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OT: Cowboys coaches

Jerry Jones completely missed the boat when it came to retaining coaches that Parcells brought in.  Jerry brought in Parcells, b/c he was a 'football guy' and a great talent evaluator-- for both players and coaches.   Jerry needs another 'football guy' in the mold of a Jimmy Johnson, and Bill Parcells.

Jason Garrett was granted permission to talk to the Lions about their head coaching opportunity, and an ESPN report mentions Cowher interested in talking to the Jets.  How does Jerry not let Jason walk, fire Wade, and give the reins to Cowher? 

The window is now for this group of players, if Jerry screws this up, we are looking at another 10 years of misery.

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I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 30, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

What?

We can’t talk Cowboys over here?

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 30, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Just seems like

This would have sufficed as a comment in one of the other threads.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 30, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Worst site ever.

I'm Ed Werner, but with real secret sources...

by miles on Dec 30, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually BTB is getting popular now

That was my main prior complaint when I looked over there, they tended to be pretty dead..

The other problem is I dont KNOW anybody over there, LOL,

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

there is no Rangers news. If you don’t want to talk Cowboys, don’t click on the fanpost. Are you that much of a tool?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get your panties in an uproar

There’s nothing in this fan post that couldn’t be limited to a comment in your thread. There’s nothing wrong with some OT discussion this time of year, but turning the fan posts section into a Cowboys board is rather obnoxious. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone on this either. Maybe you could write us a sequel to one of your classic Fan Posts about laundry or Swayze? Tool.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 30, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Me get my panties in an uproar?

You just called me a tool. You’re the one that started linking to other sites because you didn’t want Cowboys talk on the precious Rangers-only blog…Anyways, the only panties I have are the ones your mom left scrunched up by the side of my bed last night.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

x

Did you even read what I said? I said there was nothing wrong with some OT talk, but considering there’s already a Cowboys thread this seemed redundant. I’m pretty sure you started the name calling first, and it’s not my fault if your reading comprehension skills are so low you can’t tell I was being facetious. The panties line is from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you should check it out. If you’re trying to get my blood boiling you’re going to have to come up with something more original than a “Your Mom” comment. Tool.

All I did was link him to a Cowboys blog….

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 30, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha you think the panty joke was invented

from some stupid tv show that is 5 years old? No, try again though. Having a total of two cowboys threads isn’t redundant at all. Tool in italics? Wow! Get over yourself, you aren’t that cool.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2 topics on the same topic is redundant

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jayslick

go complain about something else.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

im just giving the facts on the term

redundant

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 31, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pkb

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pkb?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 31, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i am new to lonestar

but i think it is funny how agitated some people get over some people’s “posts”!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I immediately like mrichardson70.

I’ve been on LSB for a while, and while I can understand why some people could get a little annoyed with some things, most of the time stuff like this gets blown WAY out of proportion.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Dec 30, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I want to be your brother too

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well you're already quoting him

aren’t you?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 30, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Cower

would even consider coaching the Cowboys. Why would he want to work for Jerry?

However, if he would then by all means fire the entire coching staff and start over with him.

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 30, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jerry would have to agree to loosen the reins

The crux of my point is that this is a key time for Jerry.. if he doesn’t realize he needs to take a step back now, we are looking at the Campo era all over again. The ship was righted when Parcells came in, cleaned up the coaching staff and fixed the draft.

Jerry is setting himself up to be the next Al Davis.

by mattrpav on Dec 30, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

just not sure it’s realistic…the whole Jerry taking a step back thing…

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 30, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hardly

Al Davis would’ve fired Wade midway through the season.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 30, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno if i woulda disagreed there either.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I know

but Davis woulda fired Wade and given the TE coach the job or something like that.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 30, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well put

or hired tom landry’s grand kid even though he is 12

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 31, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

or at halftime of thep hilly game

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 31, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its the top job in pro football on earth

but otherwise…

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, without question

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 2, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We are looking at some form of Jerry related misery

until he is incapacitated. It’s kind of morbid to talk about, but the earliest that the Cowboys have a hope of being properly run is when he is sick or dead. And then there is certainly no telling what his boys will do.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 30, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

huh?

so, you’re saying the team wasn’t properly run when Jimmy was here or when BP was here?

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think..

..he’s saying that he has zero confidence that Jerry will ever do that again.

And I agree.

by jthig32 on Dec 30, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why?

because he already proved that by doing it twice…

oookay.

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because rumor had it

Jerry was afraid he wouldn’t have enough voter support for a new stadium if he had a puppet coach.

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

makes sense … he’s a business …. man ….

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So..

..then why did he hire Wade and take back control? When do you expect him to give back control again?

by jthig32 on Dec 30, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My guess

is when the team spirals downwards and Jerry feels a real threat to sell-out the stadium. Until then we’re going to see the Jerry from 10-15 years ago whose motivation is to rebuild his way.

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

chad hutchinson

Maybe he can search out pitchers in the minors to be our starting QB again too!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

david pasiano has a cannon arm i hear lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 31, 2008 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that

I think Jerry made the proper decisions in hiring Jimmy and Parcells, but I ask you, was the team properly run when Jerry ran off both Jimmy and Parcells?

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 30, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time believing Jerry ran off Parcells.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Jimmy had one foot out the door already

and was eying the Jacksonville franchise.

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

jimmy doesnt want crap to do with jacksonville

its nowhere near south florida, it might as well be georgia or alabama

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not,

but it seems odd that he would just up and quit when his team was on the brink of greatness.

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 30, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i could see it.

wouldnt be the first time.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Properly run"

I guess like the 20 worse franchises in the NFL?

Maybe like for example, the Texans?

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Schaub / Slaton

= STFU

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

johnson > schaub

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 31, 2008 1:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He really is the next Al Davis

I hate that guy so much. I can’t cheer for the Cowboys until he’s gone.

by JBImaknee on Dec 30, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You can say the same thing regarding Tom Hicks

and the Texas Rangers.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Dec 31, 2008 5:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28435021/

Cowher won’t interview with the Jets because he wants his own personnel guy running the show — so I’d think that eliminates him as a possible candidate here (looks like all the speculation might have been right…)

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 30, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tell me how to fix the Cowboys

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

keep

felix and marion healthy is a good start. Protecting Romo is also key!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not i'm just trying to figure it out

because you seem to have every answer.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

where did i say i have every answer?

by not panicking, firing everyone, blaming Jerry for everything…

is that what you are referring to?

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

retainers

Funny thing about the Parcells deal.

When you work with companies you usually sign a non-compete waiver.

I am sure that Parcells would not do this with Jerry.

The problem I have with that is that Jerry should never bring in ANY coach who doesnt do exactly what the team wants. Parcells is looking more and more like a genius everyday! Now that Wayne Huiezenga is about to sell the Dolphins Parcells has an out clause in his contract. So he gets to walk and the new ownership still owes him 12mil. Awesome!

Parcells is essentially a hired gun. What 5 teams in about 10 years! A lot of sucess but dont get to comfortable with him if he is in your town.

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He sets the foundation.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Foundation...

yeah.. i hear you..

yeah.. i hear you..so with the exception of the Patriots, the Giants, Jets and Cowboys did they win a Super Bowl after Bill Parcells packed up camp (and his coaches/players) and moved onto another town?

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

correct to Foundation:

yeah.. i hear you..so with the exception of the Patriots. The Giants, Jets and Cowboys did they win a Super Bowl after Bill Parcells packed up camp (and his coaches/players) and moved onto another town?

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All the coaches that replaced Parcells

were terrible, Wade, Al Groh, Pete Carroll and Ray Handley.

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jets still haven't got their QB.

The Cowboys may still, because they have their QB.. Bellichick didn’t win until he got a quarterback, neither did Bill Cowher. Chad Pennington’s injury really hurt the Jets, set them back a couple of years.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

qb's

i hear you on the qb.. but i thought Phil Simms was a good qb not a great qb. Parcells hasnt won since right? The jury is still out on Romo? I do think that Parcells is the best at getting talent out of castaway players!

I am curious as to what the Boys do with T.O.

Is Roy Williams the answer?

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, a great defense and a good qb can get it done.

Roy Williams is good enough. He’s not great, but he’s good enough to where we can cut T.O. and survive.. Between Roy, Felix, Martellus, and Witten we would still have a ton of talent in the passing game. Im not counting on T.O. being gone though.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett

I think your mentioning Bennett is right on! He looks like he can be a monster! Felix and Barber in the backfield. Williams, Witten and Bennett. Maybe add another WR in the draft. We need OL and a safety to help out the other Roy Williams!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i thought one of the cowboys big problems the last month

was refusing to admit whitten was hurt and give him a couple games off and just bite the bullet and put bennett in as the #1 till he was healthy. whitten looked hurt. he wasnt right, and i actually found myself with enough confidence in Bennet that i woulda just let whitten heal.

i like bennett a bunch.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it wasn't for Desmond Howard

Parcells would have his SB ring with the Pats.

To answer your question, TO will be back Grumble and Williams is the answer, but with this current staff I see him regressing next year. The minute they slip or Romo throws an int they’re going to get ripped by the fans/media

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peter King SI

said this morning that you have to bite the bullet and drop T.O. right now. That it doesnt matter what Salary Cap impact it has. That the team is so divided right now that the Cowboys cannot afford to have Romo second guessing himself if he doesnt throw to T.O. or has an incomplete pass. The Cowboys are such a mess. It is like watching a really bad reality show. I cannot see how Wade Phillips can turn this team around and get everyone on the same sheet of music!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I call BS on that

I’m not gonna say that Romo has sucked because he was trying to appease Owens. The real reason we lost is because Garrett’s playcalling sucked and Romo turned the ball over so much.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd

he said “romo cannot afford to secon guess himself”.

I looked at the body language during and after the last few games.

To me (my opinion) the relationship between Witten and Owens looked strained. I think that could possibly be because Witten has never had any negativity linked to him in his professional career. What I saw between Romo and Owens was professionalism. I think that Cowboys are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

We’ll see!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd

Apologies: the comments by Peter King were heard on Colin’s radio show this morning!

Sorry!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Look at the past teams Owens has been on, each time the locker room was divided with players taking sides. He’s been vocal about getting more throws and caused a rift with his QB.

Irvin was on an interview a few weeks back (During the Witten/Owens incident) and said “If you’re a receiver and the ball is 30 yards overthrown you’re telling the QB ‘Sorry, my fault. I should have remembered your arm is that good’, if the ball is thrown at you feet then tell him ‘My fault. I should have been at that spot’”. His point was that you never give your QB a reason to have doubt when he goes to throw.

Irvin also noted that he never complained about Aikman and wasn’t sure why Owens was publicly willing to question Romo’s decision-making.

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

funny things is

If we don’t lose to the Rams and Arizona. Romo doesn’t break his pinkie! Brad Johnson wasnt retained this year! We finish off the Steelers like we should have and then the Cowboys are 14-2 and have home field throughout the playoffs and Romo, Owens and Wittens are vacationing in Hawaii this off season (again)!

Ha ha!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Michael Irvin

Irvin also noted that he never complained about Aikman and wasn’t sure why Owens was publicly willing to question Romo’s decision-making

when you need him

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

divided locker room

got philly to the SB, i think i’d take that at this point.

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Owens

but he is not the problem. He is like the annoying flies and ants at a picnic. Cutting TO doesn’t do anything but hurt the Cowboys.

Romo is the one who has to figure this out. The entire team was counting on him and he didn’t deliver

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Dec 30, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and his postgame interview

made it look like he didnt give a shit.

“im getting paid, i dont care”

irvin and nate ripped romo like a fresh asshole yesterday it was great.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Romo was counting on his offensive line to block

and his defense to get stops.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Eagles

put up 44 points on this team. Romo could have thrown 4 TDs with no turnovers and the Eagles still end up winning.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 30, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wrong

do you remember what score we beat the Eagles by the first time>??

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Romo had 3 TDs in that game FWIW.

And the Eagles scored 44 points through 3 quarters. They didn’t even try for an entire quarter and they still nearly put up 50 points on this team.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 30, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't at least 17 of those points a DIRECT result of turnovers?

Seems like the “no turnovers” scenario would have the Eagles scoring 27.

by bking on Dec 31, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cowboys offense had 4 TOs

an interception and 3 fumbles. Philly scored a TD and a FG on the drives following those. PacMan fumbled one that gave up 3 points, but I don’t see 17 points as directly related.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 31, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well they did have 2 fumbles recovered for touchdowns.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 31, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

You don’t think fumble returns for touchdowns are on the offense?

Nah, noob.

by Brian Thomas on Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PK doesnt know crap

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Miami kinda sucks

they’re the kind of boring team pundits are always talking those stupod boring cliches “doesnt’ beat themselves”. Yeah cus those team always suck.

It’s funny, it was being discussed that it was surprising to see Indy favored only 1 at SD. Well, if it was Indy at Miami, they’d be favored by about 20. I bet.

They have Carolina’s old OC, Henning I thin’s his name. He was decent to good in Carolina, I’m sure he has a good DC now too, but he’s pretty old IIRC. I wouldn’t expect that much out of Miami in the future.

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Indy does beat themselves

And they’ll also throw for 400 yards, 6 TD’s and beat your ass sometimes too.

Indy type teams>>>Miami type teams.

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, just like the Saints right?

That worked out well for Sean Payton.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap!!! i agree with sharky!!

Miami sucks, the NFL is all about lack of schedule balance. with the salary cap and the weighted schedules, the league basically selects the teams most likely to make playoffs before the season ever starts.

the league is set up for any team no matter what to be 8-8:
cap: 8-8
schedule weight: +- 1 or 2 wins
a good/bad coach +- 2 wins
a good/bad qb +- 2 or 3 wins

its why Miami isnt any real surprise and detriot losing 16 is unthinkable.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

Really tired of this Parcells crap.

Funny, you all hated him when he was here, and the team was pretty damn mediocre. Stop with the revisionist history.

As I wrote in another post, the amount of credit Parcells is getting for Miami’s turnaround is ludicrous. As I understand it he doesnt even have much to do with the team.

How many players did he draft and bring in in Miami to turn it around in ONE YEAR? Give me a break. Especially considering I doubt he even had much input into ANYTHING with the Dolphins this year (a nice little fact the media will ignore)

But let me tell you what did change..the coaches, and both coordinators, as ALWAYS happens in these turnarounds from 4-12 to 11-5 in one season, such as also Atlanta this year.

If it was talent, why do you NEVER see such turnarounds with the same coaching staff both years?

That is indisputable proof, talent means nothing and it’s all about the coordinators, GET REAL if you think otherwise.

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Now on to Dallas..

I think Jerry made the right move keeping Wade+Garrett (assuming Garrett stays).

They deserve another year. If they fail then, fine, fire them. I could write a lot more on this, but that sums it up.

You know I was thinking, just TWO weeks ago (after the string of wins over patsies, near win over Pitt, and Giants win), media and the people like Bill Simmons were calling us “the team nobody wants to face in the playoffs”.

It’s doubtful we turned into the worst team in football in two weeks. Just keep it in mind.

If I blame Wade for on thing, it’s his slow reaction to Brad J’s terrible play..but then again even that could probably be rationalized.

The guy who really needs to be fired is Brian Stewart, regardless how much he’s allowed to touch the defense anymore it scares me to even have him around. And isn’t it funny that like the awful Rangers 4A player that nobody demands to be traded, HES the one with impeccable job security and no fan backlash. Very poor job on the DFW fans/media.

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm done with Stewart

The fact that Wade significantly improved the defense after taking over is proof that Stewart is useless and should have never been hired. The guy doesn’t have a fucking clue.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Check that

I blame Wade for at least one other major thing..Brian Stewart..

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"If I got a gun I got one bullet in it, I shoot T.O. right now. Right on the spot. I have a press conference my first day they hire me, I have him come, I put a bullet right there sitting in him." – Cris Carter

and in a different interview…

"I’d take one bullet and put it right in him. BAM!" – Cris Carter

Good to see the type of people ESPN employs…

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 12:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

ESPN’s out to get the Cowboys.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Dec 30, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

check that

they got the cowboys.

i really blame a bunch of this confict that ruined the season on ESPN

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 30, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no way

espn doesn’t go out of their way to drum up controversy, not with the people they employ, i don’t believe it!

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, you guys really have a persecution complex.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Dec 31, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are those real quotes?

If so, Carter is an idiot.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah those are real

go check out awful announcing they had a story up on it

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 30, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

awful

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 30, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lemm post miles opinions in here

Hmm, he’ll go with the dumb crowd/masses in every case so..

Parcells is a genius

Philips sucks and is the worst coach ever

Garrett sucks and is the worst OC ever

Etc.

Just dont bother miles, just make some kind of public opinion poll regurtitating thing for your sports posts..

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why is Jerry not a good GM?

It is funny how Jerry gets ZERO credit for being a football guy. He played college football, he has 3 super bowl rings, he has been in the NFL for 20 years, and I doubt there is another GM in the league that has a better understanding of the cap. I guess all the other NFL gm’s were born to be gm’s. If not how did they get experience? Also I guess every team that does not win the super bowl every year should fire their gm, since he did not get his ultimate goal accomplished. There should be 31 gm’s out of work every year. Or let’s take it down to a smaller less sarcastic example. The Giants are the only returning team in the playoffs out of the NFC this year. So that means every team that did not make it had a playoff team last year and under achieved. I hat eht eargument that Jerry is not a good GM just because he does not do it like everyone else. To that I say thank you JERRY.

by Ranger Capt on Dec 30, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Two quick corrections/comments

1) Jerry got all 3 of those rings with the team that he & JJ built. It is debatable how much credit he deserves for that building job, but it ISN’T debatable that he hasn’t been back to the SB, nor even close to it, since JJ left.
2) Everything I have read/heard says that Steven is the cap wizard, not Jerry.

by bking on Dec 30, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have read that it is Stephen's specialty, IIRC.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 here

stephen = best in NFL @ cap

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 31, 2008 1:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys realize the Cowboys aren't in the market for a coach, right?

There is no coaching position open. All spots are filled. Texas Stadium doesn’t have a “help wanted” sign in the window. Nobody’s been fired so no one’s getting hired.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 30, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Detroit can still do us a favor.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a heart and leadership problem...

That is what it is. Wade doesn’t suck, but we’d like him more if he was ripping ass after every bad game. Why do we like folks like Cowher, Parcells, Jimmy, etc.? Because they seem intense and serious about what they do. They have no problem showing their ass/emotions and playing to the fans emotions. They keep the image that they are on the same page with the fans, but it is image.

Remember Jimmy cutting the RB who fumbled the ball during one game, at a critical point. Now, the guy wasn’t the future of the franchise, but the cut played to the upset fans emotions AND sent a message that he wouldn’t be tolerant of mistakes. Cute idea, but not exactly an impressive move. Remember Parcells calling Terry Glenn “she”? That could be used as a motivational tool, but doing that it public was Parcells playing to the fans, and showing that he was pissed Glenn wasn’t playing through his injury and/or playing soft. Not horrible, but a poor way to address a players situation out in the media. Bill always left himself an out, so that he could always be considered “his own man dealing with the stupid decisions of others, but making it better than anybody else could under the circumstances” type of coach. By his silence on some topics, everybody believed he didn’t say anything because he didn’t agree with decisions. Honestly, his silence bought him some favor with the fandom, because they assumed he was making the best of a bad situation. Cowher played to the fans with his intensity on the sidelines and during press conferences. It didn’t result in his team playing better.

Back on topic a bit. What is Big Bill’s legacy with Dallas? Nothing, except keeping Romo on the roster during those years AND changing the defense to the 3-4. He alienated his players, and if you are in fact one of those who succumbs to revisionist history, then please don’t go back to all the player quotes after his departure. I don’t believe any one of them felt they would miss him or be worse off, with the exception of Witten, who never said anything truly negative about Bill, but often alluded to it.

When I say it’s a heart and leadership problem, it’s is not to be cliche’, and it isn’t necessarily aimed at the coaches, even if some of them aren’t as effective as they could/should be. I look at the team, the players.

Anybody who heard or saw Romo’s interview after the game, should never have to ask if Romo has the verbal leadership skills to inspire his team. HE DOESN’T. He may be able to inspire his teammates with his play, but his arrogant attitude after the Philly game does not inspire anybody to want to follow this guy’s lead. He is not Brett Favre, and using Brett Favre as a comparison/excuse for his turnover ability will not cut it. Favre’s teammates never doubted that he was in it to win it. Remember, Favre turned no-named receivers into studs. We have Romo turning extremely talented receivers into after-thoughts.

I like Romo, and think he has the potential to be great, but he isn’t inspiring his teammates. If a crappy season wasn’t enough, his answers after the Philly game do not make it sound like he is “in it to win it”, and will create doubt in his attitude as much as the ridiculous timing of his turnovers create doubt in his ability.

Owens is a guy I’ve hated forever. Owens is also a guy who needs to keep his mouth shut at times, but not all the time. The thing about Owens is that if you can see through his selfishness in his comments, you can understand he is competitive and wants to win. Losing doesn’t sit well with him (either does not getting respect or passes lol). I’ll take Owens heart over that of Romo. Romo has talent and likes to compete, but is he doing everything he can to prepare to compete? He took a step or two back in his superhero status this year, but if he can dedicate himself again, all the other pieces can fall into place.

I regards to Wade and whether his team is fired up/motivated/cared, etc, I don’t think he has a problem with the players coming to play, except for one of the two players who touch the ball on every offensive snap. And I’m talking about the one Parcells left behind as his legacy in Dallas.

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Dec 30, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Loves the lifestyle but hates the work

I remember using this line to describe Erik Williams, you could make an argument that it fits many of the current players.

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Dec 30, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. He killed a hall of fame career with stupidity.

Pre-wreck, he might have been one of the best offensive tackles to ever play the game.

by Athos on Dec 30, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

tldr

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Summation of the current state of affairs.

I think this article is a pretty accurate assessment of the Cowboys as they currently stand. I’m in agreement that we shouldn’t expect a sea change in attitude, focus, or fire in the next year.

by Athos on Dec 30, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about Mike Shanahan?

I just heard he got canned.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 30, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

SHANAHAN

wouldnt that be a nice change of pace!

by mrichardson70 on Dec 30, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

I think Shanahan is one of those guys who constantly runs a good offensive system (like Gruden, Reid), so his teams are always decent to good, however he seemed stuck in a 8-8 9-7 rut for a long time..not sure I’d be all that excited over him..

Course 9-7, 10-6 seems a lot more succesful when you’re on national TV every week like Dallas instead of forgotten in Denver though..

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking up a little more on Shanahan..

He has won two SB’s in 14 years there, so I guess it’s hard to accuse him of topping out..then again, it says he has one playoff win since Elway retired in 99.

It’s not surprising Denver’s problems get back to defense, I’m sure Shanahans offense was solid

The Broncos’ defense gave up 448 points, third worst in the NFL, including 112 during the three-game collapse at the end. It was ranked 29th in yards allowed and tied for last in the NFL with a minus-17 turnover margin.

In years past, Shanahan had relieved defensive coordinators – Greg Robinson, Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer and Jim Bates – in almost revolving-door fashion.

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Won't happen.

But I’d love to see it just to see this line run a zone blocking scheme.

If you thought the Philly game was hilarious…

by LiamP on Dec 30, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now this will be a whole new fanpost

“Should the Cowboys hire Shanahan?”

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 30, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Cowher could come here

Because we are the biggest stage in football.

Might be a shocker..

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 8:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As far as a Garrett criticism though..

When you saw guys running free at Romo, and it was interesting he addressed this post game, thats scheme. Thats on Garrett. NOTHING to do with the offensive line play (or at least, relatively little during an entire game).

So yeah, that was a big red flag I noticed early in the game. You all hate Garrett now, but I dont think any of you picked up on that, something he should actually be rightfully blamed for.

If you want to look at a few things that show a good OC, look at lots of recievers coming free OVER THE MIDDLE with crossing patterns (Garett excels here for the most part) (poor OC’s will nibble at the outside of the field). Look at a solid running game and good situational calls (Garrett er, could use some work here 3rd and 1 passing, 2nd and 1 run every time, ugh), and look for good QB PROTECTION (been inconsistent I guess).

If you see no QB protection, the OC isnt doing his job, period..

I see signs the league may be catching up to Garrett, he was awful in the Philly game, he hasnt sprung our talented receivers this year bottom line..but he’s also done a lot of good work and deserves another year imo..

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2008 8:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

1st and 10 throwing ... ugh.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Dec 30, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Martz

i would sign him tomorrow.

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you don't hire.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m going to guess you’re not too familiar with him..

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe I just prefer the style of football the Giants play right now?

Who knows though.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 30, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fire Jason Garrett

that’s the only change that NEEDS to be made… but I would be interested in Shanahan replacing Wade.

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Dec 30, 2008 11:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How do you guys not see the fact that either Wade and/or Garrett

need to be canned at this point. The media will absolutely eat us alive if we keep the same staff. You will be hearing it non stop as bad as T.O.’s media coverage you can guarantee that. Not only will it effect the media but the players will be replaying this season in their head next season.

Sometimes you need change for the sake of change. This would be a great example. I have 0 confidence in this team for next year regardless of additions if they keep a similar staff.

by slimshadty12 on Dec 31, 2008 12:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i would be quite happy with martz going into next year

attempt to recreate the greatest show on turf with TO/roy williams/witten/bennett/crayton/austin + i think that barber could do a pretty damn good faulk impression

im all for it. keep wade and instead of fireing garrett, just let him go to the lions. then he gets exposed. win-win

im very ok w/ a wade/anyone DC\martz OC grouping

would bring fans to jerryworld
the cowboys would score a TON
they have the players in place on offense
romo needs to man up.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 31, 2008 1:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sure

We could do all that.

Or we could stop letting the ushers run the prom, and realize that there are no problems this offense has that couldn’t be nearly eliminated with a healthy, better offensive line.

I really don’t understand this Garrett line of thinking. If you’re just hoping the Lions save us, then why not fire him right now? This is a supposedly proud franchise, and it’s pretty sickening hearing people hoping that this guy or that team solves our problems for us. Time to be fucking proactive.

by brettgardner on Dec 31, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

proactive?

instead of reactive?

if you arent reactive to that locker room in its current state it will continue to turn on itself.

if they dont react you could be looking at a total collapse. ive seen teams with the best talent in the league turn in dead last results due to lack of the team being on the same page.

i see no reason this team will unify under a coaching staff that is in any way remotely close to its current state

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

God, why?

Next year, knock on wood, we’ll have a healthy Barber, a healthy Felix and Choice. Combine that with an O-line that can be dominant in the run block (and suspect during pass blocking), and you have the basis for one of the strongest running games in the NFL.

by LiamP on Dec 31, 2008 1:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

I didn’t mean that the line is poor at pass blocking, because they’re really not (when they’re all healthy). I just mean they can look shaky at pass blocking at times (Deaf Flo in particular).

by LiamP on Dec 31, 2008 1:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They clearly have to fire

their OC and DC. Since those are the only things that matter on a team.

Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.

"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky

by DJCahill on Jan 1, 2009 3:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If nothing else, the DC.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 1, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing at a time.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Jan 1, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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