.

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, Sam

Don’t forget that spending isn’t necessarily the key factor here…to wit, Tampa and Minnesota. And, are you that down on the prospects that will be arriving here in droves soon?

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Dec 24, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

so, teams that spend more are less likely to win?

obviously not. while teams that overspend aren’t guaranteed success, they have an inherent advantage. every FA will sign with NYY/BOS/LAA before texas if given the opportunity for the same money. when the amount increases, it’s even more of a certainty that they will. no one wants to play here unless they don’t have better options. NYY/BOS/LAA are also better capable of retaining their own players (teixeira NEVER would have signed here). money is the primary factor, but the franchise is also a perennial loser.

i am not down on the outstanding talent that could potentially reach arlington. zero injuries? zero guys that don’t flame out? zero guys that get traded because they couldn’t reach their potential here? sure, i am a little excited, but let’s see how much of this talent reaches the major league level IN ARLINGTON, and REACHES EXPECTATIONS. my guess is that 50% or more of these guys don’t do what others hope they will with regard to both. statistically, that number (50%) might be way too high.

LAA – they have first right of refusal on any top level player ahead of texas, and that is a big obstacle to overcome – along with the 21 games. fwiw – they were 11.5 ahead of texas before teixeira was acquired last july, and how many of those 21 games are lost b/c of a closer? even if they were straddled with CJ wilson, that number might only be reduced by 4-5 games. every game that k-rod saved LAA had the lead, and would probably win anyway. they won’t go from k-rod to k-fed (too far of a reach?). i can assure you that if a good closer is available, LAA has a better chance of signing him than texas. i don’t give much to either point, adam. sorry.

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

What big name FAs have signed with LA lately?

Tori Hunter? Vlad? Thats about it right? Vlad is old as dirt and his knees are older and Hunter, while good, isn’t a player that carries a team. They have benefitted just as much from playing in a weak division as they have from signing big name free agents. They are an aging team that just lost two primo players who they can’t replace. The Rangers, and As, are both young rising teams that don’t have to have the payrolls of LA to compete right now.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

x
1. make up 21 games on a team that is committed to winning and as norm pointed out this week will always outspend texas (as long as moreno is owner)

Look at the teams’ respective Pythagorean records. Anaheim and Texas weren’t that far apart last year. And that’s before you take Teixeira and K-Rod away.

The idea that the Rangers simply can’t possibly compete with the Angels is silly.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

when you compare the two team's rotations

it seems really silly to think that we could compete with the Angels.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Hell yeah

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by LSJ on Dec 24, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

do you really look at the two teams and say, well, gee, the Angels have a much better rotation than Texas does, so let’s just blow off the season and forget about ever competing?

Never suggested that we blow off this season, my suggestion is to sign Ben Sheets and Brian Fuentes and trade a catcher for the best pitcher we can get in return.

I mean, good grief…the team that has the best rotation — even by a good margin — doesn’t necessarily always win.

Not always, but usually.

I see their rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters.

I think you are severely underestimating Ervin Santana. He was dominant last year and is likely to improve. Jered Weaver and Joe Saunders as the 3-4 starters is pretty damn stout. Seems as though you are perpetually underwhelmed by the Angels, but maybe you overlook the fact that they outperform your expectations and win the division every year.

yet the run differential between the two teams wasn’t so great

I’m not sure what you are talking about. The Angels were +68 runs last year and the Rangers were -66. That is a differential of 134 runs, which certainly seems substantial to me. Pinning our hopes on a team that appears to be returning basically intact from last season, when they were one of the worst teams in baseball at pitching and defense seems silly to me.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Santana does look pretty beastly. Use whatever you want (tRA, FIP, etc.) and they all say he was fantastic last year and should be fantastic in the future.

Really the only problem I have anointing him a #1 starter is the increase in innings. He pitched 69 more innings in ’08 than in ’07, making him a prime candidate for the Verducci effect.

Saunders is a mirage guy, imo. He’s a LAIE posing as a #2. That said, like you noted above, he’s a pretty damn good back of the rotation option.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Santana

I mentioned this last night too, but do you and tricer really think that Santana’s control is legit? He had a 1.93 BB/9 last year. I just don’t see that holding up.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

re: Santana.

Well he supposedly made some small mechanical tweaks before last year which helped, but I think the big thing is that he cut way on his use of his change (from 10% in ’05, to 5.5% in ’07 to 3.9% in ’08) and scrapped his curveball altogether (8.7% in ’07, to 0.8% in ’08) and just focused on his two dominant pitches that he can command at will, his darting fastball and his slider.

So there’s definitely some basis for me to think the uptick in control was for realserz.

I don’t think he’s a real good bet to keep the bb/9 under 2, but he’s had good control in the past, posting 3.16 in ‘05 and 3.09 in ’06, so even if he splits the difference and posts a ~2.5 next year that’s still pretty freaking crazy for a guy who K’s nearly a batter an inning.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you didn't say this but

tricer was talking about seeing an improvement from Santana this year and if he does end up posting a walk rate of ~2.5BB/9, then he isn’t likely going to be improving next season and is going to get a bit worse. And if that’s the case, the Angels are looking at a solid top of the rotation in Santana and Lackey with nothing special behind them. Weaver and Saunders will be decent again and I’m crossing my fingers that Escobar makes it back next year (I love the thought of the Angels letting him try a comeback), but that isn’t going to carry a team with that offense and defense.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm kind of scared that they're gonna swoop in and get Peavy now.

Something like Kendrick, Adenhart and Brandon Woods might get it done, + or -.

Let Figgins take over 3b full time, Iztruis at SS and Aybar at 2b.

The offense from those 3 would be subpar, but they’re all good defenders, especially Izzy and Aybar up the middle.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Think they can build around those pieces?

Each of those guys have lost tons of luster over the last two years, so I wonder if the Angels have the talent at all to get a Peavy deal done. I’d think they’d have to include a third team without a doubt.

by Andy Seiler on Dec 24, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine, let them get Peavy

That means they’re probably better in ‘09, but they also saddle themselves with another very large paycheck to an aging player over the next few years. And they’ve given up some young talent to do so. I think a + with that three you mention.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm banking on them trading for a Fielder-type.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that

would change things up a bit. Doesn’t seem like the kind of guy they’d trade for, big fat and slow, but they should be out pursuing a big bat in some form.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and I take it we're all assuming Lackey's problems in '08 were injury related?

I kind of am.

Cause he struggled a bit (at least for him) last year. 4.5 FIP and a 5.15 tRA.

I’m thinking he’s a real good bet to bounce back this year, but, who knows.

He could genuinely be in decline.

One can hope anyways ;)

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he'll repeat his 07 season

but I think something in the middle is likely. Something like a 130 ERA+ over 200 innings is what i would expect from Lackey.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

~9 k/9
~2.5 bb/9

is awesome

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, why are you so high with bringing in Fuentes?

He’s been a fairly good but unreliable year-to-year reliever in the past who’s never been anywhere close to as good as he was in ’08.

If I was confident that ‘08 was the real Fuentes… then, sure. But I’m not.

I hate the idea of paying him closer money based on what looks to me to be a career year.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

closer money

Last thing I saw was indicating that he would probably take 15-18 million over 3 years, that is a pretty good bargain IMO. Plus I think adding a late inning lefty would really bolster the pen. I don’t think he is God’s gift to bullpens or anything, but at that price I think he would be worthwhile and fill a pretty important role that we don’t have anybody ready

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow. Okay. For that money then hells to the yes.

I was thinking he was in line for 3/33 or 2/25 or so.

I just looked around and saw the 3/18 rumor. If that’s true then we need to be in on that. Fuentes is a good but not great back end of the bullpen guy. I’d go 3/21 for him, easy.

But I’m still thinking he’ll get 3/27 is the minimum he’ll get from someone as the “oh no we’ve missed out!” desperation sets in in mid-January for teams like the Angels or the Cards, and I don’t know if I’d go there.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

everything Rangers-related always sucks and we have to do the "you people are so dumb for thinking Texas will ever succeed" routine

You went a little overboard there buddy. I don’t think everything Rangers related sucks. I do think the starting rotation and the defense sucked last year. There is readily available data that pretty much proves those assertions as facts, not some crazy opinion hypothesized by a Ranger hater.

I don’t see that either of those areas, the rotation and the defense, have been improved. So, I mean, is it really a stretch to think that bringing back the same cast of characters that provided shitty defense and shitty pitching last year, just might possibly do the same thing next year?

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

x
s it really a stretch to think that bringing back the same cast of characters that provided shitty defense and shitty pitching last year, just might possibly do the same thing next year?

The bad defense at 2B and 3B should be better.

And, as I mentioned below, if the young starters who broke in last season aren’t going to improve any this year, then we might as well just release them and quit wasting 40 man roster spots on them.

The point of building from within is to have internal improvements. It isn’t that Eric Hurley and Matt Harrison are going to show up as rookies, post 5.50 ERAs, and then we know that that is what they’ll always be. If you are trying to build with prospects and young players, you have to expect some improvement from the players you are breaking in from year to year, or else there’s no point trying to rebuild.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

no arguments

but you also cant count on their improvement or measure it to any degree worth counting on.

it a guess basically.

“they are bound to get better”

the highways to and from DFW are littered with the scattered remains of pitchers froma arlington that were bound to get better.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

If they aren't going to get any better...

…then release them and quit wasting money and roster spots on them.

Just cut Eric Hurley, Matt Harrison, Scott Feldman, Brandon McCarthy, Tommy Hunter, and whomever else right now.

If that’s where we are, then there’s no point in wasting time on them. Just release them and go find some warm bodies for the rotation until Feliz, Holland et al are ready.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

some will get better, some won't

seems like you are expecting every single one of them to flourish, and accusing anyone that disagrees of expecting every single one to falter. Truth is in the middle.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Some will get better

He named two YOUNG 22 year old pitchers that showed signs of being a good pitcher. Why would you not expect young players to get better?

by meatbonelefty on Dec 24, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

getting better is one thing

competing for pennants? thats a little much. no1 here is saying cut them, just dont expect them to make a title run after 1/2 a season of the majors.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Angels

don’t outperform their Pythagorean by a mile, then the Rangers aren’t that far back in the division race last year. Throw in some improvements from those young guys to a decent level and take away the Blalock/Davis/Vazquez trio from 3B and you’ll have them competing for the division. They still won’t win, but you won’t be seeing the Rangers get eliminated that quickly from the division race. Remember that the Angels also lost K-Rod and Tex while seeing their offense rely on two declining players.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but they only had tex for like a week and they didnt give up shit to get him

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Tex was pretty damn

good for them down the stretch.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

But did he get them where he was supposed to get them?

They didn’t trade for Tex to simply get in the playoffs they were already there. They traded away guys to get someone they felt would get them to the World Series and that didn’t happen. Had it happened then I don’t think they would mind being in the position they are in now. But since trading for Tex got them no further than they would have been elsewhere then I do think they would like to have Kotchman back for the next few years

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right, he was worthless

him and his .550 OBP in the playoff series. I think they did the right thing in trading for him, but I couldn’t be happier at how it’s turned out for them.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't saying he was worthless

But he was brought in to get the over the hump and into the World Series.

The following is purely hypothetical.

Tell me, if in 2011 the Rangers were virtually locked into a playoff spot at the end of July and decided to trade Chris Davis for Ryan Howard. In this scenario Howard is a free agent at the end of the year and Davis has 3 years left of team control and we don’t have Justin Smoak ready and waiting in the minors or anyone else at 1B really. We get to the playoffs and Howard performs really well but we get knocked out of the 1st round. Would you view that as a success? I wouldn’t. Because the next year when Howard walks we are left with a hole at 1B we have to fill and we didn’t get any further along than Davis could have gotten us.

Now the Brewers this year they have to be happy about what CC brought to them even though they only get a 2nd round pick for him and hes gone now. Why? Because when they acquired and aid a high price for him they were in the middle of a playoff race. He put them over the hump and into the playoffs. Further along than anyone else on their team would have gotten them. So while it sucks they didn’t gt a first rounder back in compensation and they don’t have Laporta they did get what they brought CC in for.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Milwaukee should still be pissed

from an on-the-field perspective. Especially with the Yankees getting Tex. The difference is that making the playoffs for Milwaukee has got to be a huge boost for their fans and will most likely increase revenue next year by a good margin while the Angels continue to disappoint their fans.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

Why should Milwaukee be pissed from an on the field perspective? CC not only pitched amazingly for them but got them to the playoffs. Thats exactly what they wanted when they traded for him. Sure they probably hoped he would lead them further but their primary goal was just to get to the playoffs.

LAs primary goal was to get past the first round and into the World Series. They didn’t need Tex to get to the playoffs. Kotchman could have gotten them to the playoffs.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

They should be pissed

because they traded LaPorta for him and while they made it to the playoffs, they didn’t get very far and the consolation prize took a huge hit when Tex signed with the Yankees. If they still got a 1st rounder plus the supplemental 1st round pick, it wouldn’t look bad at all, but the chance of getting anything close to a LaPorta talent with either of their picks now is pretty bad.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Would Laprota have gotten them to the playoffs last year?

No. CC did. Thats what they wanted. Anything more was icing on the cake. They traded for CC to get them to the playoffs and he did. It was a successful trade on their part. Sure a better draft pick would be nice but they made the playoffs because of CC Sabathia.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

We have the gift of hindsight though

Making it to the playoffs isn’t the ultimate goal. Winning a WS is. I’m not saying it was a bad gamble at the time and I think it will go a long way to helping that fan base. That team will still end up hurting more in the long run by trading LaPorta for a supplemental 1st round pick and a low second round draft pick.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

234 PAs is more than a week

Morales has a 83 OPS+ through 407 career PAs. Kotchman isn’t great, but he’s much better than that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

while our young players are improving

is there a chance that the Angels young players will also be improving?

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Who do you have in mind

as having the potential to improve for the Angels?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Brandon Wood – 23
Sean Rodriguez – 23
Howie Kendrick – 25
Jose Arredondo – 24
Erick Aybar – 24
Nick Adenhart – 22
Jordan Walden – 21

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Jose Arredondo is gonna be awesome

he’s their closer

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Arredondo is awesome, but he's also a good candidate for implosion.

Lots of innings for a guy who’s pretty new to pitching, and now he’s likely gonna be thrust into a super high pressure role this year.

Let’s see him put together back to back seasons of goodness before we anoint him the next KRod.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Any1 remember when they coulda packaged 2 or 3 of those guys

for Johan or basically any1 in the league?

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Some Ranger fans need to be reminded about that

When they want to kill JD over any trade rumor involving a prospect.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

See my post below for some of those guys

Arredondo was already great last season. How much better do you expect him to be this season? Adenhart hasn’t had any success in the upper levels of the minors and isn’t likely to contribute much to the Angels next season. Walden is a 20 year old with a great season in A ball and a handful of starts in high A last year. There is no way he does anything for the Angels next season.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

See my post below for some of those guys

Arredondo was already great last season. How much better do you expect him to be this season? Adenhart hasn’t had any success in the upper levels of the minors and isn’t likely to contribute much to the Angels next season. Walden is a 20 year old with a great season in A ball and a handful of starts in high A last year. There is no way he does anything for the Angels next season.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So, we can write off a 22 year-old Adenhart because he got his clock cleaned in his first taste of the big-leagues...

…But Eric Hurley and Matt Harrison are just destined to improve this year…

Sure…

Also, your Walden argument is not good.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, that is absolutely wrong

The upper levels isn’t 12 innings in the Majors. Look how he did in AA and AAA. I expect Hurley to improve this team’s pitching because he was very good in Frisco and I liked what I saw from him in his few Major League starts. He didn’t look overmatched at all and looked to be a solid improvement over the starts we would be getting from Mendoza, Mathis, Murray, etc. I expect Harrison to improve because he is a great pitcher and had some amazing games last year. He was up and down, but held his own and showed why he is a good prospect.

Walden has 9 starts in high A. Do you believe that he’ll log a single inning for the Angels Major League team next year?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

You should probably give Adenhart a couple of more shots before you call him a bust, Galloway.

And yes, Walden will rock. September call-up. Suck it.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I say he's a bust?

He’s only 21 years old. I just don’t see him contributing anything positive to the Angels Major League team next year. He looks like he need more time in the minors.

That’s a pretty bold prediction for Walden. A September call-up? Do you see him going in the rotation and making a huge impact right away? I don’t see how even as a September call-up, Walden would do more than pitch a few innings in mop-up relief for the Angels and have little to no positive effect on that team.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

see oc's list above

and add E. Santana, J. Saunders, and Jered Weaver to the list.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

and Kendry Morales

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Saunders / Weaver

are 3-4’s.

Santana is TORS.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you think Santana's BB rate is legit?

Because if it isn’t, how do you expect him to improve? Saunders is not that good and got lucky with amazing year last year. How do you expect him to improve over that rather than pitch to his talent level? And Jered Weaver has consistently been unlearning how to pitch.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

x
seems like you are expecting every single one of them to flourish, and accusing anyone that disagrees of expecting every single one to falter. Truth is in the middle.

Wrong. I’m saying that you should reasonably expect a net improvement from that group. If not, the rebuilding movement is taking a big step backwards.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

overreaction any?

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The bad defense at 2B and 3B should be better.
  • The bad defense at SS and 1B should stay pretty much the same.
  • There’s no telling if Byrd will be our everyday centerfielder as he should be, so no dice there.
  • No telling if Teagarden will play a full season unscathed, so no dice there.
  • Conditioning camp for our pitchers? (shrug) But play the age card, if it gives you hope.
  • Lots of questions in the bullpen…

This team might play over .500, but winning the West?…

Quit liquoring up your eggnog, hombre.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i disagree on the 1b

to say a 22 year old wont improve over his career as he learns and perfects a position is kinda silly. besides, i didnt think davis played a bad 1b anyway.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

A full season at first should let us know.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

so the point is you have no idea

while most people think he’s actually average to above average

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 24, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Experts are never wrong.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Then why did you say...

…the bad 1B defense would stay the same?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

iim gonna cut ppls heads off if that happens.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

and absorb their power?

There can be only one!!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

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by t ball on Dec 25, 2008 1:51 AM CST up reply actions  

with the same...

shitty manager.

look, i know that the correlation between odds and the actual reality of a season is a loose indicator at best, but it’s the only numerical tool i can find.

furthermore, i think we all agree that 2009 is a wasted season in terms of any hope at competing. it might be fun in terms of seeing guys try to develop, but losses will be plentiful. that being said, here’s the odds for this year (updated today):

LAA 6.5-1 (13-2)
OAK 16-1
TEX 35-1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures/

… a distant third. that’s without k-rod and teixeira. so (using this as a reference) we need to pass the two worse of NYY/BOS/TB

or

LAA and OAK

awesome.

if neither team gets better, when can texas compete? if either or both get better (LAA will), what’s the likelihood of catching them?

i am not saying that texas should not field a team. my family owns tickets, and i will go to games. because of that i want them to be competitive. however, i have a realistic view that the team is not nearly as close to competing as people seem to think.
 

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay

A simple question.

How many games do you think Anaheim wins next year?

Oakland?

Texas?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think all could easily be

clumped together in the mid-80s. The Angels have a weak, aging lineup, and their outfield defense may not be any better than the Rangers infield.

It’s still early, though, and there’s no telling what kind of moves could be made by Beane and Daniels, two guys that are unquestionably aggressive.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It's way, way

too early to forecast win totals.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/12/24/701415/christmas-eve-things#10957084

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 24, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

12 minutes ago?
This team is where it is right now (a 72 win team at best) with attendance down 600,000 since 2005, because of JD.


by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 2:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Keynes on Dec 24, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Right now? No team make any additional moves?

LALALA: 87 to 89 wins.
Oakland: 81-83
Texas: 79-81
Seattle: 66-74

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

That seems about as good

a guess as any to me.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

yup, 75-82 wins

that would be my rough guess.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

The manager is part of your argument?

Managers make little to no difference over a season unless you’re talking about someone who just completely loses a clubhouse, which R-Was hasn’t done to my knowledge.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

And I don't see why...

…anyone would think Oakland would be that much more likely to be successful in 2009 than Texas.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Because

The A’s are just freaks like that

by meatbonelefty on Dec 24, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Oakland is at least 10 games better than

Rangers right now.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

wait a second
It’s way, way too early to forecast win totals.

Even though you just predicted Texas is a 72 win team in 2009 and Oakland is a 82 win team.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Because

Boy Blunder isn’t the GM is about the sum of his argument I’m guessing.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Oakland's lineup is still shitty even with Holliday (who is not the same hitter away from Coors)

and they traded away two of their proven starters Harden and Blanton. Plus their best starter, Justin Duchscherer, is a question mark health-wise. How are they better by 10 games?

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

santana is good imho

sanders is not that good

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Hot sports opinions.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

i disagree

Their rotation was solid, lotsss of innings eaters…. Blanton, Myers, Moyer and Kendrick (punk’d guy) were all legit and won more often than not

by Baseball North on Dec 24, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

What about before last season?

A rotation of Myers, Kendrick, Blanton, and Moyer doesn’t sound like a WS winning rotation to me. Moyer was 45 coming off a terrible season. Myers was a RP for most of 2007. Kendrick had terrible K rates in 2007 suggesting his ERA was flukey good. They also started the season with Eaton in the rotation and didn’t even have Blanton.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

2 views from both sides

1. I think people are a little extra hostile towards you Adam on this subject because for the years that I have read this blog, which I think is year 3. You have said every year that the angels look weak and the division could easily be winnable. Yet every year for the past 4 besides 2006 when they lost the division by just 4 games. Each year you say the pitching looks a bit worse and whatnot, then every year they come in and clean house against us for sure and most everybody else, with dominant pitching.

2. Addressing Sam in Socal, I Think no this team does not have a legit shot this coming year, but I think in 2010 when some of our minor league power starts to come into play (Feliz, Holland, Smoak, + add in 2 or 3 of the other 600 guys we have). To the lineup we already have, mix in 1 free agent starter which I think JD is waiting to strike while the iron is hot, then I not I only do I feel that the division is winnable. I would feel that it is ours for the taking.

As far as 2009 goes though? Yes the Angels will come in and clean house.

by SaltyGoesYard on Dec 24, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

2010 is premature

2011 at earliest

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Adam has said that every year

about the Angels because every year it has been true. It is even more true this year than the last couple of years, though, so to say Adam (or anyone else in this line of thinking) is just singing the same old song is silly.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the Angels

are as strong in ’09. That outfield does not impress me much, they just lost Teixeira and their closer. Ok, if they sign Fuentes, maybe that mitigates losing Rodriguez somewhat. And, like Adam said above, they played above their heads a bit last season. That lineup is just not scary, but the pitching remains pretty solid.

They finished TWELVE games above their pythag record last year, and they are worse, not better, with the loss of those guys.

Meanwhile, I fully expect the Rangers rotation to be healthier, which means fewer emergency starts, and fewer innings for the bullpen. 3B defense should be better. I believe that the Rangers can win about 83-86 games as constructed right now. They obviously have a lot of unknowns with so many young players, but the talent is certainly there to win that many games.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The same expectations you have for the Rangers rotation to make an impact are the same expectations the Angels have for their younger players to make an impact in the line-up.

Brandon Wood (23), Sean Rodriguez (23), Howie Kendrick (25), Erick Aybar (24)…

You guys talk about the Angels as if it’s a fucking retirement home…

They already have a closer in waiting in Arredondo (24), and a still serviceable set-up man in Shields… not to mention, the deepest rotation in the West… flukey Joe Saunders or not.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Part of the reason their bullpen was so great

was because they had Arredondo, Oliver, Shields, and K-Rod in the last 3 innings of games. As said, Fuentes can change things up, but right now, they’ve lost 2 of those guys which is huge.

And yes, they have young talent, but their hitters would have to make huge improvements for next season which a hitter just isn’t as likely to do as a pitcher. Also, Aybar has over a full season of games under his belt and has a career 69 OPS+. Last year was already a huge improvement over his 2007 stint in the Majors and he posted an 84 OPS+. He’s got no power, and hasn’t shown any great base running abilities. Kendrick has now been playing in the Majors for at least parts of 3 seasons and hasn’t been all that good. I believe he’s had some injury problems, but still, not too worried. Wood and Rodriguez still have time and haven’t really proved one way or another what they’ll do in the Majors. Another thing is that these guys are all supposed to play between 3 positions for the most part and the Angels still have Figgins and Izturis to add to that mix.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

…they have young talent, but their hitters would have to make huge improvements for next season which a hitter just isn’t as likely to do as a pitcher.

Expand.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay

IMO (and maybe someone pulls up some data that proves me wrong), a pitcher takes a longer time to adjust to the Majors than a hitter. When they make that adjustment though, their numbers go from being scrub level pitchers to being closer to their potential. I don’t think a hitter’s adjustments as a young player make that big of an impact.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

and they have just as much uncertainty as the Rangers do, except maybe in the rotation.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

we’re all basically arguing that the Rangers have some hope, but are not likely to win the division in ‘09. Though some are on the extremes of either side of that argument, that’s basically where most of us are.

I just cannot understand the stance of someone like Josey Wales, who thinks there is absolutely zero chance the Rangers could contend in ‘09. And if they do, it’s all credit to Nolan Ryan.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So, essentially none of us know squat until the games are played.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a cliche that fits here ...

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

"+1"?

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

rec.

thread synopsis 101.

my whole point is, im not going into the season expecting the world, i dunno about even .500. im just going into the season excited as hell to see our young guys get a chance.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

And I'm looking forward

to at least some hope this year that they could be in contention. I’m happy that the division looks to be more competitive this year than last, and that it should be even more so in 2010.

Sign Sheets.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

just what I was thinking. They are a weak no offense team with an average defense that has had great SP and a great bullpen these past few years. That has helped them outwin their Pythagorean, but their offense looks even worse now and their defense is only getting worse with an OF rivaling the usual Giants OF. They’ve also lost a key member of that amazing bullpen and their rotation isn’t as good as it once was.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

85 wins

If winning 85 games could really conceivably win the division then I think the rangers need to spend now on a SP such as sheets and a solid RP to add to the bullpen, perhaps a closer.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You're not comfortable with Fx2 at closer in '09?

I really liked what I saw from him.

The only guy I’d have payed for was Wood.

I’d rather spend the money elsewhere and use Fx2 than bring in someone like Fuentes or Hoffman or Lyon.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Frankie Frank

I’m not sold on him as closer yet, when he’s on the guys money but when he’s not…oof.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It ain't hard to be on when 98 is in your back pocket.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

still have to control it.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 24, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

True

but if I’m Worsh, it comforts me that my closer is bringing serious, typically unhittable cheese, if nothing else, on most nights.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Player A:
K/9: 11.94
bb/9: 4.54
k:bb: 2.63
hr/fb: 3.9%
tRA: 2.31
FIP: 2.41

Player B:
k/9: 11.79
bb/9: 3.69
k:bb: 3.19 : 1
hr/fb: 9.5%
tRA: 3.07
FIP: 3.18

Player A is World Series golden god, Brad Lidge.

Player B is our very own Fx2.

Other than Lidge’s ridiculously low and out of line with everything in his past HR per FB rate (3.9%!!!!), Fx2 was pretty darn close to Lidge in ’08.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Show me the money.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

winnable division

I don’t see how the Rangers are improved from last year. We’ve lost our cleanup hitter and haven’t addressed glaring weaknesses in defensive efficiency or run prevention.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 24, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Any improvement is likely going to have to be internal

Primarily through better infield defense at 2B and 3B, and better performance from the young starters.

My point is not that that is going to happen, but that it is not unrealistic to think that the third base defense to improve and for Hurley, Harrison, Feldman, McCarthy, whomever else we have behind Padilla and Millwood to be better than what there was last year.

If the idea is that Hurley, Harrison, et al can’t possibly do any better than the collection of suck at the back of the rotation last season, then we are wasting 40 man roster spots on them, and Hurley and Harrison and the rest of those guys should be traded or released while we wait for Feliz and Holland to arrive.

The whole point of building from within is that you’ll have internal improvements. You can’t use this model for building a team, but then say that the team won’t be any better because you didn’t go out and add a bunch of new players. If you build from within, you should be able to look to some of the young players who broke in and got their feet wet in one year to take a step forward the next. Not all of them will, but enough of them should that the team will improve, or else the rebuilding plan is a failure.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 24, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

This.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Defense should be better, pitching should be healthier

Though, not great. A look around the infield:
C Tea and Salty is a better combo than Laird/Salty
1B Davis is fine
2B Kinsler won’t be worse and is capable of better
SS Young was close to league average by several metrics last year, the biggest problem was…
3B which you could almost say has nowhere to go but up. Vazquez is gone, and whoever they get to play there will be better than the collective performance there last year.

The pitching staff had a LOT of injuries last year and that is simply not likely to happen two years in a row. Plus the young pitchers will mature a bit. This has the potential to be a league average rotation. If they are, it almost automatically improves the bullpen.

This team can win 85 games or so right now.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

There is nothing logical

that says the current Ranger team can win 85 games. Nothing.

Pythagorean Theorem had them at 76-86 last year and they’ve lost Bradley.

Currently constructed and with this dumbass for a manager, this is a 72 win team.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Why can't some of the young guys get better?

They could easily improve enough to make a jump like that.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 24, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinsler will not play better

than he did in 2008 (because he was having a superstar season) although he might be healthier.

The only player I see making rapid improvement is CDavis.

All the young pitchers are a grab-bag and nobody can forecast with accuracy who will be successful plus this bully was so overworked, I’m expecting the same crap we saw last year (currently constructed).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

So glass half empty

OK.

Glass half full:

Kinsler is indeed capable of playing better — he has reached his peak? No way.

Full season of Davis >>>>>>>>> Half season each of Broussad/Davis

Harrison and Hurley were young and have enough talent that they could improve incrementally.

Salty and Tea combo >>>>> Laird/Salty combo

I know it’s fun for you to just hate on it all — but there’s certainly other ways at looking at the same team and coming up with a different viewpoint.

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 24, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you expect as many injuries

as last year? Do you expect someone to play as poorly at 3B as Vazquez did? Do you expect none of the younger pitchers to improve? If the rotation remains even a bit healthier do you not think that would mean fewer innings for the overworked bullpen and better overall pitching?

Look, I think it’s entirely likely that this team win about 75-80 games next year. But I think it’s entirely possible that they win 88 games with better health and some growth from the many young players on the roster. I don’t think the Ranger should switch into win-now mode and break the bank, but I think signing Sheets for a couple of years and hoping for the best is just fine.

I’m not saying they could be division favorites by any stretch of the imagination, but you’re saying they have zero chance and that’s just not true.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Gosh

My God you’re a miserable prick….

by Horns130 on Dec 25, 2008 3:00 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah but by what factor does the youth improvement make?

9 games?

seems like a little much if you take out bradley. thats way to much pressure and expectations on a club halfway through a rebuild.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that the offense

could regress a bit. Maybe Kinsler isn’t quite as awesome with the bat, maybe Hamilton slows a bit, Bradley is gone. On the other hand Davis for a full season, Cruz might be for real, Salty is healthy and has lots of room to improve.

No expectations, sure. But that’s not the same as no hope.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hamilton should only get better

I wouldn’t expect him to tire out in August as much this year. Young also (hopefully) won’t be playing with fractured fingers. Losing Bradley and Vazquez’s great year hurts the offense, but full seasons from Cruz, Davis, and Murphy should help that out.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

murphy scares me

we need to move him i think his value is about as high as it will ever be.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a good player

Who isn’t even expected to be a superstar player nor does this team need him to be one to be successful. With an OF of Cruz, Hamilton, Murphy, Byrd, and Boggs, this team’s OF looks great.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

oh i agree

i just think you might find a desperate sap who really needs a COFer who they think can start. im talking trade value. i think he’s pretty valuable to the team but now might be a good time to move him for a young high A pitcher when we arent really in a position to compete.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

ah, understood

If some team values him as a great starting OF, I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him. I was thinking the Rays were a great match, but that obviously isn’t the case anymore and I just can’t picture a good trade working out that helps this team.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeebus

You add literally nothing to any discussion. You post the same shit over and over again. If you’ve got nothing new to say, then don’t post.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Nolan Ryan's strengthening program

and Mike Maddux’s pitching intelligence should help a lot. Maybe we can add Sheets, Crede, and either Guardado or Hoffman. We would definitely have a winning record next year with those acquisitions.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Our team made the most errors at the catcher (21 errors) and pitcher (21 errors) positions last year.

Each position should improve because like you mentioned, Teagarden will do a portion of the catching and Salty should do better than last year. At the pitcher position, Nolan Ryan’s program should make pitchers practice more extensively and hopefully that leads to improved results.

Good fielding stats to know: Shelton, Broussard, and Botts combined for 8 of the 10 errors made at 1B last year. That trio only started 54 games at 1B combined. Those guys are long gone now. Kinsler improved his defense in the second half so there’s hope at 2B. Vazquez, Duran, and Blalock combined for 19 of the 23 errors at 3B in only 116 games. Metcalf or Crede will likely get most of the starts there next season. Ponson, Mendoza, Wright, and Feldman had two errors each last year. Ponson and Wright are gone, and Mendoza and Feldman probably wont pitch that many innings for us in 2009.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus Arte Moreno

has a lot more money to spend and I don’t think Beane is done yet either.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 24, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

True

very true. Though Moreno doesn’t seem anxious to spend a lot right now and Fuentes may be the only player they sign from here on out. Beane is capable of anything.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, ive read that arte kinda pulled a Hicks

with his GMJ and Hunter signings and now is thinking more cost effective. of course then he passes on tex, b/c he paid out the wazzoo for mediocre talent.

i think this season will be a hard lesson for arte. actually the last couple have been hard lessons.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

1. make up 21 games on a team that is committed to winning and as norm pointed out this week will always outspend texas (as long as moreno is owner)

a team that greatly outperformed its pyag. w-l
a team that lost teixeria
a team with another year older vladdy

i see no possibly way for the angels to recreate w-l total from last year with the current shape of their team

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 24, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Salty

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/12/24/red_sox_trumped_in_teixeira_stakes/?page=2

According to major league sources, Sox special assistant Allard Baird unfortunately watched Saltalamacchia on his worst defensive night in winter ball, though other scouts who watched him regularly thought he was fine behind the plate.

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by AirJordan on Dec 24, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

yeah, saw that earlier

so what, that’s like saying what if AJ was down in AZ on nov. 3rd watching buch…

bad games happen.

by Longhorn on Dec 24, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

this was also in the article
First priority remains a catcher. They have been in a wait-and-see mode with this, but the Teixeira signing might escalate things. Will offense be more of a priority in a catcher now? If so, Miguel Montero of Arizona might be more of a target, or Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who played winter ball in the Dominican for a few weeks but has returned home.

Their ar eother catchers out there besides Salty. And they may not cost Bucholz.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

in other news

the rangers watch buchhotlz perform an entire season of unsuccess.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect!

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

So does anybody know any super Christmas Eve sales going on?

The 75% off everything most go before Christmas type sale?

If you find the right place, you can either get your last minute gifts or get some nice stuff for yourself.

by SaltyGoesYard on Dec 24, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

i dunno, but if you are looking for a new HDTV

this is one of the best HDTVs out there right now…and that’s the cheapest i’ve seen it in a while.

But, what specifically are you looking for?

by Longhorn on Dec 24, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I dunno

Deep down inside I am just hoping best buy starts giving stuff away for free.

by SaltyGoesYard on Dec 24, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

i just bought an hdtv

i got a 42" sony bravia for 999.99. normally, i wouldn’t pay extra for the name, but i think it is a great tv – especially for the price.

i also bought a shit load of best buy gift cards on ebay, so my effective price was around $950 AFTER taxes.

i also bought it online (pick up in store) through american airlines shopping portal, so i got 1 mile for each dollar.

i did pretty well if i must say so myself.

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I bought that same TV for the same price.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

They said it was going to go back to $1499.99 the next day.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

it did go back on sunday.

that’s too high, obviously.

999.99 gets a 40" sony bravia at sams, so i was happy.

by sam in so cal on Dec 24, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

if you wanna give hicks money but you dont wanna support a loser...

35 bucks is cheap

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Liverpool

I’m getting the home shirt for Christmas…

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by RCCook on Dec 24, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Personalized?

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I don’t usually get a number on my jerseys. I did get the Premier League patches, though.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Dec 26, 2008 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I have been thinking

About what people have been saying in regards to the pitching not changing and being the same as last year.

Last year our team ERA was 5.37 a full run higher than league average, we also gave up 967 runs along with 625 walks.

It was so bad last year, that it simply has to get better right?

by SaltyGoesYard on Dec 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

It can't get any worse.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't explain why part of me wants to see it happen.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 24, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Because that's who we are.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

I really liked it when the Mavericks were not just bad but, like, historically awful. If you’re going to be bad don’t pussyfoot around with it.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Some like Josey don't think so

but if you don’t even look at the players or anything, there is just no way this team gets worse from that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Health

It has to get healthier is my contention. I think the pitching will be in the 4.90- 5.00 ERA range next season simply with a less freaky injury year meaning a less uneven performance and fewer emergency callups and bullpen innings.

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome holiday thread

Adam sets his line with the “Danks / McCarthy” landmine.

200+ posts later, the only one to have even stayed on topic was Josey.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

Why would you expect

200 posts to stay on topic? Why would that even be desirable?

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by t ball on Dec 24, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't expect that

and it wouldn’t be desirable.

I just found it ironic.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Since

I’m only marginally interested in the above discussions, I’ll add my own observation from the sports world today:

Steve Francis has been traded by Houston to Memphis. I find this cosmically ironic and amusing.

by brettgardner on Dec 24, 2008 3:48 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

basketball...

is that even a real sport?

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 24, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Enter you.

With the same bit time and again.

by brettgardner on Dec 24, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you see Mark Cubans recent quotes?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 24, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

From Mavsmoneyball front page
“There’s only one goal every year and that’s to win a championship,” Cuban said. “And if you’re not going to win it right now, what puts your team in the best position flexibility-wise going forward? That was the question and [the trade] was the answer.”

    “We can do whatever we want to do [in 2010],” Cuban said. “We’ll basically have Dirk [Nowitzki] and Jet [Jason Terry] on the books. Other guys can opt out and we can sign them after the fact.”

    “Our commitment to our fans is that we’ll never be a team with 40-something wins for more than one year,” Cuban said. “We’re either going to be really, really good or we’re going to be really, really bad [and get a high draft pick].”

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 24, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That might be the smartest thing I've heard a team owner say.

Though I still think including that ’10 pick in the Kidd deal was an act of lunacy that turned a bad trade into an abject disaster.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

It actually sounds just like Billy Beane, if I’m not mistaken.

Fans of other teams would be lucky to have an owner with that mindset.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I have been quoted as saying this is what the Jason Kidd trade was all about.. Mark Cuban isn’t stupid.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 24, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no problem with accelerating timelines

if the window closes, so be it. Let’s open the next one and win a championship at some point.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 25, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Devin Harris > Jason Kidd

Unfortunately, that’s now obvious to everyone.

I think the only person in the D/FW media who pointed out how stupid the trade was at the time was Eddie Sefko.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 25, 2008 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

What's your point?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 25, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Ugh.

You’re such a Josey on this subject.

by brettgardner on Dec 25, 2008 1:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I am?

I’ve hardly spoken about this in months.

I bring it up once, in context, in response to someone else talking about how awful this deal is, and you want to compare me to Josey?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 25, 2008 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Devin Harris is inconsequential to the future of the Mavs

The trade was an enabler of flexibility in the future and needed to be done. Sure it was a bad trade if you’re just gonna compare player x to player y, ignoring the true motivations of the trade.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 25, 2008 2:29 AM CST up reply actions  

If you were doing it to clear cap space and build for '10-'11, then including the '10 1st rd pick becomes even dumber.

The Devin for Kidd thing was a horrible, HORRIBLE move from an on the court perspective. Devin was our second best player and it wasn’t all that close. However, I can at least see how they could rationalize that part of the deal from a salary cap perspective.

But adding in that ’10 first was so just mind numbingly stupid.

I don’t know what to say on that.

It’d be like if we dealt Micheal Young for Andruw Jones’ corpse and then decided to throw in Neftali Feliz.

Sure I can see how it might be worth it to deal our starting SS for a horribly crappy OF who doesn’t care about baseball. The financial flexibility it would give us by getting us out of Young’s contract in ‘10 and beyond would be a huge plus for the future. But to then include Neftali Feliz would seem to screw us in the future in the same deal. It just wouldn’t make any sense.

by thedirkatron on Dec 25, 2008 6:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Could be Drew Meyer.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Dec 25, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't

See how your comment was in context. It was only tangentially related to what Dirk said.

You have some fetish with “I told ya so”. I’ll kneel at your feet if the Mavs don’t win a championship if that’s what you want, but honestly I don’t see much difference between you whining about this trade and somebody bringing up the Chris Young one over and over.

Things happen. You move on and make the best of it. Season’s not over yet, either.

by brettgardner on Dec 25, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Looks like the only plus

perhaps out of the deal will be that expiring contract. Cuban has to turn it into something though.

by jonthefon on Dec 25, 2008 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Likely pitching roster

Rotation
RHP Sheets
RHP Millwood
RHP Padilla
RHP McCarthy
LHP Harrison

Bullpen
RHP Diamond
RHP Rupe
RHP Madrigal
RHP Benoit
LHP Wilson
LHP Guardado
RHP Francisco

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

I think if we get Sheets

One of Millwood or Padz will wind up traded for sure.

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by LSJ on Dec 24, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

You are right, that is possible as well.

But I don’t know if anyone wants Millwood or Padilla at that price. JD would probably have to pay someone to take them and that would not be a wise thing to do.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, I don't think so

Millwood’s salary isn’t all that rediculous, and Padilla’s is pretty reasonable. They’re just just bogging us down because of our self-imposed salary restriction.

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by LSJ on Dec 24, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Time will tell if you're right

I wake up every day hoping that I would see a headline that says “Kevin Millwood traded to the Braves” and another that says “Ben Sheets agrees to a two-year deal, with an option, with the Rangers”.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Feldman, Nippert?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 24, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

Damn...

reply to coolrangersfan about the likely pitchers.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 24, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Harrison will beat Feldman and Nippert for a rotation spot in spring training.

It’s just my prediction. You can disagree but I like more Harrison than those two pitchers.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I would hate to see Harrison

not start the season in the rotation. He is the best and most ready pitcher we have of all of our young pitchers. Stick with him in the ML rotation and let him develop. He’s already shown he can more than handle his own.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He had his rough starts

But this is a guy with pretty good potential as a prospect who was able to have a good few great starts for the Rangers. One of the things I loved about him last season was also that he was adjusting to the Majors as the season went on and unlike a pitcher like Koronka, hitters weren’t catching on to him after his first few starts.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't miss enough bats and the nibbler shit he pulled in the minors doesn't work with ML hitters and so his walks came up.

I’m oh so very unimpressed with the idea of Harrison as a future cog in our rotation.

Back of the rotation fodder if he can stay healthy, but I’m not too excited. A ~5 ERA guy if we’re lucky.

But others seem to love him, so maybe I’m wrong on him.

It’s happened before.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

He was being compared to Tom Glavine before we traded for him.

I know he will not be the next Glavine, but I think his future is brighter than Feldman’s and Nippert’s at least. For 2009, he can fill in adequately as a fifth starter. I don’t know what will happen to him once that wave of minor league arms start arriving to the big leagues in 2010 and 2011.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Just in case you missed it

Read this

Harrison isn’t a nibbler. He’s got very good stuff. His fastball was hitting the mid 90s more than just a few times in his starts last year and as a lefty, I absolutely love seeing anything above 90.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that was a very positive report.

Maybe he is a lot better than I think, but I still have doubts.

His AVFB last year in his limited big league exposure was 90.2, which ain’t bad. It’s not like he’s a soft tosser or something like I feared when we first got him.

His k/9’s sat consistently in the 6’s in the minors and he could get away with it because of his sterling control. But in the majors (and in AAA, actally) the K-rate dropped significantly and the walks rose, too. Maybe those two are unrelated, but I took it to be a guy who found he couldn’t be around the plate as much at the higher levels and get away with it so he started nibbling and got in trouble doing it.

He’ll need to bring his K-rate back up to the ~6 level and bring the walks back down below 3 before I’ll start taking him seriously as a long term option.

Right now I’d rather see BMac, Hurley, Nippert and maybe Feldman get shots before Harrison, though he could change my mind with a sterling camp performance that wows all the coaches… and here’s hoping he does. You can never have enough LAIE’s, especially in Texas.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sending Harrison down

to AAA would completely waste his 15 starts that he made for the Rangers last year. Put him in the rotation in April and let him pitch his way back to OKC.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

...

His avg. FB was 90.2, but I don’t know if you remember from his starts last year, he was able to kick it up past that. He isn’t going to sit in the mid 90s like Holland can, but he was hitting 93 and 94 on more than one occasion.

The OKC K rates aren’t something I’d put much stock in. He had 6 starts there. In the Majors, I also don’t know how much stock I’d put in that. He started off pretty badly (recorded 7 Ks in 7 starts. in his next 8, he had 35 Ks in 48 IP which puts him right around his minor league average of 6.5 K/9 (also had a 2.25 BB/9 during that time). Also, I don’t know if he’ll ever be that much of a strikeout pitcher, but Harrison seems to have been one of the pitchers that work on preparing for the Majors more-so than worrying about results. There’s not really much proof for this and its just my opinion, but I think that he will always have more than enough Ks to do well.

McCarfhy right now still has a place in the rotation as the number 5 starter behind Milldilla/Padwood (can this catch on because I hate writing Millwood and Padilla all the time), Feldman, and Harrison. Hurley got hurt last season and wasn’t able to show as much as Harrison in the Majors because of that so he gets knocked down a bit. Nippert was good out of the bullpen last year and I’d like to see him be the long man in the pen. He is number 7 on my depth chart for the rotation and being the long man would let him be stretched out enough to go 5-6 innings and ready to go whenever we need him.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I do recall

Harrison tuning it up to 94 at times, but he’s got to be more consistent.

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

he’s not a power pitcher. He is still young though so he could end up reaching it more consistently. Its just nice knowing he can pull it out when he needs to.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Feldman over McCarthy?

wow that one is pretty shocking. We are talking about a guy who led the minor league in strikeouts a few years ago and was once in the front page of Baseball America’s website versus some guy who just converted from a sidearm reliever (who almost got DFA’d) to a (5.29 ERA) starter with three quarter delivery last year and was never considered a top prospect or even close to that. How did Feldman surpass McCarthy in value? I don’t think those injuries have lowered McCarthy’s value that much.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't really look at the numbers too much

He’s still in the rotation, just Feldman played better last year.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

8 in pen?

Don’t the Rangers normally carry 8 relievers? Add Feldman to the pen. Drop Guardado.

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

Why drop Guardado?

If you add Feldman to this list of relievers, he is only the eighth one.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

They should, but they almost never do.

Teams like to have 4 bench players available when all you really need is 3 in the AL.

Backup OF, backup IF and backup C.

by thedirkatron on Dec 24, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

In our case, if we use three

The backups will be either Murphy or Boggs, Arias or Duran, and one of Teagarden, Salty, and Ramirez

We will have to send Boggs, Ramirez, and either Duran or Arias to AAA if we end up using three bench players.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

8 relievers

I don’t see why any team would devote 13 roster spots to pitching, when you can only have one pitcher on the mound at any given time.

Honestly, I think 12 is a bit ridiculous, but with a team as bad at pitching as the Rangers usually are, I suppose the extra reliever is justifiable.

I’d really like to see a return to 10 and 11-man staffs. Having an extra bench player, especially a good pinch-runner or Mike Simms type that can come off the bench and whack a HR, has more value to me than adding another marginal arm at the back of the pen.

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by RCCook on Dec 24, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

We should have 8 in the pen at the beginning of the season, right?

Don’t we always have a little while before we need a 5th starter at the beginning of the season?

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That must be what

I was thinking of. 8 relievers until a 5th starter is needed.

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

in a case like that, you can add either Feldman or Nippert, who are both out of options,

to the bullpen as the eighth man. Whoever looks better by the end of spring training will be the choice.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I expect to see both make the team

Feldman will be in the rotation and Nippert’s stuff is too good to let him walk.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Feldman ...

from across the hall …

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 24, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Until Feldman shows he can’t hack it as a starter he stays in the rotation. I like Harrison alot but he did nothing last year that should guarantee him a spot in the rotation. He has options Feldman doesn’t. So Feldman stays and gets to show whether or not last year was a fluke and Harrison goes down to AAA to keep pitching and be ready when his time comes.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

BMac

What has BMac shown you to put him above Harrison? BMac has options. What has he done since he arrived in Texas?

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Longhorn.

But I looked them up before I responded to bigsteve. Feldman’s stats are no better than Harrison’s. Who has the higher upside? I go for Harrison in the rotation and Feldman in the pen.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/feldmsc01.shtml

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

McCarthy is eligible for arbitration this year.

Imagine him in AAA with his salary. I think the Rangers want their money’s worth with him. McCarthy is better than Harrison, Feldman, Hurley, and Nippert. If you disagree then show me some stats to prove otherwise.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

my point of contention with bigsteve
He has options Feldman doesn’t. So Feldman stays and gets to show whether or not last year was a fluke and Harrison goes down to AAA to keep pitching and be ready when his time comes

I think Feldman has reach his max. Let him be a swingman. He will get plenty of starts. And I agree with you about BMac. Lets hope he stays healthy now that Conner has moved on.

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

When BMac has been healthy he has been the best pitcher on the Rangers rotation in 2007 and last year was way too small a sample size to work with. I, unlike others on here, don’t count the 3 starts stretch in April 2007 when his mechanics were completely out of whack and he allowed 18 runs in 6 innings total. Yeah 18 runs in 6 innings. Put that kind of start on any pitchers numbers and its going to skew things a bit. Take those 6 innings away and he was a sub 3.5 ERA guy who pitched damn well. I see alot of potential. I see the type of potential that led us to trade our top pitching prospect for. I don’t have a preconceived notion that he sucks like so many others. Has he been ineffective since coming here…absolutely. But thats because hes been injured. How many times was he injured prior to coming here…none. So that doesn’t deem him injury prone IMO. Hes had some bad luck I think. If he stays healthy for a full year next year I think he would put up 180+ innings at a 3.8-4.2 ERA. Yes I think hes good.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you

I think McCarthy is going to breakthrough in 2009. He just needs to stay healthy in order to do it.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Besides the fact that he walked about as many batters as he struck out, forced as many ground balls as he did line-drives, and gave up home-runs in three of his four starts...

I saw very little about the 2008 Brandon McCarthy to get excited about.

If your argument is small sample size, that doesn’t make your 2007 numbers any more impressive.

Injuries suck.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 25, 2008 5:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think 95 innings is that small a sample size

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 25, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year, yo.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 25, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah last year was too small a sample size

2007 wasn’t

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 25, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

2007 was one year and nine injuries ago.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 25, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Feldman has only been starting and using these mechanics for a year at this point.

I don’t know how you can state conclusively that he’s “reached his max”.

I’m not a big Feldman From Across the Hall believer, but he’s anything but a finished product right now.

by thedirkatron on Dec 25, 2008 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Harrison did nothing last year?

Somehow he was 7-1 in his last 10 starts. I know wins and losses are overrated but when you are 7-1 in a span of 10 games, you have to be doing something right, right?

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Harrisons run support his last 10 starts

Just what he was spotted while on the mound

13, 9, 7, 13, 5, 3, 0(allowed 5 runs and was pulled after 3.2 IP), 3, 12, 5

He averaged 7 runs of support while on the mound in those 10 starts. Im not saying he didn’t impress me. But he did nothing to guarantee himself a rotation spot in my eyes. Lots of starters could have succeeded with that type of run support. Its alot easier to pitch when ahead. He had a 1.45 WHIP and an .841 OPS against during that span so its not like he dominated. All im saying is he shouldn’t get the spot in the rotation ahead of Feldman if Feldman shows he can pitch. Because if we choose Harrison that means we have to put Feldman on waivers and I can guarantee you some team would claim him. I don’t know about you but I don’t want to constantly hear about a 26 year old pitcher who can pitch that we simply let go for no reason. If Feldman fails then we release him simple as that. But until then Harrison should go to OKC

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 24, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

I wasn’t aware that Harrison’s OPS allowed was that high during that span. But I think there will be room for both in the rotation, since I doubt Hicks would be willing to pay for Sheets, Millwood, AND Padilla.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would we have

to release Feldman?

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Because he is out of options and if he doesn't make the rotation he cannot simply be sent to OKC

Theres also Nippert who looks to have a bullpen spot locked down. The Rangers have said they feel Feldman is a starter from here on out so I doubt they would stash him in the bullpen

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 25, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

JD also said that

he thinks Hurley will make the rotation. I can see a bullpen of FX2, Wilson, Benoit, Feldman, Nippert, Rupe, Madrigal. Pitchers with options and that you would want to option out when needed are Rupe and Madrigal.

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Feldman

If Feldman is forced to the bullpen or forced to waivers because Harrison, Hurley, and BMac are great in spring thats fine with me. But what I would absolutely hate is to see us get rid of a 26 year old who had success last year in his first year as a starter so a 22 year old can “take his lumps” when they don’t deserve it.

Personally I don’t think the Rangers want Feldman in the bullpen

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 25, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

When is Hurley

suppose to “take his lumps”? Next year when the Rangers are expected to compete? Lumps schedule: Hurley 2009; Holland 2010; Feliz 2011; Main 2012; etc.

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Holland will be like Liriano

No humps. Just dominance, late 2009.

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‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
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by octoberty on Dec 25, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

How about

Steve Carlton starting in 1966? :) Check out his 1972 season. :o

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carltst01.shtml

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

What I meant was that

Feldman should be in the 5 man rotation. If we don’t need a 5th starter, I can see him go to the pen for a few weeks if only to manage his innings a bit better this year and not overwork him. Harrison should be in the rotation too.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I would go with Sheets, Millwood, Padilla, BMac and Harrison.

Why do we always put Millwood ahead of Padilla?

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree on the rotation

To answer your question, maybe it’s because Millwood has more character than Padilla lol jk. I think it is because his career ERA (4.06 or 107+) is much better than Padilla’s (4.31 or 100+). Millwood does have a better career OPS allowed (.717) as well (Padilla’s is .761). Millwood is three years older though.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Its because some people

have spread this myth that Miillwood is a much better pitcher than Padilla.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Millwood does have the better career though

Padilla was just better last year. The problem with Padilla is that he has major struggles with LHH. His OPS against them over the last five seasons are .866, .971, .890, .932, and .944. Name me one pitcher who is above average while having a split like that against lefties, especially with the large amount of LHH nowadays. I don’t think you can find one. Padilla is better suited for a relief role, but I know that is not happening.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This again?

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 25, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, sorry.

My nemesis brought it up and I couldn’t resist ;)

by thedirkatron on Dec 25, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Baiting is fun

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by Gdawg on Dec 25, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep I agree

plus he will be in shape next year. Watch out for Millwood. Money motivates 99% of ballplayers.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 25, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

In that case

I’d stick McCarthy in the minors for a bit longer and let him make sure he has his mechanics down in a less stressful situation. I highly doubt he’ll be waiting there long.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: Notre Dame

wow, they look like an absolute juggernaut right now…

by Longhorn on Dec 24, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

Did Weis

just save his job?

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

So do you guys prefer this pitching roster instead?

Sheets, Padilla, McCarthy, Harrison, Feldman

Nippert, Rupe, Madrigal, Benoit, Wilson, Guardado, Francisco

In this case, Diamond would stay in AAA instead and Millwood would get traded in order to pay for Sheets. Guardado would be signed on a 1 yr deal. Sheets on a 2 yr deal with an option.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 10:23 PM CST reply actions  

changes

Don’t sign Guardado. Put Feldman in pen and Hurley in rotation.

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by RangerMad on Dec 24, 2008 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't go into a season with a total of 2 lefties on your pitching staff

With one being a starter.

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by Gdawg on Dec 24, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

???

Thanks Buck.

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you can

When you have righties that > the rest of your lefties. In fact I thijnk you’re better off that way.

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by LSJ on Dec 25, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Guardado

is very, very good and was our 2nd best RP last year. So I don’t think that all the righties are better than the lefties. Also, if you are interested in a good LOOGY, Gabbard easily fits the bill. He also had a better season in the rotation than Rupe in the bullpen.

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by Gdawg on Dec 25, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Guardado

Was crap after the opposition figured him out last year. 6.14 ERA after the all-star break, and opponents lit him up to the tune of a .337 opp avg and 907 OPS.

He had a good fist half for us last year during a time when all our late inning guys where pitching like crap, but he is on my list of guys I do not want to see back here under any circumstances.

Now Gabbard you might have a point on. He reminds me a lot of Kam Loe in that he’s got good sink on that fastball and a nice curve – when he can find the plate anyway.

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by LSJ on Dec 25, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

He pitched nearly 50 innings for this team last year

He’s been around the league for 16 years. Somehow, I don’t think that his problem was that the opposition figured him out. He had a bad August when he had a .486 BABIP. On another 1 year deal, I think he’d be great for us again.

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by Gdawg on Dec 25, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he’d be great for us again

What good would it do to sign Guardado? So the Rangers win 81 games instead of 79. I would rather have a young pitcher (Diamond) take his spot and learn to pitch in the MLs and be ready for 2010.

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not too big on signing relievers

Chad Cordero might make an interesting 1 year deal, but other than that I’d just as soon roll with what we’ve got – healthy versions of CJ Wilson and Joaquin Benoit should be enough to make our bullpen much better.

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by LSJ on Dec 25, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

finally some sanity

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

+2

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 25, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Rupe should be a starter.

He sucked last year as a reliever. Maybe a change in role would help him. I have read that he prefers to start.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 25, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Rupe

He was moved to the bullpen because of health/durability reasons

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 25, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Rupe

You gotta realize he pitched a shitload of innings last year. He really went downhill toward the end of the year. Granted hes not a guy I would send out there in the 8th inning of a 1 run game but I think if used properly, and the right amount, he can be a nice bullpen piece. I will take a 4 ERA and a 1.4 WHIP from him and be happy

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 25, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

He wasn’t bad in the pen in long/middle relief up until late season when the innings pitched finally caught up.

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by rentz on Dec 25, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I do give him credit for keeping the ball in the park and pitching multiple innings

in most appearances. However, he really needs to reduce that 4.6 BB/9 rate and improve on that ugly 1.13 K/BB.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 25, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Rupe

(if healthy) could put up about a 3.75 era with a 1.45 whip in about 70 innings in 2009.

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

FYP

He’s not good consistent enough.

I’d have preferred BGL and Rupe both get 2nd chances at starting. They both have enough pitches they can throw, but they’d likely never put it together for that long anyway. Honestly, I just want to see these guys throwing strikes. Trust your friggin’ stuff!

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Dec 25, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Rupe's arm would fall off

Rupe has spent nearly each season of his Rangers career suffering through some injuries. Last year was the first year that he hasn’t had any serious injury issues since 2005. Unless you want to make sure he never does squat in the Majors, keep him in the bullpen.

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by Gdawg on Dec 26, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

JD has said that he is upgrading the bullpen somehow (including through free agency)

and that a left-handed reliever is preferred, since Gabbard and Torres are not reliable candidates as the second left-handed reliever. Those two guys are wild and inexperienced. Also, JD wants someone for the back end of the bullpen (with the ability to close) on a one year deal and Guardado fits both descriptions. There is mutual interest between the Rangers and Guardado. He knows everyone on the roster already and would continue to serve as a mentor for the other relievers. Hoffman is another possibility in the case that Guardado signs somewhere else.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 24, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

well I disagree with JD

I would agree if I thought the Rangers could win the AL West in 2009. He also said he thinks Hurley will win a spot in the rotation and Diamond a spot in the bullpen.

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by RangerMad on Dec 25, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

You never know, maybe we can win the division.

Did you expect TB to win the AL East in 2008? I know they didn’t expect to. Surprises occur. We can’t just give up for 2009 like that. Let’s at least try to win the division as long as our moves don’t mess with the long term plan. I don’t think Guardado messes with it. It’s only a one year deal and we can trade him for prospects at the deadline like we did with Gagne. That would actually help us long term, if we can get good young players for him, although I do not expect to get something as good as what Gagne got us.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 25, 2008 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

they got themselves a Hamburger when they traded him away the last time around.

What’s up with that guy anyway?

by jonthefon on Dec 25, 2008 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

they got so little in that Guardado trade

because JD did not want to trade him before July 31 last year. The Rangers thought they were wild card contenders at the time and didn’t want to ruin the chemistry. As for Hamburger, he will probably open the season with Clinton. He will be 22 next year so he could move quick through the minors with a good year.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 25, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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