Is Tony Romo the new Jake Plummer?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 6:06 PM CST
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Hire Martz.
Fire Garrett.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Dec 28, 2008 6:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i wonder if his back is still a real issue or something
even within the context of the last two decembers, romo just didnt look like he could throw properly the last couple weeks. It wasnt about stupid decisions (though they were there), his deep ball just wasnt anything like it normally is.
anyway the 3rd season of this is pretty distressing, but I still feel fine with him as the qb.
the preceding post was a great success.
+1
This team as a whole is making stupid mental mistakes. Romo hasn’t been this team’s savior yet, but there have been communication problems with his receivers where they aren’t on the same page on plays. This usually results in an interception. Toss is injuries to McBriar, Barber, and Jones and you get a brutal looking offense.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Not his back.
Its that we had Cory Procter blocking for him. That guy sucks and does not belong in the NFL.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Dec 28, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this offense went downhill when kosier went out
Law of Averages, injuries screwed us this year…
We should be okay next year though…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
offensive line
last year…December came and our offensive line went out the window. Romo hasn’t played very well…but he RARELY has time to actually set his feet and throw a ball. Even when he tries to scramble a little…there’s more coming. when Romo has some time…he’s very good. this year..and last december..he’s had NO time whatsoever.
rec
when Montrae Holland went down, and I realized that we had nothing but Proctor, I knew this season was not meant to be.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
I have always thought Romo was overrated......
and I’m still right.
The Cowboys will not succeed in the post season with him at QB. Romo will win games for the Cowboys, just not ones that count the most.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
Peyton Manning
See how many times he failed before winning.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Don't be silly
Romo is much more talented. But he has issues with turnovers and our offensive coordinators sucks too.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
better q is, will wade be here next year?
i know jj has said yes, but, i doubt he expected anything like that in a must win game…
as much as i love stability, i’m not sure wade’s coming back now…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I wouldn't bring him back
no fucking way.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
sorry for the vulgarities
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I only saw bits and pieces of today's game
But among them was a really curious (and sorry looking) sequence. After a schoolyard play to get a first down, an OT (yes the one usually flagged for motion) drew a 5 yard penalty. On the next play, Romo had the ball stripped and returned for an Iggles TD.
I don’t know the knock on Jake Plummer, but Romo doesn’t always seem conscious of what’s going on around him.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 28, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions
Romo reminds me a lot more of Danny White than Jake Plumber
could always play well, always get us a decent record, but always collapse epically when it truly meant something
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
always... all 2 years?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
at least danny white cared when he lost big games...
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
He needs to grow.
He’s got to be a leader on that offense. He hasn’t inspired confidence. I think he can be a great NFL QB, but he needs to get his head under control if that is going to happen.
yeah
i think its more of an issue that romo could be headed towards being jake plummer but he still has the potential to grow beyond that.
it will take work
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
I will not watch another Cowboys game
Untill Wade Phillips is fired.
Hopefully I will be watching opening kickoff next year.
old people tell me he's Danny White
yeah, i don’t know what that means…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I think I understand the comparison
Definitely old, and have casually watched Cowboys for a long time. Can’t be specific, but some things do remind me of White.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 28, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Wiki
White made the Pro Bowl in 1982, and led the Cowboys to three consecutive NFC championship games (1980-1982), but was criticized after the Cowboys lost each of the three despite having been favored in all three games
White’s statistically career-best 1983 season wasn’t even enough to quiet the critics. The Cowboys ended that season with consecutive blowout losses to the rival Washington Redskins (at home) and the San Francisco 49ers after a 12-2 start. To add insult to injury, the Cowboys lost the NFC Wildcard Playoff game to the Los Angeles Rams. That apparently was enough for White to lose his starting job to Hogeboom at the start of the 1984 season.
Under Hogeboom, the Cowboys started 4-1 to begin the 1984 season, but then a loss to division rival St. Louis and ineffective play by Hogeboom convinced coach Tom Landry to reinstate White as his starter. The Cowboys finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs in 1984, but, with White as quarterback, made it back in 1985. They lost to the Los Angeles Rams again in the playoffs, however.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
You know
my dad said the same thing and he has been an avid Cowboys fan since Dandy Don.
by Michael Cave on Dec 28, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
I watched the game with my dad and uncle
I asked “is Romo the next DWhite” they said, not until he atleast gets us to the NFC Championship game….right now he doesn’t hold a candle to DWhite (as far as getting us to the next level), who I remember from my younger days.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
yes
get rid of him, the coching staff, roy willimas, and to too.
Problems with the Cowboys, in order:
Cory Proctor
Lack of a vocal leader
Coaching staff, top to bottom
Injuries
Jerry Jones
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
agree.....
won’t win another superbowl with Jerry as owner/GM.
jerry
i’m fine with him as an owner, but i think he holds the team back by being the gm too.
the team would be much better had parcells been the gm and had full power.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
gm
isn’t their job to accumulate the most talent?
and, from what many reasonable people have repeatedly said, this team is loaded with talent…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
talent
well i agree with what aikman said today, just because you have the most talent doesnt make you the best team.
the difference between this team and the early 90s is they had their share of “me” players, but they played well as a group
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
meh
so, last year when they wet 13-3 they didn’t play well as a group>
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
last year
they didnt have the pacman circus or the wr crap.
also i dont recall last years team doing much in the playoffs do you?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Well.....
part of the problem is that the players know that Jerry is really the one in charge. Not the HC. This is a major problem.
didn't do much with BP there.
unless you think BP had no power at all..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
other than bring the team back from....
three 5 win seasons and put them back in the relevant column.
and, ddin't Jerry change after that
if i recall correctly, he kinda broke down, did some crying, said things would change, and he went on to hire BP…
BP, quit, Wade was the best hire at that time, he’s continuing to get talent in here, but Jerry has to go…
right.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Wade was the best hire?
Wade was the best hire because Jones (in his own special way) had almost given the HC job to JG, then hired him as OC before finding a HC. This is why Jones needs to go as Owner/GM.
I’m fine with Jones owning the team. I’m fine with him having a lot of input in the salary structure. I’m not fine with as a GM doing stupid shit like that. Having to be on camera letting every one know who is the BMOC of the Cowboys. Undermining every HC he’s ever had. These are the problems.
Can you imagine how great the organization could have been over the last 10 years had Jerry not gotten in his own way? I can…….and it’s beautiful.
yes
they needed a 3-4 guy, wade was the best at that. You can’t bring in a newbie when you just overhauled your D from 4-3 to 3-4…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Why did they need a 3-4 head coach?
Why not hire a 3-4 defensive coordinator? Particularly since you aren’t going to let your head coach hire the coaches anyway.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
should have just read yours....
agree of course.
He was the only possible HC choice....
that could run the 3-4? Really? Had they not hired an OC already maybe they could have hired an offensive minded HC and brought in a 3-4 DC.
He's not running the show......
the inmates are.
Ok....
let me ask you then. What’s right with Wade?
Seriously.....
he’s a cheerleader. He’s a buddy. He’s a great guy. He’s a players coach on a team that needs discipline. Some teams don’t need that because they have an internal structure that takes care of issues in house. We don’t have that situation.
He’s also a great DC.
Now…..I’ve expanded my thought. It’s not shitck so answer my question. What’s right with him?
Dicipline
would you say BP was that type of HC? Because we were one of the most penalized teams with him here…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I would say he is exactly that type of HC....
and it has nothing to do with penalties.
and HE still coudn't win a playoff game here
so, if we get Another coach, like BP, and not win a playoff game for the next few years, would you want another coaching change?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I don't just want a coach....
I want a real GM. That’s been my point all along. I want players to have to answer to a coach not Jerry.
I completely agree that injuries killed this season and am not even advocating a coaching change. Continutiy is more important right now.
I just want Jerry to be the owner and stay out of the draft and not make trades. That’s all I’m asking for right now.
well
personnel wise, what’s been your issue with his signings or trades or drafts of late?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Roy Williams....
waste. I’m sure you disagree. It was a waste because he’s not that good. Solid yes but he’s being paid like the best. Not too mention the cost in picks.
I actually think the drafts of late have been fine. I worry that a Q Carter love affair could rear it’s ugly head at any moment though. In that regard I can’t say Jerry has really screwed up lately. In the past he sure did, but not lately.
no it wasn't
how is getting a young really really good WR a waste? You can’t come in during the season and make an impact, check out history….
You are worrying about stuff that you shouldn’t worry about NOW.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Roy isn't that good.....
not just this half season. He runs shitty routes (always has) has a work ethic prolblem and gets the drops to often. He probably could be great but he’s not an Irvin that will be driven to be the best. So yeah….it was a waste.
And this is my whole point. That was a Jerry as GM move. Has nothing to do with this loss. Has every thing to do with my point that Jerry is a shitty GM.
what??
that’s just wrong.
JJ is a fine GM, some people just need a whipping boy, and this year it’s Jerry. Whatever…have fun with the constant hate.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
JJ is a fine GM huh......
Well he’s been real good the last decade.
This year?
I’ve always thought Jerry needed to remove his head from his ass and step down from being GM.
But honestly I’m not a huge cowboys fan and a big reason is my distaste for jerry jones.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Are you on record...
of pointing out that the RW trade was a bad one when it was made or is this all hindsight?
by Chris Hanes on Dec 29, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry....
didn’t know I needed to post my thoughts on a Rangers website about a trade for the Cowboys. Was there a fanpost with a poll?
I’ve never thought Roy Williams was all that great. Solid yes, great no. I don’t have a problem with the cowboys landing a solid WR. I have a problem with the cost of the draft picks and signing him to a deal that make him paid like he is an elite WR.
There is also a good possibility that he could have just been signed as a FA in the off season. (that part however is clear hindsight)
Wasn’t trying to attack you. Just looking back on the posts at the time of the trade and most all posts were very positive about the trade. There was no talk about how JJ should fire himself as GM, but instead about how JJ did what he had to do to get TO some help on this team. It hasn’t worked out but I really don’t see how that’s JJ’s fault.
Jerry Jones
My problems with him go a lot further back than this season.
I do however respect the fact that money doesn’t seem to be a huge factor in his decision making when it comes to trying to win.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Sorry for the snippy response....
I’ll say that I thought he’d help more this season that he did.
work ethic
and desire seem to be problems with any UT players over the last decade once they make the pros…VY, Ricky Williams…
by kevinkinsler on Dec 29, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard its Mack Brown's fault
He coddles all his players and lets them get away with a lot of stuff. It seems to work great with them for a few years, but that is why most of them bust in the NFL. Can’t really blame Brown either since his job isn’t to make good NFL players and what he does works great in college.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
good point on brown,
but he still has a responsibility to turn his players into adults, UT football players have only a 50% graduation rate this decade
by kevinkinsler on Dec 29, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Amen.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by inactive lsb user on Dec 29, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Of course...
…if Tony Romo holds onto the snap on the FG attempt, we aren’t talking about how Parcells didn’t win a playoff game here.
He came a hell of a lot closer than any Cowboy coach in years.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
You still haven't answered my question.
I’d really like to know.
you answered some if it
he’s a good HC, a great defensive mind, a 3-4 beast. What can you do, sometimes things don’t go well…players don’t play well. INJURIES ruined this year…
If Romo doesn’t get hurt, we are in the playoffs and today’s game is meaningless..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
If Jerry has brought
in a capable backup QB, the Cowboys would be in the playoffs.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
there you go
now, THAT is something you can call out Jerry on…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
What's wrong with this team?
Why did they end up with the same record as the Dolphins? Why did they end up with a worse record than the Falcons? Maybe Mike Smith would have been a better hire than Wade…
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
i WISH we played the same
schedule as Miami did…
ATL in the East would not get into the playoffs.
heh…it’s so simple, isn’t it…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
You know who else did a head coaching job search that way?
Danny Snyder. When he hired Jim Zorn as a O.C., kicked the tires on some head coach candidates, then ended up making Zorn the head coach.
Jerry and Danny. Two peas in a pod.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Al Davis, anyone?
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Dec 29, 2008 3:01 AM CST up reply actions
It's irrelevant though
that’s like complaining about Tom Hicks with the Rangers. He isn’t selling the team so it doesn’t matter.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
I was thinking of it
I hate him so much, but like agreen said, he’s not going anywhere.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
he played and coached those teams?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
huh?
so, he gets no credit for winning 3 SBs, but all blame for the losses?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
didnt blame him for the losses
but i think the team would be better served with a strong gm and a headcoach, much like he had with parcells.
someone who would say hey, maybe its not such a good idea to bring in so many problem players.
and jerry jones thinking he did it all is part of the problem going back to jimmy
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
He wasn't the g.m. the first five seasons
Jimmy Johnson was. Jimmy Johnson got fired, ultimately, because Jerry wanted to be the g.m.
They won a Super Bowl two years later with a clown for a head coach and a clown for a g.m. with Jimmy’s players, but have been largely irrelevant since.
Jerry is a bad g.m., and if he weren’t the owner of the team, he’d have been fired from the job long ago.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Jimmy
how’d he do in Miami?
(aslo, i didn’t know he was GM at that time, i thought Jerry was…)
Anyways, again, ever since Jerry fired Campo and his realization that HE needs to change (which he absolutely has), what has he done wrong?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Jimmy....
he lost all the coaches that put him over the top. It takes a really special coach to catch lightning in a bottle twice with his coaching staffs. Tough to do.
And he also...
…took over a team that was in salary cap hell, and he never found a QB to replace Marino.
Jimmy wasn’t a miracle worker. He was a damn good coach and g.m. who also caught some breaks (for example, Emmitt Smith sliding to the Cowboys, when they were initially trying to trade up to get James Francis instead of Emmitt).
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
was Jimmy GM in name?
just want to get conformation on this (i really had no idea)…
And, again, what has Jerry done wrong since firing Campo?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
running a coaching search process.....
backwards for a start.
13-3
i’m sure, after that first season, not too many where complaining, or the fact they started 6-0 to start last year as well…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I sure wasn't....
I was fooled into thinking he’d gotten it right. I now think I was wrong.
eh...
i still had concerns that Wade was a pussy
by kevinkinsler on Dec 29, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
TO hasn't worked out
TO like Manny Ramirez is only worth having if he’s going to put you over the top. I can’t imagine him publicly calling out Garrett and Romo helped this team any.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know if he was g.m. in name or not
But Jimmy’s contract gave him complete control over personnel decisions, including the draft. After either year 3 or year 4 of the original 10 year deal, Jerry draft a control that gave him a raise, but removed his absolutely authority on personnel. Jimmy refused to sign that.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
im talking about
what jerry has done wrong as a GM since firing Campo…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
no doubt that he deserves credit for 3 super bowls
but now, he’s turning into Al Davis Jr
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Come into the 21st century.....
Those were Jerry and Jimmy teams. They made a great combo. Bill and Jerry could have. Jerry with a puppet is a recipe for disaster.
so, bill and jerry not staying together is Jerry's fault?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
where did you see....
me saying that was Jerry’s fault? I said they made a great combo. Strong HC, Jerry running the biz. That’s they way it should work. Had a chance to work that way with Parcells. Problem was Bill didn’t really want to be a HC anymore.
Now we’re back to the puppets. Wade is a great DC. Might be an ok head coach with the right orginzation. Not this one.
In large part..
…I believe it is, because from what I understand, a large part of Bill leaving was because of Jerry’s encroaching back on the personnel side which had been Bill’s.
Same problem Jimmy Johnson had, and which they fought over…whether Jimmy would have full authority on personnel, which Jones wanted to take from him (despite Jimmy having that control in his contract), and ultimately firing him in large part over that.
Jerry has said that once the salary cap was put in place, he didn’t feel he could trust anyone else but himself with control over personnel because of how devastating the implications of a bad move would be on the cap. He’s a crappy g.m. and if he weren’t the owner he’d have been fired long ago.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
i think you got false information on BP quitting.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Parcells quitting
i’ve seen / heard that speculation before. i’d wager theres at least some truth to it.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
espn talking heads don't count
if you have a reasonable source, i’m all for listening/reading this…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
do things like that ever have written sources?
not often
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Jerry is not a GENERAL MANAGER....
He needs to demote himself and hire someone to take over those duties.
Rocky Mountain Ranger
Jerry as GM
How is putting together a team that is picked by just about everyone to be the Super Bowl favorite not a sign of a good GM?
by Chris Hanes on Dec 29, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I didn't realize he put this team together..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
"Lack of a vocal leader"
How do you know there isn’t a vocal leader? And even if there isn’t, how do you know that’s a problem?
What does being "vocal" have to do with the leadership's effectiveness?
Moreover, how does any fan know whether Dallas has vocal leaders? You probably have to play for the team to know that, or be very closely connected to the team, at least.
Granted. Now please answer my question ...
which had nothing to do with “vocal” leaders.
IS THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP OF THE TEAM, WHATEVER IT IS, AN ASSET?
I wasn't addressing that issue, but rather the fallacy of needing a guy who yells a lot to be the leader.
But since you ask, I don’t really think Wade is the problem. They went 22-10 in two years under Wade. In 2006 they went 9-7 under Parcells and had no more discipline (penalties, turnovers, etc) than they did this year. I do think the offensive playcalling was pretty dubious, but I would blame Garrett for that.
his first 14 games (or so) account for that great record.
since then he is nothing but a .500 coach….
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
i disagree, not cherrypicking at all
it shows that he’s lost his team. I bet they do nothing but laugh at him when he tries to fire them up.
He wants to be their best friends instead of their coach.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Who are the player leaders of this team?
And are they doing a good job of being leaders?
No idea
I don’t think it’s possible for media or fans to know who they are, or if their influence matters. I’m of the belief that when a team wins, they have “leaders.” When they don’t, they don’t. It’s mostly media spin and has very little if any impact on the games.
So this team coming out flat in December ...
year after year has nothing to do with lack of leadership? When is the last time a Dallas team gave an inspired performance in a big December game? If leadership doesn’t matter, then why have they been so consistently horrid late in the season? Just chronic bad luck?
Maybe against the Giants a few weeks ago?
And yes, December is a month on the calendar. Winning then is no more or less an issue of leadership than winning in September, October or November. The calendar change is meaningless.
again I disagree
it’s the last month of the season, the last 4 games determine if one gets to the playoffs, or has momentum going into the playoffs.
When you do bad in December you either a) don’t make the playoffs or b) get your ass kicked in the first round.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
If they went 0-4
In September, would they have even been in the position for December to matter?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
no they wouldn't have
and then December football wouldn’t matter..
After rereading this thread I see the argument and I guess I’m arguing the wrong thing, it was late (to me), I had a liter of cheap red wine, etc..
My point was:
Going into December (do or die time) with a chance to get into the playoffs you wish you’d have some people step up….looking out there on that field they looked scared, like they didn’t give a flip. Even before it got out of hand. Philly looked mean, Dallas didn’t.
I am all over the place right now, I don’t even know what I’m arguing anymore….
Need to get my joe…
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
Well my point is
that all the games matter. December games are no more important than those in September. If you lose all your games in September and October than December doesn’t matter.
If you win all your games in Sept. and Oct but lose all your games in Nov and Dec then it doesn’t matter.
Yeah, it’s frustrating to see them suck it up late in the season — but I don’t think it’s any more inexcusable than sucking it up early in the season. JMO though.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
I understand and agree with what you're saying
My point is that when you’re heading into December with a chance to get in, it’s do or die time, you step it up…we have not…that is worrisome….
Do you not agree?
I kind of got this thing off course, my bad.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Sure I agree
with that. But it’s also worrisome that they lost to the Rams, played crappy vs the Bengals, and lost to the Cardinals.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I understand and agree
like I said I got this thing off course only talking about December, that’s the only point of my argument above….to me it goes without question that you have to win in the early months or December ball doesn’t even matter.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
That is ridiculous.
1) The Giants came into Texas Stadium coasting and played their worst game of the year by far. The defense played very well and the offense did just enough not to lose. It was hardly an inspired victory.
2) Winning in December is the difference between champions and losers. Year after year, the Cowboys have been in position to advance to the post season by the end of November. And then they just take December off. Their December (and January) performances in recent years have cost them division titles and playoff appearances, not to mention any chance to advance on those occasions when they’ve snuck into the playoffs. This team is a late season disaster and any attempt to say that December has not been this team’s Achilles heal for this entire decade is an exercise in severe intellectual dishonesty.
3) Quit dodging the issue of leadership. They either have good leadership or they don’t. Which is it?
It's ridiculous to you, because it disproves your point.
1) They whooped the best team in the NFC at home. In December. That’s what happened.
2) No, it is not. Winning is the difference between winners and losers. The calendar is irrelevant. The losses all count the same.
3) I’m not dodging the issue. I’ve said clearly that it is a) unknowable to fans and b) of questionable importance. Leadership is 90% a media story. If you win, you have leadership. If you don’t. you don’t. The real reason teams win and lose is mostly talent, with some luck spliced in.
Vocal leader
Maybe I should have clarified.
I want a leader on that team who doesn’t look clueless when things go wrong. There’s something to be said when your QB is overriding your call to punt on 4th down because even he doesn’t trust your piss poor play calling. When it’s the 16th game of the season, and your biggest problems are busted coverage on a goal line pass and form tackling? You know you don’t belong in the playoffs.
I want a leader on that team who picks themselves up off the ground when they make a mistake, instead of sulking.
The only vocal leaders on this team are our 3 WR who bobble catchable passes every game, disappear for whole quarters, and a defense that underachieves despite being so talented.
Give me a Ray Lewis on this team; a Strahan, god anything but what’s there now.
You could have told me that they ran the 0-16 Lions out there and I would have believed you.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
i know there isn't a vocal leader bc we effn blew it.
I thought Zach Thomas was going to be a guy who would do so…
the “I” guys outnumber the “team” guys…no I don’t have any proof, just willing to put up all my possessions on it based on this teams performance and ABSOLUTE lack of accountability amongst themselves (which also has to be on the coaches…..all they do is make excuses for their players…makes me want to puke)
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
it's my opinion
not a court case.
Youre right. Wade is a great HEAD coach….he has complete control of this team and gets them to play their hearts out…you win.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Well you can't say vacuous statements when arguing and expect them to be given any credibility
Sure, you can and will believe whatever you want.
But if you don’t offer any evidence, facts or data, don’t expect to persuade anyone.
How about taking some of your own advice?
Your dismissal of this team’s December meltdown habits has no basis in fact, or reason for that matter.
How in the world
on a team with Terrell Owens, Pacman Jones, Tony Romo, et. al. is Cory freakin Proctor the biggest problem on this team?
by texnykazrus on Dec 28, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
You just listed Tony Romo
in the same breath as Pacman. Fail.
Those 3 names you mentioned: ALL have done something positive on the field this year. Pacmans’ list is very short of course, and his negatives outweigh the positives. But at least he has the talent on his side. Romo, for all his failure in December the last 2 years, is one of the reasons we’re playing for something at all, and aren’t 5-11 every year. He’s still only 2 years removed from his 1st start as a QB. I believe it took Peyton fucking Manning quite a few years to win it all. You can question T.O.‘s off the field antics all you want, but he’s been an effective receiver every year since he’s been here.
Proctor didn’t have a single good game this year, that I can recall. Flozell and Columbo were flops too, but at least they had their dominant stretches too. I can’t recall too many sweeps involving Proctor pulling to the right side. Probably because that was too much for him to try and remember.
If he’s still on the team next year, never mind the field, I’ll go crazy.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Dec 29, 2008 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flozell
needs to stop having so many damn penalties. He can be great if it wasn’t for that.
Proctor is absolutely worthless.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
He is partially deaf in his right ear
Why no one ever bothered to contemplate moving him to right tackle baffles me profusely.
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 29, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think
I remember a story from a few years back saying that they did contemplate it, and he was sucking balls trying to play RT for some reason or another.
I could be wrong, but that seems correct in my mind.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
He played RT his first 3 years of college
I don’t know how long he’s been hearing impaired, but he was as far back as college.
I guess they’ve figured the false starts were worth the tradeoff.
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 29, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I guess so.
And until the last year or two, that might have been the case.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
Even still
Flo will be back next year. I’d like to see him on the right side myself. Him and Davis would chew folks up.
But it must be worth the tradeoff.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by inactive lsb user on Dec 29, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
Wade on ESPN News now.
So far, nothing earth shattering.
Wow.
He just said they have a lot of good leaders.
Sure you do, Wade. Sure you do.
I agree Athos
They have no fire… Football is a game that HAS to be played with passion. Brian Dawkins is living proof of that. Not one cowboy got his team going tonight….
"Shut the F*** up Lloyd!!"- Superagent Mr. Gold
Just because they weren't singing along to "Fly Eagles Fly"
Doesn’t mean they had no passion.
Is it possible that they just played badly? Is that so hard to fathom?
No, they definitely played badly.
It was the way they took their beating that was so frustrating. No team that plays with a fire under their ass loses like that in a big game. They rolled over and let a division rival just walk all over them. Spit out your coolaid and face reality.
You're the one drinking coolaid
The team clearly has some problems. I just don’t think passion is one of them.
If they had one, the storyline would be about the Cowboys being “cool and under control” when the Eagles were dancing around like madmen.
The issue is, they got outplayed. Passion didn’t score those touchdowns for Philly.
But lack of passion ...
on the Cowboys’ part certainly didn’t keep them from it.
Roy Williams
Will the Roy Williams (the wideout) be a terrible signing? Does TO come back? I just don’t see Roy Williams as being a big difference maker. He hasn’t shown anything yet!! That to me is going to be a huge problem for the Cowboys going forward.
Romo doesn't throw to WRs so that is an issue too
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
he cuts off routes, he rounds his routes off, he gives up on plays, he did it in DET he does it here.
This is going to be a terrible TERRIBLE deal for us.
THIS IS THE MAIN REASON JJ SHOULD NOT BE GM….
RYin is upset!
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
He got away with it because of his size at UT...
He got away with it in Detroit because he never really needed to produce like Dallas needs him to now.
He’s gotta improve his route-running (as Troy mentioned in the broadcast today), or he will never be the receiver that Dallas is envisioning.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Dec 29, 2008 3:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I forgot to mention UT, all my friends who went there curse Roy....
to nivarsity, if Roy’s been in the league for however long he’s been in the league and Jerry gives up a 1st and 3rd, then signs him to a long term deal and doing all this without noticing he’s a terrible route runner AND lazy…then more proof JJ needs to get off the GM duties.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not really sold on Roy either
But if we assume the team needs a WR more than it needs other positional help, then Roy in 2009 will almost certainly be better than a first-round WR picked in 2009. Since the team’s in win-now mode, I think the trade is still pretty justifiable. If Roy is terrible next year too, then obviously that’s no longer the case.
Is he better than a....
1st, 3rd, and a 7th? And (possibly in the future) taking up needed cap space?
lies?
my eyes don’t lie dude…I don’t listen to the game with volume….joe buck makes me want to vomit….I don’t watch ESPN either….I have to watch reruns of House and various reality shows, I have no scene control and I’m not afraid to admit it.
I see your name, I understand your angle :)
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting thread — but I wouldn’t elevate Tony to that level. After all, Jake managed to win a playoff game in Texas Stadium.
by rpv311 on Dec 28, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 28, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Owens saying some class act things in his press conf.
He’s saying all the right things. Impressive.
Yeah, real classy...
Asking the reporter to ask the question again and then picking the microphone up and holding towards the reporter which the reporter then repeated that the West Coast Offense would not happen as long as Jason Garrett is here. It was obvious he was saying there that he would like to see Jason Garrett gone.
Right or wrong, that’s CLASSLESS.
Was that the question that was asked?
I couldn’t understand it even after he held the microphone up.
Contract
Of course he’s classy now…..He does not want to get cut. Until he does it in the season I do not believe him.
Owens
I don’t think he can be cut — I think he’s a free agent.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
WTF
???? Free Agent? He signed a huge deal last offseason…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
He's not a free agent
He signed an extension last year, 4 years 34m.
by nivarsity on Dec 28, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how front in loaded was it
what do we owe him the rest of the way?
to be honest, I’d rather have T.O. than that piece of garbage R-Dubs
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
*front end
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have TO than almost any receiver in the NFL
So if that’s meant as an insult…try again.
by nivarsity on Dec 29, 2008 2:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WR's
I’d take many receivers over TO.
larry fitzgerald, calvin johnson, andre johnson, steve smith.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 29, 2008 6:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
which would make me more like you
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Um, taking Andre Johnson over TO wouldn't be bright?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I'd take those guys over TO too
Of course, you just listed the four best receivers in the NFL, arguably.
If TO is fifth, that’s hardly an insult.
I hate the Cowboys
and I’m very happy that Tony Romo is the next Jake Plummer. I like the comparison.
And I’ll be clear – I hate the Cowboys for one reason: Jerry Jones. And until he dies or sells the team, I will cheer for them to lose. And days like today make me happy.
if that's the case
then I don’t need you cheering for them after Jones anyways.
by kevinkinsler on Dec 29, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Romo would be better
if the Cowboys had a coach and a GM with the balls and respect of the team to tell Romo to cut down on the playground shit and manage a football game.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 6:47 PM CST reply actions
Romo
Would also be better if he had an owner who wasn’t threatened by hiring a head coach and GM with the balls and respect of the team to tell Romo to cut down on the playground shit and manage a football game.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
well, considering
the owner is the GM, I thought I pretty well indicted him in my comment.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the Cowboys
but I don’t think Romo is the problem. He has issues, sure, but he is not the main problem. I also hate the ’girls b/c of Jones like JB. I do think Matt Schaub, who is the quarterback of the number 3 rated offense by the way, does have a higher ceiling, especially if he can stay healthy. I watch most of their games, living in Longview and all, but I think the lack of chemistry is the main issue with the Cowboys. Hope this helps.
Cowboys
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Heh
Yah, that was a nice LSB 2.0 FAIL.
Anyway, what I meant to say…
Cowboys = Meh… and therefore, football in general = meh.
I need to go to college so I can find a stake in college football… that’s where the real action’s at.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
+1
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Dec 29, 2008 3:07 AM CST up reply actions
Actually
Jesus will have His say with Romo and the rest of us as well… but I doubt a hat will be an issue
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
It is an awful hat on general principles, but it looks exceptionally ridiculous when it is flaunted by a guy that turns to jelly every December.
atleast he didn't have it turned around backwards
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
oh that hat.....
yeah….terrible
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Can’t see the hat… sure i will tonigt whne I listen to Hansen rant… should be a great sports special
OT: playoffs
is it possible that all four wildcard teams will be road favorites?
Indy will be favored over SD/Den
Philly should be a favorite over Minn
Atlanta over Arizona
Baltimore over Miami
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 7:13 PM CST reply actions
NFC 2nd round
could be Phil at NYG and Atlanta at Carolina.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Is that Tom Brady?
WTF?
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Win multiple Super Bowls ...
and you’re allowed to look silly. Be a constant flop in big games, and you look like an asshole trying to be cute.
Constant flop in big games
Ugh.
Romo is the A-Rod of the NFL. This criticism is laughable.
I guess he’s a constant flop in big games…if you ignore the Giants game two weeks ago, the playoff game against Seattle, the comeback win over the Giants in 2007, or the other big games in which he’s played well.
How's he done in the playoffs ...
or in December when division titles and playoff berths are on the line?
Keep apologizing, buddy.
You'd have said the same thing about Peyton Manning a few years back
It’s not an issue of being clutch.
Romo is obviously a very good QB. He’s hardly perfect and he will need to improve. But he isn’t the problem.
Actually, you're quite wrong.
Say whatever you want to about Peyton’s early years, you saw nothing but determination in his eyes. You don’t see that in Romo. But maybe, just maybe, after that utter humiliation and the cumulative effect of this December, he’ll finally decide he wants to focus and be a leader. If that happens, he’ll be a Hall of Famer. If it doesn’t, he’ll be lucky to be Danny White.
ARod may go down as a Top 5 player of all time.
Romo….come on, let’s not get ridiculous.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
Injuries are to blame
What did you expect with Bobby Carpenter in street clothes?
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 28, 2008 7:16 PM CST reply actions
Not yet. Romo needs a cool nickname first.
And really its only his 2nd season. And I think once TO is gone, and he should be, that will take a lot of unnecessary pressure off him. Romo will be fine, the team just needs a head coach that can light a fire under their asses. And i dont think Garrett is the answer.
Romo is NOT the problem
The supporting cast here is highly, highly overrated. TO is no longer even an average #1 receiver. The offensive line is less mobile than a posse of rhinos. MB3 is not the same player he was last year. Roy E is hurt, bored, or retarded.
Can this be fixed? Sure. The RB depth here is terrific, this team still has plenty of draft picks albeit no #1, Roy could get himself in check. The biggest problem I see is motivation: I like Wade as a coordinator but he needs to go.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Dec 28, 2008 8:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
MB3 is a stud
it was a shame to see him go down….all over a pinkie toe…I know it doesn’t sound bad, but that’s a weight bearing phalange holmes.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 29, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
he was on pace
for 1200 yards at the time of his injury
by kevinkinsler on Dec 29, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Bob Stoops
I remember listening to Dale Hansen awhile back about Jerry Jones pursuing Bob Stoops. Would he be the right fit to turn it around?
Stoops
I thought there might be mutual interest two years ago. With the Bomar thing, the timing seemed right for Stoops to consider going to the pros where 19yo kids taking illegal money can’t mess with your program.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
I will take the hardline stance
Stoops is going no where but to Miami on Jan. 8. Maybe Mack Brown would be a good fit for the Cowboys.
Miami bound...
Mack Brown?
No, thank you.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
Here's a New Years' Resolution for you:
Don’t listen to Hansen.
It's a crazy messed-up world... It's a doggy-dogg world...
by oc on Dec 28, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Stoops
Why wouldn’t Stoops leave OU for Dallas. He would be going to the most historic NFL team. He’s the perfect fit on paper. Also, Jerry can money whip him.
by Monkey Brain on Dec 28, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Carroll
had been an NFL assistant for the previous 10 years before being hired as an NFL head coach.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's true.
I was thinking of it more as: the skill sets don’t overlap. He’s a great college coach but was a horrible pro coach.
If I were an NFL GM,
I wouldn’t rule out considering a college coach just because of recent failures.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
I might not rule it out entirely
But I would be much more inclined to go with a coach that has pro experience. College coaching is more about recruiting, and less about scheming, play calling, ego management, etc. Shoot, I could look good calling plays if I coached USC.
no doubt
but a good nfl coordinator doesn’t translate into being a good head coach either. There’s no crystal ball.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously also true
I’m just saying, all else equal, go with the guy with pro experience. It’s not a set in stone rule, though.
Stoops is a god in Norman
Just like Switzer and Wilkinson are. Stoops can do almost anything he wants he won’t be afforded that luxury in Dallas.
Miami bound...
Yes
Jason Garrett gets paid 3 million a year to be the OC. If Jerry wants someone he will get it done. He’s by far the best owner in the DFW area.
by Monkey Brain on Dec 28, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
OU vs. Cowboys
You get to coach the most historic NFL team and the opportunity to say that you were the HC of the Dallas Cowboys. Jones could throw tons of money at him. There is only one football job better than OU, UT and etc. and thats to be the HC of the Cowboys.
by Monkey Brain on Dec 28, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Believe what you want
Money isn’t everything to Stoops he has said as much. How about TCU’s coach?
Miami bound...
I believe he'd more likely go to Cleveland than Dallas
I’ll bet his name comes up in their search.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 28, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
No way
If both were options — no sane coach would choose the freaking cleveland browns over the cowboys.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 28, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Why not?
A sane coach would look at Cleveland and see that there’s a place with lower expectations, the opportunity to have control over personnel, and no clown of an owner running around making a spectacle of himself and pretending to be a football guru.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
That whole
“Low expectations” thing is largely bullshit. If they didn’t have high expectations, they’d sit with shitty Romeo for another season while Brady Quinn develops.
While it’s certainly true that Dallas expects to be contending for a Super Bowl and Cleveland expects to be contending for a .500 record, I don’t think it necessarily imparts any more job security to the Cleveland guy.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Cleveland/Dallas
I’m not sure about the low expectations scenario, but I believe that the Cowboys, because of their perceived dysfunctionality, are becoming a less attractive option for established type coaches. For example, it’s gotten to the point that no respectable coach would even interview for the Raiders’ opening. Thankfully, Jerry hasn’t done that much damage yet, but he’d have to moneywhip a big time guy to come here if he fired Phillips.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt it.
That’s really only existed here in modern times since Owens was brought in/they had high expectations and blew it.
I don’t think any respectable coach would turn his nose up at this job. Not at all.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think most coaches would
jump at the Cowboys job. Yet I don’t think guys like Holmgren and Cowher would even consider it. That’s just my speculation though.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
I would think
Guys like that want to win a ring more than a college guy who just wants to get his feet wet or a retread looking to cling on somewhere.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Holmgren
I’ve heard some talk that he might be interested in coming here, because he and Jerry developed a good relationship working on the competition committee.
That is the one high profile guy I could see deciding to come to Dallas.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Holmgren
I didn’t know that. I just can’t imagine Holmgren putting up with Jerry coaching up his players in the lockeroom at halftime and bringing in high maintenance stars, etc.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
if anyone needs to be moneywhipped
it’s Holmgren…or Cowher.
I though Holmgren wanted to take a year off though….I guess that’s where the moneywhippin’ comes in though…
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
that's what people thought about BP
and then BP went out of his way to do whatever he could to get the Cowboys job…
wonder why.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Do you think what happened with Jerry and Parcells here...
…makes it more or less likely another high profile guy would come here?
And fwiw, there was talk that Parcells was willing to come here in large part because he needed the money (and Jerry was willing to pay him top dollar) to pay his divorce settlement.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
lol. okay. i’m sorry, but i can’t argue theories.
facts yeah, theories, you win every time…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
the devil's advocate bit you're playing
is pretty good, I’ll give you that.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 28, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, maybe you guys are right
Maybe this is one of the most highly sought after head coaching jobs in the NFL, and any coach, given the choice, would come to Dallas instead of Cleveland.
However, I think coaches are going to look at what happened with Jimmy and with Parcells, and take the Jerry Jones factor into consideration, and think that maybe the Cowboys job is more trouble than it is worth.
I just don’t think it is a slam dunk that if Cleveland comes calling and Dallas comes calling, Cowher (or whomever else) would simply blow off Cleveland because the Dallas job is so much more attractive. Particularly when the Dallas job means that the owner, not you, gets to hire the coaching staff.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
The difference is
the cowboys have a ton more talent than cleveland. It’s a fact.
Coaches value talent over low expectations — good ones do at least.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 28, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Coaches also value...
…not having a meddling pain in the ass as an owner.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
This really is ridiculous
Coaches want to win and they want to get paid. They have a better chance to that here than they do in freaking cleveland — regardless of the owner being a pain in the ass.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
Cleveland's a lot like Green Bay
People there have a crazy allegiance to the Browns. Most people who grew up Browns fans have an inflated view of the national profile of the Browns. Jim Tressel has said in the past that the Browns job would be the only job that he’d consider leaving OSU for. Stoops may be similar … or maybe not.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 28, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Stoops and Tressel
Grew up in the same home town. Lot of good coaches have come from that area.
Miami bound...
All within about 50 miles
Both Stoops & Bo Pelini — Youngtown, OH
Tressel — Mentor, OH
Mangino — New Castle, PA
Urban Meyer — Ashtabula, OH
Mark Dantonio — Zanesville, OH
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 28, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't look like it's going to happen
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3797518
The Cleveland Browns fired coach Romeo Crennel following a 4-12 season.
The decision came one day after general manager Phil Savage was dismissed. Owner Randy Lerner met with Crennel on Monday morning and the team announced the coach’s firing moments before a news conference began.
Lerner, who’s been expected to make a run at former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, said Monday that Cowher told him he was not interested in joining the Browns.
A source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that although Cowher told the Browns he is not interested in their job, he has not ruled out a return to coaching somewhere in 2009. The source also said Cowher could still listen to opportunities to coach elsewhere next season.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 29, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
cowher
is probably doing what BP did a few years ago, he’s trying to get word to Jerry that he wants the job if Wade’s fired.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
LOL
Trust me money will get the best of you. Arod came here for 252 million but he wanted to go to New York all along. If the rumors are true then Jerry will pursue Stoops.
by Monkey Brain on Dec 28, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
Bob Stoops
Bob Stoops has the profile of a NFL coach not Gary Patterson. Also, there is no way that Patterson’s 4-2-5 defense can work in the NFL.
by Monkey Brain on Dec 28, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think Jerry would be willing to pay Cowher 10
If he liked Stoops, he’d definitely go higher than 3.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Not going to happen
Cowher is going to want control. Jerry isn’t going to do that.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry's not insane
No matter, what KSK may imply. I love those guys, but aside from the Al Davis posts, It’s meant to be hyperbole for the sake of parody. In Jerry’s sake, it’s never really been warranted. You could imagine Jay Cutler being the biggest douchebag on the planet, but could you see Jerry being that big of an asshole? He strikes me as more of a dignified realist type.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Nope
But there are teams that will give him full control if he wants to come back.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Why
Are you so certain that that is a demand he has?
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
it fits his argument
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 28, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Everything I've heard indicates it is
Now, he may be willing to have a deal where someone he works closely with and is simpatico with comes in as g.m. Sort of like in Houston, where Kubiak isn’t the g.m., but his guy from Denver came over to take the job, and largely defers to what Kubiak wants.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
That every team with an opening wants Cowher...
….and that wherever he goes, he’s going to want control over personnel decisions, whether that’s through having “his guy” as the g.m., or by being the g.m. himself. I suspect it would be an arrangement where he’d bring someone he worked with in Pittsburgh in to be the g.m., but it would be something similar to the supposed “puppet regime” that people assumed we had in Texas with Buck and Daniels, where the g.m. is basically there to do and implement what the head coach wants.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
You mean
The one forum without any evidence? Nice.
I’m not denying it, I’d just like to see something that actually says that.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
if you google
cowher wants team control it is 100% speculation out there. There is absolutely nothing out there that came from his mouth.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 28, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
My guess
Is people look at his jaw and think he must be some John Wayne badass who doesn’t take shit from anyone.
The truth is probably that he just wants to coach and win. I’m sure he would want imput—almost any coach gets at least that—but this feeling that any good coach wants full control just seems like a product of Parcellsball.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
the jaw.
But yeah, not sure why anyone would give him power of all personnel decisions when he’s never done that before. As a coach, he’s good, i guess…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
input
how do you ensure you get input unless you get it in writing in your contract?
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see
Why, even if that’s true, that that is in friction with anything else I’ve said.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
practically,
how do you guarantee you have true input? Seems to me you either have to be the coach/gm or like Adam said earlier, basically have your handpicked guy as the gm who defers to you. Otherwise what’s to prevent the gm and or owner from “listening” to all of your input but doing whatever he wants.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
What does it matter?
The owner can do whatever he wants anyway. I don’t think that you have to have such hard-line stances. There could be a middle ground for personnel decisions; a clause that stipulates that a certain kind of move requires the coach’s approval or whatever the case may be.
That doesn’t make him the G.M. by any means.
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sure
ultimately, the coach and gm have to have a good working relationship. If the coach (Parcells in NE, for example) thinks he can do the gm’s job better or if the gm wants to make all the decisions on his own – then we have a problem.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Its really
to bad the Cowboys didn’t hire Mike Singletary instead of Phillips a few years ago.
He has shown he knows how to fire his guys up and win games.
I'm Ed Werner, but with real secret sources...
Singletary
I could see him having a good year or two, but I think his style will wear thin quickly with today’s NFL players.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 8:27 PM CST reply actions
Lol
Cowboys fans well most of them are all about excuses. It’s funny but hey here is something you all never thought of.
Your team sucks they have no heart, it’s all about the money with them.
Anyways this is a baseball site about the Rangers we get enough cowboys news already why talk about it here? Don’t the Cowboys have their own blogging site? I’m sure they have two or three….thousand of them.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Dec 28, 2008 8:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hope you catch a healthy-sized dose of cancer of the penis
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 28, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Woo!
I forgot to add
Cowboys fans are also very classy.
I’ll be checking my penis for you often, i’ll let you know what happens.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
If you don't want to read about the Cowboys
Don’t read the Cowboys-related threads.
Complicated, I know.
Thanks for the advice.
But sadly I don’t get your complicated talk. I must not be on the level of your smartness.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
Is English your first language?
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Dec 28, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Hard as it must be to believe
Most Rangers fans are Cowboys fans. The Cowboys got knocked out of the playoffs today. Folks here care about it, whether you do or not.
Now move along.
If Wade does get fired
who will be the next HC? I hope it’s not Garrett becasue he is way overrated.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
On to bigger and better things....
When do pitchers and catchers report?
Just keep your mask on and umpire the game! - Tom Grieve, 5/25/08
48 days I think
Based on the last Newberg report
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
The last two and a half years have been
a load of shit for Dallas sports fans. Two one-and-outs for the Mavs, two one-and-outs for the Cowboys plus this year’s horrid performance. The Rangers of course haven’t gotten near the AL West but at least they’re improving. The Stars have been, uh, the top performers since mid-2006, with a first-round exit and one WCF appearance where they pushed Hockeytown to six games. I think they’re picking up and could sneak into the playoffs now.
How weird is it
That the Rangers are in conceivably the best position going forward?
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
and yet...
their best sports blog is discussing the Cowboys.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 28, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys
I’m not sure how you define “going forward”, but the Cowboys have a lot of good players under team control going forward.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 28, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
And more questions circulating around them
Than (arguably) any other team in pro sports.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Dec 28, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
the Stars
have been the consistent class of Dallas since 1997
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Dec 28, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Even if you don’t like hockey, Mike Modano is what every athlete in Dallas should hope to become.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
A vapid...
light-in-the-loafers pretty boy?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
A legend at his game
and one of the best to put on a uniform in any sport. Also a class act guy who played the game right.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
You'll get VY away from the Titans...
…when you pry him away from Bud Adams’ cold, dead fingers.
Fisher and the coaching staff didn’t want VY, because they felt he’d be a bad fit for the offense, but Bud Adams wanted him, in no small part so it would be yet another f.u. to Houston from him.
He’s still saying that VY is the QB of the future for the Titans.
I thought they’d release him this offseason, at one point, but now I don’t.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 28, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
VY
I still think he could be a good QB in the right offense. Much like texas had to mold the style to fit him
But i’m not sure he will ever be any more successful than michael vick was pre dog fighting.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Hansen's on
should be interesting..,,,
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:31 PM CST reply actions
what a melt
some people can pull of pinstripe suits, Dale isn’t one of them..
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 28, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Wow. Romo collapsed in the shower.
Athletic trainer Jim Maurer and his staff rushed into the shower as the locker room came to a near standstill. A stretcher was wheeled in, but Romo was eventually helped to his feet and taken into the training room.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/tony-romo-collapsed-in-the-shower.html
Scary.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
I'm not a Cowboys fan but this team is
much closer than most teams going into next year (but I thought Roy Williams would be better).
There’s something wrong internally and I would venture that things will be different if TO is gone.
They come back next year with a healthy Barber, FJones, Choice plus Witten and a young QB stepping into his prime…most teams don’t have that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Forgot about Felix
He really did make our offence tick in the early weeks when we started 3-0. Let’s hope we can manage all three of our running backs. I hope McBriar doesn’t lose anything as a result of injury. The STs were average-to-crap after he went down.
I just don’t get it though: this team on paper has the most talent in the league, yet it’s still so full of holes. The offensive line is terrible and the playcalling fooled noone for most of the season.
Factor in that the Cowboys have a great (if not the best) pass rusher in
DeMarcus Ware, a phenomenal DT in Ratliff, Newman on the corner…there are a lot of very nice pieces on this team to build around going into next year.
There is just something very wrong internally and the powers that be need to be perceptive enough to know what those issues are and then act with extreme prejudice.
If that happens, the Cowboys are in good shape (and I don’t like the Cowboys).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
BG, is that question towards me
and if so, what are you asking me?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
You said
That Ware wasn’t the best pass rusher in football. Who is?
by brettgardner on Dec 28, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know of anybody I would rather have
than Ware.
Tommy Harris is good, Freeney, Merriman (when healthy), those boys from the Giants, Jared Allen doesn’t suck, Haynesworth, Harrison in Pittsburgh but DeMarcus Ware might be better than all of them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 28, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
gardner,
I said Ware was the best and listed several other very good pass rushers.
If Tommy Harris doesn’t fit your criteria, who gives a fuck?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 29, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
I do
Obviously. Don’t ask dumbshit questions to make yourself feel like a superior man. This whole conversation was premised upon a misunderstanding on my part of your use of “if not the best”. I thought you were using it to mean “he’s good, but not the best”. I was wrong, obviously.
But if you can’t engage in some friendly disagreement and argument about something as superficial as “who’s better?” without getting all bitchy, then you need to chill the fuck out.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit do you need to realize who you're talking to.
But if you can’t engage in some friendly disagreement and argument about something as superficial as "who’s better?" without getting all bitchy, then you need to chill the fuck out.
I said the Cowboys have a "great (if not the best) pass rusher in
DeMarcus Ware…"
I said Ware was great and you just said you were wrong.
Find something else to bitch about where you don’t end up with dog shit on your shoes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 29, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
romo
obviously has his issues with turnovers but he isnt the biggest problem
we need a head coach that is more of a disciplinarian and coordinators that are more experience. wade would be a great defensive coordinator but he isnt going to take a demotion.
by kumizi on Dec 29, 2008 12:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It's sad too
I like Wade a lot. He’s a fantastic coordinator, and the D really did start playing well when he started calling more plays instead of Stewart.
I wish he would be our D coordinator with someone like Cowher as head coach.
Guess I’ll just hit the bong again.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
Amen.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by inactive lsb user on Dec 29, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
why did someone (presumably the poster) delete the bard/penny thread?
that was worthy of a fanpost.
the preceding post was a great success.
The poster
was kevsta, IIRC, fwiw.
"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."
- The Huntressatron
by inactive lsb user on Dec 29, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
What makes anyone...
think that Wade Phillips is going to win anything? Has he ever coached a team to a superbowl? Time for some new blood instead recycling the same old coaches.
I really just don't get it.
I sincerely do not understand why this Cowboys team underachieved so greatly. Are injuries to blame? Certainly, but you can only put so much on injuries. Dallas got straight-up manhandled against Philadelphia in a must-win game. Injuries didn’t lose to the Cardinals, and injuries didn’t lose to Philly.
I happen to think that Wade Phillips isn’t a bad coach; sure, he’s made some boneheaded decisions and would probably be better suited in a defensive coordinator role, but I haven’t found myself thinking, “Wow, the Cowboys are a poorly coached team.”
Maybe it’s the whole chemistry/intangibles thing, with guys like Pacman Jones and Terrell Owens supposedly hurting the team. Maybe it’s that the team is not mentally prepared for big games, which would then fall on the coaches. Maybe Tony Romo isn’t “the guy.” Maybe it’s a combination of those things.
Whatever it is, I don’t know if I’ve ever been more bewildered about a team’s failure than with this team.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Are injuries to blame?
yes. healthy team and this is a 11 win team, atleast, and we’re in the playoffs comfortably.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Are injuries to blame? Certainly, but you can only put so much on injuries.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
let's see, throughout the year
romo, newman, kosier, holland, flozell, roy, roy2, Witt, barber, felix, pac, watkins, Henry, jenkins, austin, hurd, (probably some more i couldn’t think of right away) either missed some games, significant playing time, or just played extremely hurt (Witt).
Yes, injuries have a lot do do with it…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
So you're willing to chalk this season's shortcomings up solely and only to injuries?
Because I’m not.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
injuries had a huge part
this is a playoff team if we were healthy, not sure how you can disagree there.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I'm not going to disagree that injuries were a big part.
Perhaps the biggest part.
But I think it would be naive of Cowboys fans to say, “Well, injuries doomed us, nothing you can do about it, next year this same team will be awesome.” I think the problem with the team goes further than just injuries.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
You know what?
This team played like absolute shit following the Green Bay game. They barely beat Cincy, caught a break by playing a bunch of really terrible teams in a row, and then let their defense carry the entire load against New York.
They had moments where they looked worthy of a playoff spot, but I’m not positive that they capture it even if Romo and Jones stay healthy.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Are you kidding?
No. A thousand times, no.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
why?
Romo doesn’t lose early, especially on the road…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
I haven't a clue.
I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
how hard is it to understand
i say the Cowboys would have had a really good chance of beating the Rams with a healthy Romo.
But, you say no, because…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Because
The defense played like shit? Would Romo have just held his hand up and stopped the Rams from scoring drive after drive?
Plus, I just watched Romo play like balls early on the road yesterday, so like I said, I haven’t a clue what point you’re trying to make.
by brettgardner on Dec 29, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
a healthy romo
doesn’t lose games early in seasons, that’s pretty much fact.
And, so, 4 turnovers from BJ had nothing to do with those short fields for our defense, an obvious letdown from Romo’s injury and the week before had nothing to do with it either?
Teams have letdowns after big time injuries, and that’s what happened…and having a backup QB who can’t throw it more than 15 yards doesn’t help much either…
THis is a team that beat the Giants on the road this year, no way you can say ‘a thousand times yes’ that they still lose that game against St. Louis with a healthy ROmo…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The Cowboys beat the Giants on the road this year?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
As I recall, they got pummeled in that game.
They beat them here late in the season when the Giants were coasting.
That was the Brad Johnson/Brooks Bollinger game though
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
They could have suited me up at QB
and they still should have won that game against the Rams.
The Rams are awful this season, and weren’t competitive in the majority of their games.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
They beat us
Washington on the road, and nearly New England on the road in 3 consecutive weeks. They are a different team when Stephen Jackson plays.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I realize Stephen Jackson does make them
better.
But I don’t buy that not only could we not beat them, but they wipe the floor with us.
Any team that has Super Bowl aspirations does NOT allow that to happen.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
Which is why were sittin at the house.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Yeah...I think Plummer had more natural ability.
Romo is the new Danny White.
By the way, Ray Lewis would provide this team with some badly needed fire.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
Why is Romo trashed so much
This reminds me of when the Colts kept losing to the Pats and the blame was always put on Manning. While he didn’t lead his team to a victory, he wasn’t the reason they lost each year. The same with Romo. The defense gave allowed the Eagles to score 27 points before halftime which was also on the special teams for allowing that last FG. If the Eagles wanted to, they could have easily put up 50 points on this Cowboys team yesterday and gone even farther.
Injuries played a huge part in this team not making the playoffs, but I don’t know if this team plays much better in December with better health. The team collapsed, but they still would have been good enough to make the playoffs due to a better regular season outside of December.
Hopefully next year, Felix Jones and Marion Barber are healthy all season with Newman and Romo too. Also hopefully next year, this team will let the injured players sit out and heal the first time instead of watching them re-injure themselves.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 29, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Stephen Jones
Kind of Off Topic here, but does anyone have any feelings one way or another about Stephen Jones? I just wonder if sometimes he wishes he could take over this team and hire a HC and allow him to have the power over this football team that most on here seem to be wanting.
Of course, we really don’t know how much true power Wade has. He may have more say so about personnel than we think. Or he may have less. We just don’t truly know.
Attack of Bradie James
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1115530.html
haha
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
What position does he play for them?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Lets just hope he rooms with McNabb
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
Jake Plummer was a lot better than say, Jay Cutler btw
The Broncos record was much better under Plummer than it has been under Cutler.
The Broncos defense is terrible
Your are stupid. Plummer didn’t throw more TD’s than interceptions til his 5th year in the league. He was terrible.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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