LSB Community Prospect Project: #17
by thedirkatron on Dec 4, 2008 8:40 AM CST
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PrintWow. We've been asking for a close one and all of the sudden we get a six-way battle of epic proportions. Nice.
At the time I called it it was:
Diamond:27
Ross 31
Hunter: 33
Font: 39
Poveda: 39
and, finally...
Jose Vallejo: 42
So, after 261 votes, Jose Vallejo has won the right to be called the LSB Community #16 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland.
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
Time to move on to the vote for #17.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
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Wow
That last vote was crazy. I’m going with Hunter again. When do you think Vallejo will be traded?
There are too many players who are able to play 2nd base/other IF spots
Either Duran or Vallejo have to be traded, correct?
Thanks for doing this Dirk
The thread/vote for #16 showed folks know their shit.
I'll admit it
Tough decision between Golson, Ross, Poveda, Murphy, Font, and Hunter for me, but I really believe in Golson and am willing to vote for him ever how many chances it takes for him to win. I just really think if he puts it together he’s going to really be something.
…and no I wouldn’t even be thinking of voting for JMJ for the next 10 spots or so.
im impressed
what do you think of diamond?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Diamond
Out of all of our prospects he’s the one that I can’t seem to stick to a rank. Right now though my feeling is he’s definitely below the guys I’ve already mentioned plus Wieland, Moreland, Madrigal, Lemon, and the hitting Murphy. (the pitching one was already mentioned…) So yeah… I guess I’m pretty pessimistic about him compared to everybody else.
I know control is the last thing that comes back from TJ, but with Diamond you have to remember he hasn’t posted a BB/9 under 4.96 since he hit Frisco in 2005. So it’s not just a matter of having the control come back, it’s a matter of having it come back and improve from where it was before the injury which I just doubt will happen.
Hopefully he’ll prove me wrong because with average control he’d be my pick for closer.
Poveda again
We should be set up for an even better dogfight now that Vallejo is off the board. It’s all about the pitchers, at least for awhile.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
Poveda time
I can’t wait to see him in Frisco this year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Where would our
16-20 rate in Houston’s system? Would they take Vallejo, Hunter, Poveda, Ross and Font for Oswalt?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Not even close
they want quality and not quantity.
if they are as cash strapped as some people think
they might think about it a while. But in a year, that is a collection that could be worth a lot more. Think about Vallejo’s value if he continues to progress at the plate and established that he can play SS. Poveda’s numbers could really take off after leaving the Cal league. And this would be the worst time to trade Font. And Ross is ineligible. Sorry to nitpick.
why would *we* do that?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Video - Josh Hamilton Interview + Nolan Ryan pitching "seminar"
Chuck Morgan shoots fan questions at Josh Hamilton and promotes his book. LINKS at the top
Pretty main-stream stuff you’ve all probably heard before. But …
After the Josh videos, you should see several videos pop up one after the other of Nolan Ryan speaking with Feldman, Hurley, Holland and Harrison. First there is a brief “humorous” ad, then some outtake-like chatting between Ryan and the pitchers. Kinda gives an insight into what Nolan is showing our young arms.
You don't have to
wait until the end of the Hamilton video, there is a bunch of video choices available underneath the viewer window and you can just click on them. Thanks for the heads up, I’m going to pretend to work while watching these now.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
These are neat
reminds me how ahead of the curve Ryan was on weight training.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Watching them made me realize ...
that Derek Holland is only a year younger than Eric Hurley. So, Hurley is only a year older than our first wave of “young pitching.” Or, put another way … Holland will go into Spring Training in the exact shoes Eric Hurley was in last Spring – with a shot to make the team with a great showing. Hurley stumbled but was eventually called up when circumstances allowed. Holland will probably echo Hurley’s 2008 season somewhat in that regard.
Holland really looked small in that group
Feldman is a giraffe, Harrison reminds me of a tall Laird, Hurley looks like a gym rat… and Holland looks like somebody I’d see on campus
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
lets hope its ONLY in that regard
and in no other possible way
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, those were cool
I really like Nolan dishing out advice on training, exercise, and work ethic. He worked HARD during his career, and if he can rub off on some of these young guys I’ll be very grateful. Feldman sure seemed interested in picking his brain, and Hurley asked a few questions too. I’m really pulling for Feldman…
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
Poveda again.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
How come Derek Holland gets a period?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Because I'm a horrible LSB CPP moderaotr.
Frowny face |:`^(
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 4, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Seth, is that you?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Oh, the typo, I assume?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 4, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
moderaotr.
haha
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Yes, in my haste I typed the "O" before the "T".
It’s a source of endless hilarity.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 4, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
looks like the Vallejo supporters are leaning towards Poveda
at least so far
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
This is harder than it should be.
poveda
hunter
madrigal
gomez
weiland
font
ross
tim murphy
diamond
moreland
jones
golston
lemon
c. murphy
then I have no clue about the rest.
Dirk as we get deeper can you post some numbers or scouting reports, cause once we hit like 25 it’s a total crap shoot of young guys, recovering from injuries guys, and latin american players most of us haven’t heard of except zywica’s passionate man crushes on LA teenage boys.
Madrigal and Gomez
ahead of Weiland, Font AND Ross? Wow…..
Font and Ross haven't pitched enough.
Font’s numbers in the AZ rookie league in 2007, hardly wow me. They are by no means bad, but Gomez put up better. Add in the fact that he barely pitched at all in 2008, with some mysterious ailments and I just can’t get the hype about him regardless of whatever amazing stuff he supposedly has. He breaks out in 2009 I’ll be happy to adjust his ranking, but he’s got to show me more than six innings.
Ross is a high school kid who hasn’t thrown a professional pitch outside of instructs. I know he was highly regarded in the draft but I’m one of those people that has to see him pitch professionally before I’ll anoit him above a guy holding his own in the majors, and a guy who pitched great in A ball last year.
As for Wieland, I really like him. He may be the best player, besides Smoak, to come out of that draft class. Again though I’m not sure his upside his significantly higher than Gomez’s and Madrigal will be the 8th inning guy for this club in two years.
I think people have forgotten just what a fantastic season Gomez was having in Clinton before his injury. He was arguably the best pitcher there behind Holland and Feliz. Can an argument for Wieland be made? Absolutely but so can the cases of Madrigal, being an above average bullpen arm, and Gomez a future number 3 starter.
Well I hope
we are both right. Im just not all that high on Madrigal honestly but then again I do keep forgetting that he is very raw. Gomez is a player that I think does fall through the cracks because of the minor league pitching depth. I am probably this highest on Ross out of all of those guys because of what I have read, not what I have seen honestly.
Gomez
I know I haven’t forgotten what he did before the injury. But the injury is a key part for me. It wasn’t some fluke injury that he was able to come back from and pitched again. He was shut down after basically half a season. I hope for nothing more than for him to come back this year and duplicate what he did this year next year. But when guys go down for half a season in A ball the injury question does start popping up and I think it does affect rankings. Now I agree he should be ahead of Font but I could see the justification of putting Ross and Weiland ahead of him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Kennil Gomez over Font?
Craziness…
Gomez doesn’t do much for me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Gomez
He proved himself in A ball last year which is way more than I can say for Font. Until Font plays above Rookie Ball I’ll go with Gomez. At midseason it could very well be Font above Gomez but not now in my eyes
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Gomez doesn't have anywhere near the top-end potential Font does.
Gomez’s ceiling is a 4 or a 5.
Font could be special.
Gomez does get some point for actually taking the field and pitching in games, but I’m gonna go with the guy with Jen You Wine ceiling over the guy who pitcher moderately well for half a season the got shut down.
Not that you’re wrong, of course. We just disagree.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Gomez
So does that mean Beavan only has 4/5 ceiling as well? Cause Gomez’s numbers were better than Beavans were. Im not saying Gomez has ace potential but I think you are selling him short a bit. Add on all the mystery surrounding Font and I can’t put him ahead of a guy who was dominant for half a season of A ball. Like I said once Font pitches outside of Rookie ball I will start believing all these sensationalistic reports on him. Until then I am extremely skeptical.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Gomez versus Beavan
They had pretty similar statistical profiles, but Beavan has quite a bit more projectability, imo.
I’m not convinced Gomez has the stuff to miss bats at the higher levels and am skeptical he can improve to that level. Though saying a guy has number 4 ceiling isn’t really an indictment. #4 starters are useful.
And a 4.79 tRA isn’t dominant.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Beavan has more projectability?
Not right now he doesn’t.
Probably should've added more to that.
I don’t think Beavan’s ceiling post-velocity decrease is much higher than Gomez’s.
I do.
Beavan is younger by almost a year and his ridiculous frame and the fact that he’s thrown much harder before all lead me to believe he has a greater chance to take his stuff up a notch as he goes along than Gomez does.
I think Beavan has tons of projectability. Oodles, even.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Madrigal seems like a pretty solid prospect, imo.
Gomez I’m more Meh on, but madrigal is legit.
To do what he’s done as quickly as he has given the limited amount of time on the mound tickles my impressive bone in many of the right places.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Tommy Diamond
Proximity to the majors plus the hope that the worst is behind him injury-wise. Toss-up between him and Poveda, with Hunter close behind.
Changed my vote
Went Hunter yesterday, Poveda today. Toss up for me, both have solid arguments. Font is in there too but with how far away he is I’m ok putting him just below these two.
BA's AFL Top 20
LIST – Smoak #9, Borbon #13.
Here’s the only Rangers question I saw in the chat …
Q: Joseph from Fort Worth, TX asks:
Thanks for the chat Kary. As far as the Ranger prospects on this list, how far do you think Smoak and Borbon are from contributing in Arlington. I was very impressed with Smoak’s plate discipline. Do you think Bakersfield for Smoak and OKC for Borbon as starting points next year? Thanks again.
.
A: Kary Booher: This would be a good question when the Rangers’ Top 10 comes online, but I think Smoak will open in Bakersfield but Borbon goes back to Double-A Frisco. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Smoak opened in Double-A as well. With that bat, why not? The Cardinals showed that it wasn’t a stretch to send Brett Wallace to the TL late in the year, and I think Smoak would handle it. As for Borbon, he could benefit with another half-season in Frisco. His routes to the ball need polishing, and Triple-A is really no place to learn on the fly.
Borbon
Thats interesting to hear. I guess it could open up OKC for Golson so there isn’t a logjam.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yeah, what if ...
C- Pina
1B – Smoak
2B – Lemon
SS – Vallejo
3B – Whittleman
LF – Tracy
CF – Borbon
RF – Murphy?
Feliz, Holland, Poveda, Kiker … all as possible SP’s
I think
Feliz definitely opens in Frisco. Holland could start in OKC with a good ST.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Probably
ML and OKC rotation spillover could see Holland and Feliz both in AA to start the season maybe. It depends on if the Rangers see 2009 as a developmental year for Holland or as a ML transition year, like say Hurley’s status last season.
Those aren't the same
In 2007 Hurley had spent half a year in AA and then moved up to AAA. 2008 he simply started in AAA. Holland had a meteoric rise last year but only managed a handful of innings in AA. As much as we as fans would love to think of it this shouldn’t be a ML transition year for Holland. It should be mostly developmental year and then later on could start changing into a transitional time. He probably needs to start in AA and if he starts like he finished last year then in June he can move up.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Like I said...
If Holland has a good ST he could start in AAA. I think it is a developmental year for him. But that doesn’t mean he can’t pitch in Arlington this year. I actually hope he has a better year in 2009 than 2008 and can’t break into the Rangers rotation.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I agree with everything you said
I hope he does force his way onto OKC to start with. But I hope alot of people don’t get all bent out of shape if they stick him back in Frisco either. Even if we have guys like Mendoza or gabbard in the OKC rotation ahead of him. Last year he started in Low A. We all saw how amazing it was to go from A ball to the majors in one year with Hunter last year. The same goes to go from A ball to AAA in one year. He has shown he is probably capable but could be better served starting in AA and getting some more time there. People always bitch and moan about our prospects taking so long to get here and want to rush them but then get upset if they don’t light the world on fire when they finally do
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
New Signing
According to Matt Eddy at BA, we signed LHP Joe Torres.
The 10th overall pick by the Angels in 2000, Torres had perhaps his finest pro season this year, going 3-1, 2.68 with 59 strikeouts, 31 walks and two home runs allowed in 50 1/3 innings. The 26-year-old made 59 appearances out of the Double-A Birmingham bullpen. Torres pitched in the White Sox system in both 2007 and 2008.
Wow
Poveda and Font are in a dead heat here at 7:48 PT.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
no sure about your grammar there Z
I don’t think it is stupid to rank poveda over Ross. It all depends what factors you weigh more heavily at certain points in your ranking system. For me, I tend to situate guys higher in the system in the teens, super high ceiling guys (most of them who have actually played some pro ball) in the top 10 and high ceiling guys who have not made their debut or who have makeup concerns or obvious flaws in the 20s. That’s just me. But there is a logic behind it. And, really, lets be honest, Who cares if Ross or Poveda is 15 or 25. As I have said before, if you are top 30 in this system, you are pretty damn good.
Sorry
Posted it on my phone and wanted to save words, hah.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 4, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
what do you think Ross' ceiling is?
Culling all the reports left me with the impression that he has #3 ceiling. He was touted as a guy with not much projection like kiker, with now stuff, with a FB that flashes 94. Poveda has grown (probably reaching his projection) with a FB in that range as well. So for me Poveda’s ceiling would seem to be a #3. It is all speculative of course, but that would seem to put them on relatively even footing save for the advantage Ross has as a LH. What is your take?
Poveda looks like a starting pitcher should look. He’s moving nicely through the system and is clearly a prospect. He’s only 21, so his stuff can always improve. That said, he looks like a fourth starter at best, in a realistic sense, to me. Though he’s been young for his level, he repeated Low A, so he had a solid base under him. And upon his promotion to High A, I really didn’t like what happened to his K/BB ratio.
Ross is obviously more of a blank slate, since he hasn’t pitched in pro ball, but when a young pitcher who is 6-0 is profiled, you will always see the comment that he doesn’t have much projection. The thing is, that doesn’t mean that his stuff won’t improve, and it certainly doesn’t mean that he won’t improve in other aspects of his game. It just means that the shape of his body probably won’t cause an improvement in velocity or power. To me, this is not only a needless comment, since all you have to do is look at a picture of a guy (and often just his dimensions) to see whether scouts will think that he has projection in him, but it is overrated. It is almost impossible to predict who will and won’t gain velocity among tall, angular guys anyway. Some guys, like Beavan and Hurley, may never throw as hard as they do when they’re 19 or 20. The possibility that there could be more is enticing, but it’s just not a huge factor to me.
With Ross’s present stuff and his pitchability, there is more there to me than marginal to okay stuff in a big body. That’s my take.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2008 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
And obviously
plenty of people don’t think ranking someone like Poveda over Ross is dumb, given the voting, but I think those folks’ factors are out of whack.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 4, 2008 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't know enough about Robbie Ross.
Except Blake Beavan has a mancrush on him.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
You tell em Z.
Font should have been on at 15. I have major problems with the way the community has ranked the prospects so far.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Font
You know, he would have been top 15, if not top 10 for me had he not been the Brandon McCarthy of the minor leagues this year. I really like everything I hear about his stuff, but what we don’t know about his “injuries” this year is what scares me.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
If Poveda drops his walk rate
back towards his Clinton numbers this year, would you still feel that way?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Hey, Zywica
Out of curiosity, what is your top 15?
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Let me put a little thought into it and I'll throw it out there
by Brett Perryman on Dec 4, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ok.
Looking forward to it.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Tonight
1. Neftali Feliz
2. Justin Smoak
3. Derek Holland
4. Elvis Andrus
5. Martin Perez
6. Michael Main
7. Taylor Teagarden
8. Max Ramirez
9. Eric Hurley
10. Blake Beavan
11. Wilmer Font
12. Julio Borbon
13. Engel Beltre
14. Neil Ramirez
15. Robbie Ross
16. Wilfredo Boscan
17. Kasey Kiker
18. Joe Wieland
19. Tim Murphy
20. Jose Vallejo
First of all, I think the top three are pretty much a dead heat, so I’m by no means meaning to slight Holland. I’d just like to keep seeing 96s into next season before I’m quite as confident in him as Smoak.
And Tommy Hunter should really be on there somewhere, but I just don’t think the upside is there, and I’ll take what upside each of these guys offer over the certainty of a usable but probably very replaceable major leaguer (hopefully that comment will come back to bite me).
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
just curious
where do you rank Font last year?
I'd have to look
I’m thinking somewhere around 9-10, but I would have to look.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2008 2:40 AM CST up reply actions
also
you don’t seem to put much stock in the reports of concerns with Font’s makeup with a ranking that high. If his shoulder problems were a result of being unprepared at the start of the season and overweight (he has added 30 pounds though not sure if it is of the Diamond variety) then his ceiling can’t necessarily outweigh those concerns.
He was 17 at the beginning of the season
If he gets to be the age of a man and is still having problems, then his ceiling will be affected.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2008 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
Nice.
Here’s mine.
1. Feliz
2. Holland
3. Andrus
4. Smoak
5. Perez
6. Main
7. Teagarden
8. Hurley
9. Beltre
10 Max Ramirez
11. Beavan
12. Ross
13. Borbon
14. Neil Ramirez
15. Font
I’m high on Andrus and Ross, who still isn’t ranked by the community. Ross is Lincecum lite. He will be easily top ten next year maybe top 5.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
interesting
i woudlnt have expected you to have boscan and beltre that low.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
That's where I have him, too.
Holland/Feliz/Smoak/Andrus/Max/Main.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 5, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yes sir
I really don’t think there’s all that much difference in the top six. I see the first three as pretty much a toss-up, and the next three as just a small step behind. Main and Perez are basically a dead heat to me, so the lefty gets the edge. I think there is a pretty big drop off in terms of potential to be a difference maker between 6 & 7, fwiw, even though very few would agree with that..
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Should West be added?
I know he hasn’t done anything yet other than test positive, but he was a 2nd round pick …
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by inactive lsb user on Dec 4, 2008 11:07 PM CST reply actions
dirk...
here’s a guy i think you might lose your anal virginity with…
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=34856
check out his k/bb ratio…
I wonder if Pitt doesnt have enough money to fly him over to the states, because those numbers sure do seem to point to a prospect.
21 year old in DSL
Gotta be a reason for that.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2008 4:40 AM CST up reply actions
He better have a time machine.
Hey-Oh!!!
Buh-Duh-Duhm-Chhhh!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
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