Wednesday morning things
T.R. Sullivan has an article up about next week's winter meetings. In case the point hadn't been made clear enough already, Sullivan emphasizes the Rangers' financial situation is bad, and they just can't afford to add any payroll unless they move someone like Blalock, Millwood or Padilla.
Evan Grant has the latest edition of his Rangers newsletter up, and he hits on the same point...the Rangers are in "cost-cutting mode," and can't possibly add any more payroll.
None of this "player specific" budgetary stuff from the team this year...they have a plan, and it involves having one of the lowest payrolls in the majors. So much for Nolan Ryan coming on board and getting Tom Hicks to get the payroll to move up a notch.
Meanwhile, the Detroit Free Press says that the Tigers remain in the running to acquire Gerald Laird, who the cost-cutting Rangers seemingly aren't going to be able to afford next year.
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This sucks.
In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.
by tricer on
Dec 3, 2008 7:44 AM CST
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Indeed.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 9:03 AM CST
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Washington
In hiring Jackie Moore as Washington’s bench coach, the Rangers believe they will give Washington a stronger base of knowledge to draw from than he had with Art Howe.
This stuff really bothers me. He was a major league player for 12 years, a major league coach for another 10, and has now been a manager for 2. He has spent his entire adult life in the game and he still needs a babysitter? Nice hire JD.
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by DaheelzCM on
Dec 3, 2008 7:49 AM CST
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+1
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 3, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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So are we left to believe
that Art Howe just fell into all that success with the Oakland A’s?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:09 AM CST
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What does this mean?
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on
Dec 3, 2008 9:17 AM CST
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Isn't Jackie Moore pushing 80 years old?
Maybe I’m wrong but I think he’s at least in his 70’s.
How’s he going to hold up during a brutal summer of heat/
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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All this talk about budgets and the need to cut costs
pretty much cements why I believe Ron Washington is still here.
They can fire Washington early on if needed and replace him with somebody interim on staff without having to give him the salary of a real manager.
Why else would Washington still be here?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:28 AM CST
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Just checked the greatness
of baseballreference.com
Jackie Moore turns 70 years old this February.
I cannot imagine a world without baseballreference.com…how did we ever get along without it?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:30 AM CST
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I dunno. Google. Wikipedia.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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so Josey took over
for HH and sharky on replying to himself the most times.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 3, 2008 10:30 AM CST
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im baseball depressed.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on
Dec 3, 2008 7:53 AM CST
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First question in Grant's newsletter
Grant’s answer sums up how I feel about Hicks right now pretty well. It’s not really a good time to spend, better off loosening the purse strings a bit next offseason. As much as I’d love to see the team add someone and spend a little money, it probably doesn’t change the situation. They’re better off being patient and delaying that gratification to a time when it will really help. Ditto with the catching situation. I’m all for trading Laird for any prospect of decent value and letting Tea and Salty grow into something this season.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 7:54 AM CST
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Undervaluing money
I am just thinking about the current climate and how most teams are responding compared to the A’s. The part about this payroll thing that bothers me is that I think Hicks might be missing an opportunity at real bargains for the sake of a one year budget problem. When I look at what the A’s are doing it seems Beane may have decided that money is the thing being underrated right now. Or veterans. The pendulum has swung so far that real bargains may be out there this winter. I’d hate to see the Rangers pass on an appropriate player, like Sheets or a trade for someone like Beltre at 3B solely out of concern for the 2009 budget without taking the bigger picture into consideration.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 8:15 AM CST
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specifically Sheets
He might actually be willing to come here, and you can’t always count on the perfect pitcher being both available and willing at the exact time that you’d like to sign them. Surely we’d like to compete by 2010, and it might be nice to give fans a glimmer of hope for 09, and a guy like Sheets, who may be available as one of the best FA bargains in a loooong time could potentially solve a lot of problems in the short term, as well as in the contention window.
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by tricer on
Dec 3, 2008 8:24 AM CST
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I agree
and I doubt the Rangers won’t atleast consider him. It’s just unlikely he’ll fall into reasonable price range. I’d be all over trading Laird and Millwood to clear up some space to help though.
by slimshadty12 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:59 AM CST
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I think Grant is perfect
in his description of Washington. The guy truly does concentrate too much on what some players can’t do and lets that affect all of his decisions.
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by Gdawg on
Dec 3, 2008 8:07 AM CST
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So do you think this will hasten
a possible deal of either Millwood or Padilla? I know this has been talked about a bit, but will the Rangers start engaging in salary dumps?
by Michael Cave on
Dec 3, 2008 8:11 AM CST
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The way it sounds...
If Bradley accepts arbitration Hicks may have to declare bankruptcy….lol
I really thought that we would be in the running for Sheets and Wood this year, but it seems that we will run the kids and below average pitchers out there again.
Man this really makes me want to buy season tickets…..I’m sure they are selling like crazy!
by death of the cool on
Dec 3, 2008 8:47 AM CST
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it is really too bad
the Tigers have nothing of value to a team looking to cut costs. They do have a kid named Rudy Darrow who is an intriguing bullpen arm, and I am curious to see if Jeff Larish can play a passable 3B. It seems unlikely.
by clark on
Dec 3, 2008 8:49 AM CST
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Larish at 3b!!??
May as well play CD or Max there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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Heh, or Laird. He’s got at least a few innings of MLB time at third base!
by FuturePants on
Dec 3, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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he actually played 12 games there last year
at the ML level, but I think it was a situation where they had a huge hole at 3B and just wanted to get him into some late season games. BA does actually project him as their 3B for 2012, but that is probably because no other option exists.
The Tigers have a few interesting arms in Darrow, Fien, Luis Marte and Morosco. If worst comes to worst, I would live with a deal involving at least two of those arms for Laird. But i certainly don’t see a match between these two teams that could be considered “sexy”.
by clark on
Dec 3, 2008 10:34 AM CST
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Lets see,
the Rangers are cutting costs, don’t have a lot of young new talent in the lineup this year, likely will be fielding a team without MB, haven’t improved defense, and raised ticket prices. Yeah, thats gonna be an easy sale for their marketing group.
At least the Franchise Face will be packing them in.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
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by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 8:51 AM CST
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They got a marketing plan
Its, “Come see Michael Young, Texas’ Gold Glove winning Shortstop….and everyone else!”
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on
Dec 3, 2008 1:01 PM CST
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Well, people kept telling me
that paying FFace that much was needed to keep fans coming in, so this year will be a great test of that.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 1:39 PM CST
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This is ridiculous
I agree with T ball. We could be missing some real bargains this year for the sake of budgeting one year. You have to keep the big picture in mind.
I guess he really wants us to be a small market team in a BIG market. Somebody needs to let Hicks know that we are not Tampa Bay or Colorado, and that their method of success is not a sustained one.
Are we ready to have 10 more losing seasons before we win? You have to spend money and develop on the farm. Teams with low payrolls don’t win consistently.
Ridiculous. Absolutely Ridiculous
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on
Dec 3, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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Quick question
How the fuck are we all of a sudden this poor???
I didn’t believe it at first, but apparently it’s true.
So what is it? The economy? A lack of revenue from this season’s poor attendance? Hicks’ forget the combination to his safe? A combination of all three? I mean geez, we went from dreaming about Ben Sheets to cutting costs like the freaking Marlins. And it’s making me worry.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 3, 2008 8:54 AM CST
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and just think what would happen if the Stars cut Avery.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
Dec 3, 2008 9:15 AM CST
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Then his sloppy seconds
wouldn’t be around Dallas.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 9:29 AM CST
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I would take Avery's sloppy seconds....
….he’s had some nice pieces.
i like baseball too
by bspate on
Dec 3, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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I saw this on the TV at the gym this morning.
Why is this a big deal?
The dude is dating his ex-girlfriend. He’s not allowed to say shit about it?
Or is the term sloppy seconds just way more offensive than I’ve been lead to believe?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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I, too
fail to understand the fuss. He didn’t say anything offensive, he just sounded bitter. It’s not ok to be bitter about your ex? Suspend everyone immediately. The only stupidity is using a press conference to do it.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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These guys knock the living
shit out of each other with incredible cheapshots that are year or career-ending and nothing is done.
Avery was trying to get under Phaneuf’s skin any way he could and was bringing a WWF element to a relatively who gives a rip, mid-week contest being played in Siberia.
Yes, very classless but really harmless. Avery had full intentions of playing the game and facing the music. Hicks is worried about the image of the team but had no problems signing a druggie like Sosa on the cheap.
Interesting that the Stars came together and won last night. I hope Avery gets harnessed enough by Hull to be here long-term but everybody interviewed sounded fairly disgusted by him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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Why not let it be settled
with Phaneuf or teammates lighting up Avery? Isn’t that the way things should be handled?
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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Avery
he’s stated on more than one occasion that he wants the NHL to be more WWE. Unfortunately for him, no one seems to agree with him.
It is certainly a struggle of sorts. Avery’s thinking is that the NHL is such a shit franchise that things like this (admittedly) will get the NHL into the news. Problem is it’s not exactly the type of reputation you want with a major sports league. Keep going down that road and the UFC will pass it in terms of legitimate sport (maybe it already has).
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by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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Well,
Avery has more clue than Gary Bettman. The NHL may be in as bad of shape now as when Bettman took it over.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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i can see avery's point
but i think in general, when you go down the road of gimmicks, you’re in for some trouble. advertising skill is what is going to elevate your sport, not shtick like heels. UFC figured that out, baseball figured that out eventually. XFL proved the converse
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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*clarification
*advertising the skills of the players.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:01 AM CST
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Well, I think playing up the hatred angle alwasy works.
Look at what a big deal those Shaq-Kobe games were for a while.
The NHL doesn’t have a lot going for it. Promoting the many fueds and the bad blood angles might not be such a bad idea.
Tell me you won’t be the slightest bit more interested to see the next game where Avery and the sloppy seconds guy meet up on the ice.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 10:04 AM CST
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i might be more itnerested
but the payoff isn’t worth it. “He hate me” caught my attention for 5 minutes too. As did WWE. But if that stuff overshadows the actual game then it’s more detrimental.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:08 AM CST
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I'm thinking the NHL might not have a choice....
They better do something to get in the news and create some reason for the non-die hard hockey fan to tune in.
I used to be a hockey fan, and wouldn’t have dare missed a Stars-Avalanche game back in the day. Now there are no rivalries and I feel ashamed to be one of those playoff only hockey fans……but it is what I have become with the NHL.
I need some LeBron, Kobe, T.O., Manning, Jeter, Hamilton reasons to watch hockey……..and they are not there……sigh.
i like baseball too
by bspate on
Dec 3, 2008 10:38 AM CST
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So in other words, more jump throws?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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Jump goals? Or jump saves?
Maybe jump face-offs?
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on
Dec 3, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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I'd like to see more jump fighting.
Jump punches and jump kicks and jump sweater pulling.
The jump kicks especially could get fun, what with the razor sharp hockey skates and all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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Hell yea!!
I luvs me some Jeter jump throws!!
My wife has half of our house decorated with Yankees and Jeter stuff….I have to hear about every jump throw……and I give Jeter props for it.
i like baseball too
by bspate on
Dec 3, 2008 11:14 AM CST
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you should let jeter bang your wife
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 12:39 PM CST
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Marchment got away with all that crap
v. Joe N, Greg Adams and Modano without suspension but it’s not okay for Avery to say what he said?
Yes, it was classless but “an indefinite suspension” ?
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by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:45 AM CST
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i think it is specifically about the term "sloppy seconds"
and i could see why a term like that isn’t exactly “workplace talk.” They probably wouldn’t let him use the word “slut” either.
BTW, I don’t like how the media keeps saying that he is referring to Elisha Cuthbert. I believe Rachel Hunter is also his sloppy seconds. I’m sure she would also like her press headlines. I almost expect a press release from her agent saying how she’s offended – and then people will have to acknowledge that indeed she was a sloppy seconds and deserves a chance to respond.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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abo3, understood
but he didn’t reference spefically by name. That’s why this is an over reaction.
It is the first time I’ve ever heard an athlete utter the phrase “Sloppy Seconds.” That was a team name in a fantasy football league I played in from a returning champion.
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by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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you can't use that term even generally
he couldn’t have said “I can’t believe all the sluts I’ve slept with” either
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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We are becoming
a nation of pussies, if you can’t even say, “Jane, you ignorant slut”, anymore.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
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by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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well
you can say lots of things on SNL that players can’t say in press releases.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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I don't think Avery
made a press release.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 10:11 AM CST
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talking to the press
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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Lebron James called Charles Barkley stupid the other day.
I’d think being called an idiot would be much worse than implying someone is having sex with a woman you’ve had relations with in the past.
I’d much rather be known as someone who has sex with girls who aren’t virgins than be known as a dumb-dumb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 10:16 AM CST
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Especially
when said girl is Elisha freaking Cuthbert.
by Michael Cave on
Dec 3, 2008 10:31 AM CST
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By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 3, 2008 10:34 AM CST
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There’s nothing I can do to not believe he’s a Jedi-level douchebag.
Go Strangers.
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Dec 3, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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you're not a girl
i don’t think you can comment on what it would be like to be called “sloppy seconds” or “slut”
the issue is not that he implied someone is having sex with a woman he had relations with in the past. it’s the derogatory term he used towards that woman
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by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 12:42 PM CST
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Oh give it a rest
Did Elisha Cuthbert call Bettman to complain causing the suspension?
Was his comment harsh…absolutely. But to suspend the guy over it is stupid. I can guarantee you worse stuff gets said during games between players and not so much as a penalty is called.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 3, 2008 12:49 PM CST
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right
and you’re not thinking hard enough about this if you can’t see the difference between saying it on the ice and saying it in front of cameras.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 4:59 PM CST
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I finally may have seen some one
who is more of a PC douchebag than the NHL.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 1:40 PM CST
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+1
Although, to be PC, I haven’t actually “met” him, yet.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 3, 2008 2:48 PM CST
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Cahill, for once
Agreeance.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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Luckily, though
endless violence is still acceptable. It’s good the country has its priorities straight.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 10:11 AM CST
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Absolutely.
We need to dish out fines and pump up the FCC on the off chance a kid sees a bare breast on a super bowl.
However, unloading an UZI into someones face during primetime? Thats just good entertainment.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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No kidding
I was at GameStop the other day and there was a woman in there with her teenage son. They were looking for a first person shooter game and were talking to the guy who works there. They had it narrowed down to 2 games and the guy said one of them had a little bit of sexual stuff in it and one was more violent. Well, that’s all the mom had to hear……they went with the more violent one.
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by DaheelzCM on
Dec 3, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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They keep referring to Cuthbert
because she is dating Phaneuf and Avery was speaking specifically about Phaneuf.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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well maybe not specifically
but why would he just randomly talk about this in calgary if he wasn’t referring to Phaneuf.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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i'm just saying
rachel hunter deserves her due!
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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lol
for sure
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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Not any more..
to quote Rhyner, has anybody seen that lately?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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Rhyner's dead
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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Stacy's Mom...
…has got it goin’ on!
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by Chaim Witz on
Dec 3, 2008 10:48 AM CST
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Great video...
…I like to watch it… slowly…
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on
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Yah, but it's a different sort of workplace.
One where they curse and scream and punch each other in the face and where publicly questioning someone’s manhood is perfectly okay.
I don’t think saying that some guy who’s dating your ex has fallen in love with your sloppy seconds is out of bounds in that sort of environment.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 10:02 AM CST
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but this isn't a new thing
they can curse, but if that curse is caught on camera or by mic, they would probably get fined. they can’t curse giving a post game press conference (at least they can’t go into a profanity laced tirade).
And being vulgar is a bit different than just cursing in the heat of the moment.
I feel like people are troubled because “sloppy seconds” is an innoccuous term that they use all the time but if you think about it, it really is not something that is ok to use in normal speech. calling someone a slut might even be better.
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by ab03 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:06 AM CST
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"They can't curse giving a post game press conference"
Kevin Garnett would like an effing word with you.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Dec 3, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Keep in mind
how tight credit is right now. It’s one thing to say that the team should be willing to lose money in the short term (pretty much a guarantee this year) and take some risk adding payroll hoping for a payoff later. But:
1. Getting loans for cash flow purposes is extraordinarily difficult right now for any business. In a more favorable climate it’s much easier to take a bath one year and try to make it up later.
2. We have no idea how much the recession has affected Hicks overall.
3. Unless you are absolutely certain a player will lead to a significantly greater chance of winning now is not the time to add that player given where the team is in their development curve.
4. Even after the team starts to win it will take time for ticket sales to reflect that success — maybe as much as an entire season. Tampa’s ticket sales didn’t tick up in a big way until almost the end of the season.
Tampa finished 26th in attendance this year — right behind Texas. In a couple of years when guys like Davis reach arb years, we might be glad the team was conservative with payroll now.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 9:20 AM CST
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does anybody REALLY believe
that a ML team can lose money? Maybe I’m ignorant, but I don’t think so.
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by tricer on
Dec 3, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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Ok, fine
Yes, I do believe it can happen, but for the sake of argument…you own a business and your projection for 2009 says you will be hard pressed to break even as sales are expected to fall 10-20%. Furthermore, credit is extremely difficult to come by, and banks are demanding more collateral and higher interest than before. Would you immediately invest a large sum of money in new equipment? Or try to cut expenses.
I don’t like Hicks, but I can’t fault him for doing the things business owners normally do in difficult times.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 9:41 AM CST
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Yep
my thoughts exactly.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
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not to avoid your question
But I don’t know what percentage of a baseball team’s revenues come from ticket sales, concessions, etc and what percentage come from guaranteed contracts for TV and radio, etc. I’m not sure that anybody, other than the owners themselves, really knows the answer to that. Wonder why that information is so closely guarded?
I’m guessing that revenue from ticket sales is a pretty small fraction of overall revenue, and that the majority of teams revenues are guaranteed. If I’m right about that, I think I have a good point.
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by tricer on
Dec 3, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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I think
the revenues that are guaranteed (profit sharing, MLB advanced media and such) make up the base of their budget. However, losing 10, 20, or 25% of your ticket sales surely has an effect on the budget. I can easily see that might keep the team from upping the payroll anymore than it was last year.
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by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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I can fault him...
Not just for past practice, but in a business sense.
True, you try to trim “the fat”, but that does not mean you necessarily just “cut expenses”. You control expenses and make sure each of those expenses is serving a true purpose.
No matter what you do, and no matter how difficult it is for “the Company and its employees”, you do NOT let that affect how the consumer feels about your product or service.
When times are tough economically, instead of everybody cowering down, it actually is the time to become more competitive for each consumer dollar. Instead of dumbing down your product or service, you make it more attractive to the consumer. When the going gets tough, market share becomes invaluable.
How do you gain market share? Take the necessary steps to ensure more people would want to give their money to you, instead of the competition.
Honestly, if the Rangers are really trying to weather the storm, there are better ways to do it than informing the public that they have nothing new or exciting to offer, because tough economic times are in full effect. To date, this model is not about market share, but about maintaining what you’ve got (much like the Rangers themselves). I believe there are at least two approaches to this that are certainly viable:
Hicks approach:
Due to economic concerns, we are not going to spend as much to improve our team for now and the future, to ensure we have enough cash on-hand for 2010-2011. In order to maintain, we might see a drop in attendance (again), and to offset that reduction in revenue, we might need to raise ticket, parking, concession, souvenir, etc. prices for the fans that will still stick with us. We must ride the storm out.
Better approach: Due to economic concerns, we understand that our fans may find it more difficult to enjoy Ranger games, so we are going to (either hold the line on tickets, concessions, parking, etc. or reduce parking, concessions, souvenirs, etc.), while we continue to build a strong foundation for the Rangers as we become more competitive. Then you make a few moves to generate a little fan excitement, even if it involves a perceived improvement with a pitcher like a couple homegrown guys who might do well for the next few years.
This will generate more market share (ie, more people willing to give their money for Rangers entertainment) than believing that there is EVEN ONE FAN who truly respects and admires some fiscal responsibility by Hicks/the Rangers.
And for those who think that dumbing down the product for one year, and that one year of cost cutting will prove valuable, they might want to study a little economic trending history.
A recession doesn’t necessarily last one year, and open up the coffers for the following years. Its impact can be felt for several years. Opening up the purse strings may not be any easier for the organization in 2010-2011, than it will be this year.
If it wasn’t for TV revenue, etc., the current approach by several small market teams would prove to be a failed business plan. They offer no hope to the consumer that their dollars are being used to the betterment of the product or EARNING their loyalty for the longterm.
Yes, the Rangers have made themselves a small market team, and this mindset is going to hurt them longterm with fan loyalty, no matter how wonderful the future looks because of all the great youngsters.
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by Chaim Witz on
Dec 3, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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So, basically
you are advocating window dressing. Genius.
Then you make a few moves to generate a little fan excitement, even if it involves a perceived improvement with a pitcher like a couple homegrown guys who might do well for the next few years.
Sounds like a great way to spin your wheels and alienate the fanbase, who will see right through what you’re doing.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 2:01 PM CST
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Anybody think it might be nice to have that extra $ 8 million+
that was spent on JJennings & Broussard last year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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Dec 3, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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I realize it doesn't fit your narrative
but the Rangers were more efficient in generating wins per payroll dollar than 20 other teams in 2008. I’m not arguing those were great signings, but losing in general is a MUCH bigger problem for the Rangers budget right now than wasteful spending. A long term plan to build a winner while not being all that in 2009 is fine with me, given the current situation.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/payroll-adjusted-dollar-per-win-figures
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 10:16 AM CST
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How does that hurt this years budget?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Dec 3, 2008 11:26 AM CST
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Does anybody really think that if the 2010
team wins 89 games around a core of youngsters that Tom Hicks will once again start spending money appropriate to this market size?
I don’t.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 11:39 AM CST
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How big a market is Arlington, TX?
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by bigsteve on
Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM CST
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How big of a market is Anaheim, Ca?
Or St. Pete, Fl, or Queens, NY?
The metro area is a huge marketplace.
I know what you’re getting at here, but the size of Arlington itself isn’t all that relevant.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 12:07 PM CST
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Well...
About 20 years ago, Arlington was the largest city in the country without mass transit. That’s actually pretty decent.
Also, during that same time frame, it was selected as one of the top cities in the country to live/grow up in.
Also, it was regarded as the fastest growing city in the nation.
Several things have changed, and not for the better.
I blame Hicks for stunting its growth. Besides all the other crap that has occurred, namely the gang/crime problem. I guess I’ll blame that on Hicks also, for no other reason than….“Just because”
Seriously, the DFW market is a very significant market, and Arlington being smack dab in the middle, makes it pretty viable.
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by Chaim Witz on
Dec 3, 2008 12:18 PM CST
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They effed up terribly by not putting that stadium in downtown Dallas, imo.
If that stadium sat where the new AA center is now with a gorgeous view of the downtown skyline as the backdrop it’d be a much easier sell to get fans out, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 1:11 PM CST
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gagree
however those who bitch and moan about wanting the Rangers to move now (not saying you) are idiots. There’s another 15 years on the lease, and it will be longer than that unless Dallas pays the entire bill for a new stadium
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by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 1:19 PM CST
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Oh, yah. There's no way they can move now or even anytime soon.
Saying it was a mistake when they did it, which apparently we agree on.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 1:38 PM CST
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It still is
the largest city in the US without public transpo
I actually wrote a paper about it in college a few years back.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 1:18 PM CST
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What they need
is a light rail that takes you from downtown Dallas and Ft Worth and drops off at the stadium. I have a lot of friends in the metroplex that are mid-20x/good jobs/extra cash/sports fans, and their biggest problem with RBiA is the distance from where they live and work. It’s not real appealing to go drink beer for 3 hours and then spend 30 minutes driving home drunk… and a $50 cab ride sucks.
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by trident on
Dec 3, 2008 1:30 PM CST
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Yah, those are all really good points
I just get worried when I see the team going back into financial lockdown mode. But I certainly don’t advocate making FA signings just for the hell of it. For all his faults, Hicks is a pretty good business man – if we can count on one thing, I think it would be his ability to retain as much capital as he can during this downturn, and I suppose this is probably all a part of that.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 3, 2008 9:38 AM CST
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LSJ...Hicks is a good business man
when it comes to buying a business and milking the existing product for everything he can.
Cuban is the superior businessman that understands how to build a business, market said business, not take customers for granted and ultimately make so much more money.
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by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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Actually,
this has been a trend since the end of the Hart era. I’m really surprised people are so amazed about Hicks and his unwillingness to spend, it’s not a new thing. The economy is just his latest excuse, there will be other excuses when the economy improves, and the beat goes on. I expect this every year.
by SanDiegoKev on
Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM CST
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To this point
I’d had confidence that Hicks would step it up financially when the time came, and was merely biding his time until the Rangers got good enough to merit the spending.
Now I’m not so sure.
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by Conjunction on
Dec 3, 2008 8:54 AM CST
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I'd be hard pressed to believe
the current Rangers are good enough to merit much spending. The offense was great, but the pitching and defense are fairly dreadful, and they aren’t going to be turned around with a FA signing or 2. Even 1 great pitcher probably doesn’t do much more than make this a mid 80 win team.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
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by DJCahill on
Dec 3, 2008 8:56 AM CST
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part of the problem
was the fact that our starting pitchers we getting blasted in the early innings. a couple front end starters could do alot to support our offense, and provide our bullpen more rest. the were too overworked last year, like every year. always playing from behind is disheartening
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on
Dec 3, 2008 9:03 AM CST
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Wait
The rangers went back and forth on a potential Laird for Bailey deal last year?
I hope that’s not right, because that seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Dec 3, 2008 8:57 AM CST
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Bailey has been terrible
I"m not sure he is more than a 4A pitcher, but at least he is a pitcher and we deal out of a position of strength.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on
Dec 3, 2008 9:00 AM CST
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He was still regarded as one of the better prospects in the game coming into '08 though
He has the talent, it’s whether or not he can realize it. I guess can see why the Rangers might have thought twice on a Laird/Bailey swap back at midseason, since Laird was fresh off his first half run and Wash didn’t seem to trust anyone else behind the plate, but it is true that’s a trade that should have got done if we had the opportunity.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 3, 2008 9:05 AM CST
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Bailey
Many have said that what would be best for him would be a change of climate. Everyone believes that if he was to go to another team, he might regain that focus again that made him a top prospect
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by Smoak Some on
Dec 3, 2008 1:06 PM CST
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That gets said about a lot of suddenly struggling former top prospects.
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 1:11 PM CST
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Sounds like a cop-out.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 3, 2008 1:12 PM CST
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How can we go from offering T. Hunter and Zito
HUGE contracts to being broke. …I used to at least be optimistic about the rangers future. Now, it is becoming harder and harder to be a rangers fan with this management and ownership.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on
Dec 3, 2008 8:59 AM CST
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Well the dow is down over 40% from its previous highs.
And it is not looking like it is going to recover quickly. The Rangers are not the only investment Hicks has.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
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by LBBRangerFan on
Dec 3, 2008 9:02 AM CST
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He needs to sell the god$&% soccer team
The crazy Brits are about ready to kill him anyway.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 3, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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Hey now
That god$&%&# soccer team is in first place!
Liverpool! Liverpool! Liverpool!
But seriously, Hicks should sell- the Rangers, the Stars, and Liverpool. I’m tired of him owning every damned team I root for.
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by RCCook on
Dec 3, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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How about a general catch-all
Fuck Soccer!
Thank you.
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by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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Agreed!
He should sell the Rangers. It makes me puke that Cuban was seriously trying to buy the Cubs, when it would have been so dreamy to have him purchase the Rangers instead.
Could you imagine Cuban as the Rangers owner?!
Not because of spending money stupidly, but his passion for building his product (team) and how free agents might want to start coming to Texas.
Could you imagine him going off on the umpire behind the plate….after EVERY pitch? That’s the only downfall to this notion.
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by Chaim Witz on
Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM CST
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Buying the Cubs
and buying the Rangers are 2 totally different things.
Besides, you know Selig won’t let him in his club so it’s pointless to think about.
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by Dirk Diggler on
Dec 3, 2008 1:20 PM CST
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Hicks must have had a lot of money in the home marketing share
And now he must be feeling the effects of his stock share in the auto industry going way down. Hes such in panic mode.
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on
Dec 3, 2008 1:07 PM CST
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/Flip Liverpool!
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
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Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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contradictory evidence
There’s lots of reporting about the Ranger’s payroll tightening, and it seems very likely that the Rangers and other teams will be conservative this offseason. But, two of the moves the Rangers have made – exercising Blalock’s option and offering arbitration to Bradley – are about $16 million in potential ‘09 commitments. Those aren’t indicative of a team in a dire financial situation.
by Randy Richardson on
Dec 3, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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But they are indicative
of a team making fairly sound decisions in those individual cases.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 9:14 AM CST
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MJH says Adair will interview for the M's pitching coach position
not the bullpen position
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/adair-unlikely-to-be-named-seattles-bull.html
hmm….
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by Dirk Diggler on
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Fuck the M's.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
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+1,000,000
Somebody needs to find me that “fuck you M’s” version of the dinosaur GIF, quick. I’m going to need it when the news that Adair has taken the job finally comes down.
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Dec 3, 2008 9:20 AM CST
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It's right on the sidebar at Lookout Landing.
Scrappy the Scapegoat #2:

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So incredibly awesome.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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Dec 3, 2008 1:12 PM CST
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Inky, you are awesome.
That is all.
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by lonestarJon on
Dec 3, 2008 9:48 PM CST
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I thought Chiti was their choice for pitching coach…?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Dec 3, 2008 9:27 AM CST
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This struck me as a really strange quote from TR
“The Rangers have had extended conversations with the Red Sox but have been told that Clay Buchholz is not available. The Red Sox have other pitching of interest to the Rangers — Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden among others — but so far the two teams have not been able to match up. That’s likely because the Red Sox want Saltalamacchia or Teagarden rather than Laird”.
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Dec 3, 2008 10:07 AM CST
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TR's article was disturbing on several levels
but this quote from JD made me wretch…
“We’re OK bringing back all four guys if it comes down to that and the right deal is not out there.”
Item one for JD should be to get Gerald Laird out of here so the players with real upside can play.
When Laird gets extended playing time and has a good year for himself, he’s still not as good as Rod Barajas.
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by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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what struck me as strange
was the implication we were only offering Laird to Boston
by thedudeabides on
Dec 3, 2008 10:16 AM CST
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We've been over this.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on
Dec 3, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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What should he say?
We’ll trade Laird for anything just so we don’t have a catcher logjam?
Seems like a negotiating stance to me.
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Dec 3, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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That particular
negotiating stance is not working.
If I know Laird is not as good as Barajas when Laird is having a good year, what do you believe all the other GMs know about him?
Laird has to be gone because if he’s on the team, Washington is going to play him over the kids with actual upside.
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by Josey Wales on
Dec 3, 2008 10:21 AM CST
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I agree Laird should go
but I think you’re overreacting to a bland quote in a bland article about a long term project.
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by t ball on
Dec 3, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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Hmm
I thought that was what this website was about in the offseason
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Dec 3, 2008 12:34 PM CST
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You make me laugh!
Laird not as good as Barajas, even when Laird is having a good year?
Surely, you jest….
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Dec 3, 2008 11:44 AM CST
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Oh I don' t mind him saying he will bring all 4 back
that IS a negotiating stance but I think the statement "[t]hat’s likely because the Red Sox want Saltalamacchia or Teagarden rather than Laird" implies that no offer including Salty has been made, which I don’t believe to be the case. I don’ t think the teams haven’t been able to match up because the Sox want Salty OR Tea, I just think they haven’t found the right deal. I think it is just poor sentence construction on TR’s part.
by thedudeabides on
Dec 3, 2008 10:24 AM CST
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too bad
This would be a great offseason in which to go bargain hunting.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on
Dec 3, 2008 10:45 AM CST
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