LSB Community Prospect Project: #20
by thedirkatron
on Dec 7, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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After 204 votes, Robbie Ross has won the right to be called the LSB Community #19 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
17. RHP, Wilmer Font
18. RHP, Omar Poveda
19. LHP, Robbie Ross
Time to move on to the vote for #20.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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Joe Wieland
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
Dec 7, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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Please no Tommy Hunter then
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 7, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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*internet high-five!*
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 7, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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Well, because Hunter's just not that good
It would seem likely his lack of a second pitch to garner swings and misses with will land him in the bullpen sooner or later, whereas Diamond’s lost development time and control issues will probably ticket him to the bullpen sooner or later as well. Realistically, I think both probably have a similar ceiling right now, just different routes to arriving at it – so if you’re not voting for Diamond, who actually has the better stuff then you probably shouldn’t be voting for Hunter.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 7, 2008 11:19 PM CST
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I think Hunter makes up for stuff with his control.
He has solid command of his fastball and pretty absurd command of his curve (when not facing Major League hitters anyway). His change up came a long way last season, too. He’s not ready, but I don’t think it’s a given that he’s any better or any worse than Diamond… and let’s not forget what a huge Diamond fan I am.
Curious though, why do you think that Diamond’s lost development time relegates him to the bullpen?
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on
Dec 7, 2008 11:49 PM CST
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Well, I think his age might make the Rangers fast-track him
If he does have a breakout season in Frisco I’d bet the Rangers will bring him up and probably at least start him in the bullpen, where he’ll probably dominate enough to stay there.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I don’t think Diamond could still start – I’m just not sure he’ll get a real chance, with McCarthy, Harrison, Hurley and possibly Holland (and yes, maybe even Hunter) in line for rotation shots next year. Of course, if we get decimated by injuries again on the major league level, that would probably give us plenty of time to look at all those guys…
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 8, 2008 12:05 AM CST
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Gonna go with Wieland, I think
Might as well after Ross made #19. I still think Diamond is primed for a breakout year, but I think Wieland can be better in the long run.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 7, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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Shed Golson
I have to stick with him, could be awhile….
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on
Dec 7, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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+1
went with golson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on
Dec 7, 2008 1:05 PM CST
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Man am I sad we went with that nickname.
Why not just call him “The Shed”. Shed Golson just sounds off to me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 7, 2008 2:13 PM CST
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I'm cool with
The Shed…I just wanted to leave Shed open to use for other players should they warrant.
As in Darth or King…
IF it is unique to one player only cool with me.
All Cougars are whiners….:)
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on
Dec 7, 2008 2:51 PM CST
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hah, ya, we aren't all tough and rugged like you inner-city surivors over at the Strick.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 7, 2008 5:54 PM CST
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Chester O.
was a hard hittin’ mf’er.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on
Dec 7, 2008 8:17 PM CST
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Not The Shed,
just Shed.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on
Dec 7, 2008 3:20 PM CST
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Gotta go with Hunter,
and I probably won’t be voting after this. Top 20 sounds good to me. Im happy with that. From 20 on doesn’t do much for me. Does anybody feel the same?
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Dec 7, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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the top 30 is pretty good
Ocampo is way underestimated. Tmurphy should proceed through the system pretty quickly. Wieland is impressive. Font, Ross, Strop, Madrigal, Golson are all impressive in their own ways. Castillo and Santana are still young high ceiling guys who we will find out a lot more about next year.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 10:05 AM CST
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Funny thought
the 30th best player from an average team is somewhere around the #900 player in the minors.
The question is where does our #30 (prediction: Beau Jones will be #30) rank in all of baseball?
by JBImaknee on
Dec 7, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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700 or so?
just a guess, interesting question though
by Michael Cave on
Dec 7, 2008 11:02 AM CST
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I think he would be top 15
in 20-25 systems. He threw a 2.80 FIP in Bak and had a .338 BABIP.
I think he has the stuff to be a nice setup lefty.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 7, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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He was just so-so in AA
and had a shitty winter ball
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 11:18 AM CST
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15 innings
is not any type of sample to be passing judgment on.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 7, 2008 11:27 AM CST
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I'm passing judgement on his passing judgement
no way he is top 15 in 90% of the systems. I do like him but let’s be realistic.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 11:29 AM CST
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No
Still left on the board (if Hunter where to win this, and he is leading) there’s still Wieland, Diamond, Tim Murphy, Kyle O’Campo, Carlos Pimentel… there’s plenty of debate left to go 30, I think.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 7, 2008 10:07 AM CST
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Lemon Head....
This might be a long wait…
by laxtonto on
Dec 7, 2008 10:03 AM CST
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Voted for him too, but now I’m feeling more Tommy Hunter.
It is going to be a long wait for the lil Lemon.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Dec 7, 2008 9:13 PM CST
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I'll be swtiching over to the Lil' guy soon.
I didn’t think it’d take this much time to get Thomas Nicklaus Diamond on the damn list.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 7, 2008 9:33 PM CST
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Diamond over Lemon
seems pretty off to me. Diamond is more ? than anything right now, he needs more success since TJ before he can be called back.
by bushe on
Dec 7, 2008 10:22 PM CST
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Wieland
Hunter is next for me. I’m thinking Telis should come on before too long, but not just yet. I’ll vote for Wieland, Hunter and Tim Murphy, then maybe Telis.
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by t ball on
Dec 7, 2008 10:43 AM CST
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Telis isn't sniffing my top 30
why is he for you? He has a long road, a 5-8 converted infielder who just completed his first year as a catcher in the DSL. I will wait until he makes his debut before I rank him. he is behind santana (I still think he will catch in 09), pina and de los santos in my book.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 11:11 AM CST
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Macumba
He should be on here already. Telis and Santana have been on for while now, though nobody’s really been voting for them.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on
Dec 7, 2008 11:26 AM CST
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+1 on that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on
Dec 7, 2008 1:06 PM CST
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36 games at catcher
8 errors, 12 PB, decent CS ratio for a greenhorn, 20-64 .313
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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It's looking like this might be the last time I have to vote for Hunter
I hope this trend keeps up.
by venturafearsnolan on
Dec 7, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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Diamond
This is the year he reestablishes himself as a legitimate prospect after his recovery from TJ surgery. I think he has the stuff to be a good bullpen guy if not a starter.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on
Dec 7, 2008 11:07 AM CST
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hes probably next for me
golson-diamond-hunter
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on
Dec 7, 2008 1:06 PM CST
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Diamond
again. sigh. If Tommy Hunter is who bumps Diamond out of the Top 20 , I’m going to be extremely disappointed.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on
Dec 7, 2008 12:21 PM CST
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hmm
i cant decide between murphy and wieland.
and you know its too early for lemon when dirkatron isnt even voting for him
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 7, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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and you know its too early for lemon when dirkatron isnt even voting for him
exactly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles
by knockoutking on
Dec 7, 2008 1:22 PM CST
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Hunter
Yet again. I base my vote on the fact that Hunter has done more in his 1+ year in the organization than Diamond has done in 4+.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 7, 2008 1:22 PM CST
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Exactly...
I may finally get to vote for someone new.
I’m higher on Hunter than most and have been voting for him since #14 just based off what he accomplished last year alone.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Dec 7, 2008 3:33 PM CST
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Hunter for me
Its going to be tough after this one. I’m thinking Wieland, Murphy, Madrigal, or Golson after this.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Dec 7, 2008 1:22 PM CST
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I thought about it some
and went Diamond, then Wieland next.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on
Dec 7, 2008 1:44 PM CST
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Hunter
Roll Tide…still
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on
Dec 7, 2008 3:18 PM CST
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Want to add Doug Mathis next time around?
by Adam J. Morris on
Dec 7, 2008 6:18 PM CST
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Sure.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 7, 2008 6:52 PM CST
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Open call for any other requests, btw.
Don’t suggest people just to suggest them, please. I’d rather not go the trouble of typing in twenty extra guys every time when no one is gonna vote for them.
But if there’s someone you feel legitimately needs to be on the list at this point, or if there’s someone you want to vote for next round or two, then just let me know.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 7, 2008 6:55 PM CST
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Not necessarily now, because he absolutely would not win several more votes, but just in terms of where we are with candidates, I would guess that Juan Polanco is deserving of addition.
by Brett Perryman on
Dec 7, 2008 6:59 PM CST
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I would also say Andrew Laughter can fit in there too if Beau Jones is on here. I don’t think Laughter should be up now, but within the next handful of spots.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 7, 2008 7:57 PM CST
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If Laughter is top 30 worthy
i will eat the sole of your shoe…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 8:09 PM CST
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Laughter
He’s even with Beau Jones as the best current relievers in the system.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 7, 2008 8:14 PM CST
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Close
But Garr’s shoulder issues are concerning along with his control. He’s got to put together a full healthy season again. He’s going to be 25 in February, so I give a distinct edge to Laughter and Jones.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 7, 2008 10:04 PM CST
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strop first, madrigal second
Garr, jones, young, mathis, ballard, hyatt, bleier, bannister, eppley, roark, brader, schlect, reed, hamburger, lueke, ortiz…
Laughter will be 24 and Garr, at 25, had very few ip in college so was about a year behind; he is right where he should be. Also, Garr pitched the last week of the season, which would seem to indicate his shoulder is fine.
I like laughter but he is far down on my list.
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 10:54 PM CST
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Starters/Relievers
Mathis, Ballard, Hyatt, Bleier, and Reed are all still considered starters to me at this point. Also, I think Strop’s injury has to be taken into account. As for the Garr injuries, I meant I’m concerned, because it happened twice during the season. Oh, and Madrigal isn’t a prospect in my book, because of the service time. Just my preference. He’d be #1 if he was still a prospect. With Laughter, I’m high on him, because if he cuts down on those few (very few) awful appearances, you’d see the line of an excellent reliever. He’s good as it is. That’s just my take.
by Andy Seiler on
Dec 7, 2008 11:18 PM CST
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yep different takes
in this system none of those guys project as major league starters IMO though Reed and Bleier will start next year they won’t end up as starters. Strop was signed because the injury was not serious (not a labrum or TJ) and the reports all have him back in June. However if it wasnt for the injury he would be about #15 on my prospect list rather than 25. He has closer stuff and Madrigal does not in my estimation…
by Goyogringo on
Dec 7, 2008 11:27 PM CST
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I must admit my man crush...
Despite all good reason I’ve voted for Diamond once again.
Rangeressary
"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton
by rangeressary on
Dec 7, 2008 7:01 PM CST
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http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/reds/2008/12/07/ddn120808spredsweb.html
by jparks77 on
Dec 7, 2008 7:43 PM CST
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Wieland
Hes my sleeper for this year. Is going to shoot up the prospect ranks this year. Hell, Nolan likes him, so something must be good bout him
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on
Dec 7, 2008 9:30 PM CST
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I am in love with the logic in that last sentence there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on
Dec 7, 2008 9:33 PM CST
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nolan likeability factor
ranks right up there with good face in how i rank prospects.
if a guy has both, he’s a surefire mlb stud
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Dec 8, 2008 4:51 AM CST
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+1
WWND
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on
Dec 9, 2008 1:06 AM CST
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Already voted Wieland.
But I think I should’ve gone with Hunter. He did make it to the majors in less than 1 year
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
by chrisR on
Dec 8, 2008 12:28 AM CST
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