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A few more notes from today

From Phil Rogers:

The ball is squarely in the Red Sox's court after the Yankees' signing of Mark Teixeira. Boston remains in a standoff with agent Scott Boras regarding unsigned catcher Jason Varitek, and there's no other attractive free-agent option behind him. That could push Boston to step up its efforts to acquire Jarrod Saltalamacchia from Texas, at the cost of a young pitcher like Justin Masterson or Waubonsie Valley product Michael Bowden.

From John Perrotto:

Reliever Akinori Otsuka, who sat out last season following elbow surgery, should be ready to pitch by opening day, and his two former major league clubs, the Rangers and Padres, are among those interested in signing him as a free agent.

I'd be interested in Otsuka, and while I imagine he'd prefer to play on the West Coast, the Rangers' desire to upgrade the bullpen, and their familiarity with Otsuka, could lead them to make a solid push.  I suspect he'll require a major league deal, but if he comes back to close to where he was when he was with Texas, he'd be a solid signing.  And the other thing to remember is that he'd still be arbitration eilgible after 2009, rather than a free agent, so if you sign Otsuka, you'd control him for two years, not just one, even if you just signed him to a one year deal.

 

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Varitek will take a pay-cut and go back to Boston.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 28, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well, his options are simple.

He can do that or he can retire. Nobody is going to surrender a 1st rounder to Boston for Tek. Turning down arbitration was a stupid, stupid move on his part.

by Athos on Dec 28, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

New York could sign him. They’d only be giving up a 4th rounder, I think. And it would definitely screw with the Red Sox Nation.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Posada?

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 28, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be so awesome, it needs a pic to describe it

LSJ, make it happen!

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hasn't happened yet.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Varitek should have taken arbitration.

Boras screwed that one up big time.

by BEW on Dec 28, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Boras isn't as bulletproof as people make him out to be.

I remember when he set the price tag for Andruw Jones over $100 mil.

He didn’t do Kyle Lohse any favors last offseason either.

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 28, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Masterson and Bowden

just really dont excite me. If we go into next season with our current 3 catchers, im fine with that. I just really hope that Boston gets anxious and deals Buchholz (they wont, but i can hope i guess). I think he is the only one of their 3 guys with ace potential. Bowden and Masterson seem like no. 3 potential guys to me.

by Michael Cave on Dec 28, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm an advocate of Buchholz

And would like to see the Rangers add something to Salty to get the deal done. That being said if Bowden and Masterson turn into #3’s that would be better than what we have had in the past few years. I guess the thing you have to look at is do you think the guys that are almost ready are better than #3’s and how fast they will be up and pitching like it.

Miami bound...

by boomer1 on Dec 28, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Would Marlon Byrd seal the deal?

I love having Byrd on the team, but he is not part of our long term plan. He will turn 32 next year and has only one more year left on his contract. Also, his value is at an all time high right now. He is due to make about 3-4 million next season and we already have enough outfielders. That money would be better spent on Ben Sheets instead.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if it would or not

Some people here think Byrd would be too much I don’t think it would be. If the deal were Salty and Byrd for Buchholz I would do it and not think twice. Then turn around and try to sign Sheets. IMO

Miami bound...

by boomer1 on Dec 28, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it is too much to give up

then we should make them give us Bard as well.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

If throwing Byrd into the trade would make it happen then by all means.

by Michael Cave on Dec 28, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

If the RedSox don’t give Buchholz, we don’t deal with them. Period. I’d rather hold Salty than give him up for something we don’t really want. If the 2009 rotation doesn’t have Sheets and Buchholz, I’d be very disappointed. If it didn’t have either one of them, I’d be extremely pissed. i still want to see a 2010 rotation with Sheets, Buchholz, Feliz and Holland at least.

by texaschief on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that rotation would make anyone smile.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

x
If the 2009 rotation doesn’t have Sheets and Buchholz, I’d be very disappointed. If it didn’t have either one of them, I’d be extremely pissed.

Prepare to be extremely pissed.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 28, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it’s lookin that way. lol

by texaschief on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

you make a good pt. I think that Feliz and Holland will be up by september. Main is the other guy I really think could be a 1/2 guy but even in an ideal world he wont be up til sept 2010. Hunter and Hurley are complete enigmas to me right now. I think you could say that some of Hurley’s results were skewed by his lack of health. Hunter’s results were obivously skewed by his meteoric rise through the system due to need.

I just really think with the influx of pitching (face it this type of pitching talent has never been in the rangers system, maybe late 80s with correa, guzman, witt and brown but not this much depth IIRC) that is coming the rangers way they really need to set their standards very high. Hey we all may look back on this in a few yrs and be grateful that we didnt get rid of Salty because he is just crushing the ball. Sometimes inactivity turns out to be better than needless activity.

by Michael Cave on Dec 28, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

If the best ML-ready arm available for Salty, according to reports right now,

is Masterson, what else would need to be included to make it a reasonable deal for the Rangers?

Daniel Bard? Oscar Tejeda?

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I rank them

Buchholz
Hagadone
Bowden
Masterson
Bard

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 28, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BA thinks that Bowden is better than Hagadone

and had Masterson higher than Bowden in last year’s rankings. Of course that was before Bowden impressed everyone with his AA numbers.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go for Bard + Masterson

but we don’t need to do the deal. seems like the pressure is on Boston

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Dec 28, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No Masterson For Me

I dont like Masterson personally. I think he will always be a bullpen guy and i have no interest in him for that reason.

by Horns130 on Dec 28, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bowden seems preferable to masterson

hes a year younger, has better minor league stats, better control. but some folks arent keen on him.
i think maybe bowden + bard would be an acceptable deal for salty if we cant get buch.

Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 28, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they were 3-4 on BA's team top ten

plus hagadone is a lefty so probably. i wonder if theyd do hagadone and bowden for salty.

Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 28, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I might do that deal

Hagadone and Bowden for Salty

Miami bound...

by boomer1 on Dec 28, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the Sox are goign to sign Brad Penny
According to Ken Rosenthal, the Red Sox are close to signing Brad Penny to a one-year deal. The two sides are still hammering out the agreement, and Penny would have to pass a physical. In November, the Dodgers chose Penny’s $2MM buyout over his $8.75MM club option.

Penny, 31 in May, dealt with shoulder and forearm pain all year. The Red Sox have a sophisticated system for dealing with pitching shoulders, so it’s an interesting match.
Ian Browne of MLB.com expands on Rosenthal’s report. Browne notes that Penny in Boston would reunite him with fellow starter Josh Beckett and third baseman Mike Lowell, both of whom Penny played with as a Florida Marlin. The three were on the 2003 World Series-winning squad.

Good that now the Boston rotation is full, Bucholtz is now more available. That and now that Penny signed the market value for Sheets should also now be set.

by laxtonto on Dec 28, 2008 6:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I really don't understand the Red Sox reluctance to deal their SP prospects

Now their rotation is going to have Beckett, Dice-K, Wakefield, Penny, and Lester with Masterson, Bowden, and Buchholz being blocked out.. Add in that they can sign just about any FA starting pitcher they want each offseason and they can afford to give up SP to fill the C psition.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 28, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

The Red Sox aren’t going to spend on FA, that will make Boston fans real happy when the Yankees are investing millions into their team through FA.

And yeah, Penny is on a 1 year deal, but they can go find another starter next year to fill his spot or use one of their other young SP prospects. Wakefield is a knuckleballer who can probably pitch as long as the Red Sox want him. If Moyer and Johnson are still pitching in their mid 40s, Wakefield can to. I can’t imagine him not pitching at least another 2 years. The Red Sox rotation is set for the near future not only with a top 5, but with solid back-up options behind them.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 29, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder if this means theyre out on lowe

would be kind of weird after missing out on tex if they dont make at least a medium splash with all that money. it seems like they might use wakefield in a utility kind of role, doing long relief and a spot start here and there or whatever bullpen role they might need. the guy is versatile as fuck but some days he just doesnt have it as a starter

Never rule out Jim Bowden.
That guy is effing crazy.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 28, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Sheets

was listening to Joel Sherman on Kellerman’s radio show earlier, and he was saying that Sheets’ back is so bad, that at least 10 teams out there looking for pitching will not go anywhere near him because of that problem alone, and Sherman also said that there is some concern on Sheets staying in shape. He said that Sheets does not do what is necessary for pitchers to do in their ‘off days’, especially physically … and that is why he might be having all these lingering injury issues…

just passing along the info i heard today..

by Longhorn on Dec 28, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wow

I was curious why we weren’t really hearing about any teams flirting with Sheets. The injury that ended his season may be chronic for all we know.

"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM

by tricer on Dec 28, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a blog law.

I just read it that way. The image of Ben Sheets sitting near the radio and hearing all this lead me to imagine said radio flying through the air, and Sheets grabbing his back, arm, shoulder…. Now that you bring it up, it would be easier to read with a subject separating the title from the body.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Dec 28, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sheets

Along with Milwaukee, I’d suppose the Rangers, with the addition of Maddux, would be in the best position to make judgments about his work ethic/commitment.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

count me in the minority...

but I’d be fairly content with a Salty for Masterson or a Salty for Bowden flip… preferably Salty for Masterson.
I think y’all are passing over those two w/ too much ease.

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Dec 28, 2008 7:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers' bargaining position is strong enough

that they should ask for an additional piece with either of those arms.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 28, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Bowden more than Masterson

and Hagadone as the extra piece. However, I do hope that the Rangers keep their Buchholz-only stance.

by coolrangersfan on Dec 28, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 28, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well of course

but if they can’t get one, then I’d pull the trigger.

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Dec 28, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Neither Masterson nor Bowden are really that much better than some of the guys we’ve already got. And we don’t have to trade a catcher, now that Laird is gone… why make a trade unless you’re getting exactly what you want?

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 28, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Miami bound...

by boomer1 on Dec 28, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yea

we didn’t HAVE to trade Laird at mid-season or before the season, but we SHOULD have… i don’t feel like watching Salty’s value most likely decrease as he ages…

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Dec 29, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I see

So your stance is that Salty’s not going to make it, and we need to trade him while his value’s high.

Whatevah…

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 29, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he can't make it

if he’s platooning…

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Dec 29, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, true

He didn’t do to well in the platoon last year, and this time he’s gonna have to sink or swim with it. But still, I’d rather keep him and let him try than trade him just to trade him – again, if you’re not going to extract all of his current value, what’s the difference between trading him now or at the deadline next year?

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 29, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well now

it comes back to how i think masterson/bowden are underrated and either could be a 3 in our rotation…

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Dec 29, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still believe the Sox want

Taylor Tea in the garden

"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer

by rodcarew on Dec 28, 2008 10:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Salty/Boston

As has been noted, the Red Sox have signed Josh Bard to a one year deal. Bard was the former Red Sox who was traded to the Padres in ‘06 because he couldn’t catch Wakefield’s knuckleball. Ian Browne of mlb.com is reporting that Bard won’t be catching Wakefield in ‘09 and that Varitek (if re-signed) would likely be asked to catch Wakefield. Considering all this, I think it’s now less likely that the Red Sox trade for Salty – considering that his defense is the biggest concern about his game.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 11:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

$1.6m non-guaranteed

I’d be shocked if he was on the opening day roster. It gives them both a backup plan and some negotiating leverage with Boras and any potential trade partner.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 28, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they'd jack

with a player’s future and use up a spot on the 40-man roster just for some potential leverage.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He said

It was a backup position if nothing else.

by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he also said

he’d be shocked if Bard was on the opening day roster. Are they going to both sign Varitek and trade for Salty? I’m pretty sure that if Bard is healthy, the backup catcher spot will be his to lose in spring training.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

$1.6m seems like a whole lot

to pay someone of Bard’s ilk. Particularly since they don’t think he has the skills to catch Wakefield. If Varitek comes back, I believe they’ll find a backup who can catch Wakefield. If they trade for Salty, I believe they’ll find a backup who can catch Wakefield. If they get nothing else, then Bard will most likely be the starter and they’ll find a backup who can catch Wakefield. I find that last scenario unlikely.

As for jacking with a player’s future … he accepted a non-guaranteed deal. If he could get guaranteed money, he probably would have done so.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 29, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bard

is a horrendous catcher. He couldn’t throw out my grandma running to 2nd, and he’s not particularly talented either at the other aspects of catching. He’s supposed to be the type of catcher who is passable behind the plate but decent at the plate. Maybe Petco affected the latter too much, but I think he’s just pretty bad anywhere near the plate.

by JBImaknee on Dec 29, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bard

He’s not bad. Bill James projects him to have a 729OPS in ‘09 – which is about average for a catcher. I’m not sure about his defensive abilities, although Padres pitchers are notoriously terrible at holding runners, so I wouldn’t judge his ability to throw out runners by the last two years.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 29, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boston trade ??

I think it is funny. Every year we talk about making a trade for a front line starter. Mix in a trade for top pitching prospect. We usually end up with a Chan Ho and when we do get a a solid prospect we trade him (Chris Young) away. The Yankees, Angels and Red Sox don’t win a 100 games a year because they give up the better side of a trade. Salty isnt bringing back Buchholz! When someone says add Byrd to the trade with Salty that is laughable. They had a better OF in Coco Crisp and they let him go. Varitek is coming back way before they trade a potential ace!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 29, 2008 1:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it either.

Put ourselves in BOS’ shoes. Even if we needed a C and had a surplus of starting pitching, would we bite if someone offered us merely Salty for a guy who has as much upside as no-hitter-in-only-his-2nd-ML-start Buchholz? I think people overrate Salty while underrating Buchholz.

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."
- Emo Phillips

by Rangerchick on Dec 29, 2008 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The value of both

Salty and Buchholz is down right now, as perceived by fans. But the front office people of both clubs still know that both players remain big talents with lots of potential.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 29, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, the latest on Boston and catchers.

From Sean McAdam’s write-up of the Bard/Penny signings:

Bard is viewed, at the very least, as the team’s backup catcher in 2009 and could share the starting job depending on what other moves the Sox make between now and the start of spring training. The Sox have all but given up on re-signing longtime catcher Jason Vartiek, and continue to discuss possible trades with the Texas Rangers (Taylor Teagarden, Jarrod Saltalamacchia), and Arizona Diamondbacks (Miguel Montero). It’s also possible the Sox could continue to explore the free agent market for a veteran receiver to share the duties.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Dec 29, 2008 9:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Otsuka

assuming good health — sign me up.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+Yoshaaaa!

"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."

by lonestarJon on Dec 29, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pass

No long term future here. I’ll pass. Lets see what Diamond can do.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Diamond

hasn’t pitched above AA. What on earth makes you think he is all of a sudden going to be able to jump to the majors and be anywhere near as good as Otsuka? Let Diamond start in AAA and earn a spot in the majors.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

it is possible to go from AA to the MLs. I understand your point. However, there are plenty of other pitchers that may have futures in the Ranger’s bullpen that could use the innings that Otsuka would pitch.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Otsuka, if healthy, is a proven ML quality bullpen pitcher. Diamond first off hasn’t proven to be healthy and secondly hasn’t shown to be a quality pitcher above AA yet. Even at AA he hasn’t been the type of prospect that normally jumps straight to the majors. Had he finished last year strong I think it would be a possibility but considering he was shut down last year with yet another injury and still hasn’t harnessed his stuff (ie his control) I don’t want to see him jump to the majors without showing me something pretty good either in spring training or in OKC. Until then I think if you sign Otsuka you go ahead and do it and if Diamond forces his way onto the roater you make a decision then. But to simply hand him a spot and neglect a potential upgrade in Otsuka would be a dumb move.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I think it is possible

is that JD said it was a possibility.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course its a possibility

Diamond has the stuff theres no question about that. But he hasn’t exactly dominated AA which is usually what happens when guys jump from there to the majors. And he was shut down at the end of last year due to another injury, no matter how small it was, and had been hampered by that prior to being shut down.

If he had been looking good before the injury or been able to finish the year on a good note then jumping to the majors would be a possibility but to say a guy who hasn’t dominated AA and been injured most of the last two years is going to jump from AA to the majors is a big leap.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well you said
What on earth makes you think he is all of a sudden going to be able to jump to the majors

JD saying it is a possibility makes me think that. Of course, you did add “and be anywhere near as good as Otsuka” — and to that point, I’d say you’re probably right. I’d rather have Otuska (assuming he’s healthy) and start Diamond in the minors. But, if they’re both good enough — why not? Why do you have to take only 1 of the 2?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Diamond

If Diamond has the kind of spring that forces this club to make a decision like that then we are in decent shape. I’ll take both of them if they are good enough. We have enough guys with options remaining that we can have competition and still reward the young guys.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey bigsteve

I agreed with you about Diamond. Let him start the yeat in AAA. But, there is no way I want to give any innings to a recovering 30-something pitcher over younger pitchers that we need to find out if they can be ready for 2010.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What if they aren't ready for 2009 though?

Im all for being prepared for the future but just because they are young doesn’t mean they are ready to take their lumps right now. I don’t feel Diamond is ML ready right now. In my eyes Otsuka wouldn’t be taking any time away from a young guy in preparation for 2010.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you see

the bullpen with Otsuka? (See my reply to Gdawg1 below.)

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See my reply to your reply below

:)

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Diamond has the stuff theres no question about that.

I think there is at least some question about that. He has a good not great fastball and someone like that needs a pretty nice breaking ball to be successful most of the time, especially without pinpoint command.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 29, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really

I thought his stuff wasn’t the problem it was his control that was lacking which is understandable coming off TJ surgery. I thought his curve was that breaking ball you were talking about a guy like him needing. I don’t think without serious improvement on his control from last year he could stay in the bullpen long in Arlington.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the take on his curveball depends on whose opinion you’re listening to. As far as his command, take a look back before his injury. He hit a wall in AA. He can improve his control/command, but the work that he has to do is not just related to recovery. He has to make progress from where he’s ever been.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 29, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That goes to my point that hes never been really dominant in AA or beyond which would tend to make me think he doesn’t have what it takes to make the jump to the majors

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by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about Diamond but

I don’t want Otsuka here.

Let’s get on with the future and play/pitch all the kids we keep hearing about.

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by Josey Wales on Dec 29, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Otsuka would be here for 2 years

if I read it right. So if he’s healthy, you got a good RP for 2 years for cheap. A stronger bullpen will only do wonders for this team’s development of young pitchers.

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by Gdawg on Dec 29, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well

Whose spot does he take? Right now the bullpen looks like FX2, CJ, Benoit, Madrigal, Rupe, Nippert, a lefty or Feldman or ???. Do you want CJ to be the LOOGY? Put Feldman in the rotation and bump Hurley to AAA? Bump Madrigal or Rupe to AAA even though they proved they can pitch in the MLs. DFA Nippert?

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by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen

Right now barring any trades or signings the rotation I would like to see is Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Feldman, Harrison or Hurley. The other guy goes down to OKC to start the year.

My bullpen would be Frankie(closer), CJ(setup/loogy), Benoit(setup), Nippert(6th/7th man/long relief), and Rupe(same as Nippert).

That leaves 2 spots open for competition. Otsuka could compete for one of those spots. Madrigal could compete for one, Guys like Mendoza and gabbard and Diamond could also compete for them. We have room. I don’t think Madrigal is a lock. I like him but if he had to start in OKC I wouldn’t be upset. He was good last year but we gotta remember that not too long ago he was an OF. If Otsuka and a veteran lefty were the last two in the pen I would be happy with that.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Harrison...

is a lock for the rotataion. Hurley will have to do well in the spring, but if he does then I think he should be in the rotation as well, although I wouldn’t mind him getting a few more starts in OKC.

I also think Madrigal should start the year in the ‘pen and you need another lefty imo as well. I suppose if you sign Aki you can put Madrigal back in OKC, but I don’t think Aki is much of an upgrade over Madrigal right now.

I would be very concerned with the health of Aki though.

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by slc ranger on Dec 29, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Put Madrigal in AAA

He’s going to be back up pretty soon anyways. If benoit doesn’t show up any better than last year, I think there’s a good chance we just DFA him.

The only guys that I think earned a spot in the bullpen guaranteed are CJ and Frankie Franicsco. Every other guy we are penciling into the bullpen hasn’t exactly proved himself to be worth much.

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by Gdawg on Dec 29, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Locks

Yeah right now the only guys I see that are locks in the pen are Benoit, CJ and Frankie. Nippert and Rupe have inside track at 2 of the remaining spots. And then the last couple are up in the air to some young guys and potential veterans we sign. Any young guys who doesn’t make it out of spring shouldn’t be discouraged. I am sure they will be up pretty quickly. And if not that means we are healthy and good which probably means we are a contending team.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry...

…C.J.’s “earned” a spot?

It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...

by oc on Dec 29, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say so

He hasn’t done anything to lose a spot if thats a better way to put it

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 29, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You could also put it this way

He’s the only decent bullpen lefty we really have.

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by lonestarJon on Dec 29, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

umm, yeah

Unless you think that pitching with bone spurs makes him a bad option and that outweighs what he was doing before he got hurt last season and his 2006 and 2007 seasons.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 29, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh...

I don’t think the Rangers should give Aki a ML deal right now. If he is willing to accept a minor league deal to show he’s healthy then fine (I don’t think he will/should though), but the team is going to have guys they have to keep on the roster who are out of options in Feldman and Nippert and the ’pen is going to be crowded. The only guy the Rangers should give another spot in the ’pen to right now should be LH.

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by slc ranger on Dec 29, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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