Newberg 72 discussion
by Brett Perryman on Dec 31, 2008 4:01 PM CST
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Taken from his latest submission. If anyone feels the need to ask Jamey a bunch of questions they should just purchase the book instead. There is a lot here that I think is interesting.
Jamey, let me know if you'd prefer not to just have this copied with some of the notes or if you'd prefer that it be represented differently.
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1. Derek Holland, LHP |
37. Zach Phillips, LHP |
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2. Neftali Feliz, RHP |
38. Johnny Whittleman, 3B |
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3. Justin Smoak, 1B |
39. Manny Pina, C |
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4. Michael Main, RHP |
40. Tomas Telis, C |
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5. Elvis Andrus, SS |
41. Jared Hyatt, RHP |
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6. Taylor Teagarden, C |
42. Joseph Ortiz, LHP |
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7. Martin Perez, LHP |
43. Jake Brigham, RHP |
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8. Max Ramirez, C |
44. Geuris Grullon, LHP |
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9. Engel Beltre, OF |
45. Joaquin Arias, IF |
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10. Blake Beavan, RHP |
46. Chad Tracy, 1B-OF |
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11. Julio Borbon, OF |
47. Andrew Laughter, RHP |
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12. Neil Ramirez, RHP |
48. Mark Hamburger, RHP |
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13. Wilfredo Boscan, RHP |
49. Mike Ballard, LHP |
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14. Eric Hurley, RHP |
50. Mike Bianucci, OF |
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15. Kasey Kiker, LHP |
51. Kyle Ocampo, RHP |
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16. Wilmer Font, RHP |
52. Tim Smith, OF |
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17. Omar Poveda, RHP |
53. Jose Felix, C |
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18. Jose Vallejo, IF |
54. Brennan Garr, RHP |
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19. Tommy Hunter, RHP |
55. Matt West, 3B |
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20. Joe Wieland, RHP |
56. Joey Butler, OF |
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21. Mitch Moreland, 1B-OF-LHP |
57. Evan Reed, RHP |
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22. Tim Murphy, LHP |
58. Leonel De Los Santos, C |
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23. Kennil Gomez, RHP |
59. Glenn Swanson, LHP |
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24. Robbie Ross, LHP |
60. Miguel De Los Santos, LHP |
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25. Doug Mathis, RHP |
61. Ben Harrison, OF |
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26. Fabio Castillo, RHP |
62. Richard Bleier, LHP |
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27. Cristian Santana, OF |
63. Josh Lueke, RHP |
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28. Carlos Pimentel, RHP |
64. Ian Gac, 1B |
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29. Clark Murphy, 1B |
65. Steve Murphy, OF |
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30. Thomas Diamond, RHP |
66. David Paisano, OF |
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31. John Mayberry Jr., OF |
67. Michael Schlact, RHP |
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32. Marcus Lemon, 2B |
68. Emerson Frostad, C-IF |
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33. Renny Osuna, IF |
69. Juan Polanco, OF |
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34. Beau Jones, LHP |
70. Jared Bolden, OF-1B |
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35. John Bannister, RHP |
71. Tanner Roark, RHP |
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36. Corey Young, LHP |
72. Reinier Bermudez, RHP |
Some of Jamey's pertinent notes:
Only players who still have rookie eligibility were considered, which is why Chris Davis, Matt Harrison, and Warner Madrigal, for example, don't show up.
Free agents at the time I went to print (examples: A.J. Murray, Brian Gordon, Bill White, and Kendy Batista) were not considered. Neither were Pedro Strop or Greg Golson or Guillermo Moscoso or Carlos Melo, each of whom was acquired too late to include in the book's rankings. (Similarly, John Mayberry Jr. shows up on the list.)
To me, the first tier of this group goes seven deep.
And the most interesting part of the discussion to me:
The biggest jumps from my Top 72 a year ago are Martin Perez (from 55 to 7), Derek Holland (40 to 1), and Wilfredo Boscan (39 to 13), three pitchers who didn't appear on BA's top 30 list or anyone else's list this time last year. Who could make that dramatic a leap in 2009, moving from column two to the top half of column one?
Tough to predict, of course, since not an inning has been played since I decided to put the column two players in column two, but let's go with Richard Bleier, Tomas Telis, Mike Bianucci, and Tim Smith, plus two righthanders who weren't on my list at all - Melo (who was acquired in the Gerald Laird trade but probably would have landed somewhere in the late 30's for me) and Matt Thompson, the 2008 seventh-rounder whose 8.1-inning introduction to pro ball (11.88 ERA, .481 opponents' average, seven wild pitches) was rough but whose upside began to show itself at Fall Instructs.
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One Question For Jamey
I purchased a copy, love it.
You say the first tier goes seven deep. Does this mean that you think that each of the top 7 players has what it takes to be quality and/or great major league ballplayers?
Also, Jamey, If you could please gesstimate what you think the pitching staffs for each affiliate will be to start this year, and any jumps you expect to see?
Finally, where to you see Smoak going this year? IF we trade Blalock at the deadline, could you see a call up for Smoak and Davis moving to DH?
Thanks, and everyone else feel free to chime right in!
Its time...
by PM Productions on Dec 31, 2008 4:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i've got 09 roster predictions at my blog
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Dec 31, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To try to answer your question
I’d say yes, and I guess if you had to grade them, Jamey’s saying all 7 would probably be in the same close elite range…say B+ to A-.
by slimshadty12 on Dec 31, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for buying the book.
1. I think the depth of potential quality big leaguers goes far deeper. I just think the top 7 are in a certain class above the rest.
2. Smoak will start out at BAK, I’m guessing. He won’t be there by the Break, though. Will he reach Arlington in 09? Only pre-September, I’d bet. If they think he can help the team contend during the summer, maybe. If it would be just a “reward” thing when rosters expand, I doubt it.
by Jamey Newberg on Dec 31, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gac made the list...?
cough…
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Dec 31, 2008 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On Ian Gac...
Ian Gac: 64th on Jamey Newberg’s list.
Chances that the 64th best prospect in any organization becomes a solid major league regular: About the same as his grandmother’s.
"Alright class. Now that I've explained how silly the theory of evloution is, and how it's impossible for a specie to change over time, let's refocus on the Bible. I'd like to direct your attention to Genesis. Okay, now here's how the snake lost his voice..."
by YourNameHere on Jan 1, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the point
Gac is not a prospect. In addition, you can put any of the top 20 Latin American rookies 50-75, and one or two of them could end up in your top 10 next year (umm, perez…). Depending on how you do your rankings, someone in that range can still have a legit chance to be a major league prospect.
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Jan 1, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle O'Campo at #51
Seems a little low.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 31, 2008 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
REALLY low.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 31, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bounced back and forth on KO as much as anyone.
by Jamey Newberg on Dec 31, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to insinuate you didn't
I should convey my thanks for all your work, BTW.
I was just wondering how O’Campo wound up below so many releivers, while Carlos Pimentel, for example, is up at #28.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 31, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz Navidad
and Happy Hollands.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Dec 31, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jamey
Why did Emerson Frostad make the list and Jonathan Greene didn’t?
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Jonathan-Greene.shtml
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/F/Emerson-Frostad.shtml
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 4:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The omission that stuck out to me was Eric Fry.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Dec 31, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He is better than Frostad as well.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fry was 73.
I just believe there’s something there in Frostad’s bat. Longshot, no doubt, but so are the other two mentioned here.
by Jamey Newberg on Dec 31, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frostad turns 26 in a couple of weeks.
Don’t you think that he would have demonstrated that potential by now if he had it? At least Greene has nice power numbers and a tendency to get hit by pitches (37 2B, 32 HR, 128 RBI, and 49 HBP in 657 career AB). I admit he was a little old (22) for Clinton last year but so was Frostad while putting up his numbers at the same level.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
If Greene does this year what Frostad did at age 23 in High A, I’ll reevaluate.
by Jamey Newberg on Dec 31, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What he did in High A
was only a small sample (291 AB) compared to the rest of his career (1740 AB). Plus, doesn’t playing for Bakersfield inflate a hitter’s numbers?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greene's OBP...
…seems to be driven by an incredibly high number of HBPs. He doesn’t walk a lot, and he has a ton of Ks.
He appears to have some power, and if he’s a good defensive 3B (I don’t know if he is or not), he could maybe turn into something, but I don’t see much reason to get too excited about him. 22 year olds in low-A at a CIF position who don’t post an 800 OPS aren’t going to get folks too fired up.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 31, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanted to know why Frostad is ranked higher than Greene.
I respect Jamey’s opinion on this. He is an expert in this stuff.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good def. 3b
I think he platoons at 3b/DH with Morrison in A+ and ends up being the next Gac (who I don’t think will be in the system next year).
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Dec 31, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gac is still only 23
and has shown some power the last couple of years. Why not give him one more chance to see what he can do?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a minor league free agent after this season
Either we gets added to the 40 man roster after 2009 (which seems doubtful, absent a huge breakout year), or he can walk.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 31, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will he start at AA this season?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
It probably depends on where Smoak is. If Smoak is at Bakersfield, Gac may be at AA. But given that he struggled at Bakersfield last season, I wouldn’t be shocked if he went back there next season as a DH. He could start out at Frisco, though, and be the guy sent down when Smoak is ready to come up.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 31, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetically
Let’s say Chris Davis gets abducted by aliens, Hank Blalock gets thoratic outlet in his other shoulder, Frank Catalanotto gets mistakenly assinated by the italian mob, and Max Ramirez gets teleported back to a time where “Maximiliano” was a common name…
Would the Rangers ever call up Gac just to see what he could do? Or is he Nate Gold chapter II?
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 31, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
To this point, all he’s done is have an impressive partial season in the MWL at age 22. There’s no reason to believe that, at this point, he’d be able to hit well enough in the majors to be an acceptable middle infielder (offensively), much less at 1B. But it really depends on how he progresses this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 31, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look at his #s
and then make your argument. He is a 2A guy (career A ball).
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Dec 31, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Early last season I said we needed to see what he can do at higher levels. We saw.
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by t ball on Dec 31, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gac
I agree that his .257/.311/.449/.760 line after the promotion to Bakersfield was not impressive at all, but the 13 HR and 49 RBI in 63 games were not that bad either. That is a pace of 33 HR and 126 RBI in 162 games.
Yes I know that this guy most likely will never amount to anything, but it’s always better to play it safe with young guys that demonstrate some kind of ability (in this case that ability is power and run production).
Since some guys figure it out late (Gac will be playing at only age 23 next season), we should at least give him two months at AA and then dump him if he doesn’t impress. Do you really think we should just give up on him right now like stated above? There are worse (and older) players in our system, that I could think of, that are getting chances.
His last two seasons are not that bad (he did well in the HR and RBI departments). I do admit that his other stats like BA, OBP, and K’s were awful though (except for his Clinton stint). If he were to become the next Mike Jacobs (although unlikely), then at least we would get value in a trade. The only way to find that out is to try him out for a little longer, right?
I do understand that his first four seasons in the minors were horrendous. But some guys do improve (especially at his age) and maybe that is the case here (as he has shown indications of that over the past two years). Take a look at his stats here:
by coolrangersfan on Jan 1, 2009 4:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we know his stats
better than you I think
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Jan 1, 2009 5:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gac
Massive hole in his swing. Aluminum bat swing. He’s AAAA at best.
by jparks77 on Jan 1, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aluminum bat swing.
That’s a term I’ve never heard. I understand it’s easier to get a little pop on the ball with an aluminum bat. I have no idea how a typical aluminum bat swing differs from an effective wood bat swing.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 1, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It means
that there may be something wrong with his swing such as cutting his hands off through the zone, partial rotation in hips, etc. This is a HUGE term in college and HS scouting. Personally, my opinion is it is a judgement of the type of contact made and how someone can handle the bat.
by Michael Cave on Jan 1, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying release him
but he’s not going to be a MLer at any point for any team. Let him keep playing see what happens, but it would be a surprise if he even got to AA and had sustained success.
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by t ball on Jan 2, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he gets released because he is not as good
as the guys that will be at A+. With Moreland at 1b, and Morrison and Greene splitting DH/3b duties, and Butler and Cobb as the 4-5 OF there is no room for a guy limited to DH duty. The at bats should go to guys who have some ceiling. Morrison will also get time in the OF and 2b.
by Goyogringo on Jan 2, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, eventually he gets released
or leaves via minor league free agency. That may be next winter, I can’t remember his timeline.
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by t ball on Jan 2, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MaxRam gets into the top tier for me.
I don’t know if I’m the only one who thinks this. I doubt it, but, if so, I don’t mind standing out. I had Main ranked higher than most last offseason only because I believed his athleticism would allow him to make adjustments that others didn’t. And now, I feel smart for that, but the truth is that I’m just a fanatic who made a lucky guess and Main/Adair/others are the smart ones. Max looks like he has the potential to be a dominant DH in a couple of years, as in .300/.400/.600. In fact, Bill James projects a .308/.390/.548 line with 221 AB for him in 2009. It seems to me that he’s just now learning how to tap into his power, and all along he’s shown a great ability to hit for average and get on base. So, hopefully this year he’s my lucky pick for emerging at a level far above what others have envisioned.
The downside comp to Max appears to be something like Conor Jackson, but Max has shown more power over the last year than Conor ever did in the minors.
I would have two tiers among the top 9. Holland, Feliz, Smoak, Main, and MaxRam in the first tier. A very small drop off to the second tier of Teagarden, Perez, Andrus, and Beltre. The difference between the two tiers being that the second tier has a slightly higher risk of either flaming out or being derailed by injuries. I think the upside of both tiers is an All-Star caliber player.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Dec 31, 2008 4:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
a line of 300/.400/.600
puts him between ARod and Pujols. How about something like .270/.360/.450 for his first year?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Dec 31, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What player will Max end up being most similar to?
Maybe Victor Martinez or Edgar-Martinez hitting-wise?
"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."
- Emo Phillips
by Rangerchick on Dec 31, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think somewhere in between is the truth
Maybe Edgar with a little less power.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 31, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it happening
I think Max will become a great player and likely DH, but Martinez averaged a .312/.418/.515 line in the Majors which is pretty much the same as what Ramirez has done in the minors. I don’t think we’ll see Ramirez end up in the Majors without any drop off in his minor league numbers. And Martinez put up much better seasons than that in his career.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 31, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Max gets plenty of my respect.
Love the guy. I think the Edgar comp is the correct one. But his position issue takes him out of that top tier, in my opinion.
As for the “top seven” line, this was the next line in today’s report, which is pertinent to the Maximus discussion:
“And yet you could probably make an argument that the players who sit at eight, nine, 10, and 11 could conceivably be the number one prospect in some other organization.”
by Jamey Newberg on Dec 31, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say
reading sentences like that last line of yours really get me fired up about being a Rangers fan right now.
by jwiscarson on Dec 31, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting some commentary on your rankings.
Max in the Astros system would be without a doubt the system’s best.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Dec 31, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Diamond's to Holland
I’ve always enjoyed following the climbing minor league prospect and the constantly changing perceptions that surround the 95% who never see the MLB. Thomas Diamond 2006. Thomas Diamond 2008. Holland 2007. Holland 2008. Unlike football and hoops, evaluating baseball talent is obviously a hard gig to do well. Who knew Holland would reach so high last year? Anybody?
by 3Bagger on Dec 31, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think he was that good
but I knew he was at least somewhat good because his stats at Spokane in 2007 were impressive (7.7 H/9, 11.1 K/9, 4.0 K/BB, 2.8 BB/9, 3.22 ERA). The only thing that had me worried about him was that 0.9 HR/9 and guess what, the guy improved that ratio to an out-of-this-world 0.18 HR/9 (3 HR in 150.2 IP) in 2008.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holland
Do you think there is a much chance that Holland is a fluke? Obviously, that’s hard to answer now. But, unlike Danks, who was heralded from high school, I was just wondering. I haven’t seen him pitch.
by 3Bagger on Dec 31, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The thing with Holland was that he seems to have taken a huge leap forward in terms of his stuff between 2007 and 2008.
I read some article that said that Holland just suddenly started throwing 95-97, and the Rangers coaching staff was basically like, “We don’t know what he did, but it is apparently working.”
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 31, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"suddenly started throwing 95-97"
anyone got a radar gun and live in Collin County? Last time I threw, the gun had me at 67….
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 31, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think he is a fluke.
There is always that chance that he might not be as good as his 2008 stats indicate, but even if that’s the case, he should still be at least a no. 3 starter.
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First blush reactions for me
- My top tier was six, but I can certainly understand including Teagarden.
- I agree with not placing Borbon immediately behind that group. We’ve discussed him ad nauseum, but I think he has more to prove to look like a quality regular than those ahead of him.
- It is hard for me to understand ranking Ross and Mathis next to each other. I know that I am less afraid of ranking less developed players than some, but using the “who would you less like to lose?” rule, the choice is much more clear cut for me.
- As usual and along the same lines, I would rank Font higher.
- I like seeing Fabio Castillo not drop completely off the map.
- Maybe I’m deluding myself but I still believe that Hurley is a top ten prospect in this system if he’s not seriously injured.
- I like seeing Ramirez and Boscan where they are and next to each other, with Ramirez getting the coin flip.
- Even with everything we’ve discussed here, I was pretty surprised to see Lemon and Osuna next to each other. I’d definitely take Lemon a few notches before Osuna.
- What is the Moreland ranking based on, his bat?
- I think the Diamond ranking is appropriate for the time being.
- Some right column guys I would have at least several spots higher, and yes the theme is upside: Telis, Bianucci, Ocampo, West, Bleier, Polanco.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 31, 2008 6:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where would you put Hamburger?
It’s hard for me to make an assessment based on stats alone given that his career is so brief and he was pitching at rookie ball at age 21 last year. He wasn’t dominating in 36.2 innings there. Does he have good stuff?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In-N-Out Burger
He has good size and a good heater, but not much else.
by jparks77 on Dec 31, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can say a lot of things about In-N-Out Burger
but “good size” is not one of them
by JBImaknee on Dec 31, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear by Carls Jr, myself
Haven’t been to an In-N-Out in a long time, but I used to eat there with my parents when I was younger. Food was pretty good, near as I can remember.
But Carls is the REAL burger king.
"I´d like to apologize in advance for anything that I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I slowly go NUTS."
by lonestarJon on Dec 31, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best burger
In ‘92 when I moved to Dallas my dad and I stopped at some dank hole in the wall somewhere in Oklahoma. It was like the place the Three Amigos nearly get their asses kicked when they first go to Mexico, but less friendly. Best burger I ever had and the “restaurant” didn’t even have a name outside. I don’t think I could even find it again, and I’ve tried on subsequent trips up route 75.
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by t ball on Dec 31, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In-N-Out: way way overrated
Nah, noob.
by Brian Thomas on Jan 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.
I ate there once, it was not good. The fries where so fishy-tasting I threw them away.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jan 2, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about Mathis
Though I have a hard time imagining Hurley in the top 10 of that list. He really hasn’t been a very good pitcher since his AA time in 2007. While I agree that he has some room for improvement, his ceiling has been dropping every season. He’s no longer talked about as a potential #2 or #3 – its looking more and more like he’ll be a back-end of the rotation guy. Although that has value to the Rangers (who can’t usually get even enough of those), I have trouble seeing him as a better prospect than a Beltre, Beavan or Borbon.
by JBImaknee on Dec 31, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that he's a potential #2
but who would this refer to:
He’s no longer talked about as a potential #2 or #3
I’m not sure that whoever you’re referring to, as someone who used to talk about him in that light but doesn’t any more, is anyone that I’d take as gospel on Hurley. And again, the only particularly disturbing stretch for Hurley was his AAA one early this season. He did well in the majors despite not having his best stuff until that last start where he was hurt.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 31, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His first stint in AAA was not
impressive either
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Dec 31, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides MaxRam, I felt Hurley should be a little higher.
I feel like Hurley is still ahead of Beavan.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Dec 31, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holland article
While trying to find a past article about Holland and his fastball improvement, I came across this…
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20081223/SPORTS/812230333
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Dec 31, 2008 6:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cool, nice find.
Your 2010 Texas Rangers starting shortstop....(see pic)
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 31, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah nice article
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/
by Goyogringo on Dec 31, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a couple
of years ago weren’t Diamond, Hurley, and Kiker our highest ranked pitchers?
and now we have SEVEN pitchers ranked higher than the best of that group. WOW.
So in a couple of years we’ve amassed damn near half a ML staff worth of better prospects. Nice.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 31, 2008 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thats good and bad though
That is probably as much that they have dropped off as it is that the Rangers have brought in more talent.
by groundingout on Dec 31, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and hopefully
that talent will get us to the playoffs come 2011
by thetudors on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Bannister is overrated.
I would take Corey Young or Joseph Ortiz over him any day. Anyone disagrees?
by coolrangersfan on Dec 31, 2008 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers front office
might, they seem to like him at least well enough to protect him. We’ll have to see how he comes back.
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by t ball on Dec 31, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is off the subject
but I just turned on MLB network for the very first time.
Guess who I see first? Josh Hamilton, then 5 minutes later
during some highlights, they show GMJ making that running
leaping catch over the centerfield wall. I remember it being a great
catch, but it keeps getting better. That was way better than Willie
Mays making the catch over the shoulder. I know, it wasn’t
in the World Series.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
by rodcarew on Dec 31, 2008 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've watched their preview
a bit, looking forward to having that channel.
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by t ball on Dec 31, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where would Strop be on this list?
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 1, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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