Sunday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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Winter meetings kick off tomorrow, and the Rangers are apparently working the trade market.
Evan Grant says that the Rangers have Gerald Laird, Hank Blalock, Kevin Millwood, and Vicente Padilla available to deal, although interest in the latter three probably won't heat up until the major free agents sign, since they will likely be fall-back options for those teams that don't land one of those guys.
The Reds are supposedly after Laird and Jermaine Dye.
Up in Toronto, Bob Elliott says the Tigers are after Laird, and says the Reds want a catcher and are willing to part with Homer Bailey.
Jim Reeves says that Jon Daniels shouldn't be allowed to make any trades this month, after dealing Chris Young, John Danks, and Edinson Volquez the past three Decembers.
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interesting to see
just how much the focus has shifted to dumping salary. not that any of us would have expected hicks to spend a lot of dough this winter, but it almost seems like we could reach a point where daniels will have order to trade one of millwood/padilla for whatever he can get just to meet a shrinking budget.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 7, 2008 9:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its as much that
As it is getting younger players playing time. Millwood and Padilla you could argue are blocking young guys like Hurley, Hunter and potentially Holland. Laird as we know is blocking the younger catchers. Really the only one who isn’t directly blocking a younger player is Hank and I think the only way he is moved is if we get overwhelmed by an offer.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely true with laird
but i dont think its as a big concern with the pitchers. with a strong likelihood of turnover in the rotation, it seems all but certain that guys like hurley will get opportunities. plus hunter, holland, and others still could benefit from more time in the minors. the organization lately has rarely tended to be too aggressive in sorting out logjams in deference of the prospect. i think there is a growing pressure on daniels to be frugal
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 7, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
Tonight is the deadline for players to decline or accept arbitration.
I say 50/50 chance Bradley accepts.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 7, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was always under the impression
That it was closer to a 5-10% chance that he accepts. I hope he does though..
by Mike E on Dec 7, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still doubt he will
Even with the free agent market looking unfriendly to the players this year, I think Bradley wants to try at least, to take advantage of his huge 2008 season. He’s gotta know that he’ll probably never have another year quite that good again, and if I’m him, I’d be trying to at least parlay that into some job security for a couple years, even if I didn’t quite get the huge payday some envisioned for him.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
Yeah, if he gets, or believes he will get, a multi-year offer he should decline arbitration. If he and his agent have gauged the market and don’t feel like a multi-year offer is out there, it would make economic sense to accept.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 7, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad he didn't have much value at the deadline
from a team like TB. He would have been perfect. Why grade is he? A or B?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
B
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic system...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Homer Bailey
I want to party with Homer Bailey too!
by Wemedge on Dec 7, 2008 9:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heh Jim...
Those first two pitchers/trades have been beaten into the ground. Yes they were shitty deals.
However if you wouldn’t trade Volquez for Hamilton, even after seeing what Josh did last year and what he will mean to this team in the future, then perhaps it’s a good thing you’re not the GM. Saying JD shouldn’t be allowed to make any deals this month is just stupid.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young isn't very good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Adrian Gonzalez is...
I’ve always said he would be the player in that deal that we would miss the most.
Of course I didn’t know we would have Davis and Smoak come along so perhaps it was a blessing after all?!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yah. It was still a horrible trade. I'm just out there trying to combat this belief that it was bad cause we traded Chris Young.
Adrian and Aki were both better than CY, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously...
If we can dump Kevin Millwood on somebody, I say go for it… but we need to hang on to Padilla, at least until the All Star Break. And we need to keep Blalock too, unless Bradley accepts arbitration, which I doubt.
by Wemedge on Dec 7, 2008 9:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why dump Millwood instead of Padilla?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer keeping Padilla due to the contract
The fact that Padilla has a team option for 2010 while Millwood’s option for 2010 gets executed if he exceeds 180 IP in 2009 makes Padilla the better guy to keep assuming you can get roughly equivalent returns in trades for each.
by spurdynasty on Dec 7, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
…if Millwood pitches 180 innings in 2009, he’s got value in 2010 at his 2010 salary. Even if you don’t want to keep him, someone will give you something for him, given he’s coming off a solid year and has just one year at $12 million left.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't the same...
be said about Padilla in 2010?
I really don’t see much of a difference between the two at this point.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that a big IF?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But if he doesn’t pitch 180 innings, then you aren’t stuck with him in 2010.
The argument was that Padilla is more attractive because he has a team option for 2010, but the reality is, the Millwood 2010 option only vests if he pitches well enough that you’d exercise it anyway.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
And you can always trade Milly if he is doing well but the Rangers are sucking.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
It vests if he pitches enough. It doesn’t mean that he has to pitch well enough. If Millwood made another start or two this past season, he would have reached the 180 IP mark. That doesn’t mean that he was good enough to want another year of him. And when you are talking about 2010, you are talking a much more polished Holland, Feliz, and Hunter with Harrison, Hurley, and McCarthy with more ML experience and then the depth of pitching prospects starting to be ready. Granted all those guys won’t be great options in 2010, but the ML ready or near ready pitching depth in this system is growing with each year.
If all things are equal and they perform about the same next year with the expectation of similar returns in a trade, I’d keep the guy who I completely control his future with the team vs. the guy who I only have partial control.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 7, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You dump...
the guy that brings back the most. I don’t care if it’s Millwood or Padilla at this point. It would be nice if they could find a suitor for one of them.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, if the Rangers dump
either Millwood or Padilla, I think there is at least an outside chance they give up 1000 runs in 2009.
1000.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dump them both and sign sheets in the salary space
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 7, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet...
Deal one of Millwood/Padilla. Then trade Blalock, Cat, and Laird. Then sign Sheets.
I’m pretty sure that dealing Blalock and Cat just won’t happen right now though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't EG say not too long ago
That there really hasn’t been any interest in Catalanotto since last spring?
I think we’re just gonna have to eat the 4 mil. if we wanna get rid of him, myself.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD needs to cut his losses on that one.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 7, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think using that 4 million to open up that roster spot and taking the temptation to play him away from Ron Washington would be a wiser use than paying 4 million for a pinch hitter with no real defensive position.
by JimBonnick84 on Dec 7, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again with Cat
Who is gonna take that roster spot? Do you want some young guy rotting away on the bench instead of Cat when they could be down in OKC getting playing time everyday? If we have to sign a veteran who are we gonna sign that is willing to sit and barely play and not make a fuss about it. Plus a veteran even at the minimum is more than a rookie.
As I have said before I am all for dumping Cat if someone will take his contract. But if we have a choice to pay Cat to release him and have a young guy on the bench or pay Cat to sit the bench I would just as rather keep Cat.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cat isn't exactly useless as a pinch-hit lefty off the bench.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 7, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A bench lefty who can't run or play defense is pretty much useless.
We need right handed pinch hitters over left handed anyway.. how many players do we have who are especially bad agaisnt righties?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 7, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrific... let's free up a roster spot for...
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 7, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno... maybe a lefty AAAA 3b off the waiver wire/scrap heap to platoon with Metcalf or Duran at 3b?
Or maybe an extra arm out of the bullpen?
There are always ways to use an extra roster spot.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming that your rotation is this:
Millwood
Padilla
McCarthy
Harrison
Hurley
…That leaves the rest of these pitchers to operate out of the bullpen.
Feldman
Hunter
Rupe
Nippert
Gabbard
Rheinecker
Mendoza
Francisco
Benoit
Madrigal
Wilson
(Diamond?)
(Eyre?)
(Murray?)
…Lot of crap there.
If you want a quality bullpen arm, I assume you’ll just swap a 40-man spot in a trade.
Picking up another lefty bat makes no sense. Might as well just keep Cat.
If it’s a righty bench bat you’re looking for, why not Duran?
Isn’t this the same argument with the catchers?
I don’t think Cat should be moved just for the sake of being moved. He doesn’t really have a place on this team, save as a pinch-hitter off the bench… which he actually does quite well.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 7, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Picking up a lefty bat does make some sense if it's someone who can play some 3b as part of a platoon with Metcalf or Duran at 3b.
As a rule a team needs at least 3 position players on the bench: An OF, an IF, and a C.
Most teams roll with a 4th guy, either a 5th OF, a 6th IF, a “professional hitter”, or a super-utility guy capable of playing most everywhere.
However, a small percentage of teams eschew the 4th backup position player and roll with a 8 man bullpen.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just an idle thought
Ya know, I don’t think Randy Galloway simply works for the ST anymore. I think Randy Galloway (or his rotten attitude, anyway) has become the ST.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 9:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They have the Reds top 20 over at Minor League Ball
Even if we couldn’t get Bailey for Laird, They have a much better farm than Detroit.
I think we should be looking at Soto and Francisco plus a High ceiling reliever or starter.
by CRUSHDAVIS on Dec 7, 2008 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
4) Neftali Soto, 3B, Grade B: Very impressed with his long-term potential. Could use more patience, but strikeout rate isn’t bad and he’s very young.
6) Josh Roenicke, RHP, Grade B-: Very impressive arm, could be a closer perhaps.
10) Juan Francisco, 3B, Grade C+: Enormous power potential, very young, but dismal discipline. Did reduce strikeouts last year.
19) Carlos Fisher, RHP, Grade C: Considered C+, another potential relief arm with ability.
by CRUSHDAVIS on Dec 7, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds
If I was the Reds GM, I’d be more interested in Salty. Their offense sucks and they still haven’t replaced their best hitter (Dunn).
by Randy Richardson on Dec 7, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soto
I kinda doubt they would give Soto straight up for Laird. I would be almost as interested in getting back a 3B prospect as I would a SP prospect. A trade that I’d love to see is a catcher for Matt Dominguez from Florida, that couldn’t get done as Florida will be looking to cut salary but thats something I’d like to see them get done. Francisco alone might not be too bad of value for Laird IMO.
by groundingout on Dec 7, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather get a good 3b prospect
than an okay starting pitcher who is interesting just because he’s a pitcher.
Laird, in particular, isn’t going to return a premium arm. So go for a 3b or something.
by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Encarnacion?
throw in maybe laird + someone else
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
by hinduplaya on Dec 7, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has hands of stone
No thank you.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 7, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe we could flip him
Like maybe to SF as part of a deal for Jonathan Sanchez.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez would be nice but I don't see him being traded.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
surely you jest
all of that for laird…? Please…
by Goyogringo on Dec 7, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no just some 3b and relief prospects
by CRUSHDAVIS on Dec 7, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if someone was really willing to give three players like that for Laird
He’d be gone already. I think his lousy second half (and probably the fact that the league knows we want to move him) has brought his value back down again.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those were just the potential trade targets to look at
considering what we need and Lairds value
by CRUSHDAVIS on Dec 7, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, got it
The way you worded originally it, it sounded like you meant all three together. Sorry.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Reds have lots of options
I agree, if they are of a mind that they would like to get Laird, they should be a system with which you can find a match somewhere.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that the Reds need a catcher with the beastly beast Ryan Hannigan on their roster... but what about Edwin Encarnacion?
He was apparently putrid defensively the last few year. He’s got the tools to be good there, but he might never put it together defensively. However, he’s very underrated offensively.
Since we have a hole at 3b… Anyone potentially interested?
For the record I don’t know if I would be or not. I’d be interested to see what our scouts say about that defense, first.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
“Signing Hairston would go a long way toward filling the center field/leadoff void.”
Really Cincinnati, really?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 10:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Well, Hairston did hit .326/.384/.487 in 261 AB this year. That was probably a fluke, but I can see why the Reds would want to bring him back in some capicity (though not a starting one).
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Back on that HGH
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 7, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston was on fire last year
Don’t forget those 15 SB either!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
has there always been the "related stories" and fanposts on the right hand side of the page?
never noticed if so.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 7, 2008 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Same Here...
I was thinking the exact same thing this morning. Either it’s new, or you and I are not very observant people
by Topgun22 on Dec 7, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the "related stories" used to be below the fanposts
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has to do with
the tags I believe. No tags, no related stories.
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Evan Grant
says the Nats have joined the Reds and Tigers in the Laird sweepstakes. . .
by Randy Richardson on Dec 7, 2008 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’d love to get into that Nats farm system… too bad Laird wouldn’t take us very far.
Also… congrats to Ian Kinsler.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats farm system...
…sucks…
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Guess it’s been awhile since I looked…
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has sucked for a while
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks but
Since we’re talking about Laird, there are most certainly guys I’d happily take for him. As Andy mentions there are some 2007 picks who have disappointed so far but would be very interesting prospects to add. I’d be all over, say, Josh Smoker who was a mess last spring. And there are interesting guys less high profile than that as well.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to try to get Smoker
But what are the chances of that?
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 7, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not good
but like I said, they have a fair amount of guys who aren’t elite prospects but who you would probably have some interest in when you’re talking Laird.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn't be that lucky
with Smoker and Smoak in the same system.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 7, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
everybody would go astray trying to tell them apart
by Telegraph on Dec 7, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does...
Jim Reeves get away with writing the same article over, and over, and over, and over?
Reevo – okay, we get it. You don’t like JD.
by stltxfan on Dec 7, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cause it sells.
Never underestimate the buying power of idiots.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well tell Ron he can't keep him
Not even as a pet.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
“Up in Toronto, Bob Elliott says the Tigers are after Laird, and says the Reds want a catcher and are willing to part with Homer Bailey.”
Yayyyyy!
“Jim Reeves says that Jon Daniels shouldn’t be allowed to make any trades this month, after dealing Chris Young, John Danks, and Edinson Volquez the past three Decembers.”
I might agree with that…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
that if JD once again traded the brightest pitching prospect in the farm system (Feliz or Holland), people around here would have huge fits, no matter the return. It’d be kind of amusing actually.
by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea because we rate
Volquez the same level as Feliz and Holland right now?
When Feliz or Holland make the majors. If they stink it up to where they have to be sent to single A to start over. I’m sure you’re not going to have to many happy people on here.
I think people are going to be very disappointed with Volquez this upcoming year.
1st half ERA – 2.29
2nd half ERA – 4.60
by Coolbean04 on Dec 7, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IP
So the Rangers are open to trading one of their starting pitchers. So if Millwood or Padilla are traded, who would pick up the slack. Here is a list of the top five Rangers from last season according to innings pitched:
Millwood – 168.7
Padilla – 171
Feldman – 151.3
Harrison – 83.7
Nippert – 71.7
Even with a new conditioning program, I don’t see anybody other than Feldman who could come close to matching the innings pitched of Millwood or Padilla. So who would make up for those innings?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 7, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not really a fair outline
Harrison was only pitching for half the season – a full season he could get up to 160 or so.
I agree that innings pitched is an important stat for this club, but if you don’t think you’re gong to compete in 2009, then paying $10 or $12 million+ to each of those guys for 170 innings and not much else isn’t a great investment.
by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Increasing IP
I have no idea how teams go through the process of creating a limit of IP for young pitchers, so any “prediction” by me is nothing more than a wild-ass guess. So I was trying to get some feedback by anybody with a better idea.
And if Millwood is as “in shape” as he is made out to be in the press, he could very well pitch 200+ innings (he did so in 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2006).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 7, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Milly
was made out to be “in shape” before last year too, wasn’t he?
I’m just being contrarian though. I do think that this team becomes far more competitive when it has 3 guys with 180+ innings pitched. Because all those 5 IP games means that your 7th guy in the bullpen is getting that much more mound time. which isn’t good for anyone.
by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to assume...
…that if Millwood or Padilla is dealt, the Rangers are bringing in (either in that dealt or another deal) a pitcher they anticipate could be a rotation member in 2009.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
they’re not going to just leave that many innings for the kids to fill.
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not though?
We should be really bad and just let the kids play.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't just tank the season
you want to have the team take a step in the right direction, maybe even contend. And if you just throw a bunch of rookies in the rotation you’ll burn out the bullpen again. If you’re trying to set a culture of starters lasting into games it’s nice to have a veteran or two to show how it’s done. Millwood and Padilla are both capable of doing that if they’re healthy.
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison pitched 84 innings in the minor leagues before pitching 83.2 innings for the Rangers. Even if he isn’t that effective next year, I still think you can reasonably expect he could eat 150+ innings.
Nippert pitched predominantly out of the bullpen for the Rangers and made 10 starts in the minors. Again, I don’t think you can say he only pitched 71.2 innings in the big leagues and therefore say that he would pitch about the same amount of innings in the majors in 2009. The amount of innings a player pitches is largely a factor of what role he has on the team and whether he is on the major or minor league role.
I’m not convinced that Nippert or Harrison would be effective (at all), but I don’t think the problem is conditioning or durability.
Also, I doubt the Rangers trade MIllwood, Padilla, or both without getting another established starter (or someone they feel can fill a rotation spot).
by Stephen Rushin on Dec 7, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting question that
Ive been discussing with my friends lately. Who has the better season next year: Hurley or Harrison? The answer we came up with was Harrison because we were all more assured that he would garner a rotation spot. However, when we qualified this question assuming both start the season in the rotation the answer was less definitive.
by Michael Cave on Dec 7, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your assesment of Harrison.
Harrison = Meh. I know a lot of people here are high on him, but I just don’t see it.
However, consistency isn’t his problem.
I have no problem penciling him in for a bunch of innings. My problem is penciling him in for anywhere close to league average innings. He needs to miss more bats. He just needs to.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that
I’d better check in on the site later tonight, just to see if something doesn’t happen.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 7:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
After that game...
I think we all need a trade right about now.
by LiamP on Dec 7, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I may or may not be right
but a pretty big baseball deal has gone down at least.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When I posted that
the Bailey/Dye deal was supposedly a done deal.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 8, 2008 2:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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