Tom Hicks, his money, the Texas Rangers, and everyone getting upset
Because everyone is beginning to lose it, I think a step back from the "I can't believe we have to trade my favorite player Laird for financial reasons" pouting of certain people...
There are two possibilities here: Hicks (and thus the team) are in financial trouble, or Hicks (and thus the team) are in okay financial shape. In case you haven't noticed, the economy is in bad shape, and investors - guys like Tom Hicks - have taken huge hits the last few months. So we really don't know what is going on. Lets start with the Hicks has money and is just trying to make us miserable option:
1 - Tom Hicks has money. This is a possibility, since he has supposedly left the "business." Lets assume that is true for a minute, and he survived this fall well. But is propping up a less-than-profitable Rangers team for the next coupld of years a smart business decision? Cash is very valuable right now - a savvy investor, like Tom Hicks, may be better off investing that money in something else. Remember, this is a guy who made a career out of taking over companies who are hamstrung by circumstances on their books. There are a lot of those firms right now. If Hicks has cash, isn't it a better move for him to put it into some of these better opportunities?
You could argue that the Rangers themselves present a reasonable investment opportunity - but there are three reasons why it may be smart to wait. Lets assume that the team needs to be a solid playoff contender to make money. First, barring a big investment on Hicks' part, the Rangers are not going to seriously compete next year regardless (the A's made a one-year move for 2009, and the Angels aren't rebuilding). Second, there is reason to believe that the Rangers will be competitive in the near future - why put money up now for 2010-2012 when the team should be competitive then anyway?
Finally, there is reason to believe salaries will continue to drop and be more affordable. Baseball players are assets, and like any falling asset prices, you want to wait until the bottom to buy. I don't think this last point can be overstated. Heck, even the Yankees didn't offer arbitration to guys just to avoid paying extra salary. Think they're maybe worried about not having rich Lehman Brothers and Citigroup expense accounts to fill their big new stadium? If 75% of clubs are going to be wary of spending, you'll possibly see a lot of 1 year deals by guys like Sheets and Dunn hoping things get better. These guys are still going to be asking for huge contracts this year to sign long-term (like the people still trying to sell their houses at pre-collapse prices). A year from now, the salary bubble may have popped, and the Rangers would be in an excellent position to step in.
2 - Tom Hicks doesn't have money. This too is a strong possibility. This guy was an big-time investor - do you really think he was sitting on tons of cash? Even if he was conservative and had it all in something like Berkshire Hathaway, he's hurting for money right now if he was at all leveraged. So Hicks doesn't have money? Why doesn't he sell the team? Who is going to buy it? The same applies to his soccer club (sorry, football club), and the Stars.
And if he has been taking losses, do you really expect him to dump what little cash he has into risky player contracts? MLB still has good tv contracts, and the Rangers are payroll light, so there is a chance they can turn a decent profit, especially within 2-3 years with the young players they have. It makes sense if you are cash poor to hold the reigns back a bit and wait for those years.
Anyway, I know this all sounds like I'm a Hicks apologist, but I don't think he's being treated fairly here. Basically, I think that every team in baseball is facing similar questions (most teams are owned by the type of people who have taken hits - check out Nintendo stock, for example). It makes sense regardless of ones personal situation to become more conservative in spending in this environment.
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Having all your money...
in Berkshire Hathaway wouldn’t be particularly conservative.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, not right now it wouldn't
But it has historically been a pretty reliable investment. Of course, having all your money in any one thing isn’t conservative
by JBImaknee on Dec 3, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben once told me...
…that I’m an “extremely risk-averse” investor because money portfolio is in about 80% U.S. equity index funds, and 20% foreign equity index funds.
Apparently, investors who are 100% invested in equities, but who index, are “extremely risk-averse.”
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 3, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way that you invest...
is risk averse, though characterizing it as “extremely risk-averse” is probably overstating it.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Dec 3, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its reliable
right up til the time Warren Buffet clutches his chest and hits the ground.
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by DJCahill on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that is true
and a week later I’ll be buying it on the cheap.
BRK is a very diversified “stock.” Its almost like a half-mutual fund/half-equity blend. I’d argue that it is more conservative than most single equities out there (but obviously less conservative than an index fund or a blended bond/equity fund). Certainly less risky than these guys whose wealth is tied up in a company like Google or Amazon…
by JBImaknee on Dec 3, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Even if he was conservative and had it all in something like Berkshire Hathaway"
How would having all of your money in Berkshire Hathaway be conservative?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 3, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What is this scap loading thing everybody keeps talking about?
In 50 words or less. Go.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Dec 3, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Basically it's when a pitcher brings his arm back beyond his shoulder while preparing to throw the ball.
Like so:

As for the history of scap loading in terms of LSB lore… you’re on your own. Fifty thousand words might not be enough.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Dec 3, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that picture is confusing
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Dec 3, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
An overhead shot of a lefty scap-loading.
What do you see in the image, ab03? Tell us what your mind is thinking…*
This has been an activation of the LSB Rorschach Test. If this were only a test, I wouldn’t really give a shit.
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Dec 3, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i figured it out eventually
i could tell whether it was a righty or a lefty, so which way he was throwing or at what time the frame was frozen. also, his right shoe looked like a baseball and so I was wondering why the ball was hovering on the outside of his glove
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Dec 3, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhhh
scap-ula. got it. Thanks man
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Dec 3, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By Design
I doubt it has anything to do with Hickhs not have the funds to cover operating expenses. If he was within $15-20m of not being able to cover expenses, we would be hearing about it, like we did a couple of years ago when he “defaulted” on this loans. And MLB would be very involved, as well.
As an organization, they are making a strategic decision. I personally think its the wrong decision, but they are smarter than I.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 12:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Since you asked, I'll tell you why
This year’s free agent market is Black Friday. Best Buy has a 52" Sony Bravia on sale for $1,899, but only from 5 a.m. to 11 a.m. It’s possible that the price could fall before Christmas (next year’s free agent market in baseball terms), but you’ve never seen it advertised that low before. There’s a really good chance that you’ll never see it for less than $2,100 again.
My strategy in this scenario would be to show up at 5 a.m., trample a couple of workers on the way in and get the damn TV. I think HicksCo should do the same.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does the Sony Bravia have pitcher-in-pitcher?
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by txranger7 on Dec 3, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Buy the tv?
Even if you just took a pay cut and might have to take another one next year?
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by t ball on Dec 3, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
If I was a commissioned sales rep and didn’t have a particularly good month of November, I would still buy the TV knowing that things would probably get better in a couple of months. And if the TV could somehow improve my performance and potentially make me more money in the future, then it becomes a no-brainer. Particularly if I had to buy a new TV in future anyway in order to make myself better at selling whatever I’m selling.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I fear they are missing an opportunity here, both in bargain prices for some guys out there and in a division that might be more competitive than last year. OTOH, if the cost is too high in either dollars or players in trade, I’d try to move forward in the plan without trying to do everything possible to win in 2009.
I think they’re probably better off taking a step towards contention instead of going for it. Stick with the plan unless a golden opportunity knocks.
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by t ball on Dec 3, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying spend for 09
But if you have to pay someone in 09 because you’ll get them cheaper this offseason than next offseason, then do so.
Sheets this offseason might be had for 4/$65m where a comparable player (or maybe even him) might cost you 4/$80m next offseason.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's close to defaulting on his obligations
but I also think that he may be hurting somewhat, which is why he may not want to commit himself to lots of money over the next 5 years. If his cushion is $100 million instead of $300 million, it makes sense he wouldn’t want to risk a $12 million contract for Bradley if he believed he wasn’t worth it.
For example, I’m not hurting for cash right now personally, but I’m not flush with it either. I’m not going to go out and buy your expensive TV, just because it is cheaper than normal. This is an atmosphere were it is advisable to be somewhat more prudent with what you spend on than in past years.
by JBImaknee on Dec 3, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
if you had to have a new computer at some point in the future anyway to become better at what you do and you could get it for $200 less than you will be able to get it in a couple of months, why not go ahead and save the $200 now since you’re going to have to buy it at some point anyway.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But there's no guarantee
you can get it cheaper, and what do you do if your credit is already maxed out and you can’t pay cash for that extra $300?
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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*$200
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Goes back to my initial point
I think it’s a flawed strategic move by Hicks/FO to not go bargain shopping this offseason. It’s not that the money isn’t there for another $15-20m in salaries. It’s that they don’t want to spend this offseason because they don’t feel like they’re ready to contend in 09.
I’m saying they should go ahead and spend this offseason for the 10-11 seasons because there are bargains to be had that may not be available when they are ready to add that final piece to a contending team.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But how do you know
that the money isn’t there and that these salaries are bargains?
Those are some large assumptions
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 3, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm
I’m not even going to guess at Hicks situation, and I posted my thoughts on “the Rangers’ Business Plan/Model” in another thread.
I only have two comments regarding this post:
1) While I can understand your defense of Tom Hicks the person, and his possible financial situation, I believe the “pouting” and whining you hear is more about Tom Hicks the owner, and the disappointment that has occurred with him at the helm. Except for signing A-Rod, Millwood, and even Chan Ho, the only positive is the recently rebuilt farm system and the investment he has made in that.
Whether the above mentioned FA signings were great or failed, he did get in the game, and I will give him that. However, his relatively quick abandonment of staying in that game set the Rangers back for a few years. It wasn’t the money issue necessarily, but the decisions after the money was “spent”.
Kind of like, “I bought this great car for a ridiculous amount of money, and it was the best available. Now that everybody has seen me drive it, please sell the damn thing because I could have 3 other cars for what I paid for this, even if I have to pay up to 40% of the note to the new owner. I had no idea that it would be $300 for an oil change!”
Either its bad decision making on the front end, or a lack of will, commitment, ability on to see it through on the back end. The former does not impress me as an astute businessman, and the latter is just frustrating and disingenous.
2) Who would buy the Rangers? Umm, I would love to see Cuban buy the Rangers. It seems that he was probably pretty interested in buying a more expensive Cubs team just a few weeks ago.
The only thing I have noticed during Hicks’ tenure with the Rangers is a disintegration of fan loyalty. It is apparent in the fan attendance, but in everyday conversation with other people…even casual fans, who just don’t go out to the Ballpark anymore. “It’s not as fun as it used to be.” That is what I hear most often.
I think Cuban could generate excitement again.
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by Chaim Witz on Dec 3, 2008 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2) Who would buy the Rangers? Umm, I would love to see Cuban buy the Rangers. It seems that he was probably pretty interested in buying a more expensive Cubs team just a few weeks ago.
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 3, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Cuban
would buy the Rangers. There’s a reason he was so hot and heavy for the Cubs. Plus, we all know Selig and his other cronies won’t let Cuban in their little depends-wearing club.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
All the bad press that cuban’s got over the pass couple of weeks (insider trading possibly) is going to scare off baseball owners for letting him ever buy a team right now
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 3, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Cuban said on the Ticket he wouldn't buy the Rangers even if they were on the market.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 3, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of a funny thing right now...
There might be a lot of selling off right now, but it might not be insider trading. There is always going to be an accusation of insider trading when someone sells a bunch, if not all of their holdings, right before the stock collapses, even if it was just a good/lucky decision.
I’m not a defender of Cuban, and if he broke the law, he goes down like anybody else.
Maybe the financial experts can speak to this, but isn’t there usually some real fallout when a high-profile holder (or large holder of a certain stock) sells off their shares?
Actually, I think this sounds logical, simply because other holders see this and “think” there must be something bad going to happen.
If I had the cash, I would be buying low right now, but that’s just me. I just sold some in my own Company, so that might tell you where I think that Company is heading…..but I still made a little flash cash.
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by Chaim Witz on Dec 3, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see one bad decision Tom Hicks made as owner
Hiring John Hart as GM and letting him marginalize Grady Fuson.
With ARod, Chan Ho, and Milly, Hicks was . Remember, there were many other signings as well – Caminiti, Galaragga, Van Poppel, Powell, Gonzalez, etc. That game plan, which I take as being designed by John Hart, didn’t work – frankly it was a disaster and led to an abyssmal farm system in the process. Hicks abandoning the 100 million dollar / year payroll for somethign more reasonable is understandable when that netted the team a bunch of last place finishes.
If over the past few years, JD has convinced Hicks that the ideal route for the club to take is to invest money in the draft and sign the best players for large up-front money, then it seems somewhat silly to say “Hey, why isn’t he raising payroll now to sign X”. I see nothing rational in demanding that the team spend lots of money for 2009. In fact, I see the team being cautious as being prudent and sticking to a plan, the very thing you accuse Hicks of not doing.
Add in the current financial situation, where expecting Hicks to spend money out of pocket seems slightly more unreasonable (to me at least), then it seems silly to get angry at Hicks for wanting the team to abide by a budget. We’re all annoyed the Rangers haven’t won in 9 years. Its easy to say “its because Hicks isn’t spending.” But I think that it is too easy.
As for Cuban – there is a reason his name was eliminated from the Cubs bidding. He’d be an aggravation to a conservative MLB power structure. Sure he’d probably be good for the fans, but it won’t ever happen.
by JBImaknee on Dec 3, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
this franchise would have been better if Fuson had more say. The whole Drew Meyer over Scott Kazmir thing really soured me on the genius of Fuson.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Dec 3, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I like JD more than Fuson. But the problem was having a shared power structure with no clear message.
And this comment will be posted in the “dumbest LSB quotes ever” when Drew Meyer gives his HOF induction speech…
by JBImaknee on Dec 3, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know the PCL had a HOF
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 3, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nelson cruz and jason botts
already in
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Dec 3, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's scroll up a few posts....
I never said that Hicks should spend for the sake of spending, and I’m not even advocating that he sign anybody that isn’t worth the risk or the money, in 2009, or any other year. In another post, I allude to a business model that I believe would be more beneficial for the Rangers, and I used an example of a couple of local boys in a particular scenario. I have not, before that example, ever stated that either of them should or should not be signed, but used them soley for the purpose of what I was explaining.
It’s like any other person in charge during any particular timeframe. The report card is still out on Hicks, because its still his tenure, however, every single “leader” is judged on whether 1) Is it better now than when he/she first arrived?, or 2) Would it have been worse, given all the unforeseen circumstances, if it weren’t for the leadership he/she provided….whether in organizational success or failure?
As far as Hicks’ one bad decision as owner goes (hiring Hart as GM), I believe that it was detrimental, but I would not put that on Hicks. Hart had a track record before he came to Texas, and I don’t know if any of us envisioned he would do when he got here.
I have never blamed Hicks for missing on Hart, but that bad decision was compounded by keeping him around (paying him) as an advisor after his services were no longer needed/desired.
What is your take on the A-Rod signing? Was it a good move to sign him to the enormous contract? Was it a good move to move him to the Yankees after signing him based on what we received in return and paying the Yankees for part of his salary after shipping him off?
I have my opinions on this, but would be curious to know if you didn’t feel that Hicks made a mistake on either end of that deal. Not to debate it necessarily, but to understand what your definition of a mistake is.
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by Chaim Witz on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the ARod deal was smart at the time
He’s the best player in a generation, and Hicks got him to Texas. Obviously if he didn’t need to overpay that was dumb, but I undersatnd what he was getting at.
And I was against trading him, but I can understand the motivation – if you are shifting the team’s strategy, then you unload your big contracts and try something new.
I think the mistake was Soriano. Not that acquiring him in the first place was a bad move (they had to get someone premier for ARod), but they probably should have flipped him immediately rather than letting the “we need to trade Sori” thing hang over the team’s head for so long. I think the fact that Soriano ended up being Wilkerson makes the original ARod deal look far worse.
by JBImaknee on Dec 4, 2008 2:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
We are in complete agreement on the A-Rod situation. Everything you just posted is exactly how I feel about it. In fact, I had to look at who posted it, because I thought I might have posted it in my sleep. ;-)
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
by Chaim Witz on Dec 4, 2008 3:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate John Hart
and of course the Red Sox and the Players Union
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 4, 2008 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quantity
does not equal quality. Can you be more concise?
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by t ball on Dec 3, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this was directed towards me....
Quantity does not equal quality. Agreed!
Can you be more concise? Sometimes
Not attempting to bore or offend anybody, but instead of just posting something that I will have to reply to numerous times about “Chaim, why do you feel that way or where do you draw your conclusions from”, I sometimes get carried away with explaining the opinion with the supporting data/reasoning in the same post.
I’ll work on it.
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by Chaim Witz on Dec 3, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Three Reasons why Cuban was hot and heavy for the Cubs:
1) Cubs have a rabid, loyal fan base
2) Cubs have a storied history, and he could bring them back to prominence
3) Hicks would not sell the Rangers
Hicks still won’t sell the Rangers, especially if it meant that some other owner came in and restored faith in the fan base at the same time the youngsters might start flowing into the big leagues.
If I was Hicks, I wouldn’t want to sell now either. That is not the legacy I want to leave behind. Plus, the Rangers are an investment for him, so he would not be maximizing his profitability by selling right now.
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
by Chaim Witz on Dec 3, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't discount the fact
that Hicks lost a ton of money on the whole Glory Park debacle.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 3, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
I suppose that’s better than losing money on the Glory Hole debacle…
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Dec 3, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glory Holes
recession proof.
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by t ball on Dec 3, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not defending Hicks
but if I’m not mistaken, he has that massive bridge loan that’s going to be called in the next few months,….the one he used to buy Liverpool, or whatever he did with it. Anyone know how much that sucker was for?
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Dec 3, 2008 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hicks' loan
It was around 350 million pounds- or just under 517 million dollars. IIRC, Hicks and George Gillette are equally on the hook for that one, so it’s around $258 million apiece.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Dec 3, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot
of shuckles right there…..
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Dec 3, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's me in row 5 section 18
with the platinum blonde at my side. She left me for a rich drunk who liked to listen to NASCAR races on the radio. I wish I could remember her name. I heard she got fat.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
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