Saturday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 10:27 AM CST
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Actually a few tidbits out there today...
Richard Durrett says that the Rangers haven't made an offer to Ben Sheets, although he suspects that they ultimately will. Durrett explains that the Rangers are in wait-and-see mode while they see how the market shakes out, but he also says Sheets is a "long shot" to sign here.
Meanwhile, Randy Johnson has signed a one year deal with the San Francisco Giants. So much for his relationship with Nolan Ryan getting him to leave the left coast. The Rangers, apparently, never made an offer to Johnson.
The Boston Globe talks about the BoSox moving on to Plan B after losing out on Mark Teixeira, with their ongoing pursuit of a catcher (in particular, Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Taylor Teagarden) and a fourth outfielder being a priority. One would like to think that one of the catchers could be packaged with Marlon Byrd, who would seem to be a great fit for Boston as a 4th outfielder, to get a better return.
And Driveline Mechanics offers a detailed breakdown of Justin Smoak's swing, with a positive overall take, and compares him (production wise) to Lyle Overbay.
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Lyle Overbay?
Hmn. I’d like to think Smoak’s ceiling is higher than that, but that’s not a bad comp, I guess.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 27, 2008 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ceiling
I think his ceiling is higher, Overbay being projected as what he likely will become. I think John Olerud is a better comp, personally, but either one of those guys would be in the ballpark.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Olerud
To be John Olerud (or Edgar Martinez, a similar comp) means he’d be one of the best hitters in baseball. I reserve such labels for the truly great so I don’t look foolish. :)
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by Kyle Boddy on Dec 27, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear t not everyone
is drinking the Smoak kool-aid. Seems like people have been considering him a hall of famer before he’s put in a season of professional ball. A little healthy dose of restraint is good for everyone.
by JBImaknee on Dec 27, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
a main cause of the hype is that he was drafted by the same team that drafted another slugging elite college switch hitter. There is a natural comp there. I honestly believe there is very little chance of him not becoming a solid major leaguer (Lyle Overbay type – good comp by them). Him and Chris Davis should be nice compliments to each other.
by Michael Cave on Dec 27, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lyle overbay is no slouch
but in the article, Kyle says that Smoak’s typical line will be .265/.345/.490 with a peak of 290/.385/.550 which is actually a tad better than Overbay
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 27, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets is a "long shot" now?
well that sucks.
"You are a rude thoughtless little pig"
Alec Baldwin
by BigGuns on Dec 27, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
When...
has he ever been described as something other than a long shot?
by Schrute Farms on Dec 27, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are some...
that think Texas is his most likely destination.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/pgStory?contentId=8950370#sport=MLB&photo=8948490 (see #4)
Rosenthal for one.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't Randy to the Giants
set the table nicely for a Hank Blalock trade?
by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 27, 2008 11:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the link.
hadn’t checked newberg in a while because the offseason’s been so slow
by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 27, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to get
on his e-mail list so you can get it in your box every day.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I recently did so and it is an excellent newsletter.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 27, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
weird
i had a dream last night that we traded Max to Pittsburgh, i don’t remember for who, although i thought i heard Marte + others, but he’s a NYY now, so, whatever all that means…
i think i have too many dreams about the rangers.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 27, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I could have sworn I heard 2 things yesterday....
1) Wash saying that they want Sheets and hope they can make his (Sheets’) desire to return home a reality. Actually sounded pretty optimistic.
2) Maybe I was dreaming like Longhorn, but I could have sworn I also heard Durret saying something similar to the pretty good chance that Sheets winds up with the Rangers.
I can’t link anything, as both of these guys were on the radio…..Unless I was dreaming while I was driving. Could be, since I try to catch up on some sleep while driving. ;-)
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
by Chaim Witz on Dec 27, 2008 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
JD was on with Norm after Washington & Durrett
and said they have not made an offer to Sheets.
There wasn’t a lot of substance to the interview but JD did reiterate that the Rangers are still ecstatic about what they received in the Teixeira trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's interesting, and I hope you heard correctly on 1).
Washington is so unfiltered. I would believe his statement that the Rangers have high interest in Sheets . I don’t really buy the “long-shot” public stance the Rangers are taking. Maybe it means there are some moving parts that haven’t clearly aligned yet, but I’d bet they’re actively trying to make it happen, based upon Washington’s statement. It can pay to play cool in the market and not push the market. I think the Yankees did a good job of staying cool on Teixeira and probably got him for as much as 5M less per year by not getting into a bidding war early on.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Dec 27, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So much for his relationship with Nolan Ryan getting him to leave the left coast. The Rangers, apparently, never made an offer to Johnson.
shouldn’t this quiet those people who think that Nolan has more power over personnel than JD?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 27, 2008 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
For what it is worth, I think Nolan has more power than Daniels, in the sense that he could probably veto any move Daniels wants to make.
Now, the reality is that that is likely only to occur on relatively major moves. I doubt Ryan is going to come down to the war room and say, no, we aren’t taking this guy in the 6th round, we are taking this other guy instead.
However, as a practical matter, if Nolan wanted to go give Ben Sheets a 4 year, $80 million deal, and Daniels said no, he thinks it would be a mistake, Ryan likely has the final say, given his position on the organizational chart, just like, before Ryan got here, Hicks could (in theory) make moves or veto moves without Daniels say-so.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers haven't made an offer
to Sheets (nor did they make one to RJ) because the owner won’t greenlight an increase in the budget.
It’s not JD’s fault unless you want to blame him for not finding a way to clear the very limited space in the budget by trading Millwood, Padilla. Although it sure would be nice to have that extra $ 9.5 million that JD blew on Broussard, JJennings and Fukamori right now.
Tom Hicks, be damned, is going forward with a small market payroll just like we were the bleeping KC Royals.
Protect Hicks all you want but the truth is that the Texas Rangers have one of the five worst owners in professional sports.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bleeping
what are you, 5?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 27, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst owners in professional sports?
Sterling – LA Clippers
Ford – Detroit Lions
Davis – Oakland Raiders
Dolan – NY Knicks
Hicks – Texas Rangers
I don’t know enough about European Soccer to comment but I have not read one positive article about Hicks & Liverpool.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
What makes those guys worse than Hicks?
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think one is necessarily worse than the other.
They are all terrible owners, just check the standings.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
An owner’s worth is based upon the standings at any given moment?
Well, the Patriots have lost 5 more games than they did last year and might not even make the playoffs. I guess Kraft is a piece of shit.
Similarly, I suppose Tom Hicks was the greatest owner in ’99, slightly less great in ’00, and a total worm now.
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
All of these owners lose, they all make bad hires (although Dantoni may help NY)
there’s no real tangible hope that anything is going to change and all of them piss all over their fans.
Hicks in ’99? Payroll was $ 81 million, attendance nearly 3 million and the team went to the playoffs…and then Hicks started to get more and more involved.
Look at it now, attendance is down by almost a million people since ’99 even though the population in the area continues to swell. How the fuck does that happen?
This team has been under .500 for 8 of the last 9 years and there’s no end in sight. Yes, there may be good players on the way but having enought talent has never really been the problem over the last 10 years. This team has been filthy with talent during that time (See ARod, Tex, Pudge, Soriano, Danks, CYoung, AG) but didn’t know what the hell to do with it.
Kraft is still a great owner because he almost always makes good to great hires. Hiring Parcells, Pioli and Belechick is why he’s still an upper-echelon owner. Yeah, they’ve lost 5 games this year but they didn’t have Brady. You can be afforded excuses when you win 3 titles in 4 years and then come 15 seconds away from going thru an entire season undefeated.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying
Is that there are factors extrinsic to ownership that can affect a team’s fortunes?
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If an owner is around long enough
there are going to be down periods or times when you are losing. The real measure of a good owner is what he does to rebuild after his team loses.
I admire what Cuban did a great deal but the true measure of his ability as a hands-on owner is what to do to make this team make the Mavs a top 5 team once again. He brought them from the dead once before and I believe he can do it again because he makes nice hires and knows when it is time to fire somebody.
Hicks bought this team at the end of a nice run, wrote the checks without flinching and then when they started losing, his true colors showed up. When they had a chance to really be good after 2004, he put his checkbook away and figuratively disciplined the fans for not showing up like he thought we should (even though attendance was up nearly 6000 per in 2004) have.
When Hicks acted like he did after 2004, that told me he would never be a good owner because he was too freaking stupid to realize windows of opportunity such as that, don’t come very often. I love the prospects we have but I doubt we ever have as much good young talent in the system as we did in 2004.
The last four years have played out exactly like I thought they would which is why I say there is no hope in sight no matter where BP ranks our franchise because Tom Hicks is still here.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So your position
is essentially that Tom Hicks will find a way to lose, which defeats the purpose of owning a professional team.
Nice position, dude.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, Tom Hicks will find a way
to lose…just like Bidwill did for so long with the Cardinals and just like Sterling has done for the Clippers.
Right now this team needs starting pitching, improved defense and another manager. The fans have turned on the team and gone from being angry to apathetic (which is worse than being angry) which is why 600.000 less fans (in only 3 years) showed up last year..
The Rangers are in the 5th highest media market but had something like the 22nd highest payroll last year so they have plenty of room to address their problems.
What have they done to improve their team or attract more fans to the ballpark?
Not a freaking thing on both counts.
Next year there will probably be a new set of problems but why should we expect anything to change next year?
This team’s biggest challenge going forward is trying to overcome the arrogance and incompetence of Tom Hicks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you must
not have heard about the new scoreboard ;-}
Gagree with your entire dialogue…….
Entire site formed with Hicks apologist. If you dislike Hicks your supposed to go post at DMN….
this site is for REAL analysis. the kind that is able to rationalize every dumb thing the Rangers do.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’m a Hicks apologist?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
you just tend to be overly optimistic about where this team stands.
You kind of protect the Rangers like a family member…..you can be critical of them but when others do the same you tend to rebuke the person attacking the Rangers.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to read his site a little more.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years
and counting…..
People who tend to rip Hicks and or JD are quickly dogpiled on…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I think anybody who mindlessly parrots a general philosophy regardless of experience is justly ridiculed.
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
general philosophies exist for a reason and should not be ignored during analysis just because your tired of hearing about them.
Any analysis of the Rangers that doesn’t factor in the incompetence of the owner is faulty and a waste of pixels.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
should not be ignored during analysis just because your tired of hearing about them.
Why’s that? Just because you want to whip it out and play with it doesn’t mean I want to watch.
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
y
an analysis of the Rangers that disregards Hicks is certainly an example of missing the forest for the trees, which seems to be a favorite hobby of yours.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eye roll.
So you mean to tell me that this Hicks “analysis” you supposedly love is a necessary element to any Rangers discussion, no matter how minute and far-removed it may be from relevance?
Or are you just saying—and this is what I presume, because you don’t strike me as an especially powerful thinker—that you feel the compulsion to make the same argument again and again?
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cackle.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gardner,
Is Tom Hicks the 10,000 lbs white elephant in the room nobody is supposed to discuss?
He’s still the same problem he was after the 2004 season. We needed Delgado & Lowe and went after Hidalgo & Astacio instead. Didn’t really help the team win but the owner made a shit-load of money.
We’re coming off a season where the team gave up 967 runs and has one of the lowest payrolls in the game.
What’s the solution or are we not supposed to discuss that because it involves the owner?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Delgado....really.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it means anything
Delgado and Lowe were already discussed by the Outlaw aka Billy:
http://forum.newbergreport.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6662
“If they score 925 runs and allow 800 runs, their Pythagorean Theorem projects to 87-75. They don’t win the AL West but they’re a much better team.”
A much better team, on a team that was already on the cusp….. shouldnt that mean they would HAVE to win the playoffs Josey?
by red3biggs on Dec 28, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Do you really think 600,000 fewer fans showed up last year than in 2005?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam, I do not believe you're a Hicks
apologist at all. You were the only one on the podcast who had the onions to criticize him and I gave you your props for doing so. I want to say that you have written yourself that Tom Hicks is biggest problem facing this thing and I agree.
I do think you have a blind spot on JD and you’re way too forgiving of him.
Per the 600,000? Yeah, I do. Maybe not exactly but there were significantly fewer fans who went to games last year as opposed to 3-5 years ago.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
amazingly
the Rangers cannibalized their market by bringing in the Roughriders. Most folks I talk to out Collin County are done driving to Arlington now that we have the Roughriders.
That’s just one of many factors, but I think it is a large factor.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think attendance has gone down
Losing tends to do that. However, I also tend to give some credence to the reports that the attendance figures in the past have been puffed. Nolan, supposedly, cracked down on that when he came on board.
As for Daniels, he’s had some hits and some misses. I think overall, though, he’s got the team heading in the right direction, long-term.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you give
three reasons for Nolan being a legitimate front office hire by Hicks?
I can’t think of one…….
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Success and familiarity with a long-term area of weakness, name recognition/popularity in the area, displayed success in team operations (and general business), perceived weakness in marketability/PR skills in the existing FO, threat of a ‘fastball, up & in’ against Hicks if he wasn’t hired…
by Keynes on Dec 27, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand your question
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just didn't
think it was a good hire and was curious if you thought/think so. Its true he has more skins on the wall than Brett Hull but I find it to be another example of Hicks being enamored with a name and hiring the “name” with the end result of usurping power away from someone more qualified.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
Here’s my post from when Ryan was hired.
I’m still in wait-and-see mode with Nolan.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the attendance problem
was on JD…. I recall you saying that recently
by RangersOCD on Dec 27, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Attendance is down 600,000
since JD took the reins. I believe fans have become apathetic towards the product and the blame goes to the people who put together the team, hired the manager and hired the GM.
See Tom Hicks & JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apathy is apparant but the organization has finally decided to build a team from the farm system. The attendance will go up as the win totals increase. I don’t fault JD for what he has done to get this team a collection of good young talent. I’m not a Hicks fan either but this team is on the right track.
by RangersOCD on Dec 27, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like JD
I do think he is doing what needs to be done now and build from with in. Not to excuse what he did with the trades when he first got hired but he has the ship goingin the right direction now. Hicks on the other hand I do wish he would sell the team.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RangerOCD...
Acquiring/compiling talent (which the Rangers have been very good at for the last 10 years) and doing what it takes to put together a consistent winner at the big league level (where the Rangers have failed miserably) are two different things.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have sucked at getting young talent out on the field everyday.
Our last manager wouldn’t watch young pitchers struggle to help them improve.
Our last pitching coach would have been btter working with seasoned vets instead of helping young guys blossom.
by red3biggs on Dec 27, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what about Jeffrey Loria
The guy took down the Expos and is trying his best to take out the Marlins. Or Twins owner Carl Pohlad.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 27, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hicks
I don’t think he’s a great owner, but I’d certainly take him over Loria, Pohlad, and the owners of the Pirates and Reds. The McCourt family (Dodgers) spend money, but they listen way too much to what the media thinks- particularly in the case of DePodesta- and Drayton McLane, while he will spend some money, is way too loyal to over-the-hill players and is very cheap when it comes to the Astros’ draft and farm system.
As for Hicks and Liverpool, the issue there is more so with the stadium, not payroll. Liverpool doesn’t spend on the level of Manchester United or Chelsea, but they’ve added a 20-million pound player each of the last two seasons.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Dec 27, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’m not asking Hicks to spend like the Yanks but I sure the hell expect him to out spend the Royals and the likes.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Liverpool
Hicks does have a few advantages with Liverpool that he doesn’t have with the Rangers. A co-owner, for one. He also has a team that consistently competes for trophies- especially in European competition, which is a big money-maker.
Liverpool also has a massively loyal fan base (me included) that regularly sell out the stadium at home, are willing to travel halfway across Europe for road games, and buy tons of merchandise. Even here in Dallas, our supporters’ group usually has at least 20, and sometimes up to 40 or 50, who regularly get together on the weekends to watch the matches.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Dec 27, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At Trinity Hall?
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 27, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not anymore
We meet at the Tipperary Inn now- it’s at the corner of Skillman & Live Oak.
Trinity didn’t work out this year, for several reasons. As it’s turned out, that’s for the best- the Tipp has a much better atmosphere and food, and the owner pretty much gives us run of the place while we’re there.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Dec 28, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
How does a 20-million pound guy play soccer?
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 27, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 27, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're forgetting Mike Brown
Cincinnati Bengals.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 27, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
history seems to show that Nolan doesn’t have that much power when it comes to personnel. Even when there were reports that Nolan LOVED Cashner and wanted to draft him, well, that didn’t happen…Then, now, Nolan loves RJ, but we didn’t even feel inclined to make him an offer, at the very least. Might just be money, or might just be that it’s not part of JD’s plan…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 27, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
Even when there were reports that Nolan LOVED Cashner and wanted to draft him, well, that didn’t happen…
You are assuming Nolan was willing to overrule his amateur scouting people, and LOVED Cashner and wanted to draft him instead of Smoak.
If push had come to shove and Nolan had felt strongly enough about Cashner over Smoak that he was willing to put his foot down, we would have taken Cashner.
I just have my doubts that Nolan was sitting there insisting that that happen.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At the very least
it seems as though Nolan doesn’t have enough influence over Hicks to get him to open up the wallet.
Or do you disagree with that?
For instance, if Ryan insists on 4/80 for Sheets, do you think Hicks dares veto it?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 27, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think in terms of payroll...
…that’s a different story. Hicks ultimately decides how much he’s going to spend.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For instance, if Ryan insists on 4/80 for Sheets, do you think Hicks dares veto it?
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
But, according to a team source, no trades are on the horizon. Prices have yet to come down for teams intent on stealing a valuable pitching prospect (specifically the Rangers, who like Clay Buchholz).
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Dec 27, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
The gall!
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who else
is in the running for sheets? Milwaukee?
by cashman on Dec 27, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still cant't see...
The BoSox dealing Buchholz, but if they are able to sign Lowe and other teams like Arizona don’t lower their demands in a trade for a catcher, maybe it could happen.
I think the only way the Rangers could get a guy like Buchholz is to include Byrd. Say Salty and Byrd for Buchholz and another A-ball pitcher. I still think it’s a stretch but perhaps…the only question is would JD be willing to do that?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would do that
A Salty Byrd for a dirty Buchholz any day.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Buchholz?
You would not expect the Rangers to ask for anybody else back? Maybe I’m just putting too much value on Byrd. He plays good D at all three OF positions, and his bat is good enough not to be a gaping hole in the lineup.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 27, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd's Offense
ranked 65th last year in OPS. AVG out to the #3 guy on most teams.
We undervalue him when giving trade ideas.
by red3biggs on Dec 27, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also consider
that he only has 1 year left on his contract. If he had an extra year on his contract, he would have a lot more trade value.
I would like to see something else coming back with Buchholz if we threw Byrd in with Salty.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 27, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the BoSox were willing...
…to give up Buchholz for Byrd and Saltalamacchia, I’d be ecstatic, and I expect the Rangers would make that deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 27, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure why
everyone wants to rush Salty out the door. Lets say you trade Salty and TT gets hurt, then where are you at catcher. Max + ? Our catching “depth” is actually quite shallow considering you have no idea if you even have one guy on the roster who is capable of catching 140 games a year…..All three have wholes, huge holes. I’d slow the roll on getting rid of another catcher until this thing played out a little……
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top of the rotation pitchers
Just don’t fall off the pitcher tree every day. That is why.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would you agree
that another move of some sort would need to be made at catcher? If you knew you were going to trade for Buch using Salty I would have preferred keeping Laird and platooned him with TT.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could get anyone
to back up TT or platoon with him.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Laird > anyone
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Laird > $1
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OMFT could buy
several donuts with that $1.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But the question is
Have you considered Hicks in this? I mean after all, Hicks should be considered in every single thing we even consider talking about.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 27, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 27, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lest we forget
God forbid the casting of that shadow.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously Hicks doesnt have
to be mentioned in every post……
Josey made a relevant post regarding the failure of Hicks and brettgardner did his usual awesome rebuttal that was so deep and intense that it shut down the entire site for an hour and by the time power was restored all his contemporaries were sitting in the nude as bg had stolen both their cloths and their dignity. His wit an intellect are unmatched and when it comes to Ranger talk he has no equal.
So I made the obvious point that all arguing about the future of the Rangers should certainly be done with the understanding of who the owner is and what limitations that may enforce on the club.
Though completely different in their approaches Hicks and JJones are both detriments to their clubs….a shame really.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
brett is good, but not that good.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 27, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fucking fantastic
But I readily admit my shallowness in Rangers talk.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you like
the way I used wholes and holes in a three word stretch….brilliant. My misuse of words is off the charts…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yes.
and I think that’s actually a decent value for both sides right now.
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by t ball on Dec 27, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Closest
I’ve seen to a fair deal I’ve seen this Winter. I’d take it in a heartbeat.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Dec 27, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
chances are that if we think it’s fair, the other side won’t.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 27, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not arguing that.
But it’s a lot better than Salty/C prospect that was getting tossed around regularly.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Dec 27, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much for an unproven, high ceiling pitcher.
If the deal was Salty and Byrd for Buch and another arm (Bard maybe), then you have a reasonable deal for both sides. Byrd’s production and defense shouldn’t be a throw in on a Salty for Buch deal.
by Athos on Dec 27, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't even expect Bard
I’m talking about a lesser known prospect. One that JD has done his HW on and likes, but isn’t good enough for the Sox to consider as a deal breaker.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 27, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Salty is proven?
Salty and Byrd is fair IMO
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say that?
So you want to trade a starting major league outfielder and a starting catcher with 40 homerun potential for a single pitching prospect? That’s fair? Really?
I sincerely hope that JD has a more realistic value of major league talent than you seem to.
by Athos on Dec 27, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some people
think Buchholz is in the Price/Kershaw category.
If Salty and Byrd couldn’t get Buchholz, I don’t know what could.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You said Buchholz was unproven
Salty is just as unproven. Buchholz has the potential to be a #1. You have to give to get any type of top of the rotation pitching. I doubt Salty will hit 40 hr’s in any season I might be wrong but…
TB got to the WS last year without a 40 HR catcher they did it with pitching that is my point.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The thought of Hamilton in centerfield for another year is not a good one.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 27, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
he’s not a butcher out there.
He will be fine in CF ’til Borbon is ready to take over for good hopefully.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the Rangers will start Borbon against LHP once he gets here?
Borbon was .273/.314/.378/.692 against LHP and .338/.380/.442/.822 against RHP last year.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 27, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If not
Boggs will be around, hopefully. Murphy cannot play CF adequately.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs
I really hope Boggs can play his way into the starting lineup as a COF’er. The only thing Boggs really has to do is cut down on his K rate, and he should be fine.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 27, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Split vs. RHP
bothers me more than the K rate.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Split
Here are Boggs’ splits for his career (last number is OPS):
vs RHP as LH – .227/.335/.356, .690
vs LHP as RH – .227/.327/.500, .827
Is it the lack of power? Coincidentally, Boggs has 59 K’s vs. RHP, and 34 K’s vs. LHP.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 27, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think 150 SLG points constitutes a lack of power from the left side, but the point being that he could still be serviceable. After all, those OBP numbers are eerily similar to another OF’er who has started for us.
Boggs would be an excellent starter, if he could even out the split. He’ll still make an excellent player, despite the K’s.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His career minor league splits are drastic as well.
vs RHP .246/.350/.413/.763
vs LHP .284/.394/.594/.988
Maybe he should give up switch hitting and become a right handed hitter.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs...
is the perfect 4th OFer imo.
Can play above average defense in all OF spots (although he didn’t get a chance to show that in the bigs last year in CF), can switch hit, and I wouldn’t be upset to see him step in for a guy for a longer period of time if there was an injury.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
He should be valued as such, imo.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not giving Boggs more ab's in September
was criminal.
I think this player has potential but his manager doesn’t know how or when to use him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 27, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD is sticking to his guns with Boston.
According to this article in the Boston Globe, JD hasn’t backed off of his insistence that Buchholz be part of a deal for a Texas catcher.
The Sox, of course, would like to trade for a young catcher – like Arizona’s Miguel Montero, or the Texas twosome of Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Taylor Teagarden – to fill the void. But, according to a team source, no trades are on the horizon. Prices have yet to come down for teams intent on stealing a valuable pitching prospect (specifically the Rangers, who like Clay Buchholz).
I’m glad to hear that. We’re in a pretty good spot with our catching situation now that Laird is gone. No sense in backing off of our demands.
by Athos on Dec 27, 2008 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wait
Is teagarden for buccholz ok with ye?
For some reason I never considered it but I’m kind of hesitant. I probably shouldn’t be though.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 27, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather trade Salty than Tea.
One thing I found interesting was that a bunch of the comments to that article were all for giving up Buch for Salty. If Theo is at all driven by the mood of his fans, then maybe things are looking up. If it were me, I would tell the Sox it is Salty (and an A ball arm) for Buch or no deal. I think Tea is our long-term answer at catcher.
by Athos on Dec 27, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this
The real test? If we’re so hesitant about trading Teagarden, the next logical question is “why?” The answer, it would seem, is that we think Teagarden is going to be better than Salty. Isn’t that what Boston would think as well, particularly when you’re asking for one of their absolute best young pitchers?
That’s why it doesn’t seem to me that a Salty/Buccholz deal will go down, unless we kick in something else of significant value.
End obvious-man rant.
by brettgardner on Dec 27, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both sides should feel the burn
like they did when Edinson Volquez was traded for Josh Hamilton.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Otsuka
Akinori Otsuka is in the news again. He’s planning to work out in front of all 30 MLB teams in Arizona next month.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 27, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope he catches on somewhere.
I always liked him. He was the one part of the Young/Eaton disaster that didn’t make me want to puke.
by Athos on Dec 27, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question?
How many positions would you say The Rangers have a plus offensive player?
CF Hamilton
2B Kinsler
1b Davis
?
?
?
This team is being severely overrated on this site(many thinking there is a legitimate chance to at least be hanging around come August).
We know about the pitching but I find this team to be lacking big time on O side of things as well.
After Wash gets this team off to its typical 5-10 start all hell will break loose as Hicks realizes that he’s about to lose another half a million fans resulting in a budget of around 55 million for 2010. I can hardly wait…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
RF - Cruz
LF – Murphy / Boggs
DH – Blalock
SS – Young
So 7 positions total — that ain’t bad. Whether they do it or not is different, but the parts have been assembled for a productive lineup. You can’t refute that with a straight face after last year.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by Chase Irwin on Dec 27, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also if salty catches he has the potential to a very plus player
even TT has plus offense if he reaches the upper limits of his potential. the only real glaring weakness is going to be 3b. we should have a slightly above average outfield and a well above average infield, with the exception of 3b. and we should get above average production from the DH wether it ends up being blalock or ramirez or burrell or whomever.
Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 27, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I
would not include Hank in any analysis given his injury history, at least not with a straight face.
Plus all interweb chatter has the guy being traded as he is somehow considered to be too expensive for this roster…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
youve got to like the possibilities though
hank’s hitting .290 with 61 extra base hits the last two seasons in less that 500 ABs. If getting him off the field can help keep him…on the field then youd have to say he’s a plus contributor. not a sure thing to be healthy but you still want to include him in your plans.
Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 27, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The team scored 900 runs last year
and you think they’re overrated offensively?
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by t ball on Dec 27, 2008 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think that
this team has more problems than the usual, “we just need some pitching”.
Does Cruz project as this teams clean-up hitter?
My premise to the whole argument regarding the offensive side of the ball was that I would not be so quick to give away Salty. People seem to assume that because our O is so strong we can just roll with TT regardless of his Offensive production. I disagree. If Cruz flops and Blalock gets injured I think the middle of this lineup could be very weak….. That doesn’t even take into account the annually injured Kinsler. Let him go down for a long stretch and things get even worse.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when
Is Teagarden bad offensively?
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what r
TT’s career minor league #’s? I thought they tended to be below average. My bad if I am wrong on that assumption…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with a lot of this, red shoe
Cruz has never had a productive major league season in his life and he turns 29 years old in July. One hot September streak and this is our clean-up hitter? The chances that he flops or is merely average are greater than him becoming some kind of 35 bomb / .900 OPS monster.
I firmly believe that both Teagarden & Salty are going to be good major league players but I’m not so sure it happens next year. I see no reason to trade either one of them just yet and would do everything I can to get both of them 450-500 ab’s (at catcher & dh).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All of that has some truth
but I don’t see why he’s saying don’t deal Salty. If they can get a good pitcher for Salty that helps the club more than it hurts.
Anything that aids the runs scored/runs against ratio is good, no matter which side it comes on. On the other hand, I’m fine with having both all of 2009 if the return pitching is not good enough, and that seems to be Daniels’ stance.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Dec 28, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to trade Salty but if you do
trade him, get a major league ready pitcher with a track record of success.
Pitching is among the hardest things to project, especially young pitchers in this ballpark.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Here’s the thing.
What sort of major league pitcher with a track record of success are you going to get for Salty?
An Ian Snell, maybe? A middling guy with only a couple of years to go before he’s a free agent?
Why would you prefer that to a guy with a higher ceiling, but without a track record of success in the majors, like Buchholz (not that the BoSox would be willing to give up Buchholz anyway, but still)? Or Hughes?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You already
Know the answer to that question.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is fairly certain
that Salty is going to eventually be a pretty good major league hitter …25-30 bombs / .850 OPS. The reason Boston is after him is because his trade value is low, much lower than his upside suggests (Bill James is telling them he’s going to be a very good hitter) he will eventually become.
We may very well have to trade Salty eventually to get enough playing time for TT, Max but I would wait until Salty’s value gets much higher (which it will with playing time).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't answer the question.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to that
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 28, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your question.....
“What sort of major league pitcher with a track record of success are you going to get for Salty”
answer: if eh continues what he started in winterball you could get a substantial haul for Salty. Right now you are trading unproven for unproven. Let Salty prove himself and you could then trade proven for proven, if you would even want to trade him at that point.
My point: if Salty is who many scouts think he is, there is no reason to trade him now(especially if you can’t get Buch). Let Salty show something at the ML level and your asking price can go UP substantially…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sadly
im not up on all the young talent around the league but if your contention is that Salty is almost at the same value as Buch then I see no reason his value doesn’t go up even higher if he(Salty) solidifies himself at the major league level. The only advantage to trading Salty now is if he is not as good as many think he is(or will be) and you are simply taking advantage of peoples overvaluation of him.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well his value
apparently isn’t enough to get Buch right now, a pitcher with a top of the rotation ceiling who is unproven. I don’t know how Salty playing well for a year all of a sudden makes it possible for this team to trade him for a proven young pitcher with top of the rotation talent.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 28, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
then I guess he might then get you a Buch type next year…..
My basic point: Trading Salty now would be selling low…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So wait a year
for the possibility of getting the type of pitcher we could almost get now?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 28, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From the BoSox
perspective..
Wouldn’t the pertinent thing be to hold onto Buch and see if he develops as everyone thinks his talent will let him? You’re really selling low on Buch if you trade him now.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz
Had sufficient plate appearances in 2008 to confirm his changed approach, the one that led to a hundred point higher OPS than previously in AAA. I think he’ll work out just fine in any of the 4-5-6 spots in the batting order, with some trepidation about arbitrarily naming him to the 4 hole. For all the justifiable faith in Kinsler, Hamilton, or others, I think Cruz may be the offensive leader on the team regardless of where he hits in the batting order.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 28, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just did
:-) or maybe :-P
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 28, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bernard Madoff
has an investment opportunity he’d like to discuss with you……
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the offense...
you should be worried about. The Rangers will have plenty of that.
I think the Rangers will get better offensive production out of every position (except 3B) compared to most teams in MLB.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 27, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that statement
but I find this team to be lacking big time on O side of things as well.
We are going to be one year removed from a major league leading 901 runs and .816 team OPS. The only player that will be missed is Milton Bradley, who only played 126 games. I don’t think you should measure an offense by the number of plus players at their position. It is an collective effort. Our lineup is much more balanced than any other. To play by your game, how many below average hitters do we have? Less than any team in baseball I bet.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 27, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 27, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Pettitte
Does anyone think the Rangers should make an offer to him if the Yanks withdraw theirs?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 2:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
no, i think this was brought up in another thread
and everyone agreed it would be a bad idea
Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 28, 2008 2:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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