A request for Monday
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2008 2:00 PM CST
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PrintOn Monday, BA's top 10 Rangers list comes out.
At LSB, there will be linkage and discussion of the list when it comes out.
Historically, there is always someone who asks for someone to cut-and-paste the entire article in the comments (and someone who complies with that request), or someone creates a FanPost that just cuts-and-paste the entire article.
This stuff is part of BA's subscription-only material, and they are pretty aggressive about protecting it. Other SBN websites have gotten cease-and-desist emails when posters have posted protected content. And so, if someone does a big cut-and-paste, I have to delete it.
So, I'm asking in advance, please don't do that. Providing the list and discussing some of the contents is fine, but cutting-and-pasting huge swaths of material will cause problems and result in me having to delete it anyway, so let's just not do that.
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that's sorta the point don't you think?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Yup. I do however wish that if you pre-order the Handbook they'd give you access to all the top 10's as they come out.
It irks me that I have to wait for the book to come out to read all this stuff that I have, essentially, paid for already.
But it’s their business they can run it however the hell they want.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
it is the point
but it isn’t necessarily the best business model.
of course, they don’t protect everything.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
?
They should give out the good stuff and make you pay for the crap?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
No, but they could definitely do a better job giving out tastes of the good stuff so as to better lure people in.
ESPN insider often has free days and a lot of times they’ll randomly give free preview articles.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Well OK
Insider isn’t a great example. Their stuff isn’t all that great. But, I get the point so I will concede.
I think the OP wasn’t talking about what you are talking about FWIW.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
me?
yes I was. why else would it make sense?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
No
TxStCa
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
I agree...
…the best business model would be to make everything free and become a non-profit organization.
by Schrute Farms on Dec 6, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
cause that’s the only way to make money.
how much do you pay for SBN memberships? are they nonprofit?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
You can't seriously be comparing...
Baseball America to SBN. SBN is a simply a blog based series of websites. Advertising is enough to pay for something like that. In addition to the website, BA employs a number of professional writers, prints a magazine, and prints books. Making website content free decreases the demand for the magazine and books. It’s all about overhead dude. Baseball America>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SBN.
by Schrute Farms on Dec 6, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
"Making website content free decreases the demand for the magazine and books"
No it doesn’t. See, nytimes.com and wsj.com for proof.
the overhead is a legitimate concern but they could probably release more content for free then they do and still get a good subscription rate, if not better than what it has now.
there are many other case studies that prove the general point that trying to charge for information like this that generally gets disseminated for free anyway is counter productive.
for instance, we want the ranking and the small write ups that they have about the rangers but if we know that it costs money, none of us are going to visit the site. Not only that, but we’re just going to come on here on Monday and ask for the rankings and any interesting notes. Even with BA and adam trying to control it, most will still get what they are looking for.
Now, if they had just put this information up for free, there’s a very very good chance we visit the website tomorrow and possibly mill around looking to see what else is there. We might see enough teasers to think, this is a good product, I might pay for it.
As it stands, most people on here probably don’t ever go to the BA website. How exactly are you supposed to get those people to buy a subscription to your site?
(BTW, my opinion has nothing to do with what Adam is requesting. If this is the business model BA wants, I’ll respect them and Adam’s wishes.)
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Fair Enough
Although I would argue that baseball america offers nearly as much free content as wsj.com. Free content at BA includes all of the blogs updated relatively frequently (prospects blog, draft blog, etc.), weekly ask BA, podcasts, trade analysis, all of the top 10 lists with team overviews, lots of chats,etc. I don’t know what more teasers you want to get an idea about the website. Basically the only thing it’s not giving you is the full scouting reports.
Also, wsj and nytimes can get away with stuff like that because they are appealing to a much much larger demographic. I don’t have the time to look up these case studies about demand, but I know personally that if the scouting reports are posted for free online, I am not going to go out and purchase the book that has nothing but scouting reports. I’d imagine that many others feel the same way. I do think that BA may be a special case based on the content they produce for such a focused target market. I’m not trying to say that this model is perfect and should always be used, only that I think it is effective in this case.
And I didn’t mean to insinuate that SBN was some “amatuer set-up,” just that the expenses of a website like this and BA are going to be much different.
by Schrute Farms on Dec 6, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
wsj
my point with them was that they control their content so much and their newsprint subscriptions have gone down (put whatever causation you want with that), while nytimes didn’t have any pay content and their newsprint subscriptions went up
people still like paper books and magazines for lots of reasons but I think the bigger issue is that the advertising they lose out on by not offering more free content completely dwarfs any potential lost revenues from people who would have bought a subscription but don’t because some of the content is free.
I’m not so sure that they couldn’t just operate a completely free site and still make up the money through magazines and books.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
You know
NYT’s site tried a subscription service to read the op-eds and other such material. It was a dismal failure and they returned to all free.
Look at...
NYT’s stock price.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
so you're saying
that free websites aren’t working?
lots of things can cause a company that is primarily print media to have their stocks fail. I don’t think you can say that their stock price is proof that people aren’t buying their newspapers.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Free websites...
for organizations structured as the New York Times is structured aren’t working.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
stock prices your only proof?
because that isn’t enough.
and rupert murdoch doesn’t agree with you either since he is probably going to make wsj.com free pretty soon.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Stock prices
are one of the things to indicate that. Online ads are not, in my mind, a sustainable income source based on the large amount of infrastructure involved in running an outfit like the New York Times. The Wall Street Journal is different… they have different revenue streams than ad revenue.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
that's not even what I'm saying
I’m saying there isn’t even proof that a free website takes away from print subscriptions
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Oh...
I would agree with that.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Such a smart boy.
Brett’s a smart boy!
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Okay
I’d appreciate it if you two would just stop replying to each other’s posts from now on.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Does that apply to ben replying to me through other people?
by brettgardner on Dec 6, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
as someone who mixes it up with both of you
you need to let this go. this can’t end well trying to pursue this. even if he takes veiled jabs, i think you’re just going to have to suck it up.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Yes, he is.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
i dunno
i might have overstated my case. doing some more reading on the subject, there are some studies that show that online readers are substitutes for print subscriptions – but that advertising can more than make up for the deficit.
you definitely need a mixed model.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I was reading...
an article recently about The Economist where they offered the web subscription at X price, a print subscription for Y price, and a print and web subscription for Y price. Most of the people, even those that would have gone for the web only subscription if only two choices were given, went for web and print subscription due to perception of value.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Point Taken
Although I’m still not convinced that would work for BA given their extremely focused content and lack of competitors.
by Schrute Farms on Dec 6, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
and the SBN comment
I’m not sure, but it seems like if they can secure that much VC, then somebody thinks that the site, as is, can generate a lot of money – comparable to BA
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
btw
SBN isn’t some amateur set up
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/60379
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Yah, I saw that.
Adam is so rich. I didn’t want to blow up his spot, but the guy is banking pretty hard right now I bet. The next time he burns evidence with Ben I bet he uses like hundred dollar bills or something to light it. Maybe caviar if he’s out of hundreds.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
That's just
cut and paste portions, not cutting and pasting an entire article.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
It comes out Monday?
Didn’t they wait until Feb. 4th to do last year’s list?
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
They do all the AL first, East-to-West, and then all the NL, East-to-West.
They trade off doing the AL first and the NL first year to year. So last year we were the very last team to get done.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
When will
We see where we end up on the final rankings.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Speaking of BA
if i could only subscribe to 1 site which is more worth the money BA or BP?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
BA
I’ve subscribed to both in the past and definitely BA.
If you’re into the draft at all the difference is even greater.
Though personally I just do the Prospect Handbook and get all my prospecting on free sites.
BA is a little too proud of their product, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
BA
yeah it is a tad on the pricey side but i guess when you consider the wealth of information + getting the magazine for not much more it’s a little easier to swallow.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
you can just get the online access
for cheaper…
BA for sure
The Handbook is great too.
Just out of curiosity, how do people rate other prospect books: newberg, sickle, (BP?) – any others?
BA's is by far the best.
And it’s not even anywhere near close.
Sickels’ book is okay, but it just can’t compete with the BA Handbook. The BA book is the gold standard. I bought Sickels’ book last year and it’s in a pile somewhere. The BA Handbook is right beside my computer as I type this.
I don’t think BP does a prospect book, and Newberg doesn’t do one either.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
I agree
I could care less about all the team reports, which is the bulk of BA’s material. BP for me.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
This may or may not be the real list...but...
BA’s Rangers Top 10
New postby 19braves77 on Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:29 pm
1 – Neftali Feliz
2 – Derek Holland
3 – Justin Smoak
4 – Elvis Andrus
5 – Martin Perez
6 – Taylor Teagarden
7 – Engel Beltre
8 – Michael Main
9 – Julio Borbon
10 – Max Ramirez
Projected 2012 Lineup
C – Taylor Teagarden
1B – Justin Smoak
2B – Ian Kinsler
3B – Michael Young
SS – Elvis Andrus
LF – Julio Borbon
CF – Engel Beltre
RF – Josh Hamilton
DH – Chris Davis
- - Neftali Feliz
- - Derek Holland
- - Martin Perez
- - Michael Main
- - Matt Harrison
Closer – Blake Beavan
Best Tools
Best Hitter For AVG – Max Ramirez
Best Power Hitter – Justin Smoak
Best K-Zone Discipline – Justin Smoak
Fastest Baserunner – Greg Golson
Best Athlete – Greg Golson
Best Fastball – Neftali Feliz
Best Curveball – Martin Perez
Best Slider – Warner Madrigal
Best Changeup – Derek Holland
Best Control – Derek Holland
Best Defensive Catcher – Taylor Teagarden
Best Defensive Infielder – Elvis Andrus
Best Infield Arm – Elvis Andrus
Best Defensive Outfielder – David Paisano
Best Outfield Arm – Greg Golson
found it on Project Prospect’s Forum…
same top 10 we have
Just a different order, I’m assuming Hurley wasn’t eligible according to BA?
Jindal - 2012
Or maybe he's just genuinely not a Top 10 prospect.
by vfn on Dec 6, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
To me
it’s the question over his health. He would undoubtedly be in the middle of my top ten if I knew he is healthy. Reports are that he’s okay, but I think you have to see him healthy and showing his good stuff again before just buying into that totally.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
really zy
in the top ten? middle?
what do you see in him?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
+1 million
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
Was he one a year ago? Two? Or has he always been a very mediocre prospect who didn’t belong on a typical organization’s top ten?
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 2:01 AM CST up reply actions
Him being in the Top 10 of this organization...
Said more about our minor league system when he broke in than it did about Hurley.
There might be systems where he’d genuinely be a Top 10 prospect.
The Rangers are no longer one of those systems.
by vfn on Dec 7, 2008 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
x
Him being in the Top 10 of this organization…
Said more about our minor league system when he broke in than it did about Hurley.
That’s revisionist history.
Sickels had Hurley #2 in the system before last season, behind only Teagarden, and gave him a B+. Goldstein had Hurley #2 in the system before last season.
Goldstein had Hurley as his #37 ranked prospect in baseball heading into 2007, and his #49 prospect in baseball heading into 2008.
BA had Hurley as the #77 ranked prospect in baseball heading into 2008.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
and you think that hurley will even sniff the top 100 this year?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
do you think hurley is a top 100 guy this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
No
I don’t see what that has to do, though, with the statement that the only reason Hurley was a top 10 guy in our organization in the past was that our system was weak.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
he deserved to after last year because of his AA stats
which would mean you overlook his 1/2 yr of AAA
however last year the farm system was much weaker and he sucked it up again at AAA
therefore, no hes not a top 10 prospect
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
much of teagardens value does not come from his bat
it comes from his glove – its not gonna suddenly get shitty
like KG said, he has a lot of value if he hits .240
i dont remember where he ranked for me but if i did it now he would be in the back third of the top 10
teagarden is a player who actually has value, even with little to no bat
hurley’s value comes from where?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Good point
If he couldn’t hit, though, I don’t think that he would be regarded as a very good prospect. And he hit .211/.319/.374 in 246 minor league at-bats last year, which is worse than anything Hurley has done in AAA. You are right, he does have the added value of high quality defense, but I think that people are much quicker to dismiss his minor league struggles from last year than they are Hurley’s, despite the fact that Hurley too was having a really nice debut in the majors over a short period of time until he pitched hurt in his last start.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
well my understanding is that there has always been questions about teagardens bat (if he can make consistent contact) but his value is based on his defense
ive valued him based on his defense at least
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think that's generally true
…but what I think has raised his status recently is some extra optimism about his bat.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
i would believe that
and damn, that is the best system in baseball. i really don’t see how it could be argued.
Yeah lets
just hope that 2009-2011 are successful as well. And if that 2012 team actually happens that team is built for the long haul because: (age as of 2012)
C – Taylor Teagarden…29
1B – Justin Smoak…26
2B – Ian Kinsler…30
3B – Michael Young…36
SS – Elvis Andrus…24
LF – Julio Borbon…26
CF – Engel Beltre…23
RF – Josh Hamilton…31
DH – Chris Davis…26
- Neftali Feliz …24
- Derek Holland …26
- Martin Perez …21
- Michael Main…24
- Matt Harrison…27
Closer – Blake Beavan…23
Wow and the thing is there is a possibility that lineup could be the 2011 lineup as well (matters how quickly perez and beltre advance).
Looks very similar to TB this past year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Remember
Main isn’t going to be considered a top tier prospect on most Rangers lists. The Main lovers are either ahead of the curve or foolishly optimistic.
I'm just saying... I really like Teagarden and all
But his struggles at the plate in the minors and his injury concerns shouldn’t have him that high on the list unless defense is all that matters to the people creating this list.
Nevermind this
I just went to look at the community rankings and Teagarden was 6th on there. I guess I’m just overly optimistic about Main and was dissaopinted to see him so low on the list.
Yep
It doesn’t phase me at all that they have him where they do. I kind of thought that he’d make their top 100 and being eight instead of seven could make that a little dicier, but I frankly didn’t expect Aaron Fitt to be ahead of the curve (or as you said, potentially foolishly optimistic) on Main.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Which madrigal were they watching?
ave slider at best. Holland’s changeup better than poveda? I believe it was Holland’s slider that improved so much not his change-up by comparison. Perez’s CB better than Ramirez? It’s good but…
I saw a very nice slider at times from Madrigal
He just wasn’t consistent with it.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, that tracks better with what I saw this year than what all these other guys have been saying about him having crumb-bummy off speed stuff.
I remember being quite impressed a few times and I also remember screaming “Back to triple-A!!!” a few others.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
our system is slider poor
Adair was big on the curveball over slider, and our system shows it. Loaded with curveballs, very few sliders.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
I figured Paisano
would get Best OF Arm. Golson is a good choice, but Paisano’s arm is boderline Felizian.
Funny Paisano story: In Dayton, he bet a few of the players that he could throw the ball from the RF line over the Left Center field wall and hit the concession stand about 50 ft back. They took the bet. Well, Paisano hit the building about 3/4 of the way up. One player estimated the throw at 350ft.
do you see his bat coming around next season?
I was really hoping for a good breakout season from him this past year, but he wasn’t able to do much. He’s still young with some nice talent so there is plenty of time.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Possibly
I wouldn’t bet on it, though. He has some Pedro Cerano pitch recognition issues. I’d like to see them move him to the mound. He makes Beltre’s arm look average. Not an easy task.
Time
There’s less time than you think. He’s going to be a six-year minor league free agent after 2010.
Holland better control than
beavan, hunter, wieland, and boscan?
Count me suprised
..on Holland with the best changeup. Has it made THAT much progress?
by Schrute Farms on Dec 6, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
That was kind of my thought...
Except I was more thinking, wow are there no real good changeups in the org? And to reply to Goyo, it seems that if it is close they give it to the higher prospect.
Good Point
But in last years book, BA said that both Kiker and Poveda had plus changes. This definately makes me feel better about Holland’s breakout season.
by Schrute Farms on Dec 6, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Poveda's always had a great change-up
so yeah, there are some in the organization.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
The only way that I can
reconcile it is that Fitt is basing the ranking on projection, that the feeling is that it has a good chance of really continuing to improve. Otherwise it’s pretty hard to believe.
They probably do tend to favor the higher rated guy in a tie, but they obviously don’t very drastically when they give the OF nods to Paisano and Golson with Beltre and Borbon around. They also could probably have given Main some consideration with Golson on best athlete. And I’ve seen nonprospects get named for some of those over the years.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Can we petition BA to give us someone new next year?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Holland>Smoak
I am very (pleasantly) surprised to see Holland above Smoak. I thought for sure that Smoak would be higher on their list. Seeing that order makes me think that the Rangers will have 7 on the list, with Beltre making it and Main not making it.
A couple of I told you sos
I told you Perez would be a top 100 for BA. I told you that MaxRam probably wouldn’t. And I told you that Main had a good chance to be below Perez. I think the top seven probably make it, as they just love Beltre’s tools, and Main and Beltre are borderline. Could be 6-8.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
I was with you on MaxRam.
Not on Perez. That surprises me.
That said, I’m more in tune with how BP’s lists tend to go than BA.
You know
your major league rotation is just awful and your system is really strong when all five of your projected rotation in three years are basically prospects. They even assume that free agents to-be will stay with their teams.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
not to mention 5 new position players
with davis also included as a holdover
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
CF
Interesting that they would move Borbon to a corner to have Beltre play CF.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
But not surprising
I"m not quite sure why Borbon has gone (from the tenor of posts I’ve seen here) from a potentially above average CF if he can improve his instincts to super monster gold glove. I guess you can say the same thing about Andrus.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
that range
I can picture them leading the league in +/- and absolutely love that notion.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Oh gosh...
That 2012 lineup (and their ages at the time, no one over 31) just made me drool a lot…
In Smoak We Trust
and in the rotation
Kind of interested to see that they put Harrison in the 2012 rotation instead of some other arms.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
So you're the one who sniped me on eBay!!!
They had one spot on their projected 2012 lineup up for sale and I thought I had it all wrapped up when all the sudden some mystery bidder with a real ugly face trumped my offer with like 30 seconds left.
Oh well.
There’s always the 2013 projected lineup, Marcus.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
I haven't heard much Harrison love from you recently
I hope that that changes next year when he is a Cy Young candidate
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
More Massarotti on Boston's young pitchers
Over the Monster posted a Q&A with Boston Globe sportswriter, Tony Massarotti. Several answers may be useful with understanding how the BoSox view Buchholz, Bowden, and Masterson as well as the Rangers catchers.
1. There’s been a lot of talk about the Red Sox making a deal with the Texas Rangers for a young catcher. A lot of hype surrounds Saltalamacchia, but he has yet to deliver on the promise. Teagarden seems like a more well-rounded player. Whom do you like more for the Red Sox, and who is the more likely target?
Teagarden seems like the more preferred choice given his defensive development to this stage, but the Red Sox love Saltalamacchia’s upside and have for some time. (They tried to trade for him in 2007.) I think the club would do well to end up with either, though that could be difficult because Saltalamacchia could end up playing first base, too. Gerald Laird is a less desirable option, but one nonetheless.
3. Do you think Clay Buchholz puts it back together this year and emerges as a more consistent major leaguer? Having thrown a no-no, he obviously has the talent.
Don’t put much stock in the no-hitter. Most any pitcher can have a dominating game. (Joe Cowley, for example.) I still think Buchholz’ greatest value is on the trade market. His performance last year was worrisome. If the Sox had dealt him last winter, they could have had the world for him.
4. Michael Bowden continues to be a highly rated Sox prospect, but you don’t hear a lot about him. Is he destined for the Red Sox rotation, or is he more likely to be trade fodder?
Either. Of Buchholz and Bowden, I think the Sox are willing to trade one. Masterson seems like the best of the lot at the moment, and his versatility only increases his value. I’d be surprised only if BOTH Buchholz and Bowden are dealt.
You can see the entire Q&A + fan comments at http://www.overthemonster.com/
Interesting
another hint that they value Masterson over not only Bowden but also Buchholz.
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Isn't this just the same guy?
He could be very well in tune with the Sox, but this is the same guy who’s been saying this the whole time and who was saying earlier on that they would potentially deal us Buchholz for one of the catchers.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 6, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
that’s why I haven’t put much stock into it. At least he’s consistent. I’ll get excited if another source says that. I don’t get why he thinks so little of Buchholz himself, seems to way undervalue him.
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what?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
ah
missed that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
Hollands' acting skills
are second best on the team. They were only topped by theatre connoisseur, Scott Feldman.
I’m going by the Rangers Holiday Ticket Pack commercial with Feldman/Holland/Hurley/Nolan Ryan/someone else I didn’t catch the face of.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
You didn't recognize Babyface Harrison?
For shame…
Ah was it Harrison?
My bad. I couldn’t tell without the tears flowing.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
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